So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they? Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
Those aren't opinions Obraik, they're facts, there's simply no way to spin it to any other outcome, SOE have always (and likely will always) screw their subscribers by means of deception.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
The TCG wasn't suddenly added to SWG. The announcement for it was around 2 months before it was released. If there was no announcement about the RMT system for EQ2 then yes, that would be wrong.
"For beginners getting started, veterans leveling up, players starting alts, or anyone trying to get more out of the game, using SC to purchase in-game items is for everyone. The items available offer new and experienced players alike convenience, customization and fun while providing a unique gameplay experience. Convenience items include potions of various types, from health to experience boosts. Several appearance packs in various armor types make up the customization category. Then for fun, we offer a selection of pets for your house or as travel companions."
Honestly no i dont think they will becuase i cant see it staying open long when the bioware MMO comes along,so it'd probably cost them more than they would ever get back tbh.
Though i do note that Bioware are thinking along similar lines for one too..the new (and wrong) way forward perhaps?
So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
The TCG wasn't suddenly added to SWG. The announcement for it was around 2 months before it was released. If there was no announcement about the RMT system for EQ2 then yes, that would be wrong.
We EQ2 players knew nothing about this till it went live..not a word was said about it..period.
So sony have actaully gone and taken the idea of having an item mall from all these FREE to PLAY and FREE to DOWNLOAD online game versions that use this to keep there servers running (if you wanted to use it that is) with the big differance in that SoE have you also PURCHASE their games from a retail outlet and PAY a monthly subscription as well, now they want you to BUY performance enhancing features to play (if you dont you will be severly underpowered) and find that at higher levels you wont be able to do much. yep, another SoE money grabbing move as usuall.
So sony have actaully gone and taken the idea of having an item mall from all these FREE to PLAY and FREE to DOWNLOAD online game versions that use this to keep there servers running (if you wanted to use it that is) with the big differance in that SoE have you also PURCHASE their games from a retail outlet and PAY a monthly subscription as well, now they want you to BUY performance enhancing features to play (if you dont you will be severly underpowered) and find that at higher levels you wont be able to do much. yep, another SoE money grabbing move as usuall.
You have to give them thumbs up though for the sheer cheek of it though buggers wont be getting another penny out of me though.
So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ??? To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/ orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
At least EA/Bioware didn't blatanly lie to its customers about it like Smedly did. I'd like to hear your defence of Smed regarding doing the complete opposite of what he said wasn't going to happen with EQ2.
"Originally Posted by Smed [View Post]
I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at jsmedley@soe.sony.com and I'll happily reply.
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment"
Why do I care about EQ2?
Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible.
Technically no, Smed doesn't run SWG. LucasArts are the ones that would make the final decision on that.
When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie...
You cannot possible be this thick?
I would elaborate on arguments but I suppose you have read them all before. If you decide to come in here and defend SOE's dodgy ways in detriment of playing your beloved NGE at least entertain us with some intelligent insights which we are clearly unaware of?
But not this nonsense - this is an all time low for the NGE fanbois. Smed must be proud.
So sony have actaully gone and taken the idea of having an item mall from all these FREE to PLAY and FREE to DOWNLOAD online game versions that use this to keep there servers running (if you wanted to use it that is) with the big differance in that SoE have you also PURCHASE their games from a retail outlet and PAY a monthly subscription as well, now they want you to BUY performance enhancing features to play (if you dont you will be severly underpowered) and find that at higher levels you wont be able to do much. yep, another SoE money grabbing move as usuall.
GIve it a few years and this will be the norm in most mmo's. Why should developers loose out on the action. They are just cutting out the middle man (Gold farmers) or trying to. There are a few companies already doing this. Funny enough log into anyone of those games and you will see plenty of people using the shops on top of the monthly fees they pay.
Not defending what they are doing. I am against it 100%. I left my favorite mmo when they put in a shop on top of the mothly fee. These guys might design games because it is fun. In the end they are in it to make as much money as they can.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out.
Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheap meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all.
So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out. Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheep meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all. So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
Companies exploiting players (especially minors in the case of SWG's TCG) is a big deal, as you are about to find out.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out. Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheep meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all. So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
Companies exploiting players (especially minors in the case of SWG's TCG) is a big deal, as you are about to find out.
