Perhaps you should look for a new game. I very much doubt Blizzard will open any classic only server. Of course Blizzard wont open one. It has nothing to do with money, they would make a nice little profit from it. It has nothing to do with resources either. If Blizzard were to open a classic they would be tacitly admitting that Classic WoW is better than WotLK.
Especially when there will be people like you that not only want a classic server but want to exclude specific content from it. Then you'll have people that want classic but with BWL and without AQ. Or people who will want AQ including. It just doesn't work and it won't work for you either. Total and complete and utter rubbish. Do you actually have any evidence that would would disagree about which classic version to run? Nope. You are talking out of your arse. Firstly, who the hell would want a classic server WITHOUT NAXXRAMAS IN IT? And your argument is completely idotic because BWL is the same regardless of server version. By accounts BWL was pretty buggy when it came out in 1.6 by 1.8/1.9 its the same as it was in 1.12. If someone only wants to do BWL and not AQ20/40 and Naxx they can just stop at BWL. Simple solution. But a little advice, think your arguments through a little better before posting becuase seriously, that was one of the most ill-thought and idiotic non-trolling statements I've ever read ... or are you trolling? You want to re-live the experience of being a fresh player all over again. Even if they inroduced a classic server at exactly your specs, I very much doubt you'd get the same feeling of freshness again. You should probably look for another game. I already have started looking for another game. My WoW account is frozen at the moment. I might come back in a few months, I might not. But I will never play WoW in the way I did pre-BC because WotLK is a steaming pile of cow dung. Spare the nostalgia crap. I've heard that lame argument from a million other dribblers. I want to play Classic WoW because it is the mmorpg that suited my playing style the most. I suppose the reasons I prefer Star Wars episodes 4-6 more than the newer 1-3 is because of nostalgia too?
Perhaps you should look for a new game. I very much doubt Blizzard will open any classic only server. Of course Blizzard wont open one. It has nothing to do with money, they would make a nice little profit from it. It has nothing to do with resources either. If Blizzard were to open a classic they would be tacitly admitting that Classic WoW is better than WotLK.
If classic wow was better than any other version then people simply wouldn't play the expansion, quit or do something other than go to northrend. People don't need classic servers now, they can already do that by not purchasing the expansion.
Perhaps blizzard sees no need to open one, because there is no need. It isn't like DAOC where atlantis ruined the game and they lost massive subscriptions over how horrible the expansion was. The reality is that more people play now than during classic. Servers have log in ques, they are splitting overloaded populations to new servers, etc.
I doubt you could be any further from reality if you tried. Classic servers are nothing but a pander to former customers.
If classic wow was better than any other version then people simply wouldn't play the expansion, quit or do something other than go to northrend. People don't need classic servers now, they can already do that by not purchasing the expansion. Again, are you trolling or just plain stupid? Classic WoW was the best but BC was pretty good in itself. WotLK is a steaming pile of crap but I played BC from the day it come out until WotLK came. One of my best memories in WoW is downing Kael'thas in TK (months before 2.4) and heading over to CoT and getting to zone in Hyjal for my first time, downing Rage Winterchill and then heading over to take a look at BT. Karazhan was a great raid instance. Besides Vashj/Kael the rest of TK/SSC was ok, not great and Gruul and Mag were interesting in their own way. Professions were actually useful and not gimmicky. The introduction of dailies was a good thing. BC was far from perfect and the levelling process was fun the first time but by the time I was levelling my 5th character in Outlands I want to tear my eyes out. I still enjoyed the 1-58 levels in Azeroth the 5th time. While heroics were a good idea the design of the 13 Outland instances was terrible (CoT 5 mans and magister's terrace were good). The Auchidoun instances were just plain AWFUL.
Obviously the concept of preferring Classic WoW but still being able to enjoy BC is beyond you.
And I know you never raided pre-BC the talents, abilities and game mechanics have radically changed since pre-BC. AND DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU FOR THE 164TH TIME THAT 40 MAN NAXX IS NO LONGER IN THE GAME? Even with a non-expansion account lvl 60 content is just radically different in 3.08 than it was 1.12 Perhaps blizzard sees no need to open one, because there is no need. It isn't like DAOC where atlantis ruined the game and they lost massive subscriptions over how horrible the expansion was. The reality is that more people play now than during classic. Servers have log in ques, they are splitting overloaded populations to new servers, etc. Read the WoW forums lately? Every 2nd post is people asking for classic servers. Look at the amount of lvl 60 guilds forming - even with the knowledge that 40 man naxx is no longer available. Go ask someone from the guild Heralds of Yore on Smolderthorn how many new member they have got lately. I'll give you a hint: lots. And the people who played DAoC were a lot more discerning about the game they played. Blizzard could serve up any slop and the millions of plebs who can't do anything but chant the "Blizzard is the almighty and WoW is perfect" mantra will eat it up. A person who can play 6 different instruments, can read and write music and has a musical education is going to be more discerning than a 14 year old teeny bopper idiot. And thats who plays WoW these days. Teeny bopper idiots who wouldn't know quality if it bit them on the ass. I doubt you could be any further from reality if you tried. Classic servers are nothing but a pander to former customers. And the brain dead raid simple content in WotLK is to pander to the awful idiots who play the game now. The keyboard turning, clicking terribads who never put in any effort in and expect everything handed to them on a silver platter.
While Floppyface seems to know a lot of information about world of warcraft, he is pretty much exaggerating things aswell. Yes, people will always say that Vanilla WoW was the best. Thats because for many players, it was their first time playing the game. It was their first time meeting the different personalities of people on their server, it was their first time exploring the world of Azeroth, and it was their first time having a blast at a mmorpg.
People love the new content though. People love DKs. People love the new abilities and expanded talent trees. People love rolling alts. People love the game still and cant wait for more content. Floppy is bitter. That is okay, many people get bitter at one point or another at something, then eventually will remember the good times over the bad.
Oh and Floppy, just so you know, I also read that article on wowinsider.com about Heralds of Yore on Smolderthorn, the players that only level to 60 and raid classic places like AQ40 and BWL. Yea, okay. The GM of the guild says in the interview that they dont even have enough players to fill the 40 man roster.
