Succeed at what? Texas has succeeded at many things. But if they ever do decide to secede, then I would have to think long and hard about moving there. Even though I am not a hot weather person.
Hehe, but 1/3 of the US army is from Texas. Could you really trust your own military when they are not even from your country?
As is about 10% of the military isn't even American citizens, could you imagine if that was near half?
Originally posted by vonomous Originally posted by popinjay The day a Texas politician stops taking free money from Washington...
...when the next big hurricane wipes you out again, don't come crying to Daddy for your allowance.
Where do you think "daddy" got that money in the first place Mr. smartypants? When someone steals your wallet and then loans you a few bucks, I don't think its charitable. Now, now. Watch it with the names.
All the tax revenue in the country doesn't come from Texas, unlike what you seem to think. It comes from every state, they all pitch in. Now unless the government is unfairly soaking Texas instead of Rhode Island, then you have a point.
But that's not the case, so you don't. The fact is that Texas is one of the leaders for national aid for disasters and on the welfare teat. If they ever decided to "go it alone", they wouldn't be able to last very long. A huge chunk of Texas' economy is all that military spending down there on those bases into towns and such. Pull the military out and you know how fast the Texas economy dries up, lol? One big tumbleweed.
Eighteen. No U.S., no Texas. Not the other way around. All kids whine about their parents, and Texas is no different.
The day a Texas politician stops taking free money from Washington...
...when the next big hurricane wipes you out again, don't come crying to Daddy for your allowance.
Where do you think "daddy" got that money in the first place Mr. smartypants?
When someone steals your wallet and then loans you a few bucks, I don't think its charitable.
Now, now. Watch it with the names.
All the tax revenue in the country doesn't come from Texas, unlike what you seem to think. It comes from every state, they all pitch in. Now unless the government is unfairly soaking Texas instead of Rhode Island, then you have a point.
But that's not the case, so you don't. The fact is that Texas is one of the leaders for national aid for disasters and on the welfare teat. If they ever decided to "go it alone", they wouldn't be able to last very long. A huge chunk of Texas' economy is all that military spending down there on those bases into towns and such. Pull the military out and you know how fast the Texas economy dries up, lol? One big tumbleweed.
Eighteen. No U.S., no Texas. Not the other way around. All kids whine about their parents, and Texas is no different.
I think you're missing a huge point in this thing.
I noticed you used the phrase, "pitch in". Well, I think you lost a lot of people right there. I don't "pitch in". I have my money stolen from me each pay day. If I were to "pitch in", then I would pitch that money towards more private organizations than I am able to now. Like my church.
So, I would suggest rethinking your whole premise. It's sort of flawed from the beginning.
See, a lot of Texans and other American's are really getting fed up with this tax system (aka government robbery). We're ready for a change that means the federal government steps away from the table of decision making and actually does leave more to the states. Then when we have a problem as a state, we will pull on our collective ingenuity as private citizens to solve it.
It worked for a long time before the direct tax we have now. And America prospered quite well under the lack of intrusion.
Then, if we have a natural disaster and a private organization wants to come help us, it will be welcomed. But it will be welcomed with no strings attached just as we would expect another state to accept our help likewise.
I know it's a wild and crazy thought pattern in todays nanny state government situation, but it's one that if implemented I have a strong suspicion will come from a state such as Texas. We're here trying to bring America back to it's founding principles.
See, a lot of Texans and other American's are really getting fed up with this tax system (aka government robbery).
Well, sorry to hear that, but it's irrelevant.
You are part of the United States. You will pay your taxes like everyone else to pay for the military that protects your freedoms, your welfare rolls and your hurricanes and fires every year. If you don't like it as a citizen, you have the right to pack up and go wherever you please.
I doubt you and all the other people QQing ever will. There is no country that is going to give you what you desire other than the U.S. If there was, you'd be gone already or they wouldn't have you. You can go whenever you like, you just can't take Texas with you.