S
There is a reason why even LEGAL state lotteries exclude those under 18...
MU HA HA HA!
I can't wait for Smed to get smacked down on his gambling RMT scheme.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out. Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheep meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all. So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out. Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheep meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all. So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
No, I do not miss the point at all. Since this exact topic is going on in another forum I will clip a response from there. I think it will make my thoughts clear about this and why it is happening. Like it of not it is the future most likely with mmos. I said keep Smed. and SOE and the disputes about them, lies etc out of the mix. I was talking specifically about them trying an item mall. Not about their past failures and misrepresentations. So all that is not relevant to my response. I get it quite clearly.
Why is that exactly wasting their cash, If they are getting entertainment from it? I hear the following response a lot " Why buy a digital item for real money when it is not even real". Well then why even play the game isn't that the exact same thing? The game is not real either but you are paying a monthy fee to play. Neither are movies or tv shows but you buy a ticket or pay a cable fee. So why is someone buying a cool looking outfit or a potion to speed up there experience a waste of money? Why is paying for one type of virtual experience anymore valid then another? After all, none of it is anything more then images on a screen.
Welcome to a new type purchasing structure for the virtual experience in the 21st century. I actually find it kind of interesting. I think this is less about SOE greed (as some think) and more of them getting their feet wet in the future of online gaming and different payment methods. Just like going to consoles with their mmos The Agency and DC Universe.
They choose EQ and EQ2 because they are stable established games with a pretty loyal player base. This will keep the damage, of pissed players leaving, to a minimum and give them a chance to see if it works. At the same time generating new revinues for games that might not be drawing a lot of new players. I have a feeling more mmos will go this way in the near future. For awhile you will see games like EQ/EQ2 that will have both a monthly fee and a item mall. Eventually the player will move towards the item mall idea and we will see less monthly fees for mmos and more alternative payment methods, like item malls or buying time. I think American mmo players will have a harder time adjusting to this but I think SOE sees this as the future of mmos. They might actually be right about this one.
It's already there in the form of gambling for loot cards. Outright sale of items is actually a more honest way to do this than the TCG. Anyone else get the impression that SOE is absolutely DESPERATE for cash of any kind?
They've always been desperate for cash. For years they were. How else do you think they were willing to ignore the possibility of losing a loyal fanbase at SWG in pursuit of some audience that would storm in with the advent of the NGE?
Also, Smed made mention a while back how much he adored F2P and everything that entails with it. Everyone (including myself), ignored it at the time, but in light of recent events it shouldn't have surprised us all.
The way companies see it, a longtime player's money doesn't mean s**t to them. Your money is still the same as some unaware nooblet just starting the game.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out. Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheep meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all. So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
No, I do not miss the point at all. Since this exact topic is going on in another forum I will clip a response from there. I think it will make my thoughts clear about this and why it is happening. Like it of not it is the future most likely with mmos. I said keep Smed. and SOE and the disputes about them, lies etc out of the mix. I was talking specifically about them trying an item mall. Not about their past failures and misrepresentations. So all that is not relevant to my response. I get it quite clearly.
Why is that exactly wasting their cash, If they are getting entertainment from it? I hear the following response a lot " Why buy a digital item for real money when it is not even real". Well then why even play the game isn't that the exact same thing? The game is not real either but you are paying a monthy fee to play. Neither are movies or tv shows but you buy a ticket or pay a cable fee. So why is someone buying a cool looking outfit or a potion to speed up there experience a waste of money? Why is paying for one type of virtual experience anymore valid then another? After all, none of it is anything more then images on a screen.
Welcome to a new type purchasing structure for the virtual experience in the 21st century. I actually find it kind of interesting. I think this is less about SOE greed (as some think) and more of them getting their feet wet in the future of online gaming and different payment methods. Just like going to consoles with their mmos The Agency and DC Universe.
They choose EQ and EQ2 because they are stable established games with a pretty loyal player base. This will keep the damage, of pissed players leaving, to a minimum and give them a chance to see if it works. At the same time generating new revinues for games that might not be drawing a lot of new players. I have a feeling more mmos will go this way in the near future. For awhile you will see games like EQ/EQ2 that will have both a monthly fee and a item mall. Eventually the player will move towards the item mall idea and we will see less monthly fees for mmos and more alternative payment methods, like item malls or buying time. I think American mmo players will have a harder time adjusting to this but I think SOE sees this as the future of mmos. They might actually be right about this one.
