Another post about darkfall, with people replaying the same shit as every other single post about darkfall.
What do you do with a dead horse that has been beaten till there is nothing left to beat? I guess drag the carcus threw razor wire. Now about the question. How can you blame a fan of somthing, that is excited about somthing, for causing people who have nothing better to do, then bash on a game that no one has even played yet?
The problem isnt fans its people who like to be synical assholes and have nothing better to do the ruin somone else fun. Trolling sums up a persons life, or lack there of. They would rather critisize everything somone else has good to say because they dwell in there own misarable existance. Thats why 70% of our population are pieces of shit. The other 30% must tolirate them and be amused. So we will post on this topic and listen to more bashers until the next OMG! darkfall really really sucks topic comes up after they just read or saw a new screen shot release'd.
Its not the fans fault, trolls are trolls, this is teh internetz after all.
Specially a game as different as Darkfall is bound to get alot of Trolls attaching to the more harmless sceptics.
But never mind, more and more info from Beta is leaking out and it seems pretty unanimous overall enjoyment and addiction toward the game. Which is great.
A couple of Buts with regard to certain features, but nothing that cannot concievably be fixed if the Dev team plays their cards right.
For me, it was never about the ignorant fans. While they rarely offer solid information to help sort out Aventurine's lack of PR, it was always Aventurine that pissed me off. Missed dates, lack of honesty, and their blatant hyping turned my confidence for this game, low.
Really, what information has been released within the last two months for Darkfall, from Aventurine? A poll stating approximately how many beta-testers would buy their game...What is that? That's hype. That's hype from a company who had their PR guy a few weeks prior to that date; say, "We think Darkfall's overhyped, and we never wanted that" (something of that measure).
I hate the company, I pity those that don't.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Funny stuff lol. Although there are some "trolls" or more so haters of this game, most the people you clasify as this merely post facts about the game. If someone oblivious to the game came on these forums and just merely posted articles of devs posts from the past 6 years and said the game has been in development longer than any other game and has less information to provide, you would all classify such person as a "troll".
You fanboys are just disgusting in the way you idolize this game. Even with the beta leaks the game doesn't look like it surpasses 2004 gameplay and graphics. There are still many bugs in the game which they have claimed has been tested by proffessionals for 4 years now. Yes 4 years. Apparently many fanboys disbelieve fact for some reason. Maybe it's a hope or a dream of what will be. At least say that instead of making DF into what it's not.
You guys who watch the beta leak videos and seriously think to yourself, man this is the game that will capitalize the market for the next 3 years must be kidding yourself. Sure sure it looks impressive, if I was watching it 2 years ago with the idea that the game would be out 2-3 months later instead of 2-3 weeks.
I'm wondering, do you guys think that the fans of the game are a big reason why this game gets bashed so much? I do. Frankly, I wouldn't have really cared about the game that much had it not been for seeing every post, whether it had anything to do with Darkfall or not, be spammed by a select few individuals proclaiming how great Darkfall would be. Add on top of that the whole "Hype crusade" where DF fans came here and hyped up DF while dehyping everything else, I think the fans of this game have had a big part in causing the excessing bashing, "trolling", and any other negative attention this game gets. How many of you would be as diligently bashing this game if it wasn't for the individuals with such unreasonable blind faith spamming us for so long?
No, its just people like you who create pointless threads that have nothing to do with Darkfall.
Razorwax was a group of 4-6 folks from Norway working on Darkfall part time.
They merged with Aventurine in 2003 and moved to Greece. The same core 4 developers are still part of Aventurine, but that does not = them being the same company.
Oh please. Now you're just parsing things to try and make a point.
They're the same people. Aventurine was started with the purpose of continuing development of Darkfall. They absorbed Razorwax, and everyone moved to Greece because it was cheaper and made more business sense for everyone to be in the same place. The same people are still part of the company.
I don't care how badly you want to try and pretend that they're two different companies that have worked on two different games. That's wrong. Once they merged, Razorwax and Aventurine became the same company, with the same people involved, working on the same game. Period.
I like how you list a source then you continue to lie, that article says it was 5 people from Razorwax working on Darkfall in 2001, and in 2003, Aventurine and Razorwax merged, with more people joining in the merge, so it still ISN'T the exact same team, there we several more people.
By your logic, what you are saying is that when Mythic merged EA and the Mythic team working on WAR went from 250 people to over 400 people, that it must no longer have been the same team on the same game. So if it wasn't WAR before and after the merger, what was it? If it wasn't DFO before and after the merger, what was it? Please, stop trying to play word games. It is the same people that are still working on the project after the merger, plus more. It doesn't mean it was a whole different project. Good grief.
