Ok so I put a list together on Newegg I tried to do deals and get items with free shipping This came out to just under $1500 Please tell me if I missed ANYTHING (like cables or connectors or whatever) and what I should change
Take another look at that motherboard mate, it doesn't take DDR3 and has no IGP (even though it says so on the box!). So either change your RAM to DDR2 or go with a different motherboard, I got the Asus M4A78T-E different chipset (790GX) but has an IGP and supports DDR3.
If you can't get another SLI board you may want to consider crossfire with ATI or getting an Nvidia dual GPU card (Though I still believe a single card is better).
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Intel Core i7 920 $288.99 As can be clearly seen by the gaming benches, CPUs really don't make much a difference to performance. On the other hand you need to spend atleast $194 on a motherboard with a Core i7, and their chips cost 10% more. Ontop of it neither of the Intel products have an upgrade future. Intel Core i7 drops support soon with Intel Core i5, Intel Socket 775 has already stopped future development. Where as with AMD you can use motherboards from 2006, this will probably stop when a Fusion chip is released. Simply for gaming using an Intel solution will cost more and garner no real improvements for gaming tasks. Also with more productivity tasks going to the GPU, its even losing ground in areas were the CPU traditionally mattered. To me wasting a money on a Core i7 if you are aiming at a gaming computer is impractical, just like investing in a now dead socket. I still would recommend a Core i7 920 if he wasn't aiming at making a gaming machine. On the overclocking front Core i7 920 gets to 4.0 ghz with stock voltage, AMD 955BE gets to 3.8 ghz at stock both being 1.35v. The Core i7 is also more effecient then the Phenom II in clock to clock.
well lets not look at others hard work lets looks at real world
so to recap what real world stats and prices (not the ones you looked up with no hands on Exp.)
INTEL
Intel i7 920 Stock 2.66 @ 1.23volts (not 1.35) on air Temps @ 25c idle ~ 40c under load
Intel i7 920 Overclocked 4.2 @ 1.35volts (lol...) on air Temps @ 30c idle ~ 55c under load $220 usd
Intel i7 920 MAX Overclocked 4.9~5.0 @ ? volts on water Temps @ ?
MAX DDR3 2000 (oh yea)
(heres you price to Performance right there)
AMD
AMD 'black" Stock 3.0~ 3.2 @ 1.35volts on air temps ? (i heard not bad)
AMD 'black" Overclocked 3.9 @ 1.5Volts (not 1.35 holy shit) on air temps ? $245 usd
AMD 'black" MAX Overclocked 3.9 @ 1.5Volts (not 1.35 holy shit) on air temps ? (LOL)
MAX DDR3 1600 (tisk tisk)
(and from what i hear. this Price/Performance...... you are brakein your own rules.....there is not much better than the 940. and the "BLACK" your paying more for a revamped Chip.....lol
So your telling me that i "should not" waste money on a setup that is alittle more performance than an AMD.... for the price? at the same time you are doing the opposite of what your telling me with the jump from a 940 to the 955b? and stating that AMD is a better choice than INTEL becuase price / performance?.....WTF is wrong with AMD fans . your blind Fanboy Shit is realy getting old)
SO
Intel Chip $220 top of the line MB (Evga) $280 Total $490 usd
Amd Chip $245 top of the line MB (ASUA i think) $199 Total $445 usd
the I7 Can over clock higher than any AMD and has real world DIFFERENCE IN GAMES. Only @ stock i7 speeds Can the "Black" at "stock" even touch the I7 (fuck your BS benchmarks) For 45$ more....lol
that's your price per performance...lol
And despite my complete lack of faith with benchmarks, i looked around and just googled AMD "Black" vs Intel I7 all i got was Benchmarks Pitting the "Black" Against Lower end Intel CPUS (E8600 Q9550). and the "Black" could only beat thoses chips in a few Benchmarks. LOLOLOL
Even AMD BIAS websites Admitted that the Black just nips at the i7 and that was a FEAT!!. lololol
Spread your BS somewhere else
And Sense you rely on the Faith of All benchmarks to be true and holy.... then this one should be true, too.... right ?
AMD is low-end broke-ass gamer solutions to a "INTEL WORLD". AMD Fans try and take one little perk that your Tech has, and overcast that to people that dont know better. You Changed this guys mind about what he came here looking to buy.. He wanted an I7 and you Spit out your Crap and now hes going to AMD..... Good luck with that PC man way to spend your money Based off of NO ONE IN HERE HAS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL YOU......
you ever wonder why AMD Fanboys Are in small numbers? And i wonder why there is a large amount Of AMD fans on MMORPG....
could it be that MMO's Are traditionally, Easy as shit to run with A Low end PC and that why these forums are full of AMD Fans...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Have to say I agree with the guy above. I run two systems one with AMD and one with a Core i7 920. Before my new intel system I did a lot of work looking into what to buy. Intel at the moment is just better for the price. When the price of better i7's come down i will be upgrading, but with overclocking abilities you have to spend a little more and get a lot more with intel. AMD has all but said they are going to basically scrap their current line and focus on economical higher end cpu's in the theme of what ASUS has done making computers and notebooks.
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power
I have this As well in my girls PC its nice...
