I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Ok, I will restat what I said:
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT....AGAIN AFTER, HOW MANY TIMES?
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Both sides have good points. People just assume to much when they read words on a screen. When the announcment was originally made that they would allow people to migrate to NA servers, someone should have asked then if there was a cost invloved. It all depends on how you want to interpret what was said.
There are things I agree with here, and things I don't, but people looking for free transfers is a big stretch. Why not just stay on the EU servers if the money is that big a deal? Is the lag that bad for american players?
And this is why I'm glad I stayed far, far away from DF. I didn't wait in those F5 spam lines, I didn't get pissed off about how shitty the game turned out to be and now I don't have to deal with this crap.
Let me ask you guys this: Are any of you seriously surprised? I mean, really? You're this shocked that AV would pull this crap? All the double-speak and vague wiggle-room that Tasos uses ALL THE TIME should have been a good indicator. How many times has the guy flat out lied?
The problem here is that when AV said they would let you guys transfer to NA they never explicitly stated that there -wouldn't- be a price. They never saidt here -wouldn't- be another 50 bucks to pay, so that's how they feel justified in doing this. Also they have to use a different publisher and the publisher wants money, which I'm willing to bet AV doesn't have.
It's shady business, but it's still business. If you really don't like it then don't be a shlep and give them more money. Either have the balls to give them the finger and walk away or don't complain as you hand them more money. It's like you've been raped once already and when the guy who did it comes back you scream, but rather than stab him in the throat you actually let him rape you a second time.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Both sides have good points. People just assume to much when they read words on a screen. When the announcment was originally made that they would allow people to migrate to NA servers, someone should have asked then if there was a cost invloved. It all depends on how you want to interpret what was said.
There are things I agree with here, and things I don't, but people looking for free transfers is a big stretch. Why not just stay on the EU servers if the money is that big a deal? Is the lag that bad for american players?
I remember back when they announced this. Even though I never played DF I did follow it, I had planned to play about a month after release to see how the game faired.
I remember reading a bunch of threads about people asking if there would be a price and if they were answered they were vague. AV side-stepped the issue and eventually people felt satisfied or gave up asking.
The problem here is that when AV said they would let you guys transfer to NA they never explicitly stated that there -wouldn't- be a price. They never saidt here -wouldn't- be another 50 bucks to pay, so that's how they feel justified in doing this. Also they have to use a different publisher and the publisher wants money, which I'm willing to bet AV doesn't have.
So a couple of points:
1) Why the hell do you need a publisher for a digital distribution game with no box sales, no customer service, no advertising? A publisher publishes by definition.....there is no f'n thing to publish!!! Gawd get a clue people.
2) Just who the hell is this NA publisher that "needs to be paid" like everyone including Tacos keeps saying?
I believe that it is total BS spin. They are using the same infrastructure as the EU server, same server farm provider, same client, probably the same CC clearing company. Even if the CC clearing company is different it is only a % or so that they will charge Av for processing the cards.
Nope makes no sense to anyone with half a logical brain cell except to call it what it is: a money grab / scam that was planned from the beginning. I have turned them in to the IC3 for investigation and suggest others do the same. Let the FBI and Interpol look into their practices and dealings. I am sure that they have nothing to hide and are totally above board.
Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account.
We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client.
Few little points. Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account. We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client. Soe charges a small fee for character transfers! Bye!
im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.
Few little points. Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account. We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client. Soe charges a small fee for character transfers! Bye!
im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.
you may not have noticed this mate but the thread is about AV charging people for transfers and the OP asking them to vote with thier wallets. maybe read the thread in future
Who said wow was owned by SOE? can't see it anywhere but may have missed it. Not sure why you quoted me on that though
When i was talking about the client i should have stated that i was talking about the DF client. can see how you got confused there, my fault.
your post was a bit confusing, first you are talking about characters transfers in wow, then you say soe charges...maybe should have been more clear.
to be fair mate i did break them into different lines.
and the points were all to do with posts that have been made in this thread.
