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Can I Suggest Paragus1 Gets Removed From The "Spotlight Blogs"?

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  • egotripegotrip Member Posts: 875
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by egotrip


    The Managing Editor and Admin have spoken , all words lose their worth after this point



     

    Yeah your right choosing to ignore their own site rules of conduct in the process ... very sad.

    You don't like it?

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  • maxnrosymaxnrosy Member Posts: 608

    I wonder if the OP actually read any of pargus' blogs. I did read em all and well while i am not playing the game he does POINT out many things on why people might not like it. Hes very fair.  I did not precive his blogs making darkfall as the golden jewel in the mmorpg market. What i got from his reads is a game he enjoys and others may like the difference it does have from the mainstream. His blogs also point out many aspects many people in the game can use as a reference.

    The game does has its issues and i see pargus likeing darkfall the same way i ended up liking Istaria dispite both having some problems. Read is blog again he doesnt reccomend this game for everyone. He made it clear who this game was aimed to and that kinda reduces your rant to nothing.

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Stradden

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Stradden

    Originally posted by Devour


    He's became a very, VERY sycophantic fankiddie, and an obvious shill. He's claimed to "have the ear of the developers" which, to me, suggests that he's doing nothing more than working the propaganda machine in order to get more subs for the game, and to feed Tasos' hunger for fankiddism.
    I mean, if he doesn't get removed, at least give a disclaimer that the information is probably extremely heavily biased TOWARDS Darkfall, because - I don't know about you - but I don't find the fact that new players may be convinced by heavy handed pro-Darkfall crap, just because it seems to be official and on the front page.
    TL;DR:

    Either remove Paragus1 from "Spotlight Blogs", or change him to something like "Official Darkfall Blog", so that people know to be wary of anything he might say.

    We won't be removing his blog from the Spotlighted area. it's that simple.

    First, it's a blog, we don't restrict the views of the bloggers in our community and the blogs that Paragus creates are well thought out, well written and more than deserve to be highlighted.

    I have read these blogs, and I don't get the impression that he is over-selling the game. Having read his work and spoken to him directly, I can tell you that he actually enjoys the game and wants to share his experiences in the game with everyone else. If someone actively plays a game, and subscribes to it, of COURSE they are going to like the game? Why would someone subscribe toa  game for any reason other than the fact that they like it?

     

    Look,  I agree that hard news on this site should be balanced an un-biased. it should be approached without a pre concieved notion either positive or negative and this is what I expect from all of my news and review staff. The fact of the matter is though that there is also room on this site for opinion, and there is no better place for that opinion than in the blogs. Look, I'm sorry that you don't share Paragus's opinion of the game, but that's not a reason to stop highlighting them, it's a reason for you personally to stop reading them.

    And before I get called a schill, or whatever else it is that I get called on a daily basis (which is both schill AND hater, by the way), If someone who actually plays Darkfall wants to create a blog written and presented as well as the Paragus blog and take a more negative viewpoint, I will be happy to highlight that blog as well. 

    The only place that we pass judgement on games as a site, is in the official review / preview or other similar feature. Correspondent features, BLOGS, these are opinion pieces, which have as much right to be in a professional publication as hard news does. Where companies run into trouble is when they are dishonest about what is and is not flat opinion. We make no bones about the fact that Paragus Rants is Phil's own blog. it just happens to be an exceptionally well thought out and presented one.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    Let me get this straight the OP called this person

     

    Quote  " VERY sycophantic fankiddie, and an obvious shill" and your condoning this ?

    So now anyone can throw personal insults like this at anyone with impunity and no action from Admin or Mods ..

    I'm not fully understanding why it is you're looking for a fight here, but let me address your concerns.

    First, did you report the post? modeation is neither mine nor Admin's department. These are handled by moderators that need to be made away of infractions so that they can determine whether or not to take action. Obviously you were offended on somoene else's behalf here. Reporting it is your proper course of action.

    Now, as to your response to Admin: No one is "condoning obvious trolling." Simply expressing a negative opinion of something does not make you a troll. Simply expressing a positive opinion about something does not make you a fanboi. All that Admin said was that we personally do not care whether your opinion is positive or negative, so long as you come here to discuss it. What e didn't say, that should have gone without saying is: Within the confines of our Rules of Conduct. 