Some of you people really believe the Texas people want to leave the union. I'm going to try to appeal to whatever you people have inside you can call decent. You want the truth? Here it is and while Im at it, a little about what some of you have said. I've lived in Texas all but three years of my life, I've watched the governors come and go and Rick Perry wont be any different. He came and now he'll go but Texas will always be here. I beleive the guy has good intentions at times, just gets caught up in himself like all politicians do. But I don't recall one Texas citizen saying we wanted out of the problems of our country, or that our loyalty to America is or was ever in dire question. We have a great love for our state and our country we just wont allow big brother to kick us around. That's how it is and always will be. We suggest your states do the same. Then some of you brought up Bush, well sometimes sayin Rick Perry is like sayin George Bush, they go hand in hand...ya see sometimes they are caught speaking out of the south end of northbound armadillo. Such is the life of the politician ridin a wave, but in perrys case its a bull, a big load of bull but he'll jump off it soon. He did stand up for his state, and he did right, just went about it the wrong way but hey...we all make mistakes. We have well over 24 million people here in Texas, all hard working and very open to anyone who comes through and we don't believe in slavery, not racial slavery, economic slavery or any other kind of slavery although we all have to work to survive? No one will ever be forced into that situation here, atleast not while we are alive, we're just not that kind of people. Those days are gone and good riddance to them. Yes we own guns, lots of us do, theres nothing wrong with that. We support the right to bare arms, many of us and our ancestors owned farms/ranches and many still do and those who dont may have chosen to buy acres of land and live on that so we feel we need firearms to protect whats ours and keep our families safe, Texas is a big place fellas with alot of people and not all of us are always the decent type sometimes.. So last time I checked there was nothing wrong with protecting ourselves. Hell we even support freedom of speech so you guys can come on game forums and down talk us for speaking against tyranny. Guys the government isnt the same anymore incase you havent noticed, it changed alot from some 40-50 years ago, but hell so have the times, most of you are too young to know that or just dont care to know for yourselves. So I'll leave that be but someday you'll understand. Now this ol boy who posted above me wants to link to an act or bill or whatever on our account asking for money to rebuild, due to damage that was done to our coastal areas In Texas. Well what he failed to mention was that Texas took on more of our fellow americans from Louisiana likely than any other state when these dear people needed help, a place to stay, food to eat, water to drink and help with clothes. We did the right thing there in helping those people out, its the christian thing to do and we dont regret or stand embarrassed for a day of it nor do we regret asking for help from our country to help us support our fellow countrymen when they needed it. Truth be told, we would have done that for any state and any of our fellow americans. Again it was the right thing to do. So brother, dont attack us for helpin out. And last, this other guy way back in the earlier posts talks about "liberating us Iraq style" Bad form little brother, something in your life has your mind twisted, I hope you find peace inside someday cause if youve seen whats been done in iraq like some of us have and want to do those things to fellow americans, then you sir need to get to nearest V.A for help or are openly requesting a visit from homeland security. If I were you, I'd tone that ten cent trashtalkin down and keep it in video games cause in the real world, someone might mistake you for a domestic terrorist. Dont thinkso? read some of their latest releases on terrorist definitions, you sir just fit the bill, yes its that easy. So finally, the truth is folks none of these states are saying they are going to literally secede, they are claiming the tenth and trying to rekindle in our government what our forefathers instilled into this country. Freedom and civil Liberties declared by the constitution/declaration of independance. We wont allow those things to be taken away from us and nor should you allow it to happen to your states people. If you think otherwise ladies and gents on perrys account I cant blame ya, He did come out and blabber on about secession but texas isnt a quitting state, I put my word on that. Just look up the battle of the alamo Thanks for your time. Good luck all and god bless.
Well said. . My community, my state, my country. I love them all. I will defend them all.
Anyone that wants any state to leave the union, wants to see harm come to our country. This is OUR country, we are all in this together, this picking sides against each other nonsense is the problem, not those defending the principles this country was founded upon. Texas, just like every state in the union, wants to see us prosper as a whole, jumps to the helm to help any state in need when the time truly comes. From what I know of my neighbors here, and the majority of the people in texas, we take great pride in our state, our nation and are a very giving people. We go above and beyond what is required to help those around us in our state or not if they need it, and it is those that are trying to make this country into something it was never meant to be are dividing this country. We are just fighting for what is best for our nation as a whole, the people's right to live thier lives as they see fit, not having a "Overbearing" tyrannical government decide that for them.
See, a lot of Texans and other American's are really getting fed up with this tax system (aka government robbery).
Well, sorry to hear that, but it's irrelevant.
