I'm sorry to say...........25 man achievements are far more easier then all the 10 man. If you're telling me 25 man sarth 3D is HARDER then 10 man sarth 3d. you sir are a complete idiot. I'm not even going to armoury you, just by reading your posts, you don't know wtf you're talking about. I like challenge so I just simply build a new group for naxx, sarth, w/e every week. Nothing is more challenging then not being with the same group each time. So bite me, if you want challenge don't rely on blizzard do it. Go challenge yourself you spoiled kid.
Achievements are a cheap way of keeping players hooked.
Take a look at www.wowjutsu.com/world/ , I interpret the low percentage completing certain achievements as "why would anyone bother doing that?" rather than players not being good enough.
Take the explorer achievement: visit every single zone in the game and get...nothing. Oh wait you do get a Title, "The Explorer". Whoop de do! Quite honestly I look at some of them and I just think why bother. I just like to see the content not spend a year minimum getting a slightly different coloured flying mount.
How about the Battlemaster achievement which is estimated to take ages and at the end of it you get a title "Battlemaster".
For me, achievements are all about bragging rights nothing more. Some of them are extremely difficult, but it is mostly down to time played and The Grind, they add no value to the game, new dungeons and raids do!
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Well put. I am a very casual player that recently got my son started and doing Refer a friend triple XP so we are leveling quickly. We play casual because he only get's 1 hr a night and 2 on Saturday. Very refreshing to know there are more casual players out there I always end up in a PUG with Whiners. Relax and enjoy the game.
What they have done is what they have done to WOW as a whole not just Northrend. They have nerfed this game to the point where a 5 yr old can play it . Elite mobs are no longer elite. Sucker a buddy into the game and get free xp...it goes on and on.
Some friends talked me into coming back for Wotlk (quit not long into BC). Took my tank to Northrend in crappy AH bought greens and still cake walked enough quests to get me "properly geared again, making it even easier.
I'm sure some of the end game stuff and "hard" mode is just that: hard. No way I could stomach virtually sleepwalking through another 10 levels to find out though.
I've been raiding since the MC days and have seen how raiding has progressed in WoW. I even still have my full set of t1/2 gear and various other weapons (Zin'Rhok is my prized baby) on my hunter. I left the game prior to the big raid nerf that cut all the bosses in half in TBC.
I've recently come back and decided to roll a druid as they were in short supply. It took me almost a month and a half to get him from lvl 20 to somewhat raid geared. I wasn't rushing. I wasn't min/maxing. I wasn't trying to show everyone I could do it. I have 3 kids and a wife that won't let me do that. I can honestly say the content has gone soft. Period.
The "hardest" fights in Naxx were some guy that gushed lava from the floor, a polarity fight, and a fight which is mostly healing. The only time I died from something stupid was a void zone in KT because I had the camera at an awkward angle and I didn't see the graphic. That was all in 25 man content. It didn't even compare to the early days of Kara. It didn't compare to ZG, which is the daddy of the 25 mans. It was a dam loot pinata.
Malygos was laughable. The only thing that really threw me off was at what point I should hit the /follow tank macro. Again, a lol worthy experience. Wierd fight, but laughable. Sarth is all about situational awareness. We haven't tried 3d yet for whatever reason, but I'm sure we'll handle it.
My point is, the whole experience of the raiding content, right now, boils down to a statement I made to the raidlead when we finished Sarth2d in one shot "That's it?". That's just me. The content might be hard for others but I use common sense when raiding ei: don't stand in shit that hurts.
Dioren, the content is not hard. It is easy. It is easy on purpose, to let everyone see Naxxramas. It is entry level raid content as it was stated many times. Raiding will get progressively harder as we move through the expansion. We won't see another Sunwell Plateau tuned instance or at least not whole. But there will be fights matching and maybe surpasing the difficulty of Kil'Jaeden and M'uru. And it's good. Most raiders will get to see the content and there will be challenge for those who like it. This seems like a pretty good deal to me.
This whole thread reeks of hate. I can sum it up like this -
1) - A lot of the people who played wow from pre-bc (vanilla) still play wow. Why? We find it amusing, blizzard keeps us entertained in some way. Ive been around since 1 month after the game launched, and im still playing.
2) - If all you did was read these forums, you would think WoW was a dying game, its playerbase hated the game, blizzard sucked as a developer, and that the game never got content expansions. All of which are COMPLETELY WRONG.
3) - WoW is geared towards casuals more then hardcore, but if your looking for a challenge you can find it yourself by tuning up the difficulty on the dungeon your doing, or try and get the achevements.
4) - Achevements keep people going to the original WoW (Eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor). If everyone was only in Northrend or Outland, it leaves the beginning 1-60 area dead. WoW developers are trying to keep people moving around ALL of the game world, and not just one part of it.
5) - Check siggy if you think im lying about the time invested in playing. The hate on this thread is very prevolent.