Different Team working on the same game.
Increasing a team by 150 is going to change the game's turnout if it was the same 250.
And when Aventurine merged with Razorwax all they did was add several more people to the same game. This was admitted to by Aventurine. Just search to find the relative information that Aventurine admitted itself that the game was essentially the same.
The burden of evidence is on your side my friend.
Why should I have to find support to back up YOUR statement?
"GB: It's been nearly two years since we talked to you last, so can you give us a quick summary of where you stand in the development of Darkfall?
Claus: We have come a long way since the first Gamebanshee interview. Back then we had the four guys in a basement, now we have a team of 20 people working hard on finishing the game. We also moved country,from a basement in Oslo, Norway to modern offices close to the Olympic stadium in Athens, Greece. We all have a nice tan now.
Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date. "
Direct quote again: "Jonric: Still looking at the past year or so, what are the notable improvements and additions you've made to Darkfall?
Claus Grovdal: From a design point of view, nothing notable has changed from the main parameters. Last year has been all about adding content plus refining and tweaking various aspects of the game."
Plain and simple, anyone who tries to say the game was scrapped and redone is FULL OF SHIT.
And POOF!
Just like that all the BS that daywalker27 and SignusM were spouting before the facts are laid out... yet again... are gone from the thread.
Don't worry they'll be back in another thread saying the same old story of it has only started since 2003... it was restarted in 2003... blah... blah.
Then when someone posts the evidence that they are wrong... they slink away... for a time.
I'm wondering, do you guys think that the fans of the game are a big reason why this game gets bashed so much? I do. Frankly, I wouldn't have really cared about the game that much had it not been for seeing every post, whether it had anything to do with Darkfall or not, be spammed by a select few individuals proclaiming how great Darkfall would be. Add on top of that the whole "Hype crusade" where DF fans came here and hyped up DF while dehyping everything else, I think the fans of this game have had a big part in causing the excessing bashing, "trolling", and any other negative attention this game gets. How many of you would be as diligently bashing this game if it wasn't for the individuals with such unreasonable blind faith spamming us for so long?
You better believe it... Darkfall, the original concept of it all, is exactly the game I have been longing for since I began with UO as my first MMO, right on release day. But with this forum and the followers of this badly managed pice of art, with their maginary claims, their CONSTANT trolling and abusing of ANYONE that speak about Darkfall in ANY tone less than extatic. Even neutral people, asking a polite question, get cut down to firewood witin 5 posts after entering their curious query... And what is the tool they use to trash the whole MO community? Lies... fantasies and imaginary facts made up on the spot... Complete fabrications from people that know nothing, and most of them has not even played a real sandbox MMO before, MOST of the real diehard Darkfall followers are actually ex WoW players, that thought "hey.. PvP was kinda kewl.. I wonder if i can do that wihtout guards chasing me all the time?" Then come here and pretend they started with Ultima Online... when they were 4-9 years old apparently, because 80% of the are less than 25 years old.
Darkfall would have stood a chance... even in a semibroken state at release, better chance than Dark and Light and a lot better chance than Roma Victor... were it not for its following of imbecilles. They.. and none other.. not even Tasos.. are the ones that are making sure Darkfall is a doomed amateur project. because seriously... Who will ever want to hear this pile of baloonheads in your chat box 24/7? Not me.. Not anyone with more than 6 working brain cells.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
I'm wondering, do you guys think that the fans of the game are a big reason why this game gets bashed so much? I do. Frankly, I wouldn't have really cared about the game that much had it not been for seeing every post, whether it had anything to do with Darkfall or not, be spammed by a select few individuals proclaiming how great Darkfall would be. Add on top of that the whole "Hype crusade" where DF fans came here and hyped up DF while dehyping everything else, I think the fans of this game have had a big part in causing the excessing bashing, "trolling", and any other negative attention this game gets. How many of you would be as diligently bashing this game if it wasn't for the individuals with such unreasonable blind faith spamming us for so long?
You better believe it... Darkfall, the original concept of it all, is exactly the game I have been longing for since I began with UO as my first MMO, right on release day. But with this forum and the followers of this badly managed pice of art, with their maginary claims, their CONSTANT trolling and abusing of ANYONE that speak about Darkfall in ANY tone less than extatic. Even neutral people, asking a polite question, get cut down to firewood witin 5 posts after entering their curious query... And what is the tool they use to trash the whole MO community? Lies... fantasies and imaginary facts made up on the spot... Complete fabrications from people that know nothing, and most of them has not even played a real sandbox MMO before, MOST of the real diehard Darkfall followers are actually ex WoW players, that thought "hey.. PvP was kinda kewl.. I wonder if i can do that wihtout guards chasing me all the time?" Then come here and pretend they started with Ultima Online... when they were 4-9 years old apparently, because 80% of the are less than 25 years old.