Also, there are hardly ANY post about classic servers. Sure you get the rare one ever now and then, but they are extremely scarce.
Thats why I specified patch 1.12.1 as the version I'd like to play on. This was the last major patch released before BC. Vanilla WoW went through many changes and improvements From Nov 2004 to Jan 2007. www.wowwiki.com/Patches If you've got 10-15 mins spare its interesting looking through the patch history of WoW. I started playing just after 1.5 came out. If Blizzard was to open a classic server running 1.5 I would say "thanks, but no thanks." Compare 1.5 to 1.12.1. No BWL, ZG, no AB, no AQ20/40, no talent reviews for any class, no world bosses, no Naxx, mount changes and many game improvements like continous flight paths etc. But there was a lot of content I didn't see like AQ40 and Naxx. And I've always been interested what it would be like to start WoW over again knowing what I know now.
I agree there was a lot of content added after 1.5, but what you're not realizing is all the content you are talking about is high end content (for that time). All of the lower end content was added prior to then and there was still BRD, Dire Maul, Scholomance, Stratholme, Molten Core, Onyxia, Azuregos and Lord Kazzak for high end before 1.5. If you were to remove all of the content that came before 1.5, how would you get to 60 in the first place? That's a ton of content to get you to 60 and if wasn't there everything after 1.5 would have been pointless, because no one would have ever cared to get to 60.
Some of the best content in the game was there at release. It's still what gets people to play the game in the first place. The end-game stuff just keeps them playing.
Below is a brief synopsis of what was added for each patch. If you'll notice it appears that 1.5 to 1.12 actually introduced less content than either of the 2 expansions or the original.
If classic wow was better than any other version then people simply wouldn't play the expansion, quit or do something other than go to northrend. People don't need classic servers now, they can already do that by not purchasing the expansion. 1) Again, are you trolling or just plain stupid? Classic WoW was the best but BC was pretty good in itself. WotLK is a steaming pile of crap but I played BC from the day it come out until WotLK came. One of my best memories in WoW is downing Kael'thas in TK (months before 2.4) and heading over to CoT and getting to zone in Hyjal for my first time, downing Rage Winterchill and then heading over to take a look at BT. Karazhan was a great raid instance. Besides Vashj/Kael the rest of TK/SSC was ok, not great and Gruul and Mag were interesting in their own way. Professions were actually useful and not gimmicky. The introduction of dailies was a good thing. BC was far from perfect and the levelling process was fun the first time but by the time I was levelling my 5th character in Outlands I want to tear my eyes out. I still enjoyed the 1-58 levels in Azeroth the 5th time. While heroics were a good idea the design of the 13 Outland instances was terrible (CoT 5 mans and magister's terrace were good). The Auchidoun instances were just plain AWFUL.
2) Obviously the concept of preferring Classic WoW but still being able to enjoy BC is beyond you.
3) And I know you never raided pre-BC the talents, abilities and game mechanics have radically changed since pre-BC. AND DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU FOR THE 164TH TIME THAT 40 MAN NAXX IS NO LONGER IN THE GAME? Even with a non-expansion account lvl 60 content is just radically different in 3.08 than it was 1.12 Perhaps blizzard sees no need to open one, because there is no need. It isn't like DAOC where atlantis ruined the game and they lost massive subscriptions over how horrible the expansion was. The reality is that more people play now than during classic. Servers have log in ques, they are splitting overloaded populations to new servers, etc. 4) Read the WoW forums lately? Every 2nd post is people asking for classic servers. Look at the amount of lvl 60 guilds forming - even with the knowledge that 40 man naxx is no longer available. Go ask someone from the guild Heralds of Yore on Smolderthorn how many new member they have got lately. I'll give you a hint: lots. And the people who played DAoC were a lot more discerning about the game they played. Blizzard could serve up any slop and the millions of plebs who can't do anything but chant the "Blizzard is the almighty and WoW is perfect" mantra will eat it up. A person who can play 6 different instruments, can read and write music and has a musical education is going to be more discerning than a 14 year old teeny bopper idiot. And thats who plays WoW these days. Teeny bopper idiots who wouldn't know quality if it bit them on the ass. I doubt you could be any further from reality if you tried. Classic servers are nothing but a pander to former customers. 5) And the brain dead raid simple content in WotLK is to pander to the awful idiots who play the game now. The keyboard turning, clicking terribads who never put in any effort in and expect everything handed to them on a silver platter.
1) You are speaking of your OPINION on what makes the game good. You then go on to speak as if your opinion is the universal truth for everyone and anyone attempting to think any other way is somehow an idiot. You need to get over yourself and consider the fact that maybe you are just a small minority that think this way. As much as I would love to play original ultima online again I am realistic enough to know that it will never be the same. Nor do I demand EA make a server just for me and call anyone enjoying the current game idiots as if they are somehow a lesser player than myself. Time stands still for no man, get used to that or get used to disappointment.
2) Nope, I fully understand that people may love the old world more than the new content. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't feel the need to call them retards and idiots for enjoying something that I have personally outgrown and moved on from. Perhaps you should check your ego at the door and try to walk a mile in someone else shoes?
3) When have we ever talked about 40 man naxx? I don't recall it, let alone talked about it so much that you need to jump up and down screaming at me about it. You would also be incorrect about me not raiding pre-bc. Yes the game was harder back then, but I had already done much of naxx so it wasn't a big obsticle for me in this expansion. Yes the game has changed, but guess what? That is what happens in every single mmo. Why should a game freeze progress in time just for a few people and have to support 2 code bases? Assuming you even share the same opinion with enough people of when the old game was at its best, but that is just you assuming your opinion is the only truth. Nothing new there.
4) Yay more hyperbole from you! Ever second post is a cry for classic servers? People must be leaving in droves then... oh wait. Ok, post me a few hundred links since they are everywhere on the forums or else stop exaggerating so that you feel validated.
5) Kudos to you for using hip coolguy internet lingo to talk down to other players. Your internet street cred has increased by 1. Does that somehow make your opinions valid or just make you a self rightious <mod edit>?
This site's audience is primarily experienced and/or hardcore MMO players, which is the exact audience WoW has been moving away from since TBC.