I know Naxx is supposed to be an entry lvl raid dungeon like Ubrs/Lbrs and Kara before it. The difference is, those instances were actually hard when they first came out. They had to tone down the difficulty of those dungeons to make it more accessible to people and what did it lead to? Nerfing content that had previously taken a good bit of skill to get through. The main reason I left was the big content nerf to raid bosses in TBC. I was pissed that all the time and effort I put in on fights was wasted and anyone could breeze through it.
It pains me even opening this thread in the first place but..people,the content put in northrend up to this point is yes-just the begining.How i know this?One i know a guy who works at blizzard and can tell me up coming info before anyone else gets it *that means you guys/girls*.Go ahead rage all you want about (yeah right thats just a bunch of bull %#$@)(why dont you tell us whats coming up next after the big release of Uldar).
Well its because i dont have to,so stop complaining so much on the threads because a blizzard employee will never ever take the time to look at this site and pop open this god forsaken FAIL topic about northrend difficulty.Because you want to know why?Blizzard doesnt want you blowing through this expansion so easliy and just willy nilly getting the SHINEY PURPLE weapons and gear (giggedy).They want you to all wait till uldar sets in and the more upcoming content to come.
ULDAR HAS NEW GEAR FOR YOU TO GET SO YOU CAN GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES AND EASLY***(not really easly for everyone because nothings easy right now)COMPLETE TASKS WITHIN THE GAME.After all you most of you are at 77+ by now and it is just a game.Remember that golden rule-the better gear and weapons you got the more EPIC and POWERFUL you become.
Makes complete sience so no more kids come on this thread and range on.Go tell you mom's to buy you a new time card and play the game rather than post crap and acting like you know what your talking about.
i know a guy who works at blizzard and can tell me up coming info before anyone else gets it *that means you guys/girls* Sure you do, none of us have ever heard that before. Comical at best, nice try champ. From someone who has no idea what hes talking about. Fixed
Great job,you noticed a couple of errors.Want a certificate for good student of the month? And anyway like i said,can you prove that..champ?
I wasn't the one pointing out errors, learn to read.
Besides, the burden of proof isn't on my shoulders, champ, it's on yours. You made the ridiculous claim about knowing a Blizzard employee, it is your responsibility to prove it, period.
It is obvious that you are lying anyways. What a poor attempt at grabbing attention, typical teenage behavior at it's very best, so predictable.
As if the ramblings of a fifteen year old child hold any merit regardless, you are trying way too hard, you need to accept your age and grow up. Instead of trying to fake being an adult, when you clearly are anything but.
I liked WOW. I recently cancelled. WOTLK was severely dissappointing. 3 pocket raids and a reused dungeon from vanilla (dont give me that tired excuse no one saw it as I know for a fact 90% of all major guilds on my server at least killed a few bosses before BC), heroics that only add more numbers, a new battle that results in an offensive win 100% due to lag and completely overused item models
3.1 isnt anything special, a new raid with every boss having a "hard mode". Great so we get to grind easy mode to gear up for hard mode, I cant believe fanboys can stick up for this. Seems to me they are just trying to keep you busy and milk your subs as long as possible with only providing the bare minimal return.
You know, everyone cites the nerfing of Kara. It's legendary. What no one notices is that what they 'nerfed' were ERRORS.
Lets look at the hideous 'nerfs'
Opera
- BUFFED Big Bad Wolf, increasing damage, health, difficulty.
- NERFED Romeo. Pre-nerf, Romeo was the hardest hitting boss in the instance (harder than prince or nightbane) which made it nearly impossible to do without grinding tank loots (as he could quickly crush non-epicced tanks)
NET: Made 3 encounters have equal difficulty instead of an easy encounter, a moderate encounter, and a nearly impossible cock-block.
Shade of Aran
- NERFED Flame Wreath. Flame Wreath used to trigger off a number of abilities and hunter pets, making it virtually impossible to do the fight consistently (it would randomly detonate even in no pet, no movement environments)
NET: Made the boss possible to learn, instead of a random-ass murder spree that rewarded you for reading forums to learn the random abilities that would trigger it (totally unrelated to movement), kicking your hunters and warlocks from the raid, and made the fight fair, instead of a punishment to casual raiders.
Nightbane
NERFED: Skeletons, raid damage.
NET: A 15 minute hell encounter that was nearly impossible for raids that had priest/druid healers as only shammies and holy pallies (mainly pallies) could take the skeleton hits when it spawned on them. That created an encounter that could only reliably be beaten by guilds with holy pallies, thanks to spell knockback mechanics. Preferably two of them.
So the legendary kara 'nerf' was a bugfix.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
I liked WOW. I recently cancelled. WOTLK was severely dissappointing. 3 pocket raids and a reused dungeon from vanilla (dont give me that tired excuse no one saw it as I know for a fact 90% of all major guilds on my server at least killed a few bosses before BC), heroics that only add more numbers, a new battle that results in an offensive win 100% due to lag and completely overused item models 3.1 isnt anything special, a new raid with every boss having a "hard mode". Great so we get to grind easy mode to gear up for hard mode, I cant believe fanboys can stick up for this. Seems to me they are just trying to keep you busy and milk your subs as long as possible with only providing the bare minimal return.