MB: ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
ASUS is good but i dont know thier Bios to well... Inlight of OCing...EVGA is sweet IF you go EVGA and you need help OCing it ,will be easier for me to help you with it
Go with 2 GTX 9800+ will kick that card for the same price. DX 11 with Back support to DX10 will be out by the end of the year... you will have greater resale value seilling a "Sli Pair" rather than a Single GPU...IF you feel like upgrading..
you can Also keep one of those GPUs and set it up as a Phisix Card for added help in the nexGen games....there are like alot out now...and Alot of new apps...(Sir_Drip Approved)
HARDWARE
Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
Go with min 1680 X 1050 i would go with 24 1900 X 1200 Thoses Cards will support a better Rez with that setup, . if you have the extra money
Printer: LEXMARK X4850 mass 16Z0000 Up to 30 ppm 4800 x 1200 dpi Wireless Thermal Inkjet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
Headset: Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset
I use a Xbox 360 remote and headset
SOFTWARE
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders
Cheap and good... to tide you over untill windows 7 retail comes out
Office: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Licensed for 3 PCs
I Dont use it
If you get all this a Newegg it will be a but more money.... Do some shopping you can get that price down 100$ +
I got that CPU, CASE, AND, MEMORY @ MICROCENTER for much cheaper saved over $140
PS if you want more hands on help Come by our website and Register. then Hit us up on Teamspeak
and also if money isnt easy to come by ....if you can get away with it...i would wait till the end of the summer before you buy. there is going to be a whole new wave of tech on every side. DX11, windows 7, GTX 300's, and next Gen Games.....
If you want to play it safe....Me personaly i dont mind upgrading alot.. cause i resale all my old systems. and cut down on the price of upgrading.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Someone posted about how Nivida was pointless cause physix was not in many games, or coming out.
sum readin for you...something ATI cant help you with.
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth it are in RED but thats just me...
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
City of Villains Cryptic Studios PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Entropia Universe MindArk PC
Fallen Earth Icarus Studios PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hero's Jorney Simutronics PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Huxley Webzen, Inc PC, X360
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
Pirates of the Burning Sea Flying Lab Software PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod Epic Games PC
Warfare GFI Russia PC
Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction Net Devil PC
W.E.L.L. Online Sibilant Interactive PC
Winterheart's Guild Zelian Games PC, X360
WorldShift Black Sea Studios PC
Red Fraction PC
And more importaint the Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine-3 witch are 2 new Engines that Alot of MMOS are running or thinking about.
Some of the MMOs
Tera
Blade and Soul
there are more but you do the reserach...you all love to do it
And more to come...its the future
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My boss just put me up to 25+ hours from 10 hours a week so I will be getting about $350 every other week. I was hoping to get a new PC soon because I currently only have this PoS computer that can't run anything.
My boss just put me up to 25+ hours from 10 hours a week so I will be getting about $350 every other week. I was hoping to get a new PC soon because I currently only have this PoS computer that can't run anything.
first post the specs of the "POS" you have now ...lol......u never know what you have and what can be salvaged...(Meaning i could make a working PC out of what you have, and It might have Resale Value. Or you could drop a Little into it, to get you through the summer.)
Or you can be like me and just buy shit....
now the key thing to remember is to buy Hardware that can last @ least 2 years... (that's your goal) then some of the parts to keep the cost down when you upgrade. there will always be somone willing to buy your scraps.
the other parts, if you buy the right Shit they can last for the next 4 years. then sell it
Parts: 2 years (upgrade core)
CPU
MB
RAM
GPU
Hard drives in raid0
Parts 3~4 years (Core)
Monitor
PSU
hard drive (single)
BlueRay
Case
Sound Card
Speakers (if your nice to them)
the saying with anything in life.."if you go cheap expect to replace it faster."
Some of these people think that in the PC world that doesn't hold true....and we all know why.
So if you can buy the right Hardware, even tho you will spend a little more... you will be better off in the long run.
I will break down each piece of a PC, and how to spend..
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2 year hardware(Upgrade Core) : this is up to you, if you want to run low end - High-end... its up to you ( What you have posted so far has been good)
Just know if you go low-end, half way through that 2 years, you will run into lack of Support and Bad performance.
If you go med to high-end you will be able to stretch that further.....Super high end you are going the distance.
3~4 year hardware (Core) this is where you put your money first, and make sure its solid. "Core" can be passed to 1~8 PC's when you upgrade.... if you Take care of your shit.
So lets brake it down
We are going to start with the "CORE" 3~4 year
PSU:
You will hear people tell you don't go with a expensive one....lol The same people that spent their life savings on a dell, that will never see a SLI or Tri System...Nor raided Drives, or Multi devices... the cry of the broke man!....they will post specs on volts and amps in a desperate cry to keep people from having what that cant......I say all this, so you WONT listen.
Do not go cheap on your "POWER"!!!! it runs everything in your PC!!! 1000 watt will soon be the min PSU from now on. The same "nay" say'ers told us that 500 watts PSU were to much, and nothing would use them.... 5 years ago....lol.
Antec, Corasiar, And OCZ make solid PSU's. I have used all of them for years. I have never had a DOA or to RMA one... I went with the Corsiar HX1000w for the reason its overkill now. But when i Tri Sli the GTX 300s i will be sitting on the fence.
With a solid buy here you Have a Upgrade Possibility's for the next 3~4 years
Note: Going with a lower watt cheaper model. will make you rebuy if you need to upgrade. I got the 1000w for $230 on sale ($340 retail) from Microcenter. Say you get the 750 watt. $150 and in 6 months you want to add Raid, sound card, storage drive.a few Burners, and the new Video card to make SLI. You Screwed. go ahead a pull all that shit out your PC or Rebuy a new PSU with higher Watts and 12v rails. So who knows what a 1000w will be in 6 months..... but lets say its the "Sale Value" $230 So $150 +$230= $380........ you payed twice in 6 months for PSU.! and could have just spent $380 on a great PSU !!
Right now the balancing point in games is 1920 X 1200 rez. "lesser" is a waste, "more" will cost" to much to upgrade your GPU to run new taxing games when that come out.
Meaning the 30" inch 2500 X 1600 is too much (unless you have a sickness like me and you just dont care..lol)
Every time a game comes out, say like when Crysis lanched. You would have to Grab a new GPU that could run it @ that rez . That can get pricey overtime.