Therefore, it makes perfect sense that WoW would be relatively unpopular on this site. Happy WoW players don't come here, why should they when they have the official forums?
While i don't play WoW anymore I respect it as a good game in its own right. It's brought a lot of new people into the genre and is a great game for casuals who wouldn't be able to do much (if anything) in other MMOs.
The only ignorant people are the Washed Up former WoW players that could not hack it, now they come here and vote wow number #21 out of spite and bitterness. I'm sure most of them are having fun playing whatever Grindy Asian game they have subbed for WoW, maybe MU online or perhaps Monoto Esperit or whatever it's called. I'm sure their current gaming experience is both breathtaking and engrossing, which is why they are here all the time, oh wait. Face the facts here, just the facts, WoW is on top and will STAY on top. These so called wow killers like WAR or AOC will only fail, and have failed. Just go to WAR forums for proof of failure. Laughable trying to put WoW in a defensive position, when wow is in charge and Ahead. It's like Obama said. " I WON" as in I did not you, your the ones loosing, your the ones who need to improve your game, whatever it may be. I will enjoy life at the top of the MMO world thank you. Don't be a Playa Hater, Biggie said it best.
You know. Maybe it isn't all bitter former WoW players trashing the game. You WoW defenders love to remind everyone that 10 million people play the game. Lets not forget the roughly 6.75 Billion people who don't have a WoW subscription. Maybe some of those guys are the ones who gave it a low rating.
I have never had a WoW subscription, but my brother and a bunch of my friends do.,.. and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics... I can say it isn't my cup of tea... and I can name 15 MMOs that are more compelling to me. I mean, I have been playing MMOs for several years, and was never interested enough in WoW to subscribe to it... even for a trial. I went to the website a few times when I was between games, but every time their promotional screenshots talked me out of downloading the client.
You know. Maybe it isn't all bitter former WoW players trashing the game. You WoW defenders love to remind everyone that 10 million people play the game. Lets not forget the roughly 6.75 Billion people who don't have a WoW subscription. Maybe some of those guys are the ones who gave it a low rating.
I have never had a WoW subscription, but my brother and a bunch of my friends do.,.. and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics... I can say it isn't my cup of tea... and I can name 15 MMOs that are more compelling to me.
What 6.75 BILLION? Are you talking about billions of the world's population not liking Wow? Cause even if you are saying it is only 6.75 million accounts instead of 10 million...
Let's try it this way:
10.0 million subs -6.75 million subs --------------- = 3.25 million subs.
That's still over 3 million more subscriptions over the next competitor. So your point is... what, exactly?
And this part:
Originally posted by Salvatoris: I have never had a WoW subscription..... and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics...
So you're saying, that if there was NO other reason Wow was bad (gameplay, price, support, maintainance, coding, etc) if ALL that was good, you'd STILL hate Wow because it has "piss poor graphics"? So the most important thing to you is your game must have great graphics, but that other stuff isn't that important?
I'd consider myself a Veteran on your list, like a ton of peepz floating around here my mmo-resume consists of starting out as a young man in awe of what UO was, getting addicted to EQ for the better part of 4 years, and then jumping from one game to the next seeking beta keys and that 'fresh' feeling again.
WoW is the number 1 mmorpg on the market, in the future it will be written down as the number 1 mmorpg of all time. It came, it saw, it conquored, and it will continue to do so for some time to come. The majority of the people floating around mmorpg.com generally consist of people looking for the next big thing rather than what's ruling the day. It was the same way prior to WoW with people wondering what was up with all of the EQ bashing and why games like Anarchy Online and Shadowbane weren't getting the props they deserved. LoL
Do I honestly think there's 20 better games than WoW out there? No. Do I think a lot of people leaving WoW and looking for something new felt oblighed to hate on their old lover? Yup.
I think the community here is a collective of people wanting something new. WoW's the number 1 mmorpg out there, no doubt for a variety of reasons, it's just not fresh.
Should've seen the EQ2 community as it was dying and they had everyone giving nothing but props here to make it number one on the list. LoL
It happens I guess. It's the crazy ex-girlfriend mentality.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
So I checked the ratings on this site and according to the list, World of Warcraft is rated at around number 21 of all released MMORPGs. Ouch. Okay, so I play WoW, but my intention behind this post is not to tell you that you're wrong or voting badly, but merely to ask the following: Do you honestly believe that there are 20 better MMORPGs than WoW (or at least closely comparable)? If you are at all willing to answer, perhaps you would be inclined estimate how the following might rank WoW as well, I assume there are none around to ask directly: a) Professional opinion -(what other game developers might think.)
b) Pseudo-professional opinion -(what games journalists might think.)
c) A typical PC-gamer's opinion - (what a person who might enjoy games such as Half-Life, Fallout 3, Red Alert 3, etc might think)
d) The 'Veteran' - what someone that has played more than a couple of MMORPGs for signfiicant periods of time might think. Actually I think that includes most of us.
There's no rhetoric behind that question, if you really believe that that there are 20, or even 50 better MMORPGs, then that's fine with me.
You know, we can tell by your signature you have an agenda.
World of Warcraft is McDonalds. It's easy to find (thanks to lots of advertising), it's easy to get into, and it's easy to get addicted to.
You, as a World of Warcraft fan, are the fat guy from Supersize me. Congratulations.
The rankings are done by asking the members here about their opinions of the various aspects of a game. They are not, a ranking of the games pesented "this is first, this is second" and so on. So your first question "Do you honestly believe there are 20 games better than Warcraft?" is moot.
There are obviously 20 games better than warcraft when it comes to:
1. Graphics
2. Community
3. Roleplaying
4. Service
Since WoW is behind many games in half of the attributes that they score on here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why it doesn't rank very high.
You know. Maybe it isn't all bitter former WoW players trashing the game. You WoW defenders love to remind everyone that 10 million people play the game. Lets not forget the roughly 6.75 Billion people who don't have a WoW subscription. Maybe some of those guys are the ones who gave it a low rating. I have never had a WoW subscription, but my brother and a bunch of my friends do.,.. and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics... I can say it isn't my cup of tea... and I can name 15 MMOs that are more compelling to me.