You're still missing the point of all this concern.
Level Playing Field
That is not what Microtransaction games do.
Those MT cash shops won't just sell costumes and cute little potions. They will sell considerable buffs / enhancements / etc. They will eventually sell high end gear.
Just cough up some cash.
The "Level Playing Field" is long gone with F2P games.
Also, you are not going to get far in a F2P game unless you fork some considerable money. Those XP requirements get very high as you progress, and the XPs you collect will be small. BUT WAIT! The company sells buffs for 50% extra XPs! Not to mention you'll be left in the dust in terms of equipment quality, possibly even character abilities and stats unless you fork over money at the Cash Shops.
God help you if you want to PvP.
So, it still stands.
"Free To Play, Pay To Win"
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I have a lot of time for Eccotron what he says usually makes a lot of sense..but matey on this matter your miles wide of the mark this will change the game we've played beyond all recognition,it may take a year or two,but oh yes it wil come
If this is the way forward for MMO (and it maywell be) fine..stop letting us pay suscritpions right now and go F2P you know what id play it happily then i use my sub money to buy stuff from the cash shop,but the way they forced this on us so damn sneakily and still expect us to pay has left more than a nasty taste in the mouth..sadly though its typical of SOE and the bulletproof buffoon that heads up that corp.
You're still missing the point of all this concern. Level Playing Field That is not what Microtransaction games do. Those MT cash shops won't just sell costumes and cute little potions. They will sell considerable buffs / enhancements / etc. They will eventually sell high end gear. Just cough up some cash. The "Level Playing Field" is long gone with F2P games. Also, you are not going to get far in a F2P game unless you fork some considerable money. Those XP requirements get very high as you progress, and the XPs you collect will be small. BUT WAIT! The company sells buffs for 50% extra XPs! Not to mention you'll be left in the dust in terms of equipment quality, possibly even character abilities and stats unless you fork over money at the Cash Shops. God help you if you want to PvP. So, it still stands. "Free To Play, Pay To Win"
I am not talking in hypothetical’s, I am talking about what SOE is doing now in EQ2 not what they might do with it. There is a limit that would even be too much for me. What I do then is stop playing and take my money elsewhere. This is entertainment for me not real life. I am not a pvp player and EQ2 is not a PvP game. I think the market place will speak and a game that is pvp-cetric and has a mall that actually lets you buy better powered stuff will most likely fail especially in the american market.
I am not the type of player that cares if someone has better armor then me, a better house or high level character. This makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I do not view mmos as competitions. All that matters to me is that I am having fun in exchange for my dollars spent. I learned a long time ago that mmos are what you make them and to remember they are entertainment. I try not to invest too much emotion into them. Mmos are a unique type of game that does this to a lot of players because of the social aspects to the experience.
This is a consumer driven business and more developers are trying new pay ideas, get use to it. Some will work some will fail. However it is simple, just don't play the games that have things in them that you do not like. If a company makes a crap decision and changes the game experience beyond what you will accept, just leave. Sure it is not easy, I was a SWG player left all that work after about 2 hours of the NGE but I still left. Mmos are heading for a change players will need to adapt and speak with their wallets. We will see many of the top big budget mmos go to console and we will see more type of way to pay for the experience. The way you buy stuff on xbox live and the ps3 (I have both) is much like an item mall. You pay for what you want many people will like this. I am not saying one is better then the other. I am saying, I see it as the future and I am interested in this to see how it pans out.
So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ??? To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/ orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's.
More amusing actually Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams.
Except that it will all likely work much better...
Um, no. If that were the case then any of the other MMO's released over the last few years would have interested me. I play SWG not only for the combat side but due to the unrestricted maps, unrestricted choices of playstyle (although not as unrestricted as it once was), crafting, space, the ability to NOT be the hero, plus alot more.
So no, I guess I'm not a NGE player and just a SWG player
I feel the same way as Obraik the game has evoled slowly away from the NGE changing back to its roots it can't go back 100% but the game is fun again.
Would I purchase new content for SWG answer is yes I would do I buy the cards no I don't I won't gamble.