Fail: No one saw Nax before (if you count 1% as "all" you are silly).
Furthermore there is one complete open world PvP zone AND a new BG: Strand
Since you didn't know that it is PROOF you didn't even play.
In the new patch you are not even aware of the content also:
You forgot the new Colloseum construction (with the aid of the complete server).
The Arena PVE Colleseum mounted fights.
A 14 (!)boss Raid.
A complete revamped Arena rating
And of course the new exciting dual specs for every class.
Go whine somewhere else and don't forget to play the crappy competition.
If you CITE something, why even ignore 80% of the new patch content.-----> pure proof of trolling ----> that ways pls.
And using the word "fanboy" shows very much you are trolling in our forums (so better "read" the features of Wotlk better because you just stood in your underpants by not knowing even obvious things of WotLK).
You don't have to get so upset just because someone doesn't like WoW or WotLK. It's ok, really, they are allowed not to like it.
I like WoW, played it during BC. Quit over summer before WotLK because I found that I was soo bored in game, I would just fly around in circles in Shatt chatting with people. WoW had basically become a chat room for me that cost $15 a month.
I came back when WotLK came out, bought it, but didn't get very far in it. I couldn't stand the terribly redundant and boring quests they force you to do to level. I didn't really care what things were awaiting at endgame because I knew they were mostly things I had already seen or done before - Unbalanced Arenas, Raids that you have to run over and over again until you get enough good gear to move onto the next raid, rinse and repeat. Daily quests that extend the boredom and redundancy of the leveling quests. Rep grinds, Grinding BG's, not because they are fun(they are the first few times a day), but because you have to in order to get better PvP gear so that you can hold your own anywhere in PvP.
Sure, I missed out on Lake Wintergrasp, which I was looking forward to. But I wasn't about to make myself plow through that sea of boredom just so that I could be max level again.
So yes, I didn't like WotLK either. It's ok. You love it, thats fine too. Arguing over facts is one thing, but telling people their opinion is wrong is futile.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf We downed Onyxia with 2 - nice fight btw - (for another guy who didn't even see the dragon before) and got me a nice 18 slot bag for the bank and 30 gold each. Tomorrow I do the solo Alliance fishing in Ogrimmar ) and just had my my Thrall head achievement in Ogrimmar. All tx to achievements.
When the OP was talking about the previously poor soloing capability of his priest, I couldn't help remembering - wasn't it a pair of shadow priests who were the first to 2-man Onxyia at 70?
The OP said he was a holy Priest. One of the best played holy Priests I ever knew soloed without difficulty and he soloed things that pretty much no one else could solo unless they had uber gear and really knew what they were doing. He knew what he was doing of course too, but he wasn't epic'ed out. And this was before TBC was even released so no help from +spell. His gear was primarily +healing though I think he kept a few items with +holy damage as well on them.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the OP can do a 3 character group quest on a holy Priest. In fact, I'd say that holy Priest would be one of the best characters to do something like that on especially if he has some purples and blues from TBC. But even that isn't necessary. The changes to +spell have really helped healers out, which is also why resto Druids are now good at soloing too. He said yellow so it's hard to tell if that means exactly at his level or just a little under, since some yellow quests do have green elites.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Since they designed the expansion to be heavily "user friendly" like this if they made the slightest change and this caused quests to be more time consuming or "challenging" you would have millions of people protesting about that than the quests being too easy.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
My brother phoned me tonight. He is leveling his warlock as a level 69 in Northrend. He finds it hard. Mobs come in groups of 5 and ... his clothy is much more fragile than his older epic lvl 70 fully geared plate Paladin 5 months ago. I didn't find much difference with my rogue (but we have far more tools to vanish etc and I was dressed in season 5 gear)... Other friends also said the cloth classes that are NOT fully dressed in epic gear have a much more difficult time in Northrend. --- I don't care much about open world difficulty as I always look up PvP in those level ups and so they are extremely fun - but - it shows your "average" level up avatar can't be compared with a fully geared epic level 70. ---- Guys saying above the quests in Wotlk are "boring" are the real laugh in this thread, because WotlK has hundreds of mini games which are much more varied than standard quests (and like I said in the PvP process it is even far more fun). These guys show up here suddenly - without even the basic playing of LW or ANY dungeon or WotlK Raid experience or ANY arena play these last few weeks - and they STILL come bumping in to spit complete meaningless opinions of gaming content they didn't even touch . The latest arena results show how things already changed since patch 3.08 and they still cite these things of 4 months ago. Pure and utterly trolling. Their egos simply are just too big to play a Blizzard game. Perhaps they deserve a Mark Jacobs. )))
I'm often curious too, when people say WOW quests are boring, what game do they consider to have exciting quests?