Anything lower that 1900 x 1200 just looks like shit. Heres the point....The monitor is what shows you the picture of what your doing. A GPU can only make your Graphicss look better to the limit of the game's Programing. The monitors does the rest.
people are really clueless on this one. WHY the Fuck would you care how many frames you get if they look like shit.....you spend $2000 on a PC and you wont spend that on a monitor?...I laugh at you... People that say shit like "the Naked eye" are people that just came from a CRT or a 17" peg board for a screen. You pay $500 on A GPU and you think its going to make your Grapgics look better to your eyes by itsself?....Nope all it does, is lets you run everthing on higher Settings and smoother. (So in that sence yes to a point) But what the Monitor and GPU do together, RESOLUTION (monitor) AND "ANIT ALIAS" (GPU).!! The GPU gives your monitor the power to show it's Native RESOLUTION, and help Crunch thoes Pixels....Then it all comes down to the montior, the higher the Rez the better. If your not playin with more than 4x AA ( should be16x) @ more than 1680 X 1050....then you should be playing a PS3 or XBOX! Your an ass.... you paid $1000 for a PC that is the Same a Console...(test me....I have a whole thread I wrote about it)
the monitor is the Second most important Part of you PC. I have been a Digital painter for 14 years , and Worked with comicbook companies doing comp Coloring.
Note : The reason I have not gone with 2560X 1600 is cause I'm waiting on the NEW "OLED" monitors in the summer.
OLED tech is now the future of all Screens.... LCD and PLASMA are out.
Reason why you should look up OLED's one reason and for this reason alone
1,000,000 to 1 Contrast ratio!!! It turns off pixels to show "true Black".
What does this mean in gaming and Movies.?
Fucking everything. Untill now all Screens used a Type of backlight to show you the picture. When you shine light at black, it makes Grey. In order to see 3D or depth, you need Contrast. If your black is grey and you white is white, you are looking a 2D picture. So now a pixel that turns off to show you Pitch Black, will be like a jump from a 50's tube Tv, to a plasma. I have seen the first Sony 13' OLED and its like looking trough a window, at people on the other side....its scary. This will make every game that you have ever played 100% better. They will not be cheap...but they will be cheaper than when Plasma was released.... by 80%. The scoop is that LG or Smasung will have a 27" monitor by the summer (i hope)
and also a side note. the OLED screens can be rolled into a news paper and rolled back out ( holy shit ...right) that means they will be making the first Seamless Screens that can rap around your body for full 3D!!
Having a 10000 dollar PC.. only about 3k of that would make your Graphics look better and achieve max . the rest of the 7k is to overkill and make it run smooth...and bragging rights. Having a OLED is a better jump visually, than that whole PC combined. That justifies spending 5k on the monitor...If that's what it's going to cost.
CASE: until a new type of MB comes out.......Flat out the ANTECH 1200 is one of the Best, for a AIR Setup... (I do not use water, just don't trust water in my pc.)
I have used Full server towers my whole life...and out of every Company....I have never seen a Better Case.
Easy to remove an wash Filters for fans, movable bays for fans. Wind tunnels. The 200m Fan on top, to let the heat rise out....
And the compartment behind the MB to hid all your wires....shit you could use this Case for 10 years if Tech didn't change.
Cassette then cd, then dvd, then Blue Ray....its the new format... Go with it.. I haven't burned with Blue ray, but from what i remember, it has a 45gigs of space per disk. from DVD at 8gigs.... that alone makes it worth it.
And if you haven't seen a Blueray movie or game, on the right Screen. you are missing the best.
Most people use Sound cards for years... it takes about 3 years for a New OS to be developed, and with a new OS comes bad or no support. So go with any Card that Has the Latest Dolby Support. (DDL) and you can go wrong.
if you go cheap on speakers they will blow...If you play games like i do COD, battlefield, Crysis, AOC, and turn it up....those loud gunshots and bombs will kill you speakers... I go PC, to AV reciver, to Speakers.... look up reviews on speaker forums. and websites..... not newegg.
So after this wall of text i need a smoke. Use the template that you have, and look at what I'm saying here. You can do what ever your budget tells you too. Just make sure you put the money in the right places. and if its all to much at the end....then you cut corners first by shopping around..then looking for upcoming sales. then start cutting corners on 2 year parts....(you will be swapping them out before the "Core") "Core" will be around for longer.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My sister and I share the current PC I use and I want my own. I won't be able to sell it because it is hers too.
well i guess you have to build one then..lol
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo.
Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in this thread, is about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEL's core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not catch phrased, but REAL technology that will benefit you as a gamer and end-user.
Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
Operating System: Windows7 64bit $FREE (until October of 2010)
TOTAL: $910 bucks !!
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture.
Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..)
PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
post script:
What i have listed is a great system, cutting corners where available, but the one thing I would deffinatly add would be a CreativeLabs sound card. Upgrading to a HD4870 over the HD4770 and possibly a diff motherboard (ASUS P6T), etc...
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo. Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in thsi thread about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEl core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not cacth phrased, but REAl technology that will benefit you as a gamer and a user. Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture. Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..) PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
Too many people spend time on the peripheral crap and have to get a new motherboard/CPU/ram a year later. You can also get a SSD a year or so down the road, when the prices come down, though they don't offer much if you aren't on a laptop..
Windows 7 is more solid playing as an RC than Vista is with SP2. Plus, you got over year to save pennies for the final release.
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo. Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in this thread, is about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEL's core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not catch phrased, but REAL technology that will benefit you as a gamer and end-user. Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture. Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..) PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
post script: What i have listed is a great system, cutting corners where available, but the one thing I would deffinatly add would be a CreativeLabs sound card. Upgrading to a HD4870 over the HD4770 and possibly a diff motherboard (ASUS P6T), etc...
you just stated all of which i told him and then say since we are all Trolls and "marketing and ignorance"
now the same Build (for the most part) is better cause it now came from your mouth.....?
marketing and ignorance... I recomend him that setup becuase I Have run thid High-end tech for years. and all of which i sifted through the crap and found what realy works..Not reading online Hype.
can you back your claims up? whats under your hood punk.
