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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

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  • robertbrobertb Member UncommonPosts: 684
    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    Indeed.

     

    Though the dragon was exploited because te AI broke...

     

    ...and as far as I have seen so far, that is the only way any dragon has been killed so far. That way being an exploit of the AI.

  • faxnadufaxnadu Member UncommonPosts: 940

    well known wow guild, ooooo bow to well know wow guild players. bleh.

    besides the dragon is not even dead.

     

  • TalRashaTalRasha Member UncommonPosts: 827
    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.



     

    That is an empty statement, since there is 0 thinking involved in this dragon vid.

    It's really hard to see if you were being sarcastic here. If you really wanted to praise EVE on the required thinking, then you should first find a DF example where thinking actually is involved, and then say that in EVE you would have to think even more.

  • TalRashaTalRasha Member UncommonPosts: 827
    Originally posted by robertb

    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    Indeed.

     

    Though the dragon was exploited because te AI broke...

     

    ...and as far as I have seen so far, that is the only way any dragon has been killed so far. That way being an exploit of the AI.



     

    This is good news actually.

    I was under the impression that this was how a dragon fight in DF was intended.

    If it is just a bugged AI, then there is still hope for something a bit more impressive.

  • robertbrobertb Member UncommonPosts: 684
    Originally posted by TalRasha

    Originally posted by robertb

    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    Indeed.

     

    Though the dragon was exploited because te AI broke...

     

    ...and as far as I have seen so far, that is the only way any dragon has been killed so far. That way being an exploit of the AI.



     

    This is good news actually.

    I was under the impression that this was how a dragon fight in DF was intended.

    If it is just a bugged AI, then there is still hope for something a bit more impressive.

     

    Yes, this is the case.

     

    As I have said, I have yet to see a dragon go down without using an exploit of some kind.

     

    I imagine that once AV finish their launch process, this stuff will get fixed.

     

    I have faith in this because some of the other AI is simply great, so they know how to do it. Just need to address the bugs in the others.

  • huxflux2004huxflux2004 Member Posts: 730

    I believe that the fanboys trying to hype/advertise their game, should better hide videos like this. It looks really really bad. The dragon mesh-maps are ok-ish, the animations are bad/inexistent, the environment is bad, the AI is a joke, the particle effects are nowhere, the whole strategy/tactics of the group are "point the dragon with the mouse and click".

     

    It looks like a prealpha video from a 5 years old game.

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by huxflux2004


    I believe that the fanboys trying to hype/advertise their game, should better hide videos like this. It looks really really bad. The dragon mesh-maps are ok-ish, the animations are bad/inexistent, the environment is bad, the AI is a joke, the particle effects are nowhere, the whole strategy/tactics of the group are "point the dragon with the mouse and click".
     
    It looks like a prealpha video from a 5 years old game.

     

    Let it go man, the game is fun to play it has decent graphics and more potential customers then it can handle..

    For the dragon hunters in game it was an exciting experience. You can badtalk all you want you won't change their excitement nor the fun.. but i would really suggest you to relax and find you something you enjoy as new hobby..it is more healthy..

    What would a fan have from advertiose the game..Loading qeues? serious ..i do not like many people in my games .. i like a dedicated playerbase who loves the game ..instead of masses of people you wanna try to change the game whine and cry about features the had in others games and dont adapt and learn something new..

    small playerbase for the win ..

    What i dislike is if someone try to don't make this game justice..The immense amount of hatebots  and trolls for years who dont learn their lesson .. 

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • RaiizeRaiize Member Posts: 16
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by huxflux2004


    I believe that the fanboys trying to hype/advertise their game, should better hide videos like this. It looks really really bad. The dragon mesh-maps are ok-ish, the animations are bad/inexistent, the environment is bad, the AI is a joke, the particle effects are nowhere, the whole strategy/tactics of the group are "point the dragon with the mouse and click".
     
    It looks like a prealpha video from a 5 years old game.

     

    Let it go man, the game is fun to play it has decent graphics and more potential customers then it can handle..

    For the dragon hunters in game it was an exciting experience. You can badtalk all you want you won't change their excitement nor the fun.. but i would really suggest you to relax and find you something you enjoy as new hobby..it is more healthy..

    What would a fan have from advertiose the game..Loading qeues? serious ..i do not like many people in my games .. i like a dedicated playerbase who loves the game ..instead of masses of people you wanna try to change the game whine and cry about features the had in others games and dont adapt and learn something new..

    small playerbase for the win ..