While WOW does have some 'kill 15 of x' type quests in Northrend, there really aren't that many. Most of the quests have unique twists. Then they throw in crazy quests every once in awhile, like where you ride onthe back of the huge guy in Zul drak, or fly on a dragon in Dragonblight.. not to mention the crazy dk quests.
But the question is.. if northrend quests are boring.. what game has more exciting quests?
If northrend pvp is boring ( SotA and WG), what game has exciting pvp? Both AOC and Warhammer have dumbed down versions of Wintergrasp. In Warhammer, you can't move seige weapons and only the front door is desctructable.... in AOC.. well.. LOL.. everything is inferior to WG.
If WOW raids are boring... what game has better raids? Warhammer has very few dungeons and they are very lame. AOC has a few endgame raids, most of which are broken.. and the ones that do work have bosses that are just tank/spank with no phases or special abilities. The bosses in Wrath's heroic dungeons have more AI by far than anything in any other game. Those games are still in the 'more hps, more damage' mode when trying to create difficult encounters. Mentally go through the heroic dungeons in wrath and think about the cool abilities and AI that are going on. Then imagine playing AOC and Warhammer where every single boss is like a mini-patchwerk.
EVE is the only game that has pvp better than WOW's, and it has almost no real quests, no real pve and no raids.
Again, if WOW is boring in Raiding, Questing and PVP.. what games are better?
My brother phoned me tonight. He is leveling his warlock as a level 69 in Northrend. He finds it hard. Mobs come in groups of 5 and ... his clothy is much more fragile than his older epic lvl 70 fully geared plate Paladin 5 months ago. I didn't find much difference with my rogue (but we have far more tools to vanish etc and I was dressed in season 5 gear)... Other friends also said the cloth classes that are NOT fully dressed in epic gear have a much more difficult time in Northrend. --- I don't care much about open world difficulty as I always look up PvP in those level ups and so they are extremely fun - but - it shows your "average" level up avatar can't be compared with a fully geared epic level 70. ---- Guys saying above the quests in Wotlk are "boring" are the real laugh in this thread, because WotlK has hundreds of mini games which are much more varied than standard quests (and like I said in the PvP process it is even far more fun). These guys show up here suddenly - without even the basic playing of LW or ANY dungeon or WotlK Raid experience or ANY arena play these last few weeks - and they STILL come bumping in to spit complete meaningless opinions of gaming content they didn't even touch . The latest arena results show how things already changed since patch 3.08 and they still cite these things of 4 months ago. Pure and utterly trolling. Their egos simply are just too big to play a Blizzard game. Perhaps they deserve a Mark Jacobs. )))
I'm often curious too, when people say WOW quests are boring, what game do they consider to have exciting quests?
While WOW does have some 'kill 15 of x' type quests in Northrend, there really aren't that many. Most of the quests have unique twists. Then they throw in crazy quests every once in awhile, like where you ride onthe back of the huge guy in Zul drak, or fly on a dragon in Dragonblight.. not to mention the crazy dk quests.
But the question is.. if northrend quests are boring.. what game has more exciting quests?
If northrend pvp is boring ( SotA and WG), what game has exciting pvp? Both AOC and Warhammer have dumbed down versions of Wintergrasp. In Warhammer, you can't move seige weapons and only the front door is desctructable.... in AOC.. well.. LOL.. everything is inferior to WG.
If WOW raids are boring... what game has better raids? Warhammer has very few dungeons and they are very lame. AOC has a few endgame raids, most of which are broken.. and the ones that do work have bosses that are just tank/spank with no phases or special abilities. The bosses in Wrath's heroic dungeons have more AI by far than anything in any other game. Those games are still in the 'more hps, more damage' mode when trying to create difficult encounters. Mentally go through the heroic dungeons in wrath and think about the cool abilities and AI that are going on. Then imagine playing AOC and Warhammer where every single boss is like a mini-patchwerk.
EVE is the only game that has pvp better than WOW's, and it has almost no real quests, no real pve and no raids.
Again, if WOW is boring in Raiding, Questing and PVP.. what games are better?
I can name one game that has MUCH better quests than WoW: Guild Wars. Guild Wars has a continuing story arc of fun and engaging quests that I actually enjoy doing. I feel I'd rather chew broken glass than level another character in WoW.
Beyond that, I don't enjoy questing much. I don't enjoy being forced to run boring quests either. I would much rather get a group together and just go kill things, its basically the same thing as WoW quests with the exception that you don't waste time running back and forward to quest givers, and you actually get to socialize with other people. But hey, that is just my opinion.
WoW's PvP can be fun at times, but the emphasis on Arenas is a bit of a downer. I enjoyed Eve's and SWG PvP more than WoW's. But WoW's is still fun.