PS 550 w PSU? you smokin the pipe?
ALL Products PC or not are hyped. So what.
Aside from the battles we have been fighting on this thread, I think i speak for Nvidia and ATI fans alike...you suck
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo. Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in thsi thread about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEl core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not cacth phrased, but REAl technology that will benefit you as a gamer and a user. Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture. Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..) PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
Too many people spend time on the peripheral crap and have to get a new motherboard/CPU/ram a year later. You can also get a SSD a year or so down the road, when the prices come down, though they don't offer much if you aren't on a laptop..
Windows 7 is more solid playing as an RC than Vista is with SP2. Plus, you got over year to save pennies for the final release.
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
The power supply dosent support the I7 so you will be lucky if the computer will even turn on...let alone post! The new Ati GFX card for $100.00 bucks.....In 2 months it will be $60.00 bucks....We all know what that $60.00 card is going to do for you later!. (Make you MAD!) A 80 gig HD?
So... realy? The smartest thing you've seen on the thread. You must be Theory's brother!
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo. Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in this thread, is about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEL's core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not catch phrased, but REAL technology that will benefit you as a gamer and end-user. Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture. Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..) PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
post script: What i have listed is a great system, cutting corners where available, but the one thing I would deffinatly add would be a CreativeLabs sound card. Upgrading to a HD4870 over the HD4770 and possibly a diff motherboard (ASUS P6T), etc...
Good post although we might quibble on the MOBO and PSU. I think 550 is a bit too low especially if you want to run CrossfireX, which will make your system to last longer between upgrades. I would say at the least get a beefier PSU and give yourself the option to add a second card without having to upgrade the PSU at a later date.
/carry on
-edit : I think the point the above poster made is Correct a good gaming system can be made for far less than $1500
- You also may want to go with 32 mb cache HD's and get 3 you can raid the 2 larger drives for a boost in performance and dump the windows virtual memory / swap file, with 6 gb's of ram you wont need it. You also may want to look into fooling around with ready boost but as far as I am concerned the jury is still out on how useful it is on high memory systems with large cache drives (doesn't look like much to me).
Everything else I think I'm good on. Newegg seems to have just about everything cheaper and with the combo discounts, it seems a lot easier just to get everything there.
Please help me decide quick because I want to buy it tomorrow (Friday).
And, for that PSU...rosewill is not a high ranking brand, i'm pretty sure its tier 3 you may notice some problems with it, go with somethin like Corsair they make some good ones Silverstone does too... Rosewill is kind of a generic brand, well its neweggs generic brand, i woudl say change that for sure, you have to make sure it puts out enough amps on the 12v rail
Tell you what, I bought a phenon 9850BE , the clock is 2.5ghz x2, with Biostar Tseries mobo, I was able to easily over clock the chip to 3.1ghz, though I am not over clocking it now until I get a better heatsink and fan . If you want to overclock the chip, AMD phenon, is what your looking for .
Errm.... You can take the i7 920 up to 4.0 ghz on each core easily, you cant use the stock heatsink but it will go to 4.0 ghz with the greatest of ease on air. so really if you wanna overclock the i7 will not only futureproof you, but will give you more bang than you really need for the 280$ it costs.
Edit: not to mention the i7 detects as 8 cores, because it is a 4 core processor with 2 threads on each core... it's an absolute powerhouse for the price, and you wont have to upgrade the processor for a very long time.
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Ok so I put a list together on Newegg
I tried to do deals and get items with free shipping
This came out to just under $1500
Please tell me if I missed ANYTHING (like cables or connectors or whatever) and what I should change
Hard Drive - HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
Monitor - Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Printer - G7 Productivity Systems VersaJette(tm) M400.v8 Up to 22 ppm 4800 dpi InkJet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
Video Card - 2x XFX PVT98WYDFU GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
RAM - OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK
CPU COOLER - ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
Headset - Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset
Speakers - Cyber Acoustics CA-2014rb 4 watts 2.0 Speaker
PSU - Antec TruePower Quattro TPQ-1000 1000W Continuous Power ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
Case -Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX
Motherboard - ASUS M4N82 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI AMD Motherboard
Take another look at that motherboard mate, it doesn't take DDR3 and has no IGP (even though it says so on the box!). So either change your RAM to DDR2 or go with a different motherboard, I got the Asus M4A78T-E different chipset (790GX) but has an IGP and supports DDR3.
If you can't get another SLI board you may want to consider crossfire with ATI or getting an Nvidia dual GPU card (Though I still believe a single card is better).
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
well lets not look at others hard work lets looks at real world
I owned this a week ago
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Antec 1200 full tower
Quad Core Q9450 overclocked @3.6
Zalman 9700 CPU cooler
EVGA 790i ultra
Munchkin DDR3 4gigs 1600 7.7.6:18 T
EVGA GTX 295 Overclocked @ 690/ 1468/ 1166
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
the MAX i could play Crysis was
Settings High 4x AA 1920 x 1200 @ Avg 35 Frames (not bad at all)
My new Rig:
I Upgraded the CPU / MB / Sound card + 5.1 AV Surond. and downgraded the GPU / Qualty of Memory....Micro center did not have Munchin)
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Creative X-fi Fatalty Chamion ed Sound card
Pioneer elite AV 5.1 home theater and Infinty sound system (DDL)
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
the MAX i could play Crysis was
Settings very High 16Qx AA 1920 x 1200 @ Avg 46 Frames (no fucking way...lol)
and you said "Simply for gaming using an Intel solution will cost more and garner no real improvements for gaming tasks.?"
and the i7 had nothing to do with my Massive jump...lol
I down grade my GPU from a dual GPU to a single and still destroyed my last rig.
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so to recap what real world stats and prices (not the ones you looked up with no hands on Exp.)