Darkfall would have stood a chance... even in a semibroken state at release, better chance than Dark and Light and a lot better chance than Roma Victor... were it not for its following of imbecilles. They.. and none other.. not even Tasos.. are the ones that are making sure Darkfall is a doomed amateur project. because seriously... Who will ever want to hear this pile of baloonheads in your chat box 24/7? Not me.. Not anyone with more than 6 working brain cells.
Which doesnt include u, since all u do is bash the followers of the game, whom u have apparently blamed for the state of the game itself.
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I disagree with the Original Poster.
Its not the fans fault, trolls are trolls, this is teh internetz after all.
Specially a game as different as Darkfall is bound to get alot of Trolls attaching to the more harmless sceptics.
But never mind, more and more info from Beta is leaking out and it seems pretty unanimous overall enjoyment and addiction toward the game. Which is great.
A couple of Buts with regard to certain features, but nothing that cannot concievably be fixed if the Dev team plays their cards right.
-Darkstar
For me, it was never about the ignorant fans. While they rarely offer solid information to help sort out Aventurine's lack of PR, it was always Aventurine that pissed me off. Missed dates, lack of honesty, and their blatant hyping turned my confidence for this game, low.
Really, what information has been released within the last two months for Darkfall, from Aventurine? A poll stating approximately how many beta-testers would buy their game...What is that? That's hype. That's hype from a company who had their PR guy a few weeks prior to that date; say, "We think Darkfall's overhyped, and we never wanted that" (something of that measure).
I hate the company, I pity those that don't.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Funny stuff lol. Although there are some "trolls" or more so haters of this game, most the people you clasify as this merely post facts about the game. If someone oblivious to the game came on these forums and just merely posted articles of devs posts from the past 6 years and said the game has been in development longer than any other game and has less information to provide, you would all classify such person as a "troll".
You fanboys are just disgusting in the way you idolize this game. Even with the beta leaks the game doesn't look like it surpasses 2004 gameplay and graphics. There are still many bugs in the game which they have claimed has been tested by proffessionals for 4 years now. Yes 4 years. Apparently many fanboys disbelieve fact for some reason. Maybe it's a hope or a dream of what will be. At least say that instead of making DF into what it's not.
You guys who watch the beta leak videos and seriously think to yourself, man this is the game that will capitalize the market for the next 3 years must be kidding yourself. Sure sure it looks impressive, if I was watching it 2 years ago with the idea that the game would be out 2-3 months later instead of 2-3 weeks.
No, its just people like you who create pointless threads that have nothing to do with Darkfall.
Oh please. Now you're just parsing things to try and make a point.
They're the same people. Aventurine was started with the purpose of continuing development of Darkfall. They absorbed Razorwax, and everyone moved to Greece because it was cheaper and made more business sense for everyone to be in the same place. The same people are still part of the company.
I don't care how badly you want to try and pretend that they're two different companies that have worked on two different games. That's wrong. Once they merged, Razorwax and Aventurine became the same company, with the same people involved, working on the same game. Period.
I like how you list a source then you continue to lie, that article says it was 5 people from Razorwax working on Darkfall in 2001, and in 2003, Aventurine and Razorwax merged, with more people joining in the merge, so it still ISN'T the exact same team, there we several more people.
By your logic, what you are saying is that when Mythic merged EA and the Mythic team working on WAR went from 250 people to over 400 people, that it must no longer have been the same team on the same game. So if it wasn't WAR before and after the merger, what was it? If it wasn't DFO before and after the merger, what was it? Please, stop trying to play word games. It is the same people that are still working on the project after the merger, plus more. It doesn't mean it was a whole different project. Good grief.
Different Team working on the same game.
Increasing a team by 150 is going to change the game's turnout if it was the same 250.
And when Aventurine merged with Razorwax all they did was add several more people to the same game. This was admitted to by Aventurine. Just search to find the relative information that Aventurine admitted itself that the game was essentially the same.
The burden of evidence is on your side my friend.
Why should I have to find support to back up YOUR statement?
I'll provide it for him:
1. FAQ over at WarCry: df.warcry.com/faq/view/237/
If you click on the "What is razorwax?" question (1.3) it will give you the history of Razorwax, Aventurine and Darkfall.