You are part of the United States. You will pay your taxes like everyone else to pay for the military that protects your freedoms, your welfare rolls and your hurricanes and fires every year. If you don't like it as a citizen, you have the right to pack up and go wherever you please.
I doubt you and all the other people QQing ever will. There is no country that is going to give you what you desire other than the U.S. If there was, you'd be gone already or they wouldn't have you. You can go whenever you like, you just can't take Texas with you.
It's ours. WE won it fair and square. :P
Actually, it's very relevant. And the relevancy of it is becoming more and more clear every day.
I don't know if you've noticed, but people are getting fed up with the empty promises of the federal government. The only QQing I do is to see my countries Constitution and Bill of Rights disregarded. But trust me, that QQing doesn't last long before it turns into a rage that demands my country and its founding principles back.
Actually, it's very relevant. And the relevancy of it is becoming more and more clear every day. I don't know if you've noticed, but people are getting fed up with the empty promises of the federal government. The only QQing I do is to see my countries Constitution and Bill of Rights disregarded. But trust me, that QQing doesn't last long before it turns into a rage that demands my country and its founding principles back. And we will get them back.
I'm sorry, but I must have missed it. Where did Obama disregard our country's Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
Maybe he is talking about the steady increase in federal power in this country that has been going on for decades. Obama hasn’t really done much yet to add to this power but he doesn’t seem to being trying to stop it. Bush did an enormous amount of damage and I can say that as a fiscal republican. Things like the patriot act are just a small part of the bloated legislation that is churned out constantly from Washington.
I think these people said it best.
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency
- Eugene McCarthy
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy
- Unknown
It sometimes seems to me while reading these forums that only a few of you people actually talk about historical trends and observations and don’t just reregulate catchphrases you hear on the news.
Originally posted by Thelastwaagh Maybe he is talking about the steady increase in federal power in this country that has been going on for decades.
I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
Maybe he is talking about the steady increase in federal power in this country that has been going on for decades.
I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
I don't think he's in the wrong topic at all.
You keep increasing the influence of the federal government into peoples lives and the people and the states are going to scream to the top of their lungs soon. People are getting absolutely tired of this intrusive crap.
We the people are beginning to get really sick and tired of all the past Presidents who have taken the Constitution and Bill of Rights lightly. We are getting ready to do whatever it takes to get our rights back. If it's an enemy within, then it's time to weed them out.
Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by popinjay
Originally posted by Thelastwaagh Maybe he is talking about the steady increase in federal power in this country that has been going on for decades.
I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
I don't think he's in the wrong topic at all. You keep increasing the influence of the federal government into peoples lives and the people and the states are going to scream to the top of their lungs soon. People are getting absolutely tired of this intrusive crap. We the people are beginning to get really sick and tired of all the past Presidents who have taken the Constitution and Bill of Rights lightly. We are getting ready to do whatever it takes to get our rights back. If it's an enemy within, then it's time to weed them out.
I agree people are getting tired of intrusion by government agencies.
Just look at these Texas policemen who robbed this American citizen and many others. They are making it easy for people to want Texas to just go ahead and do it. I guess if they leave the Union, this is how they plan to raise revenue down there.
What is it now, ten or eleven states prepared to succeed? You better hope those states get more back than they pay in to the feds. If the net contributors leave the union, you're going to have to work extra hard to pay off that national debt. I'd suggest getting a third job now to get a head start.
No it isn't, lol. It's just that crackpot hellhole.
And the United States would simply just take what we wanted from them. It's our history anyways from ripping stuff from other "countries". So, let them secede, then we go in and "liberate" them.
I think it's a good idea actually. I would LOVE to "liberate" Texas, Iraq style.
Yeah...
Somehow I missed Texas developing two distinct religious ideologies that hate each other so badly they would attack our troops when we prevent them from slaughtering each other.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
I think it's a good idea actually. I would LOVE to "liberate" Texas, Iraq style.
You do realize that you are talking about attacking your own people? You are the one who sounds like an extremist, like a domestic terrorist talking about how you would love to attack Texas. I haven;t heard anyone from Texas stating they want to attack anyone ... Why would you want to attack families that want nothing more than to protect the freedom and uphold and protect their constitutional rights? Why would you feel joy aggressively imposing an unwanted authority over a people who simply want to protect the principles this country, YOUR country was founded upon?