INTEL
Intel i7 920 Stock 2.66 @ 1.23volts (not 1.35) on air Temps @ 25c idle ~ 40c under load
Intel i7 920 Overclocked 4.2 @ 1.35volts (lol...) on air Temps @ 30c idle ~ 55c under load $220 usd
Intel i7 920 MAX Overclocked 4.9~5.0 @ ? volts on water Temps @ ?
MAX DDR3 2000 (oh yea)
(heres you price to Performance right there)
AMD
AMD 'black" Stock 3.0~ 3.2 @ 1.35volts on air temps ? (i heard not bad)
AMD 'black" Overclocked 3.9 @ 1.5Volts (not 1.35 holy shit) on air temps ? $245 usd
AMD 'black" MAX Overclocked 3.9 @ 1.5Volts (not 1.35 holy shit) on air temps ? (LOL)
MAX DDR3 1600 (tisk tisk)
(and from what i hear. this Price/Performance...... you are brakein your own rules.....there is not much better than the 940. and the "BLACK" your paying more for a revamped Chip.....lol
So your telling me that i "should not" waste money on a setup that is alittle more performance than an AMD.... for the price? at the same time you are doing the opposite of what your telling me with the jump from a 940 to the 955b? and stating that AMD is a better choice than INTEL becuase price / performance?.....WTF is wrong with AMD fans . your blind Fanboy Shit is realy getting old)
SO
Intel Chip $220 top of the line MB (Evga) $280 Total $490 usd
Amd Chip $245 top of the line MB (ASUA i think) $199 Total $445 usd
the I7 Can over clock higher than any AMD and has real world DIFFERENCE IN GAMES. Only @ stock i7 speeds Can the "Black" at "stock" even touch the I7 (fuck your BS benchmarks) For 45$ more....lol
that's your price per performance...lol
And despite my complete lack of faith with benchmarks, i looked around and just googled AMD "Black" vs Intel I7 all i got was Benchmarks Pitting the "Black" Against Lower end Intel CPUS (E8600 Q9550). and the "Black" could only beat thoses chips in a few Benchmarks. LOLOLOL
Even AMD BIAS websites Admitted that the Black just nips at the i7 and that was a FEAT!!. lololol
Spread your BS somewhere else
And Sense you rely on the Faith of All benchmarks to be true and holy.... then this one should be true, too.... right ?
http://www.cluboc.net/REVIEWS/cpu/amd/PhenomII940Black/p1.asp the E8600 Intel stomps it in most cases. and you think you can chill with the I7............lol
AMD is low-end broke-ass gamer solutions to a "INTEL WORLD". AMD Fans try and take one little perk that your Tech has, and overcast that to people that dont know better. You Changed this guys mind about what he came here looking to buy.. He wanted an I7 and you Spit out your Crap and now hes going to AMD..... Good luck with that PC man way to spend your money Based off of NO ONE IN HERE HAS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL YOU......
you ever wonder why AMD Fanboys Are in small numbers? And i wonder why there is a large amount Of AMD fans on MMORPG....
could it be that MMO's Are traditionally, Easy as shit to run with A Low end PC and that why these forums are full of AMD Fans...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Improved list?
COMPUTER
Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power
MB: ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
CPU Cooler: Vigor Monsoon III LT Dual 120mm Fan CPU Cooler Socket 1366 Ready
HD: Western Digital Caviar GP WD7500AACS 750GB 5400 to 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
RAM: OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop
GPU: PNY VCGGTX275XPB GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
HARDWARE
Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
Printer: LEXMARK X4850 mass 16Z0000 Up to 30 ppm 4800 x 1200 dpi Wireless Thermal Inkjet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA-2014rb 4 watts 2.0 Speaker
Headset: Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset
SOFTWARE
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders
Office: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Licensed for 3 PCs
Came out to about $1800
Is everything compatible?
Did I miss anything?
What should I change now?
Have to say I agree with the guy above. I run two systems one with AMD and one with a Core i7 920. Before my new intel system I did a lot of work looking into what to buy. Intel at the moment is just better for the price. When the price of better i7's come down i will be upgrading, but with overclocking abilities you have to spend a little more and get a lot more with intel. AMD has all but said they are going to basically scrap their current line and focus on economical higher end cpu's in the theme of what ASUS has done making computers and notebooks.
COMPUTER
Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
GREAT Wait till you see the case, it has a compartment to hide all your wires behind the MB look at mine
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PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power
I have this As well in my girls PC its nice...
MB: ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
ASUS is good but i dont know thier Bios to well... Inlight of OCing...EVGA is sweet IF you go EVGA and you need help OCing it ,will be easier for me to help you with it
CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
Oh yea
CPU Cooler: Vigor Monsoon III LT Dual 120mm Fan CPU Cooler Socket 1366 Ready
know nothing about this. look for a review. i went with the Coolmaster V8 (thats all they had at microcenter , and i couldnt wait)
HD: Western Digital Caviar GP WD7500AACS 750GB 5400 to 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
I love WD and there Cross Ship RMA....But stay away from a 5400.. go strait 7200 or higher (Sir_Drip Approved)
RAM: OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop
this is one of the two memory sticks, that works best with that MB
GPU: PNY VCGGTX275XPB GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI SupportedVideoCard
Go with 2 GTX 9800+ will kick that card for the same price. DX 11 with Back support to DX10 will be out by the end of the year... you will have greater resale value seilling a "Sli Pair" rather than a Single GPU...IF you feel like upgrading..
you can Also keep one of those GPUs and set it up as a Phisix Card for added help in the nexGen games....there are like alot out now...and Alot of new apps...(Sir_Drip Approved)
HARDWARE
Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
Go with min 1680 X 1050 i would go with 24 1900 X 1200 Thoses Cards will support a better Rez with that setup, . if you have the extra money
Printer: LEXMARK X4850 mass 16Z0000 Up to 30 ppm 4800 x 1200 dpi Wireless Thermal Inkjet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
I dont print
Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA-2014rb 4 watts 2.0 Speaker
I use AV Dolby digtal Live
Headset: Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset
I use a Xbox 360 remote and headset
SOFTWARE
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders
Cheap and good... to tide you over untill windows 7 retail comes out
Office: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Licensed for 3 PCs
I Dont use it
If you get all this a Newegg it will be a but more money.... Do some shopping you can get that price down 100$ +
I got that CPU, CASE, AND, MEMORY @ MICROCENTER for much cheaper saved over $140
PS if you want more hands on help Come by our website and Register. then Hit us up on Teamspeak
and also if money isnt easy to come by ....if you can get away with it...i would wait till the end of the summer before you buy. there is going to be a whole new wave of tech on every side. DX11, windows 7, GTX 300's, and next Gen Games.....
