Guess you got rocked by mobs constantly and decided to alt+f4 in your frustration. Seems like the filter is working perfectly.
Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
Guess you got rocked by mobs constantly and decided to alt+f4 in your frustration. Seems like the filter is working perfectly.
Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
Yet others claim to have leveled from 1-50 in 3 months on the Korean / Chinese version. I'm not sure since I haven't played beta, as this weekend will be my first go and its capped at level 10. I will simply have to gauge it from the first 10 levels. If it takes me 3 hours or less, than I'm feeling pretty comfortable with the XP gain. If it takes me 5-10 hours than somethings seriously wrong.
Part of the quick leveling tales you've been hearing is due to an exploit that's apparently been fixed. Everything else; well, you don't really know much time those people spent playing in those three months.
Guess you got rocked by mobs constantly and decided to alt+f4 in your frustration. Seems like the filter is working perfectly.
Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
I believe I have not played the same game as most of you have, yes I have also played the chinese OB, but I seriously doubt it that they would basicaly DESTROY the game... it makes no sense to me. It truly amazes me how some of you people try to look smart saying what is good and bad design when it seems that you haven't really experienced the game at all.
As for the "quoted" text, what class did you play, and are you sure you did understand how to play your class... I played as a healer and I could kill anything pretty fast, and by that I mean really fast.
As for the WoW righteous defenders, this is not a copy of WoW this is just a game which fits under the MMORPG genre, which WoW is part of... obviously you cannot expect something completely different, if what you are looking for is an MMORPG any game you will try will have similarities with previous titles and releases. When most of you speak of WoW it truly sounds like you've started your MMO journey with it, and all the games you've played/play after it will be copies of it, as I previously mentioned it will be similar... that's what creates a genre!
As for the quests, translations, leveling and grouping... there are meaningful quests which explains who are you and all few cut scenes and all as someone already said on a previous post, there is also quests that are simple tasks (these are meant for you to level quickly and get some nice rewards, to avoid the so called "grind"), there are also group quests... they do not start at level 10... but by level 16 you can find yourself a group and start doing those long chains of group quests.
On a side note: I have played WoW before and I am not here to attack it in any way just stating the fact that all I've read so far is... this is WoW with new skins, this is WoW because this and that... it's not WoW it is just another fantasy MMORPG.
I believe I have not played the same game as most of you have, yes I have also played the chinese OB, but I seriously doubt it that they would basicaly DESTROY the game... it makes no sense to me. It truly amazes me how some of you people try to look smart saying what is good and bad design when it seems that you haven't really experienced the game at all.
Yes, I suppose that entire weekend was just a mass hysterical delusion. I was doing some pretty serious shrooms that weekend, maybe I just hallucinated all of it.
As for the "quoted" text, what class did you play, and are you sure you did understand how to play your class... I played as a healer and I could kill anything pretty fast, and by that I mean really fast.
I played the scout. I kept my gear as current as possible. I had my auto attack, my swift strike ability; or whatever it was called, and my short evasion buff. At some point I got a stun ability that triggered every instance I dodge. I upgraded my weapons with quest rewards and store bought items. Still killed slow. At one point I did get a combo ability which made things much more bearable; but this combo ability still had a cooldown, and things still died much too slow for single digit early level grinding.
As for the WoW righteous defenders, this is not a copy of WoW this is just a game which fits under the MMORPG genre, which WoW is part of... obviously you cannot expect something completely different, if what you are looking for is an MMORPG any game you will try will have similarities with previous titles and releases. When most of you speak of WoW it truly sounds like you've started your MMO journey with it, and all the games you've played/play after it will be copies of it, as I previously mentioned it will be similar... that's what creates a genre!
It does many of the same things as WoW. Failure to innovate is not something horrendously condemning, but in a genre as stagnant as this one; it really, REALLY would be nice.
I started my MMO addiction with Ragnarok Online, went to FF11, and then went to WoW and beyond. I wont call the game a WoW clone, I'll call it woefully uninspired.
As for the quests, translations, leveling and grouping... there are meaningful quests which explains who are you and all few cut scenes and all as someone already said on a previous post, there is also quests that are simple tasks (these are meant for you to level quickly and get some nice rewards, to avoid the so called "grind"), there are also group quests... they do not start at level 10... but by level 16 you can find yourself a group and start doing those long chains of group quests.