And you call us a "crackpot hellhole"... you are the one sounding like the crackpot here.
I think it's a good idea actually. I would LOVE to "liberate" Texas, Iraq style.
You do realize that you are talking about attacking your own people? You are the one who sounds like an extremist, like a domestic terrorist talking about how you would love to attack Texas. I haven;t heard anyone from Texas stating they want to attack anyone ... Why would you want to attack families that want nothing more than to protect the freedom and uphold and protect their constitutional rights? Why would you feel joy aggressively imposing an unwanted authority over a people who simply want to protect the principles this country, YOUR country was founded upon? And you call us a "crackpot hellhole"... you are the one sounding like the crackpot here.
Attack? No.. no dearie. I said liberate.
I want to spread democracy there just as Bush did in Iraq. You do believe that we sucessfully liberated Iraq right? The governor of Texas is obviously as much as a crackpot as Saddam was in many respects with his rhetoric. I fear for the real citizens of Texas who want to remain a part of these United States and are being opressed and have no voice under the crushing boot of conservative might there, led by scores of religious fanatics spreading hate through their religious dogma of intolerance.
I would never advocate the attacking of citizens who lawfully abide the laws of our nations. It is my view that President Obama should make every effort to aid them in every way with their struggle. There appears to be flagrant violations of freedoms on citizens by Texas policemen , who perhaps may even be given aid from and working in league with Governor Perry. (who gets pulled over for doing 2 miles per hour over the speed limit and extorted?) Unless justice takes root, Texas' terrorist groups will threaten the American way of life. Liberation may be an option to remedy this.
But just as Bush presented a case that Iraq was massing weapons, it appears that there are plenty of militia groups and unbalanced crackpot individuals arming for a struggle and reciting secession, revolution, "President Obama is a socialist" and "Down with President Obama." These crackpots are a threat to our nation's security and are fomenting dissent and advocating non-payment of taxes. There are cabals in Texas that have connections to the government and they are slowing rotting it from the inside out and advocating armed insurrection and rebellion. As a patriot, I cannot sit idly by and say nothing.
We should oppose and condemn tyranny in all its forms as United States citizens rather than wait for it to surface as a smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud.
I think it's a good idea actually. I would LOVE to "liberate" Texas, Iraq style.
You do realize that you are talking about attacking your own people? You are the one who sounds like an extremist, like a domestic terrorist talking about how you would love to attack Texas. I haven;t heard anyone from Texas stating they want to attack anyone ... Why would you want to attack families that want nothing more than to protect the freedom and uphold and protect their constitutional rights? Why would you feel joy aggressively imposing an unwanted authority over a people who simply want to protect the principles this country, YOUR country was founded upon?
And you call us a "crackpot hellhole"... you are the one sounding like the crackpot here.
Attack? No.. no dearie. I said liberate.
I want to spread democracy there just as Bush did in Iraq. You do believe that we sucessfully liberated Iraq right? The governor of Texas is obviously as much as a crackpot as Saddam was in many respects with his rhetoric. I fear for the real citizens of Texas who want to remain a part of these United States and are being opressed and have no voice under the crushing boot of conservative might there, led by scores of religious fanatics spreading hate through their religious dogma of intolerance.
I would never advocate the attacking of citizens who lawfully abide the laws of our nations. It is my view that President Obama should make every effort to aid them in every way with their struggle. There appears to be flagrant violations of freedoms on citizens by Texas policemen , who perhaps may even be given aid from and working in league with Governor Perry. (who gets pulled over for doing 2 miles per hour over the speed limit and extorted?) Unless justice takes root, Texas' terrorist groups will threaten the American way of life. Liberation may be an option to remedy this.
But just as Bush presented a case that Iraq was massing weapons, it appears that there are plenty of militia groups and unbalanced crackpot individuals arming for a struggle and reciting secession, revolution, "President Obama is a socialist" and "Down with President Obama." These crackpots are a threat to our nation's security and are fomenting dissent and advocating non-payment of taxes. There are cabals in Texas that have connections to the government and they are slowing rotting it from the inside out and advocating armed insurrection and rebellion. As a patriot, I cannot sit idly by and say nothing.
We should oppose and condemn tyranny in all its forms as United States citizens rather than wait for it to surface as a smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud.