    What i dislike is if someone try to don't make this game justice..The immense amount of hatebots  and trolls for years who dont learn their lesson .. 

    the fact that gms are running around kicking and banning people as it where a private server makes you not wanna buy it either apart from that terrible video the game is just a failure and thats a fact and the worst ive seen so far that il tell anyone why not to buy this game is when someone who was walking around got kicked by a gm cause the gm was standing in that area? LOL? why shouldint someone go whereever he wants when he fucking payed for the game?

  • HahhnsHahhns Member Posts: 210

    not the 1st dragon kill , lol we kill the black  one and the bone dragon several times as soon as the game was ready

  • Mr_HandMr_Hand Member Posts: 185
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by huxflux2004


    I believe that the fanboys trying to hype/advertise their game, should better hide videos like this. It looks really really bad. The dragon mesh-maps are ok-ish, the animations are bad/inexistent, the environment is bad, the AI is a joke, the particle effects are nowhere, the whole strategy/tactics of the group are "point the dragon with the mouse and click".
     
    It looks like a prealpha video from a 5 years old game.

     

    Let it go man, the game is fun to play it has decent graphics and more potential customers then it can handle..

    For the dragon hunters in game it was an exciting experience. You can badtalk all you want you won't change their excitement nor the fun.. but i would really suggest you to relax and find you something you enjoy as new hobby..it is more healthy..

    What would a fan have from advertiose the game..Loading qeues? serious ..i do not like many people in my games .. i like a dedicated playerbase who loves the game ..instead of masses of people you wanna try to change the game whine and cry about features the had in others games and dont adapt and learn something new..

    small playerbase for the win ..

    What i dislike is if someone try to don't make this game justice..The immense amount of hatebots  and trolls for years who dont learn their lesson .. 

     

    Exactly..   Darth, you need to let this game go! Stop defending it and let it die. Stop making excusses or telling white lies.  This game is trash! It's not even worth a free dowload and $5.99/month, because it doesn't work as intended and combat is broken.

     

    If you get all excited about that and feel compelled to defend a poorly made game, then I have pity on you!

     

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  • gringemoregringemore Member Posts: 182

    Well grats again Serenity. I am needing some revenge on the red dragon that flies around Rubaiyat that bastard fried me quite a few times , one day I'll return the favor.

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by robertb

    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    Indeed.

     

    Though the dragon was exploited because te AI broke...

     

    ...and as far as I have seen so far, that is the only way any dragon has been killed so far. That way being an exploit of the AI.

    Hopefully you are correct.

     

     

    If killing Dragons is supposed to be one of the pinnacles of PvE accomplishment in DarkFall... it would be bad for the PvE aspect of the game if players were able to complete it within the first few days the game was Released. 

     

    Hopefully they have fixing the AI on some of their mobs near the top of the priority list.  The water exploit has been on-going for quite some time now, as I know a few people in Beta bugged it long ago.  There were also a number of threads on the Beta boards that should have made the Devs aware of the issue. 

     

    To be fair though... most MMOs do not get all the bugs fixed from Beta before they get Released.  Hopefully they will get it fixed soon. 

     

     

     

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by xzyax

    Originally posted by robertb

    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    Indeed.

     

    Though the dragon was exploited because te AI broke...

     

    ...and as far as I have seen so far, that is the only way any dragon has been killed so far. That way being an exploit of the AI.

    Hopefully you are correct.

     

     

    If killing Dragons is supposed to be one of the pinnacles of PvE accomplishment in DarkFall... it would be bad for the PvE aspect of the game if players were able to complete it within the first few days the game was Released. 

     

    Hopefully they have fixing the AI on some of their mobs near the top of the priority list.  The water exploit has been on-going for quite some time now, as I know a few people in Beta bugged it long ago.  There were also a number of threads on the Beta boards that should have made the Devs aware of the issue. 

     

    To be fair though... most MMOs do not get all the bugs fixed from Beta before they get Released.  Hopefully they will get it fixed soon. 

     

     

     

     

    Well the world is a sandbox..if some dragon hunter go out for the dragon to hunt it they will  do it..no level restrictions on content unlike other mediocre games..

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • KvatchKvatch Member Posts: 44

    You AoC guys are spoiled with them graphics. Wow people rofl stfu. I'm pretty sure this dragon in the pic and the video looks a million times better than a pokemon puff the magic wow dragon cartoon , like wow's graphics. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed both games for a short time, get off your high horse Darkfall is a blast.