What 6.75 BILLION? Are you talking about billions of the world's population not liking Wow? Cause even if you are saying it is only 6.75 million accounts instead of 10 million...
Let's try it this way:
10.0 million subs
-6.75 million subs
---------------
= 3.25 million subs.
That's still over 3 million more subscriptions over the next competitor. So your point is... what, exactly?
And this part:
Originally posted by Salvatoris: I have never had a WoW subscription..... and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics...
So you're saying, that if there was NO other reason Wow was bad (gameplay, price, support, maintainance, coding, etc) if ALL that was good, you'd STILL hate Wow because it has "piss poor graphics"? So the most important thing to you is your game must have great graphics, but that other stuff isn't that important?
Interesting.
Yep.. I meant billion. I am saying that it isn't just bitter ex wow vets that have a poor opinion of the game. There are also people who decided upon close inspection that it wasn't even worth their time.. like me. I was putting the extremely inflated figure of 10 million in perspective. So 10 million people play it, there are another 6.75 Billion people on the globe that don't play it.
And no, graphics aren't the only thing that matter to me. If they were, I'd be playing AOC. But they are one of the factors I consider. Anyone who says WoW's graphics are "top notch" by todays standards is either a liar or a fool. The game may have looked good in it's time. But times change, and they can only put so much lipstick on that pig. You guys who blindly believe that WoW will just continue to grow and grow, while running 5,7,10 year old code are deluded. No piece of software is immune to obselecence... not even World of Warcraft.
Yep.. I meant billion. I am saying that it isn't just bitter ex wow vets that have a poor opinion of the game. There are also people who decided upon close inspection that it wasn't even worth their time.. like me. I was putting the extremely inflated figure of 10 million in perspective. So 10 million people play it, there are another 6.75 Billion people on the globe that don't play it.
And no, graphics aren't the only thing that matter to me. If they were, I'd be playing AOC. But they are one of the factors I consider. Anyone who says WoW's graphics are "top notch" by todays standards is either a liar or a fool. The game may have looked good in it's time. But times change, and they can only put so much lipstick on that pig. You guys who blindly believe that WoW will just continue to grow and grow, while running 5,7,10 year old code are deluded. No piece of software is immune to obselecence... not even World of Warcraft.
The visuals of Wrath of the Lich King are fantastic.
Here , so I am liar and a fool to you.
But put on ALL options (shadowing etc...) in Wrath and you have fantastic visuals:-
- Flying over the lands you adventure in. You have flying personal carpets, helicopters, dragons, rockets to give an awesome view over forests, lakes, villages, mountains... and you can land everywhere
- MASSIVE battles these days give 100's of Alliance players against 100's of Horde players on the battlefield.
- And - I bet you don't even know - the latest gear has WAY up more pixels than you ever saw in Wow.
To top it all, we now have a full 3D armor site to look at your avatars off game.
So before commenting on graphics ----> inform you about the latest visual developments in WotLK
As visuals mean a LOT more than pixels/vectors you should study about the art of ... art before commenting.
In fact the visuals in a game like Wow are far more timeless than so called "realistic" visuals.
Have a look at the animated Beowulf. Hardly 3 year old, it is already looking VERY dated. Therefore the cartoon look of Warcraft is far more suited to stand the age of time.
Compare it to the animated Disney Classics of 70(!) years ago like Snow White and then go see a "realistic" movie from that time.
I bet most children would think the animated Snow White was made only a few years ago, while the "realistic" picture is dated the moment it is canned.
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PS. This site is visited by a few hundred Wow haters, because they don't like the gigantic success this game has. Simple ast that. They don't represent ANYTHING, apart from a few frustrated kids who just have No idea what a good game design is all about.
History will tell that World of Warcraft was by far the best and most succesful MMORPG of the first decade of this century and it made the foundation of further evolution of on line games possible.
Reread that last sentence : no other mmorpg comes even close to that statement above unless you are "a liar and a fool".
Yep.. I meant billion. I am saying that it isn't just bitter ex wow vets that have a poor opinion of the game. There are also people who decided upon close inspection that it wasn't even worth their time.. like me. I was putting the extremely inflated figure of 10 million in perspective. So 10 million people play it, there are another 6.75 Billion people on the globe that don't play it.
And no, graphics aren't the only thing that matter to me. If they were, I'd be playing AOC. But they are one of the factors I consider. Anyone who says WoW's graphics are "top notch" by todays standards is either a liar or a fool. The game may have looked good in it's time. But times change, and they can only put so much lipstick on that pig. You guys who blindly believe that WoW will just continue to grow and grow, while running 5,7,10 year old code are deluded. No piece of software is immune to obselecence... not even World of Warcraft.
The visuals of Wrath of the Lich King are fantastic.
Here , so I am liar and a fool to you.
But put on ALL options (shadowing etc...) in Wrath and you have fantastic visuals:-
Compared to Street fighter 2 yes, any new game out currently....... erm no.
- Flying over the lands you adventure in. You have flying personal carpets, helicopters, dragons, rockets to give an awesome view over forests, lakes, villages, mountains... and you can land everywhere
Your using this as an example to Impress people?
- MASSIVE battles these days give 100's of Alliance players against 100's of Horde players on the battlefield.
If there's no server crash,
- And - I bet you don't even know - the latest gear has WAY up more pixels than you ever saw in Wow.
64?
To top it all, we now have a full 3D armor site to look at your avatars off game.
So before commenting on graphics ----> inform you about the latest visual developments in WotLK
As visuals mean a LOT more than pixels/vectors you should study about the art of ... art before commenting.
In fact the visuals in a game like Wow are far more timeless than so called "realistic" visuals.
Have a look at the animated Beowulf. Hardly 3 year old, it is already looking VERY dated. Therefore the cartoon look of Warcraft is far more suited to stand the age of time.
Compare it to the animated Disney Classics of 70(!) years ago like Snow White and then go see a "realistic" movie from that time.
I bet most children would think the animated Snow White was made only a few years ago, while the "realistic" picture is dated the moment it is canned.