If you want to play it safe....Me personaly i dont mind upgrading alot.. cause i resale all my old systems. and cut down on the price of upgrading.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Someone posted about how Nivida was pointless cause physix was not in many games, or coming out.
sum readin for you...something ATI cant help you with.
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth it are in RED but thats just me...
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
City of Villains Cryptic Studios PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Entropia Universe MindArk PC
Fallen Earth Icarus Studios PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hero's Jorney Simutronics PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Huxley Webzen, Inc PC, X360
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
Pirates of the Burning Sea Flying Lab Software PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent (multiplayer) Ubisoft Shanghai PC, X360
Tortuga: Two Treasures Ascaron Entertainment PC
Two Worlds Reality Pump PC
Ultra Tubes Eipix PC
Unreal Tournament 3 Epic Games PC, PS3, X360
Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod Epic Games PC
Warfare GFI Russia PC
Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction Net Devil PC
W.E.L.L. Online Sibilant Interactive PC
Winterheart's Guild Zelian Games PC, X360
WorldShift Black Sea Studios PC
Red Fraction PC
And more importaint the Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine-3 witch are 2 new Engines that Alot of MMOS are running or thinking about.
Some of the MMOs
Tera
Blade and Soul
there are more but you do the reserach...you all love to do it
And more to come...its the future
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My boss just put me up to 25+ hours from 10 hours a week so I will be getting about $350 every other week. I was hoping to get a new PC soon because I currently only have this PoS computer that can't run anything.
first post the specs of the "POS" you have now ...lol......u never know what you have and what can be salvaged...(Meaning i could make a working PC out of what you have, and It might have Resale Value. Or you could drop a Little into it, to get you through the summer.)
Or you can be like me and just buy shit....
now the key thing to remember is to buy Hardware that can last @ least 2 years... (that's your goal) then some of the parts to keep the cost down when you upgrade. there will always be somone willing to buy your scraps.
the other parts, if you buy the right Shit they can last for the next 4 years. then sell it
Parts: 2 years (upgrade core)
CPU
MB
RAM
GPU
Hard drives in raid0
Parts 3~4 years (Core)
Monitor
PSU
hard drive (single)
BlueRay
Case
Sound Card
Speakers (if your nice to them)
the saying with anything in life.."if you go cheap expect to replace it faster."
Some of these people think that in the PC world that doesn't hold true....and we all know why.
So if you can buy the right Hardware, even tho you will spend a little more... you will be better off in the long run.
I will break down each piece of a PC, and how to spend..
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2 year hardware(Upgrade Core) : this is up to you, if you want to run low end - High-end... its up to you ( What you have posted so far has been good)
Just know if you go low-end, half way through that 2 years, you will run into lack of Support and Bad performance.
If you go med to high-end you will be able to stretch that further.....Super high end you are going the distance.
3~4 year hardware (Core) this is where you put your money first, and make sure its solid. "Core" can be passed to 1~8 PC's when you upgrade.... if you Take care of your shit.
So lets brake it down
We are going to start with the "CORE" 3~4 year
PSU:
You will hear people tell you don't go with a expensive one....lol The same people that spent their life savings on a dell, that will never see a SLI or Tri System...Nor raided Drives, or Multi devices... the cry of the broke man!....they will post specs on volts and amps in a desperate cry to keep people from having what that cant......I say all this, so you WONT listen.
Do not go cheap on your "POWER"!!!! it runs everything in your PC!!! 1000 watt will soon be the min PSU from now on. The same "nay" say'ers told us that 500 watts PSU were to much, and nothing would use them.... 5 years ago....lol.
Antec, Corasiar, And OCZ make solid PSU's. I have used all of them for years. I have never had a DOA or to RMA one... I went with the Corsiar HX1000w for the reason its overkill now. But when i Tri Sli the GTX 300s i will be sitting on the fence.
With a solid buy here you Have a Upgrade Possibility's for the next 3~4 years
Note: Going with a lower watt cheaper model. will make you rebuy if you need to upgrade. I got the 1000w for $230 on sale ($340 retail) from Microcenter. Say you get the 750 watt. $150 and in 6 months you want to add Raid, sound card, storage drive.a few Burners, and the new Video card to make SLI. You Screwed. go ahead a pull all that shit out your PC or Rebuy a new PSU with higher Watts and 12v rails. So who knows what a 1000w will be in 6 months..... but lets say its the "Sale Value" $230 So $150 +$230= $380........ you payed twice in 6 months for PSU.! and could have just spent $380 on a great PSU !!
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Monitor :
Right now the balancing point in games is 1920 X 1200 rez. "lesser" is a waste, "more" will cost" to much to upgrade your GPU to run new taxing games when that come out.
Meaning the 30" inch 2500 X 1600 is too much (unless you have a sickness like me and you just dont care..lol)
Every time a game comes out, say like when Crysis lanched. You would have to Grab a new GPU that could run it @ that rez . That can get pricey overtime.