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There are multiple things discussed at once in this thread and Zorn et al seems to misunderstand what I mean so I will summarize it as follows:
- Blizzard has made dungeons (5-man, heroics and raid content) easier across the board
- Blizzard has released much less content for people that raid actively in the last two years (and seems to in the coming year as well) - please look below for facts (only raid content):
7 Nov 2004 - Molten Core, Onyxia
7 March 2005 - Azuregos, Kazzak
12 July 2005 - BWL
13 Sep 2005 - Zul'Gurub
3 Jan 2006 - AQ20/40
30 June 2006 - Naxxramas
9 January 2007 - Kara, SSC, TK, Gruul, Magtheridon, Doomwalker (Kazzak is a revamp so does not count)
22 May 2007 - BT/Mt Hyjal
13 Nov 2008 - Zul'Aman
25 May 2008 - Sunwell
14 Oct 2008 - Sarth, Malygos, Archavon
May 2009? - Ulduar
At a first glance this might look good. Using a metric such as bosses per month show a drastic reduction though:
2004/2005: 2.14 raid encounters per month
2006: 3.00 raid encounters per month
2007: 4.58 raid encounters per month (the year of the raider!)
2008: 1.33 raid encounters per month
2009: (assuming Ulduar plus one more 'Ulduar' during the year will result in ~2 raid encounters per month which is back to 2004/2005 standard)
If you then add that encounters are becoming much easier than before (which means that the content does not last as long) you understand why raiders are less than happy - and at least on my server that includes basically all guilds from straight casual/friend guilds to the hard-core. If you like to raid WoW is not up to its former standard right now.
Once again we can argue whether this is a good business decision or not, but looking at arena stats for this season (40% less players this season compared to the last) I believe that Blizzard is either spending more time on other projects (my hypothesis) and letting 'go' of WoW a bit, or they do not have their eyes on the ball (which I doubt).
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I'm sorry to say...........25 man achievements are far more easier then all the 10 man. If you're telling me 25 man sarth 3D is HARDER then 10 man sarth 3d. you sir are a complete idiot. I'm not even going to armoury you, just by reading your posts, you don't know wtf you're talking about. I like challenge so I just simply build a new group for naxx, sarth, w/e every week. Nothing is more challenging then not being with the same group each time. So bite me, if you want challenge don't rely on blizzard do it. Go challenge yourself you spoiled kid.
Achievements are a cheap way of keeping players hooked.
Take a look at www.wowjutsu.com/world/ , I interpret the low percentage completing certain achievements as "why would anyone bother doing that?" rather than players not being good enough.
Take the explorer achievement: visit every single zone in the game and get...nothing. Oh wait you do get a Title, "The Explorer". Whoop de do! Quite honestly I look at some of them and I just think why bother. I just like to see the content not spend a year minimum getting a slightly different coloured flying mount.
How about the Battlemaster achievement which is estimated to take ages and at the end of it you get a title "Battlemaster".
For me, achievements are all about bragging rights nothing more. Some of them are extremely difficult, but it is mostly down to time played and The Grind, they add no value to the game, new dungeons and raids do!
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Templarga,
Well put. I am a very casual player that recently got my son started and doing Refer a friend triple XP so we are leveling quickly. We play casual because he only get's 1 hr a night and 2 on Saturday. Very refreshing to know there are more casual players out there I always end up in a PUG with Whiners. Relax and enjoy the game.
What they have done is what they have done to WOW as a whole not just Northrend. They have nerfed this game to the point where a 5 yr old can play it . Elite mobs are no longer elite. Sucker a buddy into the game and get free xp...it goes on and on.
Some friends talked me into coming back for Wotlk (quit not long into BC). Took my tank to Northrend in crappy AH bought greens and still cake walked enough quests to get me "properly geared again, making it even easier.
I'm sure some of the end game stuff and "hard" mode is just that: hard. No way I could stomach virtually sleepwalking through another 10 levels to find out though.
I've been raiding since the MC days and have seen how raiding has progressed in WoW. I even still have my full set of t1/2 gear and various other weapons (Zin'Rhok is my prized baby) on my hunter. I left the game prior to the big raid nerf that cut all the bosses in half in TBC.
I've recently come back and decided to roll a druid as they were in short supply. It took me almost a month and a half to get him from lvl 20 to somewhat raid geared. I wasn't rushing. I wasn't min/maxing. I wasn't trying to show everyone I could do it. I have 3 kids and a wife that won't let me do that. I can honestly say the content has gone soft. Period.
The "hardest" fights in Naxx were some guy that gushed lava from the floor, a polarity fight, and a fight which is mostly healing. The only time I died from something stupid was a void zone in KT because I had the camera at an awkward angle and I didn't see the graphic. That was all in 25 man content. It didn't even compare to the early days of Kara. It didn't compare to ZG, which is the daddy of the 25 mans. It was a dam loot pinata.
Malygos was laughable. The only thing that really threw me off was at what point I should hit the /follow tank macro. Again, a lol worthy experience. Wierd fight, but laughable. Sarth is all about situational awareness. We haven't tried 3d yet for whatever reason, but I'm sure we'll handle it.