The only "meaingful" quest I saw was the one where generic fantasy tree creature sent me into some sort of memory world. I was greeted with the laughable like "WHOA! It's Nightblade!" before my character automatically flew down to some lava pit. After that the quest ended. Aside from the tired "LOST MY MEMORIES" schtick, what else is there? The generic (but pretty) setting?
I don't play MMOs purely for lore, but having something interesting would help. WoW locations are varied and interesting, even in the early game. The Dark forests of Darkshire, the ravaged farm of Westfall, all easily accessable early in the game to make the player interested.
I played up to level 28 (Spirit Master) in CN. The only time I had to "grind" was right around 14-16. Even then I was getting repeatable coin quests and selling the loot I got for Khina. ( Think that was the level. It is the old asmo colosium. I needed to get my wind and water pet book drops from there.)
As for the scout types... I did not play one, but my buddy did. He thought he was not doing enought DPS early on either. But the way he put it... "At 21 it was like I opened my Murder Bag let loose." (He went cin btw.)
Scout class requires some patience early levels upto 16, 19, 22, getting better and better for dps
i guess you didnt even hit lvl 9
The thing with the scout class is that the skills make a huge difference from levels 9 to 19. If you don't grab them as soon as they are available, you find fighting gets almost exponentially more difficult each level.
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Scout class requires some patience early levels upto 16, 19, 22, getting better and better for dps
i guess you didnt even hit lvl 9
I cant even remember what level I hit. I think it was 9, at that point I had learned "Soul Slash", but I was so uninterested in the world (and that night I was going ot reinstall windows) so I just gave up.
.... the trolls and haters who say this game won't make it in the US market.
This game I don't think can stand up to the western gamer's level of A.D.D.
Ahhh.. yes, the western world has 1 game: Wow. With 11m players (how many of those are in NA?).
There are probably more NA players playing Free Realms than WoW at the moment.
What most WoW lovers fail to recognize is that the largest majority of these "11 million" subscribers is on the other side of the world.
But it is sad, NA does have only one MMO and that is WoW.. That's because it is forced down your throat. Walk into any store and look at computer games, you'll be lucky to find any MMO other than WoW on the shelf.. And usually its a big fukin display to boot. Hell, there are a ton of people out there who don't even know anything other than WoW exists. Sad, but true. I give Blizzard credit, they even have free trial discs at the damn checkout in WalMart.
Market saturation at its finest. Also, WoW is many peoples first MMO, so every new one is compared to it. So, when they log into AION and realize "What, no arena e-peening and rep grinds with naked NE chicks?!" <delete> + <flame>
I don't think AION is a bad game, but I will stand by my statement that it will not thrive in the US market because of the exact mentality of a US MMO Player. Most people complain they want something new, but when its given to them they shyte on it.
And what many WoW haters fail to realise is that, when World of Warcraft announced 10 million subscriber, they revealed that 2.5 million active subscribers are in NA, 2 million are in Europe and 5.5 are in asia.
This means that World of Warcraft completely dwarfs every other mmorpg on the market even if you take only the NA and European numbers, or even just the North Americans.
Are there more players playing Free realms? Not a snowball chance in hell. Free Realms has reported 2 million registrations, not active players. World of Warcraft has reported 2.5 million active (as in active accounts) subscribers.
This can all be found in the press releases.
sounds to me like you only play wow because it has a lot of subscribers. all i ever hear from you is how many subscribers the game has. im sure if free realms had 10 million subs you would be right there playing it.
Originally posted by ronan32 Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by sigurd57 Originally posted by BigMango Originally posted by sigurd57 .... the trolls and haters who say this game won't make it in the US market. This game I don't think can stand up to the western gamer's level of A.D.D.
Ahhh.. yes, the western world has 1 game: Wow. With 11m players (how many of those are in NA?).
There are probably more NA players playing Free Realms than WoW at the moment. What most WoW lovers fail to recognize is that the largest majority of these "11 million" subscribers is on the other side of the world.
But it is sad, NA does have only one MMO and that is WoW.. That's because it is forced down your throat. Walk into any store and look at computer games, you'll be lucky to find any MMO other than WoW on the shelf.. And usually its a big fukin display to boot. Hell, there are a ton of people out there who don't even know anything other than WoW exists. Sad, but true. I give Blizzard credit, they even have free trial discs at the damn checkout in WalMart.