2. Here is a detailed article at WarCry about the history of the game up to the point the article was written (2007): www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surlys-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurine-Heres-the-Rub
3. Here is an interview from 2003 at GameBanshee:www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php
This is a direct quote from the interview:
"GB: It's been nearly two years since we talked to you last, so can you give us a quick summary of where you stand in the development of Darkfall?
Claus: We have come a long way since the first Gamebanshee interview. Back then we had the four guys in a basement, now we have a team of 20 people working hard on finishing the game. We also moved country,from a basement in Oslo, Norway to modern offices close to the Olympic stadium in Athens, Greece. We all have a nice tan now.
Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date. "
4. Here is an interview at IGnVault in 2005:rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
Direct quote again: "Jonric: Still looking at the past year or so, what are the notable improvements and additions you've made to Darkfall?
Claus Grovdal: From a design point of view, nothing notable has changed from the main parameters. Last year has been all about adding content plus refining and tweaking various aspects of the game."
Plain and simple, anyone who tries to say the game was scrapped and redone is FULL OF SHIT.
And POOF!
Just like that all the BS that daywalker27 and SignusM were spouting before the facts are laid out... yet again... are gone from the thread.
Don't worry they'll be back in another thread saying the same old story of it has only started since 2003... it was restarted in 2003... blah... blah.
Then when someone posts the evidence that they are wrong... they slink away... for a time.
One other link that is good to add:
www.scribd.com/doc/9082373/Darkfall-Interviews
That link has all Dev interviews and journals for DarkFall... they start in 2001.
This one is a clincher though:
forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php
The news site from DarkFall's very own Official Forums...
8-21-2001 is the date of the first post from the Devs.
Heh... seems kinda odd for a game to have a post pre-dating it's own development by 2 years... or perhaps that's a common occurrence for all MMOs?
You better believe it... Darkfall, the original concept of it all, is exactly the game I have been longing for since I began with UO as my first MMO, right on release day. But with this forum and the followers of this badly managed pice of art, with their maginary claims, their CONSTANT trolling and abusing of ANYONE that speak about Darkfall in ANY tone less than extatic. Even neutral people, asking a polite question, get cut down to firewood witin 5 posts after entering their curious query... And what is the tool they use to trash the whole MO community? Lies... fantasies and imaginary facts made up on the spot... Complete fabrications from people that know nothing, and most of them has not even played a real sandbox MMO before, MOST of the real diehard Darkfall followers are actually ex WoW players, that thought "hey.. PvP was kinda kewl.. I wonder if i can do that wihtout guards chasing me all the time?" Then come here and pretend they started with Ultima Online... when they were 4-9 years old apparently, because 80% of the are less than 25 years old.
Darkfall would have stood a chance... even in a semibroken state at release, better chance than Dark and Light and a lot better chance than Roma Victor... were it not for its following of imbecilles. They.. and none other.. not even Tasos.. are the ones that are making sure Darkfall is a doomed amateur project. because seriously... Who will ever want to hear this pile of baloonheads in your chat box 24/7? Not me.. Not anyone with more than 6 working brain cells.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Has Darkfall failed yet?
You better believe it... Darkfall, the original concept of it all, is exactly the game I have been longing for since I began with UO as my first MMO, right on release day. But with this forum and the followers of this badly managed pice of art, with their maginary claims, their CONSTANT trolling and abusing of ANYONE that speak about Darkfall in ANY tone less than extatic. Even neutral people, asking a polite question, get cut down to firewood witin 5 posts after entering their curious query... And what is the tool they use to trash the whole MO community? Lies... fantasies and imaginary facts made up on the spot... Complete fabrications from people that know nothing, and most of them has not even played a real sandbox MMO before, MOST of the real diehard Darkfall followers are actually ex WoW players, that thought "hey.. PvP was kinda kewl.. I wonder if i can do that wihtout guards chasing me all the time?" Then come here and pretend they started with Ultima Online... when they were 4-9 years old apparently, because 80% of the are less than 25 years old.
Darkfall would have stood a chance... even in a semibroken state at release, better chance than Dark and Light and a lot better chance than Roma Victor... were it not for its following of imbecilles. They.. and none other.. not even Tasos.. are the ones that are making sure Darkfall is a doomed amateur project. because seriously... Who will ever want to hear this pile of baloonheads in your chat box 24/7? Not me.. Not anyone with more than 6 working brain cells.
Which doesnt include u, since all u do is bash the followers of the game, whom u have apparently blamed for the state of the game itself.
-Darkstar