My point is, the whole experience of the raiding content, right now, boils down to a statement I made to the raidlead when we finished Sarth2d in one shot "That's it?". That's just me. The content might be hard for others but I use common sense when raiding ei: don't stand in shit that hurts.
Names are.
Dioren
Diorin
on the Quel'Dorei server.
Dioren, the content is not hard. It is easy. It is easy on purpose, to let everyone see Naxxramas. It is entry level raid content as it was stated many times. Raiding will get progressively harder as we move through the expansion. We won't see another Sunwell Plateau tuned instance or at least not whole. But there will be fights matching and maybe surpasing the difficulty of Kil'Jaeden and M'uru. And it's good. Most raiders will get to see the content and there will be challenge for those who like it. This seems like a pretty good deal to me.
'Most powerful is he who controls his own power.'
This whole thread reeks of hate. I can sum it up like this -
1) - A lot of the people who played wow from pre-bc (vanilla) still play wow. Why? We find it amusing, blizzard keeps us entertained in some way. Ive been around since 1 month after the game launched, and im still playing.
2) - If all you did was read these forums, you would think WoW was a dying game, its playerbase hated the game, blizzard sucked as a developer, and that the game never got content expansions. All of which are COMPLETELY WRONG.
3) - WoW is geared towards casuals more then hardcore, but if your looking for a challenge you can find it yourself by tuning up the difficulty on the dungeon your doing, or try and get the achevements.
4) - Achevements keep people going to the original WoW (Eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor). If everyone was only in Northrend or Outland, it leaves the beginning 1-60 area dead. WoW developers are trying to keep people moving around ALL of the game world, and not just one part of it.
5) - Check siggy if you think im lying about the time invested in playing. The hate on this thread is very prevolent.
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It's not hate, it's how folks see the game.
I know Naxx is supposed to be an entry lvl raid dungeon like Ubrs/Lbrs and Kara before it. The difference is, those instances were actually hard when they first came out. They had to tone down the difficulty of those dungeons to make it more accessible to people and what did it lead to? Nerfing content that had previously taken a good bit of skill to get through. The main reason I left was the big content nerf to raid bosses in TBC. I was pissed that all the time and effort I put in on fights was wasted and anyone could breeze through it.
It pains me even opening this thread in the first place but..people,the content put in northrend up to this point is yes-just the begining.How i know this?One i know a guy who works at blizzard and can tell me up coming info before anyone else gets it *that means you guys/girls*.Go ahead rage all you want about (yeah right thats just a bunch of bull %#$@)(why dont you tell us whats coming up next after the big release of Uldar).
Well its because i dont have to,so stop complaining so much on the threads because a blizzard employee will never ever take the time to look at this site and pop open this god forsaken FAIL topic about northrend difficulty.Because you want to know why?Blizzard doesnt want you blowing through this expansion so easliy and just willy nilly getting the SHINEY PURPLE weapons and gear (giggedy).They want you to all wait till uldar sets in and the more upcoming content to come.
ULDAR HAS NEW GEAR FOR YOU TO GET SO YOU CAN GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES AND EASLY***(not really easly for everyone because nothings easy right now)COMPLETE TASKS WITHIN THE GAME.After all you most of you are at 77+ by now and it is just a game.Remember that golden rule-the better gear and weapons you got the more EPIC and POWERFUL you become.
Makes complete sience so no more kids come on this thread and range on.Go tell you mom's to buy you a new time card and play the game rather than post crap and acting like you know what your talking about.
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From someone who knows what hes talking about.
Not only is your post badly spelt and poorly constructed, it actually reads as gibberish and fails to make any point whatsoever.
Great job,you noticed a couple of errors.Want a certificate for good student of the month?
And anyway like i said,can you prove that..champ?
I wasn't the one pointing out errors, learn to read.
Besides, the burden of proof isn't on my shoulders, champ, it's on yours. You made the ridiculous claim about knowing a Blizzard employee, it is your responsibility to prove it, period.
It is obvious that you are lying anyways. What a poor attempt at grabbing attention, typical teenage behavior at it's very best, so predictable.
As if the ramblings of a fifteen year old child hold any merit regardless, you are trying way too hard, you need to accept your age and grow up. Instead of trying to fake being an adult, when you clearly are anything but.
I liked WOW. I recently cancelled. WOTLK was severely dissappointing. 3 pocket raids and a reused dungeon from vanilla (dont give me that tired excuse no one saw it as I know for a fact 90% of all major guilds on my server at least killed a few bosses before BC), heroics that only add more numbers, a new battle that results in an offensive win 100% due to lag and completely overused item models
3.1 isnt anything special, a new raid with every boss having a "hard mode". Great so we get to grind easy mode to gear up for hard mode, I cant believe fanboys can stick up for this. Seems to me they are just trying to keep you busy and milk your subs as long as possible with only providing the bare minimal return.
You know, everyone cites the nerfing of Kara. It's legendary. What no one notices is that what they 'nerfed' were ERRORS.