So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ??? To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/ orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's.
More amusing actually Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams.
Except that it will all likely work much better...
Um, no. If that were the case then any of the other MMO's released over the last few years would have interested me. I play SWG not only for the combat side but due to the unrestricted maps, unrestricted choices of playstyle (although not as unrestricted as it once was), crafting, space, the ability to NOT be the hero, plus alot more.
So no, I guess I'm not a NGE player and just a SWG player
I feel the same way as Obraik the game has evoled slowly away from the NGE changing back to its roots it can't go back 100% but the game is fun again.
Would I purchase new content for SWG answer is yes I would do I buy the cards no I don't I won't gamble.
yep. its simply NOT the NGE anymore. They snuck in a new system over the course of last year during the game updates.
Pre-Cu (pre combat upgrade)
CU (combat upgrade - aka CURB - what was that? combat upgrade / re balance)
NGE (New Game Experience?)
GU (Game Update)
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yep. its simply NOT the NGE anymore. They snuck in a new system over the course of last year during the game updates. Pre-Cu (pre combat upgrade) CU (combat upgrade - aka CURB - what was that? combat upgrade / re balance) NGE (New Game Experience?) GU (Game Update)
It's still by far closer resembling the NGE then pre-CU IMO.
But then again I've always said that even pre-CU wasn't enough, and I wanted to see pre-CU evolve further then it was.
yep. its simply NOT the NGE anymore. They snuck in a new system over the course of last year during the game updates. Pre-Cu (pre combat upgrade) CU (combat upgrade - aka CURB - what was that? combat upgrade / re balance) NGE (New Game Experience?) GU (Game Update)
It's still by far closer resembling the NGE then pre-CU IMO.
But then again I've always said that even pre-CU wasn't enough, and I wanted to see pre-CU evolve further then it was.
I enjoyed the pre-CU but it was still a little 'green'. . . and CU really wasnt much different.
Over the last year, I think the GU has become more like the CU than NGE.
One thing I could do away with in this version is the number of bloody heals in the game OR have each prof other than medic have to spend points in expertise to get the ability to use stimpacks.
I hate free magic heals.
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Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
Those aren't opinions Obraik, they're facts, there's simply no way to spin it to any other outcome, SOE have always (and likely will always) screw their subscribers by means of deception.
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Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
The TCG wasn't suddenly added to SWG. The announcement for it was around 2 months before it was released. If there was no announcement about the RMT system for EQ2 then yes, that would be wrong.
Honestly no i dont think they will becuase i cant see it staying open long when the bioware MMO comes along,so it'd probably cost them more than they would ever get back tbh.
Though i do note that Bioware are thinking along similar lines for one too..the new (and wrong) way forward perhaps?
Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right?
I can't think of anything in the past years since the NGE for SWG...
Yeah that was only a minor incident, LONG in the past wasn't it? Surely no one remembers THAT do they?
Sure, other than the CU, the NGE, expansions released incomplete and gated, expansions released 2 days before announcing the deletion of half of it, RMT promised to be relegated only to two servers then suddenly appearing on ALL of them with no notice one day, AND that gambling for loot card game that might be illegal in all 50 US states, SOE has really been an ethical, trustworthy company hasn't it?
Please don't put words in my mouth. The discussion was about announcements, not SOE's history of everything ever and your opinion on it...
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you if what they have done with this sudden forcing of RMT into SWG via the TCG scheme and into EQ/EQ2 overnight with no announcement is right or wrong?
The TCG wasn't suddenly added to SWG. The announcement for it was around 2 months before it was released. If there was no announcement about the RMT system for EQ2 then yes, that would be wrong.
We EQ2 players knew nothing about this till it went live..not a word was said about it..period.
So sony have actaully gone and taken the idea of having an item mall from all these FREE to PLAY and FREE to DOWNLOAD online game versions that use this to keep there servers running (if you wanted to use it that is) with the big differance in that SoE have you also PURCHASE their games from a retail outlet and PAY a monthly subscription as well, now they want you to BUY performance enhancing features to play (if you dont you will be severly underpowered) and find that at higher levels you wont be able to do much. yep, another SoE money grabbing move as usuall.