If you want to start "liberating" people from policemen, start with Los Angeles. Or what about liberating people from the black panthers that were guarding their polling booths with billy clubs?
Read more from our founders on what Tyranny and democracy actually are before you use your twisted version of it to spout off nonsesene.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
-Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-Thomas Jefferson
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
-Thomas Jefferson
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
-Thomas Jefferson
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.
-Thomas Jefferson
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
-Thomas Jefferson
Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.
-Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
-Thomas Jefferson
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.
-Thomas Jefferson
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
-Thomas Jefferson
That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Thomas Jefferson
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
If you want to start "liberating" people from policemen, start with Los Angeles. Or what about liberating people from the black panthers that were guarding their polling booths with billy clubs?
The minute Governor Arnold starts talking about secession and mobs of inbred hicks start arming themselves, wearing camoflague while running around in the sticks playing soldier and screaming revolution trying to bring the country down, I will advocate California liberation as well. So far, that particular brand of nuttiness seems to fester in the dusty tinderbox we call Texas, lol.
Or are you drunken rant-typing again like you so often profess to on these forums?
Originally posted by deviliscious, thread "My Drunken Rant":
Yes, it is the middle of the week, not exactly even that and I needed to "get away" from all of the stress and pressure I have been under with my recent overload of activities.
Originally posted by deviliscious, same thread:
AIIGHt Dec, Imma give it to you, First off Most of the "labled" right wing extremist are not even republicans, no, they are a combination of anarchists, libertarians, independants and non affiliated people that are pissed the F off about what has been goin on with our country. I have never been a republican, in fact , I handed out no more bush stickers that had a chick with her legs spread and vote libertarian on each breast. at the same time I handed out condems telling people no glove no love .. yup that was me the condom queen!
and you know what, you suck, and here is why you suck,
Originally posted by deviliscious, same thread:
LOL i can drink any man under the table.
Time for myself .. lol more like time for me to get drunk enough to run through the sprinklers nekkid and I will be aiight.
Originally posted by deviliscious, same thread:
Pshh not even 1 am yet and you guys are all out of steam.. I see how you are! well... The clubs are still open...
My, my.. what a paragon of American virtues you are. You do your fellow Texans proud by not spouting off nonsense, I'm sure.
Black panthers, lol? Why would you bring that up? Hmmm.. let's go back to the thread for some perspective...
Originally posted by deviliscious, thread "My Drunken Rant":
P.S. The only time I ever voted republican was a vote AGAINST Obama
The best thing about listening to people while they are drunk, is that their true feelings always seem to claw to the surface. It might be best to lay off the sauce sweetheart, because your slip is showing... and it's dirty.
The next time I make a thread about how to put on condoms, or which drink gets you drunkest and stupidest the fastest, I'll be sure to ask your opinion as a self-described accomplished drinking condom queen.
I wouldn't try to reason with him Dev. He's just the typical know nothing / do nothing that can't help but continually vomit his uneducated and illiterate opinion to anyone foolish enough to bother reading his mindless prattle. Using reason on the unreasonable is a tactic doomed to failure.
"If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'
Originally posted by vonomous I wouldn't try to reason with him Dev. He's just the typical know nothing / do nothing that can't help but continually vomit his uneducated and illiterate opinion to anyone foolish enough to bother reading his mindless prattle. Using reason on the unreasonable is a tactic doomed to failure.
Vonomous, do you ever have a point other than personal attack and fake signature quotes under your name slandering me?
Talk about obsessive. I'm flattered, but I'm hetero and I have a wife.
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Hehe, but 1/3 of the US army is from Texas. Could you really trust your own military when they are not even from your country?
As is about 10% of the military isn't even American citizens, could you imagine if that was near half?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
When someone steals your wallet and then loans you a few bucks, I don't think its charitable.
Now, now. Watch it with the names.
All the tax revenue in the country doesn't come from Texas, unlike what you seem to think. It comes from every state, they all pitch in. Now unless the government is unfairly soaking Texas instead of Rhode Island, then you have a point.
But that's not the case, so you don't. The fact is that Texas is one of the leaders for national aid for disasters and on the welfare teat. If they ever decided to "go it alone", they wouldn't be able to last very long. A huge chunk of Texas' economy is all that military spending down there on those bases into towns and such. Pull the military out and you know how fast the Texas economy dries up, lol? One big tumbleweed.