Lets look at the hideous 'nerfs'
Opera
- BUFFED Big Bad Wolf, increasing damage, health, difficulty.
- NERFED Romeo. Pre-nerf, Romeo was the hardest hitting boss in the instance (harder than prince or nightbane) which made it nearly impossible to do without grinding tank loots (as he could quickly crush non-epicced tanks)
NET: Made 3 encounters have equal difficulty instead of an easy encounter, a moderate encounter, and a nearly impossible cock-block.
Shade of Aran
- NERFED Flame Wreath. Flame Wreath used to trigger off a number of abilities and hunter pets, making it virtually impossible to do the fight consistently (it would randomly detonate even in no pet, no movement environments)
NET: Made the boss possible to learn, instead of a random-ass murder spree that rewarded you for reading forums to learn the random abilities that would trigger it (totally unrelated to movement), kicking your hunters and warlocks from the raid, and made the fight fair, instead of a punishment to casual raiders.
Nightbane
NERFED: Skeletons, raid damage.
NET: A 15 minute hell encounter that was nearly impossible for raids that had priest/druid healers as only shammies and holy pallies (mainly pallies) could take the skeleton hits when it spawned on them. That created an encounter that could only reliably be beaten by guilds with holy pallies, thanks to spell knockback mechanics. Preferably two of them.
So the legendary kara 'nerf' was a bugfix.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Fail: No one saw Nax before (if you count 1% as "all" you are silly).
Furthermore there is one complete open world PvP zone AND a new BG: Strand
Since you didn't know that it is PROOF you didn't even play.
In the new patch you are not even aware of the content also:
You forgot the new Colloseum construction (with the aid of the complete server).
The Arena PVE Colleseum mounted fights.
A 14 (!)boss Raid.
A complete revamped Arena rating
And of course the new exciting dual specs for every class.
Go whine somewhere else and don't forget to play the crappy competition.
If you CITE something, why even ignore 80% of the new patch content.-----> pure proof of trolling ----> that ways pls.
And using the word "fanboy" shows very much you are trolling in our forums (so better "read" the features of Wotlk better because you just stood in your underpants by not knowing even obvious things of WotLK).
You don't have to get so upset just because someone doesn't like WoW or WotLK. It's ok, really, they are allowed not to like it.
I like WoW, played it during BC. Quit over summer before WotLK because I found that I was soo bored in game, I would just fly around in circles in Shatt chatting with people. WoW had basically become a chat room for me that cost $15 a month.
I came back when WotLK came out, bought it, but didn't get very far in it. I couldn't stand the terribly redundant and boring quests they force you to do to level. I didn't really care what things were awaiting at endgame because I knew they were mostly things I had already seen or done before - Unbalanced Arenas, Raids that you have to run over and over again until you get enough good gear to move onto the next raid, rinse and repeat. Daily quests that extend the boredom and redundancy of the leveling quests. Rep grinds, Grinding BG's, not because they are fun(they are the first few times a day), but because you have to in order to get better PvP gear so that you can hold your own anywhere in PvP.
Sure, I missed out on Lake Wintergrasp, which I was looking forward to. But I wasn't about to make myself plow through that sea of boredom just so that I could be max level again.
So yes, I didn't like WotLK either. It's ok. You love it, thats fine too. Arguing over facts is one thing, but telling people their opinion is wrong is futile.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Well said my friend.Thats the perfect post to end this thread,its been up for a while.
When the OP was talking about the previously poor soloing capability of his priest, I couldn't help remembering - wasn't it a pair of shadow priests who were the first to 2-man Onxyia at 70?
The OP said he was a holy Priest. One of the best played holy Priests I ever knew soloed without difficulty and he soloed things that pretty much no one else could solo unless they had uber gear and really knew what they were doing. He knew what he was doing of course too, but he wasn't epic'ed out. And this was before TBC was even released so no help from +spell. His gear was primarily +healing though I think he kept a few items with +holy damage as well on them.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the OP can do a 3 character group quest on a holy Priest. In fact, I'd say that holy Priest would be one of the best characters to do something like that on especially if he has some purples and blues from TBC. But even that isn't necessary. The changes to +spell have really helped healers out, which is also why resto Druids are now good at soloing too. He said yellow so it's hard to tell if that means exactly at his level or just a little under, since some yellow quests do have green elites.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Since they designed the expansion to be heavily "user friendly" like this if they made the slightest change and this caused quests to be more time consuming or "challenging" you would have millions of people protesting about that than the quests being too easy.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I'm often curious too, when people say WOW quests are boring, what game do they consider to have exciting quests?
While WOW does have some 'kill 15 of x' type quests in Northrend, there really aren't that many. Most of the quests have unique twists. Then they throw in crazy quests every once in awhile, like where you ride onthe back of the huge guy in Zul drak, or fly on a dragon in Dragonblight.. not to mention the crazy dk quests.
But the question is.. if northrend quests are boring.. what game has more exciting quests?