    Hope that clears thigns up for you. 



     

    I just like to see fairness inthe way everyone is treated , I'm sure alot of members have had posts removed for far less than this and yet you seem to let this individual attack and flame peoples posts with total impunity ?

    I also thought posting excessive negative comments in threads was against the rules ?. Take a look at the OP 's post history .

    He's even said openly that nobody else know what trolling is except himself and that included yourselves .

  • Erowid420Erowid420 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Devour


    He's became a very, VERY sycophantic fankiddie, and an obvious shill. He's claimed to "have the ear of the developers" which, to me, suggests that he's doing nothing more than working the propaganda machine in order to get more subs for the game, and to feed Tasos' hunger for fankiddism.
    I mean, if he doesn't get removed, at least give a disclaimer that the information is probably extremely heavily biased TOWARDS Darkfall, because - I don't know about you - but I don't find the fact that new players may be convinced by heavy handed pro-Darkfall crap, just because it seems to be official and on the front page.
    TL;DR:

    Either remove Paragus1 from "Spotlight Blogs", or change him to something like "Official Darkfall Blog", so that people know to be wary of anything he might say.



     

    I already thought that was an obvious "understood you" of this community. No legit reviewer is going to sit on 1 forum and constantly give credit to Darkfall & it's developers, if he wasn't a complete moron.

    The man offers no credibility and is best ignored !!

     

     

     

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  • Erowid420Erowid420 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by SuperCrap


    No, you are wrong.  Don't you understand this website is funded through advertising from game companies??  Do you really think it is appropriate that the company can get free advertising through the back door by planting a "blogger" in the game community who posts constant advertisement articles about the game [hypothetically].  This is, essentially, spam and it undercuts MMORPGs bottom line.  I'm not saying this is definitely the case with Paragus, I'm just saying it APPEARS to be the case, not just to me, but from this thread you can see that many people have noticed the same thing.  It does not appear to be personal blogging, it appears to be advertisement spam from the game's developers, essentially what you would expect to see on the developer's own website if they actually had an active website that had been updated in the last few months.
     
    THE BOTTOM LINE IS that whether Paragus is actually a shill or just acting exactly like a shill in character, the net effect is the same, any game developer with half a brain will see this and understand it is good advertising strategy to plant "community bloggers" on some of the big websites like this one then they can get free advertising without having to pay for it.  If it is essentially the same as free advertising, whether Paragus is getting paid or is simply a dupe becomes a moot point.  
     
    That's the argument being made here, in my opinion.  Obviously many of the community members here have a lot of love and respect for this site and they don't like to see it tarnished by blogger "shills" which undercut what is supposed to be a community of honest gamers giving their thoughts and perspectives without regard to, for example, paychecks they might be getting from the game developers, which I'm not saying is the case with Paragus, I'm just saying if a game developer was paying someone to shill for them I would expect to see pretty much what Paragus is doing in his blog, so whether he is actually getting paid by them or not it amounts to the same thing, "shill" in practice or in effect.  And it taints the community.



    /agree

    Don't know how I missed this post, but SuperCrap sums it up perfectly.

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  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Devour

    He's became a very, VERY sycophantic fankiddie, and an obvious shill. He's claimed to "have the ear of the developers" which, to me, suggests that he's doing nothing more than working the propaganda machine in order to get more subs for the game, and to feed Tasos' hunger for fankiddism.
    I mean, if he doesn't get removed, at least give a disclaimer that the information is probably extremely heavily biased TOWARDS Darkfall, because - I don't know about you - but I don't find the fact that new players may be convinced by heavy handed pro-Darkfall crap, just because it seems to be official and on the front page.
    TL;DR:
    Either remove Paragus1 from "Spotlight Blogs", or change him to something like "Official Darkfall Blog", so that people know to be wary of anything he might say.



    I think they should replace Paragus with someone totally non-biased towards Darkfall like yourself. You appear to be a pretty neutral poster without any bias whatsoever.