Having studied art, your description as " Timeless" as if the game is the Mona Lisa, well heh heh, yeh ok. WoW is not timeless, it's certainly not a work of Art its a commercial success. Stand the age of time? I doubt 500 years from now historians will read the sacred chronicles of WoW, GET REAL. -------------- PS. This site is visited by a few hundred Wow haters, because they don't like the gigantic success this game has. Simple ast that. They don't represent ANYTHING, apart from a few frustrated kids who just have No idea what a good game design is all about. History will tell that World of Warcraft was by far the best and most succesful MMORPG of the first decade of this century and it made the foundation of further evolution of on line games possible. Reread that last sentence : no other mmorpg comes even close to that statement above unless you are "a liar and a fool" So? a new game claimes that every 4 years or so, thinking that makes you a special snowflake, is crazy.
All in all a good attempt as usual bodypass. Your strategy of putting multiple lies in a single thread is not bad, I went ahead and put some edits in there so others may understand it better.
Originally posted by Salvatoris I was putting the extremely inflated figure of 10 million in perspective. So 10 million people play it, there are another 6.75 Billion people on the globe that don't play it.
Using this type of logic is rather flawed. If it were the case then nothing could possibly have any value unless the entire world engaged in it.
Also, isn't it pretty hard to have anything more than a passing opinion of something you have never played? I'm just curious how your dislike of the graphical style and never actually having an account equates to the conclusion that a game sucks.
The ranking of World of Warcraft on mmorpg.com versus the people who really like the game are clearly disproportionate. Being on this website is like going over to your grandfather's house and having to listen to his opinion on everything because he will angrily insist he's right. Sure grandpa, whatever you say... Other things people love to hate:
The ranking of World of Warcraft on mmorpg.com versus the people who really like the game are clearly disproportionate.
That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
The ranking of World of Warcraft on mmorpg.com versus the people who really like the game are clearly disproportionate.
That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
Then you have the two groups: people who dislike WoW and people who do not dislike WoW. The second group is infinitely bigger. As such people who dislike WoW are a small minority.
The problem with either of those comparisons is that they lump the people who are neutral about the issue with one side or the other. Just because a lot of people are neutral about the issue it does not really say anything one way or another. It just means that your approach to the problem is flawed.
That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do. There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
Rankings on MMORPG.com mean nothing and I can't believe people who think they do overall and how it affects games. I have to agree with the above quote in regards to rank meanings and how they mean nothing.
Wow is the number one selling AND subscribed to MMO in history with millions of people all over the world. History. Ever. It had four versions of WoW in the Top20 PC games for the last two months straight. But on MMORPG.com, its the 21st popular game. Does that make sense? Nope.
Meanwhile, Warhammer Online won "Best New Game of the Year" and a ton of other awards in 2008, is one of the highest rating MMOs on MMORPG.com and a few other sites. Mythic just announced this week that Warhammer only has 300k current subscriptions combined between the NA and EU, that's all. They lost over 500 thousand subscriptions in four months, making them the one of the most fastest plunging MMOs in history. They had layoffs a few weeks ago and today, they announced more layoffs. This is a part of a source:
Using information corroborated by Massively.com sources, they're reporting that anywhere between 60 and 130 people have been let go from the company.
Again, WAR ranked higher than Wow here and other sites. But in the real world where money talks, bs walks, Wow is in the black and Warhammer is losing employees faster than Micheal Phelps can smoke a bong.
If you look at the actual review breakdown on this site for WoW, it's easy to see why it rated so far down the list. It got good marks in almost every category, even getting a generous 8.5 for graphics. The category that really drags it down is community. So the worst thing about WoW is it's community? I couldn't agree more.
The ranking of World of Warcraft on mmorpg.com versus the people who really like the game are clearly disproportionate.
That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
I think you are blending issues here and generalizing anyone who might choose to disagree with you.
The subject of this thread is how WoW rates so low on this website, not the entire world. There are not 1.5 billion users posting here, let alone that many people who might have the slightest opinion of mmos in general.
This website, for whatever reasons you choose to believe, is not representative of the actual mmo marketplace. People are free to have opinions and post them here, but when it comes time to back those opinions up with subscription dollars there is a very large discrepancy between opinions here versus opinions backed by subscribing to game of choice.
If you look at the actual review breakdown on this site for WoW, it's easy to see why it rated so far down the list. It got good marks in almost every category, even getting a generous 8.5 for graphics. The category that really drags it down is community. So the worst thing about WoW is it's community? I couldn't agree more.
I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
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If classic wow was better than any other version then people simply wouldn't play the expansion, quit or do something other than go to northrend. People don't need classic servers now, they can already do that by not purchasing the expansion.
Perhaps blizzard sees no need to open one, because there is no need. It isn't like DAOC where atlantis ruined the game and they lost massive subscriptions over how horrible the expansion was. The reality is that more people play now than during classic. Servers have log in ques, they are splitting overloaded populations to new servers, etc.
I doubt you could be any further from reality if you tried. Classic servers are nothing but a pander to former customers.
While Floppyface seems to know a lot of information about world of warcraft, he is pretty much exaggerating things aswell. Yes, people will always say that Vanilla WoW was the best. Thats because for many players, it was their first time playing the game. It was their first time meeting the different personalities of people on their server, it was their first time exploring the world of Azeroth, and it was their first time having a blast at a mmorpg.
People love the new content though. People love DKs. People love the new abilities and expanded talent trees. People love rolling alts. People love the game still and cant wait for more content. Floppy is bitter. That is okay, many people get bitter at one point or another at something, then eventually will remember the good times over the bad.
Oh and Floppy, just so you know, I also read that article on wowinsider.com about Heralds of Yore on Smolderthorn, the players that only level to 60 and raid classic places like AQ40 and BWL. Yea, okay. The GM of the guild says in the interview that they dont even have enough players to fill the 40 man roster.
Also, there are hardly ANY post about classic servers. Sure you get the rare one ever now and then, but they are extremely scarce.