Anything lower that 1900 x 1200 just looks like shit. Heres the point....The monitor is what shows you the picture of what your doing. A GPU can only make your Graphicss look better to the limit of the game's Programing. The monitors does the rest.
people are really clueless on this one. WHY the Fuck would you care how many frames you get if they look like shit.....you spend $2000 on a PC and you wont spend that on a monitor?...I laugh at you... People that say shit like "the Naked eye" are people that just came from a CRT or a 17" peg board for a screen. You pay $500 on A GPU and you think its going to make your Grapgics look better to your eyes by itsself?....Nope all it does, is lets you run everthing on higher Settings and smoother. (So in that sence yes to a point) But what the Monitor and GPU do together, RESOLUTION (monitor) AND "ANIT ALIAS" (GPU).!! The GPU gives your monitor the power to show it's Native RESOLUTION, and help Crunch thoes Pixels....Then it all comes down to the montior, the higher the Rez the better. If your not playin with more than 4x AA ( should be16x) @ more than 1680 X 1050....then you should be playing a PS3 or XBOX! Your an ass.... you paid $1000 for a PC that is the Same a Console...(test me....I have a whole thread I wrote about it)
the monitor is the Second most important Part of you PC. I have been a Digital painter for 14 years , and Worked with comicbook companies doing comp Coloring.
Note : The reason I have not gone with 2560X 1600 is cause I'm waiting on the NEW "OLED" monitors in the summer.
OLED tech is now the future of all Screens.... LCD and PLASMA are out.
Reason why you should look up OLED's one reason and for this reason alone
1,000,000 to 1 Contrast ratio!!! It turns off pixels to show "true Black".
What does this mean in gaming and Movies.?
Fucking everything. Untill now all Screens used a Type of backlight to show you the picture. When you shine light at black, it makes Grey. In order to see 3D or depth, you need Contrast. If your black is grey and you white is white, you are looking a 2D picture. So now a pixel that turns off to show you Pitch Black, will be like a jump from a 50's tube Tv, to a plasma. I have seen the first Sony 13' OLED and its like looking trough a window, at people on the other side....its scary. This will make every game that you have ever played 100% better. They will not be cheap...but they will be cheaper than when Plasma was released.... by 80%. The scoop is that LG or Smasung will have a 27" monitor by the summer (i hope)
and also a side note. the OLED screens can be rolled into a news paper and rolled back out ( holy shit ...right) that means they will be making the first Seamless Screens that can rap around your body for full 3D!!
Having a 10000 dollar PC.. only about 3k of that would make your Graphics look better and achieve max . the rest of the 7k is to overkill and make it run smooth...and bragging rights. Having a OLED is a better jump visually, than that whole PC combined. That justifies spending 5k on the monitor...If that's what it's going to cost.
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CASE: until a new type of MB comes out.......Flat out the ANTECH 1200 is one of the Best, for a AIR Setup... (I do not use water, just don't trust water in my pc.)
I have used Full server towers my whole life...and out of every Company....I have never seen a Better Case.
Easy to remove an wash Filters for fans, movable bays for fans. Wind tunnels. The 200m Fan on top, to let the heat rise out....
And the compartment behind the MB to hid all your wires....shit you could use this Case for 10 years if Tech didn't change.
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Hard Drives. go with fast, data Size/ per Dollar, and RMA warranty.
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Blue Ray drive:
Cassette then cd, then dvd, then Blue Ray....its the new format... Go with it.. I haven't burned with Blue ray, but from what i remember, it has a 45gigs of space per disk. from DVD at 8gigs.... that alone makes it worth it.
And if you haven't seen a Blueray movie or game, on the right Screen. you are missing the best.
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Sound:
Most people use Sound cards for years... it takes about 3 years for a New OS to be developed, and with a new OS comes bad or no support. So go with any Card that Has the Latest Dolby Support. (DDL) and you can go wrong.
if you go cheap on speakers they will blow...If you play games like i do COD, battlefield, Crysis, AOC, and turn it up....those loud gunshots and bombs will kill you speakers... I go PC, to AV reciver, to Speakers.... look up reviews on speaker forums. and websites..... not newegg.
So after this wall of text i need a smoke. Use the template that you have, and look at what I'm saying here. You can do what ever your budget tells you too. Just make sure you put the money in the right places. and if its all to much at the end....then you cut corners first by shopping around..then looking for upcoming sales. then start cutting corners on 2 year parts....(you will be swapping them out before the "Core") "Core" will be around for longer.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My sister and I share the current PC I use and I want my own. I won't be able to sell it because it is hers too.
well i guess you have to build one then..lol
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
I've just read this thread and my brain hurts...
If you have $1500 to spend on a computer system, then you should be looking at the latest archetectures. It's easier to upgrade to the latest video card 15 months from now, to play the latest games, than it is to upgrade from an outdated platform/chasis/mobo.
Currently, that means AMD AM3 or Intel's LGA1366 sockets.
You can build a killer rig with exceptional longevity for $1500 bucks, most of these "ideas" posted in this thread, is about about marketing and ignorance... though a few had legitamate points and reasoning. As of today, the best platform to build a completely new computer system would be based on the INTEL's core i7 proccesors, that offers virtualization, on die memory controller and tripple channel memory. These are not catch phrased, but REAL technology that will benefit you as a gamer and end-user.
Windows 7 is coming out in October and will make good use of all these newer technologies (in both AMD or Itels new platforms) The older Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, , etc... are based of an older socket design (LGA775), which is still a good platform, but great for a budget build, not a $1500 rig.
So... lets get started! (New Egg)
Proccesor: Intel Core i7 $280
DDR3 Memory (latest technology) : Many choices but we'll stick with a reputable brand with lifetime warranty. Corsair 6GB $89
Motherboard: Foxconn FlamingBlade $180
Hard Drive #1: Western Digital Blue 80GB $35
Hard Drive #2: Western Digital Green 640GB $69
Video Card: Many choices, but at a minimum the newly released... HD4770 $100
Case: Antec 300 $55 (obviously, this will be a personal choice, but this case has a sound design.)