Market saturation at its finest. Also, WoW is many peoples first MMO, so every new one is compared to it. So, when they log into AION and realize "What, no arena e-peening and rep grinds with naked NE chicks?!" <delete> + <flame> I don't think AION is a bad game, but I will stand by my statement that it will not thrive in the US market because of the exact mentality of a US MMO Player. Most people complain they want something new, but when its given to them they shyte on it.
And what many WoW haters fail to realise is that, when World of Warcraft announced 10 million subscriber, they revealed that 2.5 million active subscribers are in NA, 2 million are in Europe and 5.5 are in asia.
This means that World of Warcraft completely dwarfs every other mmorpg on the market even if you take only the NA and European numbers, or even just the North Americans. Are there more players playing Free realms? Not a snowball chance in hell. Free Realms has reported 2 million registrations, not active players. World of Warcraft has reported 2.5 million active (as in active accounts) subscribers. This can all be found in the press releases.
sounds to me like you only play wow because it has a lot of subscribers. all i ever hear from you is how many subscribers the game has. im sure if free realms had 10 million subs you would be right there playing it.
Stop being a whino. He was correcting someone who was clearly wrong and in need of correcting.
I am just sick of the "you have to get to X level before the game gets good" argument. If a game can't hook you in the first few levels, its not worth playing in my opinion.
I've said it before in another forum and I'll say it here: Asking someone to wade through 20 levels of boring gameplay to get the the "good" part is like asking someone to eat a plate of worms just because there's a steak underneath.
*groan* I am just sick of the "you have to get to X level before the game gets good" argument. If a game can't hook you in the first few levels, its not worth playing in my opinion. I've said it before in another forum and I'll say it here: Asking someone to wade through 20 levels of boring gameplay to get the the "good" part is like asking someone to eat a plate of worms just because there's a steak underneath.
Hey, I thought it was good all the way from the beginning. I mean if it was a total drag 1-10 I would have quit there. I think most hard core folks will think 1-10 is average game play just because it is teaching all of that basic MMO stuff. Experianced MMO players will blaze through that content and will not even remember it after 2-3 hours of playing. 1 to 9 is the tutorial.
Level 10 - 20 is where each person really discovers what they can do. You start getting more skills, better and more varied loot. While each level 10 to 20 is not *bam* *pow* there are a lot of hooks to keep you pushing through.
By 21 you feel like a bad ass. Here is where you change from discovery mode to "bring it on" mode. At 22-24 you are looking for rifts to give some spankings to the opposite faction. Those 4 levels are a great ramp up to the Abyss at 25.
I only got to 28 but I tell you what, I did not want to stop. I wanted to see what was around that next corner.
Seems a lot of people are done already. So if there is someone with a left over EU beta key / account. Send me a PM I know my gf is dying to try it out. Cheers
THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
*groan* I am just sick of the "you have to get to X level before the game gets good" argument. If a game can't hook you in the first few levels, its not worth playing in my opinion. I've said it before in another forum and I'll say it here: Asking someone to wade through 20 levels of boring gameplay to get the the "good" part is like asking someone to eat a plate of worms just because there's a steak underneath.
Hey, I thought it was good all the way from the beginning. I mean if it was a total drag 1-10 I would have quit there. I think most hard core folks will think 1-10 is average game play just because it is teaching all of that basic MMO stuff. Experianced MMO players will blaze through that content and will not even remember it after 2-3 hours of playing. 1 to 9 is the tutorial.
Level 10 - 20 is where each person really discovers what they can do. You start getting more skills, better and more varied loot. While each level 10 to 20 is not *bam* *pow* there are a lot of hooks to keep you pushing through.
By 21 you feel like a bad ass. Here is where you change from discovery mode to "bring it on" mode. At 22-24 you are looking for rifts to give some spankings to the opposite faction. Those 4 levels are a great ramp up to the Abyss at 25.
I only got to 28 but I tell you what, I did not want to stop. I wanted to see what was around that next corner.
I'm not disputing if the game is good or not. I'm simply pointing out that the argument is very,very, lame. Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence can determine if they like a game in the first ten levels.