Eighteen. No U.S., no Texas. Not the other way around. All kids whine about their parents, and Texas is no different.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Where do you think "daddy" got that money in the first place Mr. smartypants?
When someone steals your wallet and then loans you a few bucks, I don't think its charitable.
Now, now. Watch it with the names.
All the tax revenue in the country doesn't come from Texas, unlike what you seem to think. It comes from every state, they all pitch in. Now unless the government is unfairly soaking Texas instead of Rhode Island, then you have a point.
But that's not the case, so you don't. The fact is that Texas is one of the leaders for national aid for disasters and on the welfare teat. If they ever decided to "go it alone", they wouldn't be able to last very long. A huge chunk of Texas' economy is all that military spending down there on those bases into towns and such. Pull the military out and you know how fast the Texas economy dries up, lol? One big tumbleweed.
Eighteen. No U.S., no Texas. Not the other way around. All kids whine about their parents, and Texas is no different.
I think you're missing a huge point in this thing.
I noticed you used the phrase, "pitch in". Well, I think you lost a lot of people right there. I don't "pitch in". I have my money stolen from me each pay day. If I were to "pitch in", then I would pitch that money towards more private organizations than I am able to now. Like my church.
So, I would suggest rethinking your whole premise. It's sort of flawed from the beginning.
See, a lot of Texans and other American's are really getting fed up with this tax system (aka government robbery). We're ready for a change that means the federal government steps away from the table of decision making and actually does leave more to the states. Then when we have a problem as a state, we will pull on our collective ingenuity as private citizens to solve it.
It worked for a long time before the direct tax we have now. And America prospered quite well under the lack of intrusion.
Then, if we have a natural disaster and a private organization wants to come help us, it will be welcomed. But it will be welcomed with no strings attached just as we would expect another state to accept our help likewise.
I know it's a wild and crazy thought pattern in todays nanny state government situation, but it's one that if implemented I have a strong suspicion will come from a state such as Texas. We're here trying to bring America back to it's founding principles.
You are part of the United States. You will pay your taxes like everyone else to pay for the military that protects your freedoms, your welfare rolls and your hurricanes and fires every year. If you don't like it as a citizen, you have the right to pack up and go wherever you please.
I doubt you and all the other people QQing ever will. There is no country that is going to give you what you desire other than the U.S. If there was, you'd be gone already or they wouldn't have you. You can go whenever you like, you just can't take Texas with you.
It's ours. WE won it fair and square. :P
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yeah we'll pay our taxes unlike the Treasury Secretary and the other cronies the current regime tried to appoint.
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I don't live in Texas but i have driven threw their a time or too..
but i would like to compare a red state to a blue state...lol,ok ready here we go...
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Michigan's mine bodies for cash to make ends meet <<------"Michigan" classic case on how the left runs their states.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Well said.
. My community, my state, my country. I love them all. I will defend them all.
Anyone that wants any state to leave the union, wants to see harm come to our country. This is OUR country, we are all in this together, this picking sides against each other nonsense is the problem, not those defending the principles this country was founded upon. Texas, just like every state in the union, wants to see us prosper as a whole, jumps to the helm to help any state in need when the time truly comes. From what I know of my neighbors here, and the majority of the people in texas, we take great pride in our state, our nation and are a very giving people. We go above and beyond what is required to help those around us in our state or not if they need it, and it is those that are trying to make this country into something it was never meant to be are dividing this country. We are just fighting for what is best for our nation as a whole, the people's right to live thier lives as they see fit, not having a "Overbearing" tyrannical government decide that for them.
You are part of the United States. You will pay your taxes like everyone else to pay for the military that protects your freedoms, your welfare rolls and your hurricanes and fires every year. If you don't like it as a citizen, you have the right to pack up and go wherever you please.
I doubt you and all the other people QQing ever will. There is no country that is going to give you what you desire other than the U.S. If there was, you'd be gone already or they wouldn't have you. You can go whenever you like, you just can't take Texas with you.
It's ours. WE won it fair and square. :P
Actually, it's very relevant. And the relevancy of it is becoming more and more clear every day.
I don't know if you've noticed, but people are getting fed up with the empty promises of the federal government. The only QQing I do is to see my countries Constitution and Bill of Rights disregarded. But trust me, that QQing doesn't last long before it turns into a rage that demands my country and its founding principles back.