  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by Devour
     
    He's became a very, VERY sycophantic fankiddie, and an obvious shill. He's claimed to "have the ear of the developers" which, to me, suggests that he's doing nothing more than working the propaganda machine in order to get more subs for the game, and to feed Tasos' hunger for fankiddism.

    I mean, if he doesn't get removed, at least give a disclaimer that the information is probably extremely heavily biased TOWARDS Darkfall, because - I don't know about you - but I don't find the fact that new players may be convinced by heavy handed pro-Darkfall crap, just because it seems to be official and on the front page.

    TL;DR:

    Either remove Paragus1 from "Spotlight Blogs", or change him to something like "Official Darkfall Blog", so that people know to be wary of anything he might say.

     



    I think they should replace Paragus with someone totally non-biased towards Darkfall like yourself. You appear to be a pretty neutral poster without any bias whatsoever.

    Aye, and he has plenty of experience in actually playing the game it seems.

  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893

     Ah the internet age and decline of journalistic ethics.

    It is a personal blog and that changes things a bit but at minimum the tagline needs to go. Actually just putting that tagline at the top makes the rest of his writings suspect. 

    "Paragus Rants

    MMORPG.com Spotlight Blog - I've seen it all. The good times and the bad. I am the stereotypical veteran, guild leader, and lover of MMOs. Join me in an objective discussion about what went right, what went wrong, and simply how it is."

     

  • TrashcantoyTrashcantoy Member Posts: 827

     i have to agree with the OP, i dont see why his blogs are highlighted over others.. maybe i should just start a blog on wars in Anarchy Online.. no1 wants to read it but at least ill get on the homepage for it. same with DF.. "WWI" gimme a break! its a game not a life (at least to the normal ppl out there)

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  • daarcodaarco Member UncommonPosts: 4,276
    Originally posted by 3on1


     i have to agree with the OP, i dont see why his blogs are highlighted over others.. maybe i should just start a blog on wars in Anarchy Online.. no1 wants to read it but at least ill get on the homepage for it. same with DF.. "WWI" gimme a break! its a game not a life (at least to the normal ppl out there)



     

    I would read it! Do it.

  • Einstein-DFEinstein-DF Member Posts: 752

     Should be ashamed of yourself for starting this thread.

     

    What a joke.

  • JordanJaxJordanJax Member Posts: 43

    Does anyone else find it hilarious that some people on these boards worshipped that Eurogamer review that was written by an admitted WoW fanboi who played the game a total of 3 hours and was filled with outright lies, innacuracies and half-truths like it was the last bastion of truth and purity on the planet then in the same breath attack things like Paragus' blog which, while certainly has a positive slant, hasn't any of those negative attributes?

    odd. 

    Well, unless you have an agenda i guess.  Then it makes perfect sense.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334

    Devour, if you don't like a person's blog, write a better one. If more people visit yours than his, the spotlight will more than likely be yours.

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  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863

    It never ceases to amaze me the amount of retarded threads being made on this site. Seriously haven't you got ANYTHING better to do then to make a thread on something so ridiculously trivial and asinine.

    One word - pathetic.

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  • StraddenStradden Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696
    Originally posted by 3on1


     i have to agree with the OP, i dont see why his blogs are highlighted over others.. maybe i should just start a blog on wars in Anarchy Online.. no1 wants to read it but at least ill get on the homepage for it. same with DF.. "WWI" gimme a break! its a game not a life (at least to the normal ppl out there)

     

    Do it, and do it as thoroughly and professionally and I'll be happy to highlight it.

    Oh, and as to the "no one wants to read it" comment... Darkfall content consistently draws a large number of views and reads. I'm afraid that the facts just don't back up what you're saying in this case.

    Cheers,
    Jon Wood
    Managing Editor
    MMORPG.com

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074
    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    So we've run out of things about the game that are considered troll worthy and have now moved onto people who post PERSONAL BLOGS about the game.
    How fucking sad must your life actually be. Wait!!!! I've found an alternative, DON'T READ IT. After 2 seconds of doing so it's obvious to a lobotomised platypus that his blog is for people who are interested in ACTUALLY PLAYING the game not bashing on it.