I played through level 17 in the last beta weekend. Wasn't impressed. I probably could have done another 7 or 8 levels before the weekend was up, but the game just didn't hold my interest. I'll jump in this weekend just to give the game a second chance. We'll see.
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...***
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Yep because girls never ever play videogames. "WoW Clone gargleblahblah not innovative garglegargle *insert Aion hate here*. Okay, Aion is one game. There are millions of people who like this game, so yes it must truly be horrible. "I will not be playing Aion because it doesn't suit what I want in a game", good then don't play.
"Wow what am I supposed to do, I'm already level 7 and I only have 5 moves". Seriously? That is the point of a game where you level up to improve.
Okay enough of the bashing. I have played Aion in the first beta as well as China retail. The game is fun. Hate remarks come from those who play in the first beta event and watch youtube videos, what do you want? Particulary in closed betas, the area will be pretty crowded. Just because you can't enjoy the game fully in a beta, doesn't mean the game sucks. The beta is not meant for the gamer, it is meant for the game company to fix errors before launch.
For those who say that a game is supposed to be fun from the start, I agree with you. But the game is fun from the start, what you played was the beta. There is a big difference between the two. When the game is launched and settles down from it's first week of release, that starting area that acted as your "whole game", will not be crowded. Most of the excuses come from beta play, and sorry but that is rediculous.
After you've played the real game, perhaps in a trial or from buying the real thing, and you still do not enjoy the game, don't play it and move on. Hard to do for many.
*Game is a grind............, maybe I've played too many MMO, but <target mob> <kill mob> <target mob> <kill mob>..is what you'll be doing for about 4 hours non-stop to get to level 10
Please tell me how this is any different than WoW/Lotro or EQ2? The leveling pace in Aion is the same as WoW and ... surprise you don't "grind out mobs to level" you can do quests which offer pretty substantial EXP rewards. In fact the leveling is no different than WoW/EQ2/Lotro so unless you consider those grinds (and I think the majority of players would disagree with you) it's not a grind.
I just get tired of people saying it's a grind... Now if you consider WoW a grind then your scale is just broken. Based on some of what you said I wonder if you've even played in the beta.
I personally think the thing that will get me to play this game on release is the setting, the pvp system and how well the game runs. WoW, LOTRO and even WARs PVP system are all badly designed or run. I'm looking for a better game.
You know I really had hoped NCSoft would have learned from Lineage. Grinding doesnt work. It simply doesnt. I used to grind for day playing Lineage 2 just to gain a quarter of a percentage to level. Hearing this news does not instill the want to buy this game.
You know I really had hoped NCSoft would have learned from Lineage. Grinding doesnt work. It simply doesnt. I used to grind for day playing Lineage 2 just to gain a quarter of a percentage to level. Hearing this news does not instill the want to buy this game.
Maybe you should play it for yourself and decide if it really is a Grind? You see, I did a crazy thing and actually tried it...
Seems a lot of people are done already. So if there is someone with a left over EU beta key / account. Send me a PM I know my gf is dying to try it out. Cheers
THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
Haha, okay. If anything, Aion is leaning more toward the male audience what with the over sexualized female avatars. If I were to take a guess, the draw for the female audience would be the soft more "fantasy" styled environment along with the more involved character creation.
What is more scarier than your poor analogy of a man in a Miata is that so many people are still stuck in the whole gender roll classifications.
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What i want to no is when will the WoW fanboi's STFU???? like for real ANY post i read on ANY game on this site is these Fanboi's ripping on something else and my question is.
If they all love WoW so F%cking Much why are they here Trolling and bitching about something they have little to no knowledge of instead of playing there Favorite game WoW?
Like for real if what you do to pass your time is troll around MMorpg and post trash all day on every game out But WoW.
Seems a lot of people are done already. So if there is someone with a left over EU beta key / account. Send me a PM I know my gf is dying to try it out. Cheers
THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
Haha, okay. If anything, Aion is leaning more toward the male audience what with the over sexualized female avatars. If I were to take a guess, the draw for the female audience would be the soft more "fantasy" styled environment along with the more involved character creation.
What is more scarier than your poor analogy of a man in a Miata is that so many people are still stuck in the whole gender roll classifications.