Power Supply: OCZ 550w SLI/Crossfire ready $75
DVD burner: LG DVD multi burner $25
Operating System: Windows7 64bit $FREE (until October of 2010)
TOTAL: $910 bucks !!
There is no reason not to center you new build around Intel's new proccesor and socket type. The advantage it offers moving forward is significant over the older Intel or AMD offering. Understand, that AMD will be offering it's new processors later this year to compete. But at this time, the correct and only choice when considering your price point is the Intel LFA1366 archetecture.
Now, you have an additional $500 bucks to spend on either choosing more appropriate components for your needs (ie: Bigger power supply, better video card, different computer case, etc..)
PLEASE, don't waste you time with 90% of these forum trolls, they are just not up to date with the current specs, tech or technology. Most have you buying outdated and EOL equipment.
-Anvil
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What i have listed is a great system, cutting corners where available, but the one thing I would deffinatly add would be a CreativeLabs sound card. Upgrading to a HD4870 over the HD4770 and possibly a diff motherboard (ASUS P6T), etc...
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
Too many people spend time on the peripheral crap and have to get a new motherboard/CPU/ram a year later. You can also get a SSD a year or so down the road, when the prices come down, though they don't offer much if you aren't on a laptop..
Windows 7 is more solid playing as an RC than Vista is with SP2. Plus, you got over year to save pennies for the final release.
you just stated all of which i told him and then say since we are all Trolls and "marketing and ignorance"
now the same Build (for the most part) is better cause it now came from your mouth.....?
marketing and ignorance... I recomend him that setup becuase I Have run thid High-end tech for years. and all of which i sifted through the crap and found what realy works..Not reading online Hype.
can you back your claims up? whats under your hood punk.
PS 550 w PSU? you smokin the pipe?
ALL Products PC or not are hyped. So what.
Aside from the battles we have been fighting on this thread, I think i speak for Nvidia and ATI fans alike...you suck
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
Too many people spend time on the peripheral crap and have to get a new motherboard/CPU/ram a year later. You can also get a SSD a year or so down the road, when the prices come down, though they don't offer much if you aren't on a laptop..
Windows 7 is more solid playing as an RC than Vista is with SP2. Plus, you got over year to save pennies for the final release.
The smartest thing I've seen on the thread.
The power supply dosent support the I7 so you will be lucky if the computer will even turn on...let alone post! The new Ati GFX card for $100.00 bucks.....In 2 months it will be $60.00 bucks....We all know what that $60.00 card is going to do for you later!. (Make you MAD!) A 80 gig HD?
So... realy? The smartest thing you've seen on the thread. You must be Theory's brother!
Good post although we might quibble on the MOBO and PSU. I think 550 is a bit too low especially if you want to run CrossfireX, which will make your system to last longer between upgrades. I would say at the least get a beefier PSU and give yourself the option to add a second card without having to upgrade the PSU at a later date.
/carry on
-edit : I think the point the above poster made is Correct a good gaming system can be made for far less than $1500
- You also may want to go with 32 mb cache HD's and get 3 you can raid the 2 larger drives for a boost in performance and dump the windows virtual memory / swap file, with 6 gb's of ram you wont need it. You also may want to look into fooling around with ready boost but as far as I am concerned the jury is still out on how useful it is on high memory systems with large cache drives (doesn't look like much to me).
I'm going to buy this Saturday
I need help with a few things.
Antec Twelve Hundred $160
Good case I hear
Rosewill RBR850-M 850W $140
I don't know if 850 is enough or too much but this one was cheap with case and decent reviews
Western Digital 640GB $75
32MB cache and discount with OS
Intel Core i7 $280
Teh best
ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 $250
One of the best reviewed X58 boards on Newegg
OCZ Platinum 6GB DDR3 1600 $95
Combo discount with MB and good reviews
2x EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB $185 each
Not much worse than 285 but way cheaper and free CoD WaW - 2 for SLI
ASUS Black 21.5" 2ms(GTG) LCD Monitor $170
Good 1920 x 1080 21.5". Would be another $100 for a 1920 x 1200 monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit $100
This all was about $1600 including discounts
This is all my money and I'm not sure if I could buy anything more expensive.
I need to decide between these three CPU coolers.
I don't know if I should get them video cards or if I can wait and get SLI later or something.
Not sure about the motherboard, seems solid though. Is deluxe worth the extra $30?
Should I get a Antec 850W PSU for $40 more?
Everything else I think I'm good on. Newegg seems to have just about everything cheaper and with the combo discounts, it seems a lot easier just to get everything there.
Please help me decide quick because I want to buy it tomorrow (Friday).
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160 this is a good alternative its a wonderful case.
And, for that PSU...rosewill is not a high ranking brand, i'm pretty sure its tier 3 you may notice some problems with it, go with somethin like Corsair they make some good ones Silverstone does too... Rosewill is kind of a generic brand, well its neweggs generic brand, i woudl say change that for sure, you have to make sure it puts out enough amps on the 12v rail
Here is my build, just to kind of show you, my monitor only supports 1280x1024 so one 260 was good for me, but here it is: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13176728
Wow the Antec 1200 just went up $55 on Newegg
which CPU cooler to get?
Zalman 9700 if you want to drop the cash or Zalman 7700 if you don't.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Errm.... You can take the i7 920 up to 4.0 ghz on each core easily, you cant use the stock heatsink but it will go to 4.0 ghz with the greatest of ease on air. so really if you wanna overclock the i7 will not only futureproof you, but will give you more bang than you really need for the 280$ it costs.
Edit: not to mention the i7 detects as 8 cores, because it is a 4 core processor with 2 threads on each core... it's an absolute powerhouse for the price, and you wont have to upgrade the processor for a very long time.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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