You have to give them thumbs up though for the sheer cheek of it though buggers wont be getting another penny out of me though.
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
At least EA/Bioware didn't blatanly lie to its customers about it like Smedly did. I'd like to hear your defence of Smed regarding doing the complete opposite of what he said wasn't going to happen with EQ2.
"Originally Posted by Smed [View Post]
I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at jsmedley@soe.sony.com and I'll happily reply.
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment"
Why do I care about EQ2?
Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible.
Technically no, Smed doesn't run SWG. LucasArts are the ones that would make the final decision on that.
When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie...
You cannot possible be this thick?
I would elaborate on arguments but I suppose you have read them all before. If you decide to come in here and defend SOE's dodgy ways in detriment of playing your beloved NGE at least entertain us with some intelligent insights which we are clearly unaware of?
But not this nonsense - this is an all time low for the NGE fanbois. Smed must be proud.
GIve it a few years and this will be the norm in most mmo's. Why should developers loose out on the action. They are just cutting out the middle man (Gold farmers) or trying to. There are a few companies already doing this. Funny enough log into anyone of those games and you will see plenty of people using the shops on top of the monthly fees they pay.
Not defending what they are doing. I am against it 100%. I left my favorite mmo when they put in a shop on top of the mothly fee. These guys might design games because it is fun. In the end they are in it to make as much money as they can.
I am not sure why so many are so angry and against this idea. Lets take Smed. out of the mix and all the SOE greedy talk out.
Now I paid 49.99 for the game 15 bucks a month and lets say I spend 10 dollars a month in the item mall. All those added together comes to me spending $6.50 a week. I play EQ2 about 2.5 hours a day during the week and maybe 4 hours on sat. and sun that is 20.5 hours of entertainment a week. That is less then the cost of going to the movies once a week that is 2 hours of entertainment. That is less then it cost to get even a cheap meal once a week. You can not buy 2 beers out at a bar for that. As for me, 6.50 a week for the fun I am having in the SOE game EQ2 seems like a fantastic bargain. I have many problems with SOE (I am a pissed SWG vet) but the idea of an item mall with cosmetic items, and the marketplace items in EQ2 are cosmetic at least so far, does not bother me at all.
So you take all the hate for Smed. and SOE out, and look at it for what it represents in terms of entertainment value, it really is not the awful spawn from hell some of you are making it out to be. As long as it is cosmetic or exp boosts who cares EQ2 is a pve game. If you do not like it don't buy from it. Smed. is far from the devil, evidence only shows, he just does not get it. Most of the players actually playing EQ2 don't really care that much. I know this since it has been a topic in chat for about an hour after that no one has said anything about it. Most players don't actually care. This is not as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.
Companies exploiting players (especially minors in the case of SWG's TCG) is a big deal, as you are about to find out.
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Companies exploiting players (especially minors in the case of SWG's TCG) is a big deal, as you are about to find out.
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There is a reason why even LEGAL state lotteries exclude those under 18...
MU HA HA HA!
I can't wait for Smed to get smacked down on his gambling RMT scheme.
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
No, I do not miss the point at all. Since this exact topic is going on in another forum I will clip a response from there. I think it will make my thoughts clear about this and why it is happening. Like it of not it is the future most likely with mmos. I said keep Smed. and SOE and the disputes about them, lies etc out of the mix. I was talking specifically about them trying an item mall. Not about their past failures and misrepresentations. So all that is not relevant to my response. I get it quite clearly.
Why is that exactly wasting their cash, If they are getting entertainment from it? I hear the following response a lot " Why buy a digital item for real money when it is not even real". Well then why even play the game isn't that the exact same thing? The game is not real either but you are paying a monthy fee to play. Neither are movies or tv shows but you buy a ticket or pay a cable fee. So why is someone buying a cool looking outfit or a potion to speed up there experience a waste of money? Why is paying for one type of virtual experience anymore valid then another? After all, none of it is anything more then images on a screen.
Welcome to a new type purchasing structure for the virtual experience in the 21st century. I actually find it kind of interesting. I think this is less about SOE greed (as some think) and more of them getting their feet wet in the future of online gaming and different payment methods. Just like going to consoles with their mmos The Agency and DC Universe.