Do gender rolls come with a side of wasabi? They sound pretty tasty to me...
What i want to no is when will the WoW fanboi's STFU???? like for real ANY post i read on ANY game on this site is these Fanboi's ripping on something else and my question is. If they all love WoW so F%cking Much why are they here Trolling and bitching about something they have little to no knowledge of instead of playing there Favorite game WoW? Like for real if what you do to pass your time is troll around MMorpg and post trash all day on every game out But WoW. GET A JOB!!! For Real..... No Joke.
.... i play WoW, i work 60+ hours doing a week doing roadworks drive a $50,000 sports car, own my own house and a rental property i'm 25 and probably earn more in one week then you do in a month
whose worse, the WoW fanboys posting shit on a website, or the person who has th indulge them to feed there flame?
think about your actions and what you say before you post crap like this accusing wow players of everything you just said.
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Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
How difficulty is the game in general?
Will I encounter elites while leveling that provide better then average reward?
You will encounter elites. Though I've read that they drop better rewards, the one I found (large giant crab thing) did not.
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Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
Yet others claim to have leveled from 1-50 in 3 months on the Korean / Chinese version. I'm not sure since I haven't played beta, as this weekend will be my first go and its capped at level 10. I will simply have to gauge it from the first 10 levels. If it takes me 3 hours or less, than I'm feeling pretty comfortable with the XP gain. If it takes me 5-10 hours than somethings seriously wrong.
Part of the quick leveling tales you've been hearing is due to an exploit that's apparently been fixed. Everything else; well, you don't really know much time those people spent playing in those three months.
Sorry, but no. I actually died a total of ONE time during the beta weekend. That didn't make mobs any less tedious to take down.
Not starting with a spammable ability whilst fighting mobs with far too much HP (or Def.) is poor design. No amount of spin can change that. The class I chose was the supposed DPS class, I can only imagine how awful it must have been for healers and tanks.
I believe I have not played the same game as most of you have, yes I have also played the chinese OB, but I seriously doubt it that they would basicaly DESTROY the game... it makes no sense to me. It truly amazes me how some of you people try to look smart saying what is good and bad design when it seems that you haven't really experienced the game at all.
As for the "quoted" text, what class did you play, and are you sure you did understand how to play your class... I played as a healer and I could kill anything pretty fast, and by that I mean really fast.
As for the WoW righteous defenders, this is not a copy of WoW this is just a game which fits under the MMORPG genre, which WoW is part of... obviously you cannot expect something completely different, if what you are looking for is an MMORPG any game you will try will have similarities with previous titles and releases. When most of you speak of WoW it truly sounds like you've started your MMO journey with it, and all the games you've played/play after it will be copies of it, as I previously mentioned it will be similar... that's what creates a genre!
As for the quests, translations, leveling and grouping... there are meaningful quests which explains who are you and all few cut scenes and all as someone already said on a previous post, there is also quests that are simple tasks (these are meant for you to level quickly and get some nice rewards, to avoid the so called "grind"), there are also group quests... they do not start at level 10... but by level 16 you can find yourself a group and start doing those long chains of group quests.
On a side note: I have played WoW before and I am not here to attack it in any way just stating the fact that all I've read so far is... this is WoW with new skins, this is WoW because this and that... it's not WoW it is just another fantasy MMORPG.
I believe I have not played the same game as most of you have, yes I have also played the chinese OB, but I seriously doubt it that they would basicaly DESTROY the game... it makes no sense to me. It truly amazes me how some of you people try to look smart saying what is good and bad design when it seems that you haven't really experienced the game at all.
Yes, I suppose that entire weekend was just a mass hysterical delusion. I was doing some pretty serious shrooms that weekend, maybe I just hallucinated all of it.
As for the "quoted" text, what class did you play, and are you sure you did understand how to play your class... I played as a healer and I could kill anything pretty fast, and by that I mean really fast.
I played the scout. I kept my gear as current as possible. I had my auto attack, my swift strike ability; or whatever it was called, and my short evasion buff. At some point I got a stun ability that triggered every instance I dodge. I upgraded my weapons with quest rewards and store bought items. Still killed slow. At one point I did get a combo ability which made things much more bearable; but this combo ability still had a cooldown, and things still died much too slow for single digit early level grinding.