     

    It's not a personal blog anymore when mmorpg.com uses it as a featurette or whatever they want to call it. In other words, instead of leaving his blog alongside the many other personal blogs for people to sift through, they put it on the front page with a nice title and description along with the other news. So if this blogger is going to get special attention over other bloggers, he should at least be held to a journalist standard, which is to seek out the truth and report on the good AND the bad.

  • ElGuappoElGuappo Member Posts: 94

    Does anyone else think the response to DFO is now turning into a witchunt?

    If someone on the site thought there was something a bit suspect about a biased blog then fair enough; post it on the forum and get other peoples take. But why insult the guy based on opinion? Why sling mud, calling into question his ethics and integrity simply because you don't like what he has to say? Why not just highlight it without the vitriol?

    There's surely as much an agenda in the efforts to discredit DFO and its supporters as this thread says there is in the blog.

    The ruptured capillaries in your nose belie the clarity of your wisdom.

  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566
    Originally posted by nate1980

    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    So we've run out of things about the game that are considered troll worthy and have now moved onto people who post PERSONAL BLOGS about the game.
    How fucking sad must your life actually be. Wait!!!! I've found an alternative, DON'T READ IT. After 2 seconds of doing so it's obvious to a lobotomised platypus that his blog is for people who are interested in ACTUALLY PLAYING the game not bashing on it.



     

    It's not a personal blog anymore when mmorpg.com uses it as a featurette or whatever they want to call it. In other words, instead of leaving his blog alongside the many other personal blogs for people to sift through, they put it on the front page with a nice title and description along with the other news. So if this blogger is going to get special attention over other bloggers, he should at least be held to a journalist standard, which is to seek out the truth and report on the good AND the bad.

    It seems you don't know the difference between a review and a blog.

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by Stradden

    Originally posted by 3on1


     i have to agree with the OP, i dont see why his blogs are highlighted over others.. maybe i should just start a blog on wars in Anarchy Online.. no1 wants to read it but at least ill get on the homepage for it. same with DF.. "WWI" gimme a break! its a game not a life (at least to the normal ppl out there)

     

    Do it, and do it as thoroughly and professionally and I'll be happy to highlight it.

    Oh, and as to the "no one wants to read it" comment... Darkfall content consistently draws a large number of views and reads. I'm afraid that the facts just don't back up what you're saying in this case.

     

    I have no issue with his blog.

    But, you haven't just been spotlighting it, you have been posting it on your front page, weekly.

    But you have like, what? 3 corespondents, and a blogger for one game? Little disproportionate to any other game. I know its all about the numbers, but the reason it gets so many reads is because of the shear number (weekly front page) and the fact that you treat them as news. Your fanning the flame to ramp up viewership (only site to do so BTW using this title). This has been the failing direction of the site since 2003. Instead of posting real content, that takes some responsibility, you pull from you reader base (like you do with most news, you pull it from the forums) and then plaster it up all over the front page, and completely dodge the bullet of having to take ANY responsibility for its content.

    Conveniently.

     

    Other than that, yeah this call/thread was stupid. I would enjoy you guys spotlighting some other, more worthy blogs, at least for some variety.

     

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  • unrealunreal Member Posts: 53

    Oh come on, you people are incredible. Paragus1 is a great writer and if you consider yourself offended by his articles just don't read them anymore. It's a free world ;)

    And all he did this last time, was illustrate facts and interview people. And he also pinned the siege exploit. So I hardly see that as biassed...

  • andmillerandmiller Member Posts: 374

    This is a really, really insulting thread.  I think DF is crap.  I have watched my buddy play it and laughed at how bad I thought it was.  But what does that have to do with Paragus however?  A blog is a blog.  Taken from dictionary.com:

    Main Entry: blog

    Part of Speech: n

    Definition: an online diary; a personal chronological log of thoughts published on a Web page; also called Weblog, Web log

    Example: Typically updated daily, blogs often reflect the personality of the author.

     

    It is his thoughts, his opinions.  And overall, he is a very solid writer.  Even as someone who would not play DF (unless they fix some MAJOR issues), I actually enjoy reading his posts because they are well written.  What exactly are you people looking for?  Bloggers that only mirror your opinions?  A blog, by definition, is not supposed to be "objective", it is a collection of one's personal opinons.  What a ridiculous and insulting post. 