And we will get them back.
I'm sorry, but I must have missed it. Where did Obama disregard our country's Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
Are you talking about the Patriot Act?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Maybe he is talking about the steady increase in federal power in this country that has been going on for decades. Obama hasn’t really done much yet to add to this power but he doesn’t seem to being trying to stop it. Bush did an enormous amount of damage and I can say that as a fiscal republican. Things like the patriot act are just a small part of the bloated legislation that is churned out constantly from Washington.
I think these people said it best.
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency
- Eugene McCarthy
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy
- Unknown
It sometimes seems to me while reading these forums that only a few of you people actually talk about historical trends and observations and don’t just reregulate catchphrases you hear on the news.
-for the overmind.
I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
I don't think he's in the wrong topic at all.
You keep increasing the influence of the federal government into peoples lives and the people and the states are going to scream to the top of their lungs soon. People are getting absolutely tired of this intrusive crap.
We the people are beginning to get really sick and tired of all the past Presidents who have taken the Constitution and Bill of Rights lightly. We are getting ready to do whatever it takes to get our rights back. If it's an enemy within, then it's time to weed them out.
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I'm not sure what he's referring to, but I certainly don't want to be accused of putting words into someone's mouth by guessing what's inside their head when they make a cryptic, shotgun post.
Until he clarifies, I'll leave it as he doesn't really know what freedoms were taken away in the last 100 days and how that relates to the governor of Texas claiming he might secede because of Obama's policies.
If he is saying what YOU claim, then perhaps he is misunderstanding what Perry was talking about. Perry wasn't talking about a disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights when he mentioned secession. So perhaps he's in the wrong thread discussing an erosion of constitutional issues.
I don't think he's in the wrong topic at all.
You keep increasing the influence of the federal government into peoples lives and the people and the states are going to scream to the top of their lungs soon. People are getting absolutely tired of this intrusive crap.
We the people are beginning to get really sick and tired of all the past Presidents who have taken the Constitution and Bill of Rights lightly. We are getting ready to do whatever it takes to get our rights back. If it's an enemy within, then it's time to weed them out.
I agree people are getting tired of intrusion by government agencies.
Just look at these Texas policemen who robbed this American citizen and many others. They are making it easy for people to want Texas to just go ahead and do it. I guess if they leave the Union, this is how they plan to raise revenue down there.
"TO MICHAEL!"
No it isn't, lol. It's just that crackpot hellhole.
And the United States would simply just take what we wanted from them. It's our history anyways from ripping stuff from other "countries". So, let them secede, then we go in and "liberate" them.
I think it's a good idea actually. I would LOVE to "liberate" Texas, Iraq style.
Yeah...
Somehow I missed Texas developing two distinct religious ideologies that hate each other so badly they would attack our troops when we prevent them from slaughtering each other.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
You do realize that you are talking about attacking your own people? You are the one who sounds like an extremist, like a domestic terrorist talking about how you would love to attack Texas. I haven;t heard anyone from Texas stating they want to attack anyone ... Why would you want to attack families that want nothing more than to protect the freedom and uphold and protect their constitutional rights? Why would you feel joy aggressively imposing an unwanted authority over a people who simply want to protect the principles this country, YOUR country was founded upon?
And you call us a "crackpot hellhole"... you are the one sounding like the crackpot here.
Attack? No.. no dearie. I said liberate.
I want to spread democracy there just as Bush did in Iraq. You do believe that we sucessfully liberated Iraq right? The governor of Texas is obviously as much as a crackpot as Saddam was in many respects with his rhetoric. I fear for the real citizens of Texas who want to remain a part of these United States and are being opressed and have no voice under the crushing boot of conservative might there, led by scores of religious fanatics spreading hate through their religious dogma of intolerance.
I would never advocate the attacking of citizens who lawfully abide the laws of our nations. It is my view that President Obama should make every effort to aid them in every way with their struggle. There appears to be flagrant violations of freedoms on citizens by Texas policemen , who perhaps may even be given aid from and working in league with Governor Perry. (who gets pulled over for doing 2 miles per hour over the speed limit and extorted?) Unless justice takes root, Texas' terrorist groups will threaten the American way of life. Liberation may be an option to remedy this.