As for the WoW righteous defenders, this is not a copy of WoW this is just a game which fits under the MMORPG genre, which WoW is part of... obviously you cannot expect something completely different, if what you are looking for is an MMORPG any game you will try will have similarities with previous titles and releases. When most of you speak of WoW it truly sounds like you've started your MMO journey with it, and all the games you've played/play after it will be copies of it, as I previously mentioned it will be similar... that's what creates a genre!
It does many of the same things as WoW. Failure to innovate is not something horrendously condemning, but in a genre as stagnant as this one; it really, REALLY would be nice.
I started my MMO addiction with Ragnarok Online, went to FF11, and then went to WoW and beyond. I wont call the game a WoW clone, I'll call it woefully uninspired.
As for the quests, translations, leveling and grouping... there are meaningful quests which explains who are you and all few cut scenes and all as someone already said on a previous post, there is also quests that are simple tasks (these are meant for you to level quickly and get some nice rewards, to avoid the so called "grind"), there are also group quests... they do not start at level 10... but by level 16 you can find yourself a group and start doing those long chains of group quests.
The only "meaingful" quest I saw was the one where generic fantasy tree creature sent me into some sort of memory world. I was greeted with the laughable like "WHOA! It's Nightblade!" before my character automatically flew down to some lava pit. After that the quest ended. Aside from the tired "LOST MY MEMORIES" schtick, what else is there? The generic (but pretty) setting?
I don't play MMOs purely for lore, but having something interesting would help. WoW locations are varied and interesting, even in the early game. The Dark forests of Darkshire, the ravaged farm of Westfall, all easily accessable early in the game to make the player interested.
I played up to level 28 (Spirit Master) in CN. The only time I had to "grind" was right around 14-16. Even then I was getting repeatable coin quests and selling the loot I got for Khina. ( Think that was the level. It is the old asmo colosium. I needed to get my wind and water pet book drops from there.)
As for the scout types... I did not play one, but my buddy did. He thought he was not doing enought DPS early on either. But the way he put it... "At 21 it was like I opened my Murder Bag let loose." (He went cin btw.)
Scout class requires some patience early levels
upto 16, 19, 22, getting better and better for dps
i guess you didnt even hit lvl 9
The thing with the scout class is that the skills make a huge difference from levels 9 to 19. If you don't grab them as soon as they are available, you find fighting gets almost exponentially more difficult each level.
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I cant even remember what level I hit. I think it was 9, at that point I had learned "Soul Slash", but I was so uninterested in the world (and that night I was going ot reinstall windows) so I just gave up.
Its not as if I didnt give the game a fair shake.
Ahhh.. yes, the western world has 1 game: Wow. With 11m players (how many of those are in NA?).
There are probably more NA players playing Free Realms than WoW at the moment.
What most WoW lovers fail to recognize is that the largest majority of these "11 million" subscribers is on the other side of the world.
But it is sad, NA does have only one MMO and that is WoW.. That's because it is forced down your throat. Walk into any store and look at computer games, you'll be lucky to find any MMO other than WoW on the shelf.. And usually its a big fukin display to boot. Hell, there are a ton of people out there who don't even know anything other than WoW exists. Sad, but true. I give Blizzard credit, they even have free trial discs at the damn checkout in WalMart.
Market saturation at its finest. Also, WoW is many peoples first MMO, so every new one is compared to it. So, when they log into AION and realize "What, no arena e-peening and rep grinds with naked NE chicks?!" <delete> + <flame>
I don't think AION is a bad game, but I will stand by my statement that it will not thrive in the US market because of the exact mentality of a US MMO Player. Most people complain they want something new, but when its given to them they shyte on it.
And what many WoW haters fail to realise is that, when World of Warcraft announced 10 million subscriber, they revealed that 2.5 million active subscribers are in NA, 2 million are in Europe and 5.5 are in asia.
This means that World of Warcraft completely dwarfs every other mmorpg on the market even if you take only the NA and European numbers, or even just the North Americans.
Are there more players playing Free realms? Not a snowball chance in hell. Free Realms has reported 2 million registrations, not active players. World of Warcraft has reported 2.5 million active (as in active accounts) subscribers.