I agree there was a lot of content added after 1.5, but what you're not realizing is all the content you are talking about is high end content (for that time). All of the lower end content was added prior to then and there was still BRD, Dire Maul, Scholomance, Stratholme, Molten Core, Onyxia, Azuregos and Lord Kazzak for high end before 1.5. If you were to remove all of the content that came before 1.5, how would you get to 60 in the first place? That's a ton of content to get you to 60 and if wasn't there everything after 1.5 would have been pointless, because no one would have ever cared to get to 60.
Some of the best content in the game was there at release. It's still what gets people to play the game in the first place. The end-game stuff just keeps them playing.
Below is a brief synopsis of what was added for each patch. If you'll notice it appears that 1.5 to 1.12 actually introduced less content than either of the 2 expansions or the original.
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1.0 11/23/2004 Ragefire Chasm, Deadmines, Wailing Caverns, Blackfathom Deeps, Shadowfang Keep, Stockade, Gnomeregan, Razorfen Kraul, Scarlet Monastery, Razorfen Downs, Uldaman, Zul'Farrack, Blackrock Depths (2), Sunken Temple, Scholomance, Stratholme, Molten Core, Onyxia's Lair, Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms, 8 races, 9 classes, 9 professions etc...
1.2 12/18/2004 Maraudon
1.3 3/22/2005 Diremaul, Azuregos, Lord Kazzak, Meeting Stones
1.4 5/5/2005 PvP Honor System
1.5 6/7/2005 Warsong Gulch, Alterac Valley
1.6 8/2/2005 Blackwing Lair, Battlemasters, Darkmoon Faire
1.7 9/22/2005 Zul'Gurub, Arathi Basin, Fishing Event, Dressing Room
1.8 10/10/2005 Ysondre, Lethon, Emeriss, Taerar, Silithus Revamp
1.9 1/3/2006 Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj, Temple of Ahn'Qiraj, Linked Auction Houses, Raid Timers
1.10 3/28/2006 Weather effects
1.11 6/19/2006 Naxxramas, Key Rings, Eastern Plaguelands Revamp
1.12 8/22/2006 Cross Realm Battlegrounds, World PvP Events
2.0 12/5/2006 PvP Honor revamp, PvP Arenas, LFG Button, Socketable Items, Meeting Stone Summoning, 40 point talent trees
BC 1/16/2007 Silvermoon City, Exodar, Hellfire Citadel (4), Coilfang Reservoir (4), Auchindoun(4), Gruul's Lair, Tempest Keep(4), Eye of the Storm, Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, Caverns of Time(3), Outlands, Cap raised to Lvl 70, Flying Mounts, Dranei, Blood Elves, Jewelcrafting, Prospecting, Professions raised to 375, Heroic mode instances
2.1 5/22/2007 Black Temple, Daily Quests
2.2 9/25/2007 Voice Chat
2.3 11/13/2007 Zul'Aman, Guild Banks, Dustwallow Marsh Revamp, 20-60 XP reduction
2.4 3/25/2008 Sunwell Isle, Arena Tourney, Lvl 70 Superior PvP gear sets
3.0 10/14/2008 Dalaran moved, Barbershop, Achievement System, Stormwind Harbor, Hit/Crit/Haste/Spellpower combined, 50 point talent trees, Inscription, Milling, Glyphs, 60-70 XP reduction
WoTLK 11/13/2008 Utgarde Keep (2), Nexxus (3), Drak'Tharon Keep, Gundrak, Violet Hold, Chamber of Aspects, Ulduar (3), Azjol-Nerub (2), Icecrown Citadel, Naxxramas, Culling of Stratholme, Strand of the Ancients (BG), Orgrimmar Arena, Dalaran Arena, Lake Wintergrasp, Death Knights, Northrend, Level cap raise to 80, Professions raised to 450, siege weapons, flying vehicles, multi-person mounts, destructable keeps, phasing
1) You are speaking of your OPINION on what makes the game good. You then go on to speak as if your opinion is the universal truth for everyone and anyone attempting to think any other way is somehow an idiot. You need to get over yourself and consider the fact that maybe you are just a small minority that think this way. As much as I would love to play original ultima online again I am realistic enough to know that it will never be the same. Nor do I demand EA make a server just for me and call anyone enjoying the current game idiots as if they are somehow a lesser player than myself. Time stands still for no man, get used to that or get used to disappointment.
2) Nope, I fully understand that people may love the old world more than the new content. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't feel the need to call them retards and idiots for enjoying something that I have personally outgrown and moved on from. Perhaps you should check your ego at the door and try to walk a mile in someone else shoes?
3) When have we ever talked about 40 man naxx? I don't recall it, let alone talked about it so much that you need to jump up and down screaming at me about it. You would also be incorrect about me not raiding pre-bc. Yes the game was harder back then, but I had already done much of naxx so it wasn't a big obsticle for me in this expansion. Yes the game has changed, but guess what? That is what happens in every single mmo. Why should a game freeze progress in time just for a few people and have to support 2 code bases? Assuming you even share the same opinion with enough people of when the old game was at its best, but that is just you assuming your opinion is the only truth. Nothing new there.
4) Yay more hyperbole from you! Ever second post is a cry for classic servers? People must be leaving in droves then... oh wait. Ok, post me a few hundred links since they are everywhere on the forums or else stop exaggerating so that you feel validated.
5) Kudos to you for using hip coolguy internet lingo to talk down to other players. Your internet street cred has increased by 1. Does that somehow make your opinions valid or just make you a self rightious <mod edit>?
This site's audience is primarily experienced and/or hardcore MMO players, which is the exact audience WoW has been moving away from since TBC.
Therefore, it makes perfect sense that WoW would be relatively unpopular on this site. Happy WoW players don't come here, why should they when they have the official forums?
While i don't play WoW anymore I respect it as a good game in its own right. It's brought a lot of new people into the genre and is a great game for casuals who wouldn't be able to do much (if anything) in other MMOs.
You know. Maybe it isn't all bitter former WoW players trashing the game. You WoW defenders love to remind everyone that 10 million people play the game. Lets not forget the roughly 6.75 Billion people who don't have a WoW subscription. Maybe some of those guys are the ones who gave it a low rating.