They choose EQ and EQ2 because they are stable established games with a pretty loyal player base. This will keep the damage, of pissed players leaving, to a minimum and give them a chance to see if it works. At the same time generating new revinues for games that might not be drawing a lot of new players. I have a feeling more mmos will go this way in the near future. For awhile you will see games like EQ/EQ2 that will have both a monthly fee and a item mall. Eventually the player will move towards the item mall idea and we will see less monthly fees for mmos and more alternative payment methods, like item malls or buying time. I think American mmo players will have a harder time adjusting to this but I think SOE sees this as the future of mmos. They might actually be right about this one.
They've always been desperate for cash. For years they were. How else do you think they were willing to ignore the possibility of losing a loyal fanbase at SWG in pursuit of some audience that would storm in with the advent of the NGE?
Also, Smed made mention a while back how much he adored F2P and everything that entails with it. Everyone (including myself), ignored it at the time, but in light of recent events it shouldn't have surprised us all.
The way companies see it, a longtime player's money doesn't mean s**t to them. Your money is still the same as some unaware nooblet just starting the game.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
You're missing the point. Its not about how much money they will charge for stuff. The problems are 1: they didn't tell their customers it was going to happen 2: they explicitly said this was not going to happen and 3: its more than likely only the first step, meaning they will add more and more stuff you will have to pay for until it becomes necessary to use the RTM to advance your character. People who are already paying customers shouldn't have to pay even more for their game. It goes towards a pattern of behaviour from soe over the years that shows how badly they have treated their players and how they've enaged in some serious shady business practices and out and out lied to their customers numerous times.
Oh, and just because people aren't openly talking about in your chat channels, don't assume they don't care.
No, I do not miss the point at all. Since this exact topic is going on in another forum I will clip a response from there. I think it will make my thoughts clear about this and why it is happening. Like it of not it is the future most likely with mmos. I said keep Smed. and SOE and the disputes about them, lies etc out of the mix. I was talking specifically about them trying an item mall. Not about their past failures and misrepresentations. So all that is not relevant to my response. I get it quite clearly.
Why is that exactly wasting their cash, If they are getting entertainment from it? I hear the following response a lot " Why buy a digital item for real money when it is not even real". Well then why even play the game isn't that the exact same thing? The game is not real either but you are paying a monthy fee to play. Neither are movies or tv shows but you buy a ticket or pay a cable fee. So why is someone buying a cool looking outfit or a potion to speed up there experience a waste of money? Why is paying for one type of virtual experience anymore valid then another? After all, none of it is anything more then images on a screen.
Welcome to a new type purchasing structure for the virtual experience in the 21st century. I actually find it kind of interesting. I think this is less about SOE greed (as some think) and more of them getting their feet wet in the future of online gaming and different payment methods. Just like going to consoles with their mmos The Agency and DC Universe.
They choose EQ and EQ2 because they are stable established games with a pretty loyal player base. This will keep the damage, of pissed players leaving, to a minimum and give them a chance to see if it works. At the same time generating new revinues for games that might not be drawing a lot of new players. I have a feeling more mmos will go this way in the near future. For awhile you will see games like EQ/EQ2 that will have both a monthly fee and a item mall. Eventually the player will move towards the item mall idea and we will see less monthly fees for mmos and more alternative payment methods, like item malls or buying time. I think American mmo players will have a harder time adjusting to this but I think SOE sees this as the future of mmos. They might actually be right about this one.
You're still missing the point of all this concern.
Level Playing Field
That is not what Microtransaction games do.
Those MT cash shops won't just sell costumes and cute little potions. They will sell considerable buffs / enhancements / etc. They will eventually sell high end gear.
Just cough up some cash.
The "Level Playing Field" is long gone with F2P games.
Also, you are not going to get far in a F2P game unless you fork some considerable money. Those XP requirements get very high as you progress, and the XPs you collect will be small. BUT WAIT! The company sells buffs for 50% extra XPs! Not to mention you'll be left in the dust in terms of equipment quality, possibly even character abilities and stats unless you fork over money at the Cash Shops.
God help you if you want to PvP.
So, it still stands.