But just as Bush presented a case that Iraq was massing weapons, it appears that there are plenty of militia groups and unbalanced crackpot individuals arming for a struggle and reciting secession, revolution, "President Obama is a socialist" and "Down with President Obama." These crackpots are a threat to our nation's security and are fomenting dissent and advocating non-payment of taxes. There are cabals in Texas that have connections to the government and they are slowing rotting it from the inside out and advocating armed insurrection and rebellion. As a patriot, I cannot sit idly by and say nothing.
We should oppose and condemn tyranny in all its forms as United States citizens rather than wait for it to surface as a smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Originally posted by popinjay
Attack? No.. no dearie. I said liberate.
I want to spread democracy there just as Bush did in Iraq. You do believe that we sucessfully liberated Iraq right? The governor of Texas is obviously as much as a crackpot as Saddam was in many respects with his rhetoric. I fear for the real citizens of Texas who want to remain a part of these United States and are being opressed and have no voice under the crushing boot of conservative might there, led by scores of religious fanatics spreading hate through their religious dogma of intolerance.
I would never advocate the attacking of citizens who lawfully abide the laws of our nations. It is my view that President Obama should make every effort to aid them in every way with their struggle. There appears to be flagrant violations of freedoms on citizens by Texas policemen , who perhaps may even be given aid from and working in league with Governor Perry. (who gets pulled over for doing 2 miles per hour over the speed limit and extorted?) Unless justice takes root, Texas' terrorist groups will threaten the American way of life. Liberation may be an option to remedy this.
But just as Bush presented a case that Iraq was massing weapons, it appears that there are plenty of militia groups and unbalanced crackpot individuals arming for a struggle and reciting secession, revolution, "President Obama is a socialist" and "Down with President Obama." These crackpots are a threat to our nation's security and are fomenting dissent and advocating non-payment of taxes. There are cabals in Texas that have connections to the government and they are slowing rotting it from the inside out and advocating armed insurrection and rebellion. As a patriot, I cannot sit idly by and say nothing.
We should oppose and condemn tyranny in all its forms as United States citizens rather than wait for it to surface as a smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud.
If you want to start "liberating" people from policemen, start with Los Angeles. Or what about liberating people from the black panthers that were guarding their polling booths with billy clubs?
Read more from our founders on what Tyranny and democracy actually are before you use your twisted version of it to spout off nonsesene.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
-Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-Thomas Jefferson
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
-Thomas Jefferson
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
-Thomas Jefferson
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.
-Thomas Jefferson
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
-Thomas Jefferson
Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.
-Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
-Thomas Jefferson
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.
-Thomas Jefferson
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
-Thomas Jefferson
That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Thomas Jefferson
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-Thomas Jefferson
The minute Governor Arnold starts talking about secession and mobs of inbred hicks start arming themselves, wearing camoflague while running around in the sticks playing soldier and screaming revolution trying to bring the country down, I will advocate California liberation as well. So far, that particular brand of nuttiness seems to fester in the dusty tinderbox we call Texas, lol.
Or are you drunken rant-typing again like you so often profess to on these forums?
My, my.. what a paragon of American virtues you are. You do your fellow Texans proud by not spouting off nonsense, I'm sure.Black panthers, lol? Why would you bring that up? Hmmm.. let's go back to the thread for some perspective...
The best thing about listening to people while they are drunk, is that their true feelings always seem to claw to the surface. It might be best to lay off the sauce sweetheart, because your slip is showing... and it's dirty.
The next time I make a thread about how to put on condoms, or which drink gets you drunkest and stupidest the fastest, I'll be sure to ask your opinion as a self-described accomplished drinking condom queen.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I wouldn't try to reason with him Dev. He's just the typical know nothing / do nothing that can't help but continually vomit his uneducated and illiterate opinion to anyone foolish enough to bother reading his mindless prattle. Using reason on the unreasonable is a tactic doomed to failure.
"If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'
Let's face reality: Thomas Jefferson is an "extremist" in today's "new" and "different" world.
And, as such, should be under surveillance.
Talk about obsessive. I'm flattered, but I'm hetero and I have a wife.
Now shoo!
"TO MICHAEL!"
So I was looking back through some of my old posts and found this thread.
I'm sure im not the only one who remembers this, it made me lawlgasm, anyways just bumping this kind of to prove my point from back then.