I have never had a WoW subscription, but my brother and a bunch of my friends do.,.. and I think the game sucks. If for no other reason than the piss poor graphics... I can say it isn't my cup of tea... and I can name 15 MMOs that are more compelling to me. I mean, I have been playing MMOs for several years, and was never interested enough in WoW to subscribe to it... even for a trial. I went to the website a few times when I was between games, but every time their promotional screenshots talked me out of downloading the client.
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What 6.75 BILLION? Are you talking about billions of the world's population not liking Wow? Cause even if you are saying it is only 6.75 million accounts instead of 10 million...
Let's try it this way:
10.0 million subs
-6.75 million subs
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= 3.25 million subs.
That's still over 3 million more subscriptions over the next competitor. So your point is... what, exactly?
And this part:
So you're saying, that if there was NO other reason Wow was bad (gameplay, price, support, maintainance, coding, etc) if ALL that was good, you'd STILL hate Wow because it has "piss poor graphics"? So the most important thing to you is your game must have great graphics, but that other stuff isn't that important?
Interesting.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I'd consider myself a Veteran on your list, like a ton of peepz floating around here my mmo-resume consists of starting out as a young man in awe of what UO was, getting addicted to EQ for the better part of 4 years, and then jumping from one game to the next seeking beta keys and that 'fresh' feeling again.
WoW is the number 1 mmorpg on the market, in the future it will be written down as the number 1 mmorpg of all time. It came, it saw, it conquored, and it will continue to do so for some time to come. The majority of the people floating around mmorpg.com generally consist of people looking for the next big thing rather than what's ruling the day. It was the same way prior to WoW with people wondering what was up with all of the EQ bashing and why games like Anarchy Online and Shadowbane weren't getting the props they deserved. LoL
Do I honestly think there's 20 better games than WoW out there? No. Do I think a lot of people leaving WoW and looking for something new felt oblighed to hate on their old lover? Yup.
I think the community here is a collective of people wanting something new. WoW's the number 1 mmorpg out there, no doubt for a variety of reasons, it's just not fresh.
Should've seen the EQ2 community as it was dying and they had everyone giving nothing but props here to make it number one on the list. LoL
It happens I guess. It's the crazy ex-girlfriend mentality.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Huh? I wouldn't say EQ2 "died". I still play and there is a decent population and a solid game.
You know, we can tell by your signature you have an agenda.
World of Warcraft is McDonalds. It's easy to find (thanks to lots of advertising), it's easy to get into, and it's easy to get addicted to.
You, as a World of Warcraft fan, are the fat guy from Supersize me. Congratulations.
The rankings are done by asking the members here about their opinions of the various aspects of a game. They are not, a ranking of the games pesented "this is first, this is second" and so on. So your first question "Do you honestly believe there are 20 games better than Warcraft?" is moot.
There are obviously 20 games better than warcraft when it comes to:
1. Graphics
2. Community
3. Roleplaying
4. Service
Since WoW is behind many games in half of the attributes that they score on here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why it doesn't rank very high.
Enjoy your Big Mac.
What 6.75 BILLION? Are you talking about billions of the world's population not liking Wow? Cause even if you are saying it is only 6.75 million accounts instead of 10 million...
Let's try it this way:
10.0 million subs
-6.75 million subs
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= 3.25 million subs.
That's still over 3 million more subscriptions over the next competitor. So your point is... what, exactly?
And this part:
So you're saying, that if there was NO other reason Wow was bad (gameplay, price, support, maintainance, coding, etc) if ALL that was good, you'd STILL hate Wow because it has "piss poor graphics"? So the most important thing to you is your game must have great graphics, but that other stuff isn't that important?
Interesting.
Yep.. I meant billion. I am saying that it isn't just bitter ex wow vets that have a poor opinion of the game. There are also people who decided upon close inspection that it wasn't even worth their time.. like me. I was putting the extremely inflated figure of 10 million in perspective. So 10 million people play it, there are another 6.75 Billion people on the globe that don't play it.
And no, graphics aren't the only thing that matter to me. If they were, I'd be playing AOC. But they are one of the factors I consider. Anyone who says WoW's graphics are "top notch" by todays standards is either a liar or a fool. The game may have looked good in it's time. But times change, and they can only put so much lipstick on that pig. You guys who blindly believe that WoW will just continue to grow and grow, while running 5,7,10 year old code are deluded. No piece of software is immune to obselecence... not even World of Warcraft.
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The visuals of Wrath of the Lich King are fantastic.
Here , so I am liar and a fool to you.
But put on ALL options (shadowing etc...) in Wrath and you have fantastic visuals:-
- Flying over the lands you adventure in. You have flying personal carpets, helicopters, dragons, rockets to give an awesome view over forests, lakes, villages, mountains... and you can land everywhere
- MASSIVE battles these days give 100's of Alliance players against 100's of Horde players on the battlefield.
- And - I bet you don't even know - the latest gear has WAY up more pixels than you ever saw in Wow.
To top it all, we now have a full 3D armor site to look at your avatars off game.
http://www.3darmory.com/
So before commenting on graphics ----> inform you about the latest visual developments in WotLK
As visuals mean a LOT more than pixels/vectors you should study about the art of ... art before commenting.
In fact the visuals in a game like Wow are far more timeless than so called "realistic" visuals.
Have a look at the animated Beowulf. Hardly 3 year old, it is already looking VERY dated. Therefore the cartoon look of Warcraft is far more suited to stand the age of time.
Compare it to the animated Disney Classics of 70(!) years ago like Snow White and then go see a "realistic" movie from that time.
I bet most children would think the animated Snow White was made only a few years ago, while the "realistic" picture is dated the moment it is canned.
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PS. This site is visited by a few hundred Wow haters, because they don't like the gigantic success this game has. Simple ast that. They don't represent ANYTHING, apart from a few frustrated kids who just have No idea what a good game design is all about.
History will tell that World of Warcraft was by far the best and most succesful MMORPG of the first decade of this century and it made the foundation of further evolution of on line games possible.
Reread that last sentence : no other mmorpg comes even close to that statement above unless you are "a liar and a fool".
The visuals of Wrath of the Lich King are fantastic.
Here , so I am liar and a fool to you.