"Free To Play, Pay To Win"
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I have a lot of time for Eccotron what he says usually makes a lot of sense..but matey on this matter your miles wide of the mark this will change the game we've played beyond all recognition,it may take a year or two,but oh yes it wil come
If this is the way forward for MMO (and it maywell be) fine..stop letting us pay suscritpions right now and go F2P you know what id play it happily then i use my sub money to buy stuff from the cash shop,but the way they forced this on us so damn sneakily and still expect us to pay has left more than a nasty taste in the mouth..sadly though its typical of SOE and the bulletproof buffoon that heads up that corp.
I am not talking in hypothetical’s, I am talking about what SOE is doing now in EQ2 not what they might do with it. There is a limit that would even be too much for me. What I do then is stop playing and take my money elsewhere. This is entertainment for me not real life. I am not a pvp player and EQ2 is not a PvP game. I think the market place will speak and a game that is pvp-cetric and has a mall that actually lets you buy better powered stuff will most likely fail especially in the american market.
I am not the type of player that cares if someone has better armor then me, a better house or high level character. This makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I do not view mmos as competitions. All that matters to me is that I am having fun in exchange for my dollars spent. I learned a long time ago that mmos are what you make them and to remember they are entertainment. I try not to invest too much emotion into them. Mmos are a unique type of game that does this to a lot of players because of the social aspects to the experience.
This is a consumer driven business and more developers are trying new pay ideas, get use to it. Some will work some will fail. However it is simple, just don't play the games that have things in them that you do not like. If a company makes a crap decision and changes the game experience beyond what you will accept, just leave. Sure it is not easy, I was a SWG player left all that work after about 2 hours of the NGE but I still left. Mmos are heading for a change players will need to adapt and speak with their wallets. We will see many of the top big budget mmos go to console and we will see more type of way to pay for the experience. The way you buy stuff on xbox live and the ps3 (I have both) is much like an item mall. You pay for what you want many people will like this. I am not saying one is better then the other. I am saying, I see it as the future and I am interested in this to see how it pans out.
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's.
More amusing actually
Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams.
Except that it will all likely work much better...
Um, no. If that were the case then any of the other MMO's released over the last few years would have interested me. I play SWG not only for the combat side but due to the unrestricted maps, unrestricted choices of playstyle (although not as unrestricted as it once was), crafting, space, the ability to NOT be the hero, plus alot more.
So no, I guess I'm not a NGE player and just a SWG player
I feel the same way as Obraik the game has evoled slowly away from the NGE changing back to its roots it can't go back 100% but the game is fun again.
Would I purchase new content for SWG answer is yes I would do I buy the cards no I don't I won't gamble.
Ajax
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right?
Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's.
More amusing actually
Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams.
Except that it will all likely work much better...
Um, no. If that were the case then any of the other MMO's released over the last few years would have interested me. I play SWG not only for the combat side but due to the unrestricted maps, unrestricted choices of playstyle (although not as unrestricted as it once was), crafting, space, the ability to NOT be the hero, plus alot more.
So no, I guess I'm not a NGE player and just a SWG player
I feel the same way as Obraik the game has evoled slowly away from the NGE changing back to its roots it can't go back 100% but the game is fun again.
Would I purchase new content for SWG answer is yes I would do I buy the cards no I don't I won't gamble.
yep. its simply NOT the NGE anymore. They snuck in a new system over the course of last year during the game updates.
Pre-Cu (pre combat upgrade)
CU (combat upgrade - aka CURB - what was that? combat upgrade / re balance)
NGE (New Game Experience?)
GU (Game Update)
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It's still by far closer resembling the NGE then pre-CU IMO.
But then again I've always said that even pre-CU wasn't enough, and I wanted to see pre-CU evolve further then it was.
Lol now Eq2 Gets the NGE pulled on them. Classic!!!
Thank God I will never own, or even look at another SoE game again. I don't even buy Sony products anymore because of the F***tard Smedley.
It's still by far closer resembling the NGE then pre-CU IMO.
But then again I've always said that even pre-CU wasn't enough, and I wanted to see pre-CU evolve further then it was.
I enjoyed the pre-CU but it was still a little 'green'. . . and CU really wasnt much different.
Over the last year, I think the GU has become more like the CU than NGE.
One thing I could do away with in this version is the number of bloody heals in the game OR have each prof other than medic have to spend points in expertise to get the ability to use stimpacks.
I hate free magic heals.
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