This can all be found in the press releases.
sounds to me like you only play wow because it has a lot of subscribers. all i ever hear from you is how many subscribers the game has. im sure if free realms had 10 million subs you would be right there playing it.
There are probably more NA players playing Free Realms than WoW at the moment.
What most WoW lovers fail to recognize is that the largest majority of these "11 million" subscribers is on the other side of the world.
But it is sad, NA does have only one MMO and that is WoW.. That's because it is forced down your throat. Walk into any store and look at computer games, you'll be lucky to find any MMO other than WoW on the shelf.. And usually its a big fukin display to boot. Hell, there are a ton of people out there who don't even know anything other than WoW exists. Sad, but true. I give Blizzard credit, they even have free trial discs at the damn checkout in WalMart.
Market saturation at its finest. Also, WoW is many peoples first MMO, so every new one is compared to it. So, when they log into AION and realize "What, no arena e-peening and rep grinds with naked NE chicks?!" <delete> + <flame>
I don't think AION is a bad game, but I will stand by my statement that it will not thrive in the US market because of the exact mentality of a US MMO Player. Most people complain they want something new, but when its given to them they shyte on it.
And what many WoW haters fail to realise is that, when World of Warcraft announced 10 million subscriber, they revealed that 2.5 million active subscribers are in NA, 2 million are in Europe and 5.5 are in asia.
This means that World of Warcraft completely dwarfs every other mmorpg on the market even if you take only the NA and European numbers, or even just the North Americans.
Are there more players playing Free realms? Not a snowball chance in hell. Free Realms has reported 2 million registrations, not active players. World of Warcraft has reported 2.5 million active (as in active accounts) subscribers.
This can all be found in the press releases.
sounds to me like you only play wow because it has a lot of subscribers. all i ever hear from you is how many subscribers the game has. im sure if free realms had 10 million subs you would be right there playing it.
Stop being a whino. He was correcting someone who was clearly wrong and in need of correcting.
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id love to give it a try, and i couldnt get a beta key so please if you dont like the game send account info so i can see it for myself
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I am just sick of the "you have to get to X level before the game gets good" argument. If a game can't hook you in the first few levels, its not worth playing in my opinion.
I've said it before in another forum and I'll say it here: Asking someone to wade through 20 levels of boring gameplay to get the the "good" part is like asking someone to eat a plate of worms just because there's a steak underneath.
Hey, I thought it was good all the way from the beginning. I mean if it was a total drag 1-10 I would have quit there. I think most hard core folks will think 1-10 is average game play just because it is teaching all of that basic MMO stuff. Experianced MMO players will blaze through that content and will not even remember it after 2-3 hours of playing. 1 to 9 is the tutorial.
Level 10 - 20 is where each person really discovers what they can do. You start getting more skills, better and more varied loot. While each level 10 to 20 is not *bam* *pow* there are a lot of hooks to keep you pushing through.
By 21 you feel like a bad ass. Here is where you change from discovery mode to "bring it on" mode. At 22-24 you are looking for rifts to give some spankings to the opposite faction. Those 4 levels are a great ramp up to the Abyss at 25.
I only got to 28 but I tell you what, I did not want to stop. I wanted to see what was around that next corner.
THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
Hey, I thought it was good all the way from the beginning. I mean if it was a total drag 1-10 I would have quit there. I think most hard core folks will think 1-10 is average game play just because it is teaching all of that basic MMO stuff. Experianced MMO players will blaze through that content and will not even remember it after 2-3 hours of playing. 1 to 9 is the tutorial.
Level 10 - 20 is where each person really discovers what they can do. You start getting more skills, better and more varied loot. While each level 10 to 20 is not *bam* *pow* there are a lot of hooks to keep you pushing through.
By 21 you feel like a bad ass. Here is where you change from discovery mode to "bring it on" mode. At 22-24 you are looking for rifts to give some spankings to the opposite faction. Those 4 levels are a great ramp up to the Abyss at 25.
I only got to 28 but I tell you what, I did not want to stop. I wanted to see what was around that next corner.
I'm not disputing if the game is good or not. I'm simply pointing out that the argument is very,very, lame. Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence can determine if they like a game in the first ten levels.
I played through level 17 in the last beta weekend. Wasn't impressed. I probably could have done another 7 or 8 levels before the weekend was up, but the game just didn't hold my interest. I'll jump in this weekend just to give the game a second chance. We'll see.