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by Mr_Hand

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by huxflux2004


    I believe that the fanboys trying to hype/advertise their game, should better hide videos like this. It looks really really bad. The dragon mesh-maps are ok-ish, the animations are bad/inexistent, the environment is bad, the AI is a joke, the particle effects are nowhere, the whole strategy/tactics of the group are "point the dragon with the mouse and click".
     
    It looks like a prealpha video from a 5 years old game.

     

    Let it go man, the game is fun to play it has decent graphics and more potential customers then it can handle..

    For the dragon hunters in game it was an exciting experience. You can badtalk all you want you won't change their excitement nor the fun.. but i would really suggest you to relax and find you something you enjoy as new hobby..it is more healthy..

    What would a fan have from advertiose the game..Loading qeues? serious ..i do not like many people in my games .. i like a dedicated playerbase who loves the game ..instead of masses of people you wanna try to change the game whine and cry about features the had in others games and dont adapt and learn something new..

    small playerbase for the win ..

    What i dislike is if someone try to don't make this game justice..The immense amount of hatebots  and trolls for years who dont learn their lesson .. 

     

    Exactly..   Darth, you need to let this game go! Stop defending it and let it die. Stop making excusses or telling white lies.  This game is trash! It's not even worth a free dowload and $5.99/month, because it doesn't work as intended and combat is broken.

     

    If you get all excited about that and feel compelled to defend a poorly made game, then I have pity on you!

     

     

    If you confident in that it will die..Why you try so hard in many,   many  threads to state your hater negative opinion..you would simply believe it will die and go away.. why would you beat something is dead ?

    You don't like it ..? fair enough ..it isn't for anyone.

    What is important for me is people i daily play with like it ..and it looks like a lot of others too..so much others that is constantly sold out and server full of players.. LOL

     

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • javacjavac Member Posts: 1,175
    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    what a fucking crock, eve's PVE is simple as.

     

    1) lookup resistance/damage type of rat

    2) fit appropriate hardeners based on (1)

    3) warp to belt/bookmark

    4) target mobs, press orbit, turn on tank, press F1-Fx

     

    EVE PVE is braindead simple as, and it says a lot about you that you're so eager to jump on every tiny little thing in DF you perceieve as a fault and then come out with something like this about EVE PVE.

     

    Fitting out a ship in EVE is quite similar to DF: am i fitting for speed or armour (cloth or chain)? magic, archery or melee? shield or armour tanking (literally)? what is the main damage type of the mobs i'm facing?

     

    at least in DF you need to aim, move & dodge... I can kill 99% of PVE mobs in EVE while AFK in my ratting Domi.

     

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by javac

    Originally posted by miagisan


    you guys may mock EVE combat, but there's a hell of a lot more thinking and involvement in EVE than this dragon vid.

     

    what a fucking crock, eve's PVE is simple as.

     

    1) lookup resistance/damage type of rat

    2) fit appropriate hardeners based on (1)

    3) warp to belt/bookmark

    4) target mobs, press orbit, turn on tank, press F1-Fx

     

    EVE PVE is braindead simple as, and it says a lot about you that you're so eager to jump on every tiny little thing in DF you perceieve as a fault and then come out with something like this about EVE PVE.

     

    Fitting out a ship in EVE is quite similar to DF: am i fitting for speed or armour (cloth or chain)? magic, archery or melee? shield or armour tanking (literally)? what is the main damage type of the mobs i'm facing?

     

    at least in DF you need to aim, move & dodge... I can kill 99% of PVE mobs in EVE while AFK in my ratting Domi.

     

     

    really? have you tried the sleepers or higher quality lvl 4 missions, no way in hell you are running those solo. The sleepers (wormhole npcs) you better bring an armada, and ones which know what they are doing. Those npcs are as smart as anything. Watched them in action on SiSi....best AI i have seen to date. And even in my pew pew harbinger, i am constantly changing tactics on lvl 4 missions, close range, long range, healing, jamming, support, i change my tactic depending on situation and who is getting attacked.

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  • javacjavac Member Posts: 1,175
    Originally posted by miagisan

    really? have you tried the sleepers or higher quality lvl 4 missions, no way in hell you are running those solo. The sleepers (wormhole npcs) you better bring an armada, and ones which know what they are doing. Those npcs are as smart as anything. Watched them in action on SiSi....best AI i have seen to date. And even in my pew pew harbinger, i am constantly changing tactics on lvl 4 missions, close range, long range, healing, jamming, support, i change my tactic depending on situation and who is getting attacked.

    the sleepers missions just came out today.... eve has had terrible, WOW-, AoC & WAR-level AI for 5 years.