     

    I have an idea, why don't you start a thread, and blog on one particular subject, anything, and let us all tear it apart.......

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074
    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Originally posted by nate1980

    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    So we've run out of things about the game that are considered troll worthy and have now moved onto people who post PERSONAL BLOGS about the game.
    How fucking sad must your life actually be. Wait!!!! I've found an alternative, DON'T READ IT. After 2 seconds of doing so it's obvious to a lobotomised platypus that his blog is for people who are interested in ACTUALLY PLAYING the game not bashing on it.



     

    It's not a personal blog anymore when mmorpg.com uses it as a featurette or whatever they want to call it. In other words, instead of leaving his blog alongside the many other personal blogs for people to sift through, they put it on the front page with a nice title and description along with the other news. So if this blogger is going to get special attention over other bloggers, he should at least be held to a journalist standard, which is to seek out the truth and report on the good AND the bad.

    It seems you don't know the difference between a review and a blog.



     

    Hey, I've read the entire thread, including all your venom filled posts. Search my post history and you'll see I don't post in the DF forums. I'm talking about fairness here. I've read a couple of his blogs and they were good, but that's not the point. The point is everything on the front page gets special attention by the community, because it's within easy reach. I love it that the news, featurettes, reviews, and so on are on the front page, because I can easily access them. What I find weird is that a blog, and yes I know what a blog is, is among the headlines. In my opinon, blogs should stay with other blogs. Once a blog is elevated into headlines on a regular basis, it becomes official in the communities eyes, whether or not it is in fact official.

    To sum it up, I could care less about Darkfall, the community, its bloggers, or whatever. I'm addressing the issue of a blogger getting special attention on the front page on a regular basis, which by reader standards, makes Paragus Rants an official piece, whether or not it in fact official. All the admins have to do is remove his blog from the front page and the special little title that goes with it, and put it back among the other blogs. That, or hold Paragus to a journalistic standard of unbiasness. The fact is that Paragus Rants is a well written blog, but what is perceived as being fact is Paragus Rants is an ongoing review of Darkfall, and a rather biased one at that. What's fact and what's perceived as fact doesn't really matter to the masses, because the masses will almost always go with what is perceived to be facts.

  • RuynRuyn Member Posts: 1,052

    You haters make me laugh.

  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334
    Originally posted by nate1980
    Hey, I've read the entire thread, including all your venom filled posts. Search my post history and you'll see I don't post in the DF forums. I'm talking about fairness here. I've read a couple of his blogs and they were good, but that's not the point. The point is everything on the front page gets special attention by the community, because it's within easy reach. I love it that the news, featurettes, reviews, and so on are on the front page, because I can easily access them. What I find weird is that a blog, and yes I know what a blog is, is among the headlines. In my opinon, blogs should stay with other blogs. Once a blog is elevated into headlines on a regular basis, it becomes official in the communities eyes, whether or not it is in fact official.
    To sum it up, I could care less about Darkfall, the community, its bloggers, or whatever. I'm addressing the issue of a blogger getting special attention on the front page on a regular basis, which by reader standards, makes Paragus Rants an official piece, whether or not it in fact official. All the admins have to do is remove his blog from the front page and the special little title that goes with it, and put it back among the other blogs. That, or hold Paragus to a journalistic standard of unbiasness. The fact is that Paragus Rants is a well written blog, but what is perceived as being fact is Paragus Rants is an ongoing review of Darkfall, and a rather biased one at that. What's fact and what's perceived as fact doesn't really matter to the masses, because the masses will almost always go with what is perceived to be facts.

     

    MMORPG.com highlights work created by their community. That's pretty cool, actually. Is it that there are other blogs here you wouldlike to see spotlighted instead of his, or is it that you just don't want to see his?

     

    I'm hoping it's not that you feel none of the community efforts should be spotlighted, but I'm fearing the unfortunate reality that this is really your stance here.

     

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  • Vince_GVince_G Member Posts: 85

    um.. It a blog.. if you don't like it just don't read it. probelm solved

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