But put on ALL options (shadowing etc...) in Wrath and you have fantastic visuals:-
Compared to Street fighter 2 yes, any new game out currently....... erm no.
- Flying over the lands you adventure in. You have flying personal carpets, helicopters, dragons, rockets to give an awesome view over forests, lakes, villages, mountains... and you can land everywhere
Your using this as an example to Impress people?
- MASSIVE battles these days give 100's of Alliance players against 100's of Horde players on the battlefield.
If there's no server crash,
- And - I bet you don't even know - the latest gear has WAY up more pixels than you ever saw in Wow.
64?
To top it all, we now have a full 3D armor site to look at your avatars off game.
And that's pretty meaningless
http://www.3darmory.com/
So before commenting on graphics ----> inform you about the latest visual developments in WotLK
As visuals mean a LOT more than pixels/vectors you should study about the art of ... art before commenting.
In fact the visuals in a game like Wow are far more timeless than so called "realistic" visuals.
Have a look at the animated Beowulf. Hardly 3 year old, it is already looking VERY dated. Therefore the cartoon look of Warcraft is far more suited to stand the age of time.
Compare it to the animated Disney Classics of 70(!) years ago like Snow White and then go see a "realistic" movie from that time.
I bet most children would think the animated Snow White was made only a few years ago, while the "realistic" picture is dated the moment it is canned.
Having studied art, your description as " Timeless" as if the game is the Mona Lisa, well heh heh, yeh ok. WoW is not timeless, it's certainly not a work of Art its a commercial success. Stand the age of time? I doubt 500 years from now historians will read the sacred chronicles of WoW, GET REAL.
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PS. This site is visited by a few hundred Wow haters, because they don't like the gigantic success this game has. Simple ast that. They don't represent ANYTHING, apart from a few frustrated kids who just have No idea what a good game design is all about.
History will tell that World of Warcraft was by far the best and most succesful MMORPG of the first decade of this century and it made the foundation of further evolution of on line games possible.
Reread that last sentence : no other mmorpg comes even close to that statement above unless you are "a liar and a fool"
So? a new game claimes that every 4 years or so, thinking that makes you a special snowflake, is crazy.
All in all a good attempt as usual bodypass. Your strategy of putting multiple lies in a single thread is not bad, I went ahead and put some edits in there so others may understand it better.
Your pissing contest is boring. If you two want to stalk each other, at least do it in style.
Using this type of logic is rather flawed. If it were the case then nothing could possibly have any value unless the entire world engaged in it.
Also, isn't it pretty hard to have anything more than a passing opinion of something you have never played? I'm just curious how your dislike of the graphical style and never actually having an account equates to the conclusion that a game sucks.
The ranking of World of Warcraft on mmorpg.com versus the people who really like the game are clearly disproportionate. Being on this website is like going over to your grandfather's house and having to listen to his opinion on everything because he will angrily insist he's right. Sure grandpa, whatever you say...
Other things people love to hate:
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2.) The media
3.) Our parents
4.) Our spouse
5.) Customer Service
6.) Banks
7.) The driver ahead of us
8.) Our boss / co-worker(s)
9.) Anyone who has something we want.
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That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
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That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
Then you have the two groups: people who dislike WoW and people who do not dislike WoW. The second group is infinitely bigger. As such people who dislike WoW are a small minority.
The problem with either of those comparisons is that they lump the people who are neutral about the issue with one side or the other. Just because a lot of people are neutral about the issue it does not really say anything one way or another. It just means that your approach to the problem is flawed.
Rankings on MMORPG.com mean nothing and I can't believe people who think they do overall and how it affects games. I have to agree with the above quote in regards to rank meanings and how they mean nothing.
Wow is the number one selling AND subscribed to MMO in history with millions of people all over the world. History. Ever. It had four versions of WoW in the Top20 PC games for the last two months straight. But on MMORPG.com, its the 21st popular game. Does that make sense? Nope.
Meanwhile, Warhammer Online won "Best New Game of the Year" and a ton of other awards in 2008, is one of the highest rating MMOs on MMORPG.com and a few other sites. Mythic just announced this week that Warhammer only has 300k current subscriptions combined between the NA and EU, that's all. They lost over 500 thousand subscriptions in four months, making them the one of the most fastest plunging MMOs in history. They had layoffs a few weeks ago and today, they announced more layoffs. This is a part of a source:
Again, WAR ranked higher than Wow here and other sites. But in the real world where money talks, bs walks, Wow is in the black and Warhammer is losing employees faster than Micheal Phelps can smoke a bong.
Rankings means squat on internet sites.
"TO MICHAEL!"
If you look at the actual review breakdown on this site for WoW, it's easy to see why it rated so far down the list. It got good marks in almost every category, even getting a generous 8.5 for graphics. The category that really drags it down is community. So the worst thing about WoW is it's community? I couldn't agree more.
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That is the answer right there. If you put people in to two groups, people who play WoW and people who don't play WoW. The second group is almost infinitely bigger. The ignorance and arrogance that you WoW fanboys display is disgusting to me. You guys really seem to believe that your opinion is somehow right, and everyone else's is wrong. If someone claims not to like WoW, you assume they are lying. News flash... everyone has a brain of their own, with thoughts of their own... and sometimes they differ from yours. A lot of people just do not like World of Warcraft.. get over yourselves. It's just a video game. A video game that wasn't spectacular when it was new, and now it's really showing it's age... as video games always do.
There are almost 7 billion people on the planet. Over a 1.5 BILLION of them are internet users. A tiny percentage of those internet users play World of Warcraft. So... why are you guys so surprised when you see people posting online that it isn't the greatest game ever made?
I think you are blending issues here and generalizing anyone who might choose to disagree with you.
The subject of this thread is how WoW rates so low on this website, not the entire world. There are not 1.5 billion users posting here, let alone that many people who might have the slightest opinion of mmos in general.
This website, for whatever reasons you choose to believe, is not representative of the actual mmo marketplace. People are free to have opinions and post them here, but when it comes time to back those opinions up with subscription dollars there is a very large discrepancy between opinions here versus opinions backed by subscribing to game of choice.
I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
Lulz @ the WoW fanboy.
im not a fan of wow...but i would rank it about 13-14
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