If northrend pvp is boring ( SotA and WG), what game has exciting pvp? Both AOC and Warhammer have dumbed down versions of Wintergrasp. In Warhammer, you can't move seige weapons and only the front door is desctructable.... in AOC.. well.. LOL.. everything is inferior to WG.
If WOW raids are boring... what game has better raids? Warhammer has very few dungeons and they are very lame. AOC has a few endgame raids, most of which are broken.. and the ones that do work have bosses that are just tank/spank with no phases or special abilities. The bosses in Wrath's heroic dungeons have more AI by far than anything in any other game. Those games are still in the 'more hps, more damage' mode when trying to create difficult encounters. Mentally go through the heroic dungeons in wrath and think about the cool abilities and AI that are going on. Then imagine playing AOC and Warhammer where every single boss is like a mini-patchwerk.
EVE is the only game that has pvp better than WOW's, and it has almost no real quests, no real pve and no raids.
Again, if WOW is boring in Raiding, Questing and PVP.. what games are better?
I'm often curious too, when people say WOW quests are boring, what game do they consider to have exciting quests?
While WOW does have some 'kill 15 of x' type quests in Northrend, there really aren't that many. Most of the quests have unique twists. Then they throw in crazy quests every once in awhile, like where you ride onthe back of the huge guy in Zul drak, or fly on a dragon in Dragonblight.. not to mention the crazy dk quests.
But the question is.. if northrend quests are boring.. what game has more exciting quests?
If northrend pvp is boring ( SotA and WG), what game has exciting pvp? Both AOC and Warhammer have dumbed down versions of Wintergrasp. In Warhammer, you can't move seige weapons and only the front door is desctructable.... in AOC.. well.. LOL.. everything is inferior to WG.
If WOW raids are boring... what game has better raids? Warhammer has very few dungeons and they are very lame. AOC has a few endgame raids, most of which are broken.. and the ones that do work have bosses that are just tank/spank with no phases or special abilities. The bosses in Wrath's heroic dungeons have more AI by far than anything in any other game. Those games are still in the 'more hps, more damage' mode when trying to create difficult encounters. Mentally go through the heroic dungeons in wrath and think about the cool abilities and AI that are going on. Then imagine playing AOC and Warhammer where every single boss is like a mini-patchwerk.
EVE is the only game that has pvp better than WOW's, and it has almost no real quests, no real pve and no raids.
Again, if WOW is boring in Raiding, Questing and PVP.. what games are better?
I can name one game that has MUCH better quests than WoW: Guild Wars. Guild Wars has a continuing story arc of fun and engaging quests that I actually enjoy doing. I feel I'd rather chew broken glass than level another character in WoW.
Beyond that, I don't enjoy questing much. I don't enjoy being forced to run boring quests either. I would much rather get a group together and just go kill things, its basically the same thing as WoW quests with the exception that you don't waste time running back and forward to quest givers, and you actually get to socialize with other people. But hey, that is just my opinion.
WoW's PvP can be fun at times, but the emphasis on Arenas is a bit of a downer. I enjoyed Eve's and SWG PvP more than WoW's. But WoW's is still fun.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
There are multiple things discussed at once in this thread and Zorn et al seems to misunderstand what I mean so I will summarize it as follows:
- Blizzard has made dungeons (5-man, heroics and raid content) easier across the board
- Blizzard has released much less content for people that raid actively in the last two years (and seems to in the coming year as well) - please look below for facts (only raid content):
7 Nov 2004 - Molten Core, Onyxia
7 March 2005 - Azuregos, Kazzak
12 July 2005 - BWL
13 Sep 2005 - Zul'Gurub
3 Jan 2006 - AQ20/40
30 June 2006 - Naxxramas
9 January 2007 - Kara, SSC, TK, Gruul, Magtheridon, Doomwalker (Kazzak is a revamp so does not count)
22 May 2007 - BT/Mt Hyjal
13 Nov 2008 - Zul'Aman
25 May 2008 - Sunwell
14 Oct 2008 - Sarth, Malygos, Archavon
May 2009? - Ulduar
At a first glance this might look good. Using a metric such as bosses per month show a drastic reduction though:
2004/2005: 2.14 raid encounters per month
2006: 3.00 raid encounters per month
2007: 4.58 raid encounters per month (the year of the raider!)
2008: 1.33 raid encounters per month
2009: (assuming Ulduar plus one more 'Ulduar' during the year will result in ~2 raid encounters per month which is back to 2004/2005 standard)
If you then add that encounters are becoming much easier than before (which means that the content does not last as long) you understand why raiders are less than happy - and at least on my server that includes basically all guilds from straight casual/friend guilds to the hard-core. If you like to raid WoW is not up to its former standard right now.
Once again we can argue whether this is a good business decision or not, but looking at arena stats for this season (40% less players this season compared to the last) I believe that Blizzard is either spending more time on other projects (my hypothesis) and letting 'go' of WoW a bit, or they do not have their eyes on the ball (which I doubt).