     

    i love EVE too but trying to write off DF's PVE when you haven't even played  it using a horribly flawed example makes your opinion worthless.

     

    DF's PVE is kinda basic but it is still an order of magnitude above your average WOW/WAR/EVE/AoC mob. No reason that DF couldn't add WOW-style gimmick-oriented scripted boss encounters now or in the future though.

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by javac

    Originally posted by miagisan

    really? have you tried the sleepers or higher quality lvl 4 missions, no way in hell you are running those solo. The sleepers (wormhole npcs) you better bring an armada, and ones which know what they are doing. Those npcs are as smart as anything. Watched them in action on SiSi....best AI i have seen to date. And even in my pew pew harbinger, i am constantly changing tactics on lvl 4 missions, close range, long range, healing, jamming, support, i change my tactic depending on situation and who is getting attacked.

    the sleepers missions just came out today.... eve has had terrible, WOW-, AoC & WAR-level AI for 5 years.

     

    i love EVE too but trying to write off DF's PVE when you haven't even played  it using a horribly flawed example makes your opinion worthless.

     

    DF's PVE is kinda basic but it is still an order of magnitude above your average WOW/WAR/EVE/AoC mob. No reason that DF couldn't add WOW-style gimmick-oriented scripted boss encounters now or in the future though.

    i was comparing "end game" NPCs. Your dragon's to level 4 missions in EVE...and sorry, but eve level 4 missions require an infinite amount of thought more than hacking that dragon up.

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  • tombear81tombear81 Member Posts: 810

     Awww gawds... are peoples still posting the video of the big rubber dragon (furry pron ?) being hit by the circle jerk one mode of attack. It totally reveals exactly how many modes of attack DF has and how important blocking is (i.e. zero). Cause unlikes half the PVP videos the dragon stands still and does goe Benny on our asses. 

    Though I do like the Linda Blair moments when it revolves round. Wooo hooo !

    Anyone else would try and bury the video. Talk about enough rope to hang yer self wth... 

  • luckturtzluckturtz Member Posts: 422

     

    Wow that is second video of darkfall that makes me not want to play it.I have two monster computers that should be able to run df on its high settings but stuff like video are beginning to make me doubt descion to try df for myself know matter what. I know df grapics are ok,but what was horrible.

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden


     
    Well the world is a sandbox..if some dragon hunter go out for the dragon to hunt it they will  do it..no level restrictions on content unlike other mediocre games..



     

    Well, no level restrictions except for all the skill-level pre-requisite restrictions of having to have your skill level at a certain level before you can do something, or use something, or learn something... barring those yup, no level restrictions. 

  • javacjavac Member Posts: 1,175
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by javac

    Originally posted by miagisan

    really? have you tried the sleepers or higher quality lvl 4 missions, no way in hell you are running those solo. The sleepers (wormhole npcs) you better bring an armada, and ones which know what they are doing. Those npcs are as smart as anything. Watched them in action on SiSi....best AI i have seen to date. And even in my pew pew harbinger, i am constantly changing tactics on lvl 4 missions, close range, long range, healing, jamming, support, i change my tactic depending on situation and who is getting attacked.

    the sleepers missions just came out today.... eve has had terrible, WOW-, AoC & WAR-level AI for 5 years.

     

    i love EVE too but trying to write off DF's PVE when you haven't even played  it using a horribly flawed example makes your opinion worthless.

     

    DF's PVE is kinda basic but it is still an order of magnitude above your average WOW/WAR/EVE/AoC mob. No reason that DF couldn't add WOW-style gimmick-oriented scripted boss encounters now or in the future though.

    i was comparing "end game" NPCs. Your dragon's to level 4 missions in EVE...and sorry, but eve level 4 missions require an infinite amount of thought more than hacking that dragon up.

     

    I was talking about L4 missions. I can do them *AFK* in a dominix. EVE PVE doesn't require any aiming at all, just orbit at optimal range & autoattack. in my Domi, warp into room, agro mobs, release drones, go AFK, come back in 5-10 mins and tractor beam loot.

     

     

  • javacjavac Member Posts: 1,175
    Originally posted by tombear81

    Anyone else would try and bury the video. Talk about enough rope to hang yer self wth... 

     

    you realise you're referring to a mob in beta that was bugged, right?

     

    talk about hanging yourself indeed...

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