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***THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...***
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Yep because girls never ever play videogames. "WoW Clone gargleblahblah not innovative garglegargle *insert Aion hate here*. Okay, Aion is one game. There are millions of people who like this game, so yes it must truly be horrible. "I will not be playing Aion because it doesn't suit what I want in a game", good then don't play.
"Wow what am I supposed to do, I'm already level 7 and I only have 5 moves". Seriously? That is the point of a game where you level up to improve.
Okay enough of the bashing. I have played Aion in the first beta as well as China retail. The game is fun. Hate remarks come from those who play in the first beta event and watch youtube videos, what do you want? Particulary in closed betas, the area will be pretty crowded. Just because you can't enjoy the game fully in a beta, doesn't mean the game sucks. The beta is not meant for the gamer, it is meant for the game company to fix errors before launch.
For those who say that a game is supposed to be fun from the start, I agree with you. But the game is fun from the start, what you played was the beta. There is a big difference between the two. When the game is launched and settles down from it's first week of release, that starting area that acted as your "whole game", will not be crowded. Most of the excuses come from beta play, and sorry but that is rediculous.
After you've played the real game, perhaps in a trial or from buying the real thing, and you still do not enjoy the game, don't play it and move on. Hard to do for many.
Please tell me how this is any different than WoW/Lotro or EQ2? The leveling pace in Aion is the same as WoW and ... surprise you don't "grind out mobs to level" you can do quests which offer pretty substantial EXP rewards. In fact the leveling is no different than WoW/EQ2/Lotro so unless you consider those grinds (and I think the majority of players would disagree with you) it's not a grind.
I just get tired of people saying it's a grind... Now if you consider WoW a grind then your scale is just broken. Based on some of what you said I wonder if you've even played in the beta.
I personally think the thing that will get me to play this game on release is the setting, the pvp system and how well the game runs. WoW, LOTRO and even WARs PVP system are all badly designed or run. I'm looking for a better game.
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You know I really had hoped NCSoft would have learned from Lineage. Grinding doesnt work. It simply doesnt. I used to grind for day playing Lineage 2 just to gain a quarter of a percentage to level. Hearing this news does not instill the want to buy this game.
Maybe you should play it for yourself and decide if it really is a Grind? You see, I did a crazy thing and actually tried it...
THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
Haha, okay. If anything, Aion is leaning more toward the male audience what with the over sexualized female avatars. If I were to take a guess, the draw for the female audience would be the soft more "fantasy" styled environment along with the more involved character creation.
What is more scarier than your poor analogy of a man in a Miata is that so many people are still stuck in the whole gender roll classifications.
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What i want to no is when will the WoW fanboi's STFU???? like for real ANY post i read on ANY game on this site is these Fanboi's ripping on something else and my question is.
If they all love WoW so F%cking Much why are they here Trolling and bitching about something they have little to no knowledge of instead of playing there Favorite game WoW?
Like for real if what you do to pass your time is troll around MMorpg and post trash all day on every game out But WoW.
GET A JOB!!!
For Real.....
No Joke.
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THAT's IT!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was trying to put my finger on what bothers be about Aion and your post reminded me that in just about every Aion thread I've read lately, someone specifically mentions that their gf wants to play the game. and then it hit me...
Aion is the "chick flick" of MMOs! A dude playing Aion is like a dude driving a Miata. It just feels...well...creepy...
Haha, okay. If anything, Aion is leaning more toward the male audience what with the over sexualized female avatars. If I were to take a guess, the draw for the female audience would be the soft more "fantasy" styled environment along with the more involved character creation.
What is more scarier than your poor analogy of a man in a Miata is that so many people are still stuck in the whole gender roll classifications.
Do gender rolls come with a side of wasabi? They sound pretty tasty to me...
.... i play WoW, i work 60+ hours doing a week doing roadworks drive a $50,000 sports car, own my own house and a rental property i'm 25 and probably earn more in one week then you do in a month
whose worse, the WoW fanboys posting shit on a website, or the person who has th indulge them to feed there flame?
think about your actions and what you say before you post crap like this accusing wow players of everything you just said.
The actions of few do not speak for the masses.
Peace