Somone stated that other companys dont charge so i just checked on what i know. Being a EQ vet and played eq2,VG etc i checked Soe, and they do charge.
I knew i had an account set up for wow so i tried to log into the USA client after downloading it by mistake....just typed wow clients in and didnt really check the link ( ye i know i'm stupid ) i couldn't log into it which is when i found it out to be the USA client and remembered this thread. so i looked into it more and found that it was because i didn't have a USA account. this is confusing me because some are saying you can log into EU with a USA account? i physically couldn't. but then someone else has also stated since in another thread, or maybe this one, that if you change a few lines in some code you can...not sure if that is legal or not though
But all the things i mentioned were mentioned in this thread
So, half the people bothering to sit here and reply back to back to back on this thread don't even play the game? I see no point in wasting your time informing other people who don't play the game how shady and unethical AV is. At the end of the day, does it affect you at all? Play any role on your day to day?
I bought the game a little over a month ago, out of all the people who should be annoyed and upset, I should be one of them. I literally just bought my copy. But it is what it is, shady or not. Other companies do it. So AV made other promises concerning the issue, that doesn't even concern me because I wasn't around for those promises, and no, it doesn't matter if you link or quote it for me. I still wasn't around, those promises weren't made for me, and I understand how their financial situation probably is concerning Darkfall, and I understand that things are subject to change.
Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place.
Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place.
1. Because you don't have to be in a train wreck to be fascinated by one...
2. Because the DF forums provide hours of free entertainment...
3. Because it is the internet and this is what people do, get used to it...
4. To read the 1000th post from people ranting that if you don't play the game you have no business posting...
BTW, have nothing better to do with my time right now and this feels the gap nicely.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
So, half the people bothering to sit here and reply back to back to back on this thread don't even play the game? I see no point in wasting your time informing other people who don't play the game how shady and unethical AV is. At the end of the day, does it affect you at all? Play any role on your day to day?
I bought the game a little over a month ago, out of all the people who should be annoyed and upset, I should be one of them. I literally just bought my copy. But it is what it is, shady or not. Other companies do it. So AV made other promises concerning the issue, that doesn't even concern me because I wasn't around for those promises, and no, it doesn't matter if you link or quote it for me. I still wasn't around, those promises weren't made for me, and I understand how their financial situation probably is concerning Darkfall, and I understand that things are subject to change.
Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place.
maybe because i had interest in the game. fortunately for me, i didnt have the money to buy it yet. which is good, because now i dont want to.
You know what gets me about you nerd emo whiners, is that this is just like a normal thing, if you wanted to play wow from the eu in america you have to purchase the American client, the fatc you decided to play on the EU server in wow then decided to play in america is your cohice nobody forced you to do it. Same exact thing applied to Darkfall, you americans or whatever knew it was a eu server and you thought magicallly you would get to play on the american server because you had the eu client???. hell this is just normal business practice, similar like normal mmos with game regions. So no just because you want to play on american server they should just let you free of charge? ITs a fuucking business, its like saying to all wow players and other mmos hey you bought the eu client but u cna play in america free of charge, all hell would break lose with the structre of the game. This is why you nreds kepe jumping from mmo to mmo, becayuse u people just whine about everything.
NEWSFLASH if you are american and bought us clinet, well thats your tough luck.
heh, maybe it's adventurine's tough luck? they're the ones losing customers. those of us who cancelled accounts will have bad tastes in our mouths for a month and forget about this. lol.
fyi, in uo, you can transfer to EU or asian servers at will. with all items in touch. what game inspired darkfall again? orite
The only really surprising thing is that an NA server is actualy opening, considering what an abject pile of shit DF turned out to be.
Look at it this way, AV is sure dead if it sticks with the sinking EU-1. Either pack up now, or grab one last batch of money before they go. NA-1 is a good chance to get some money, or maybe double charge triple charge, 10x over charge whoever stupid enough to enter their credit card details. After they got all the money they possibly can garnar, then maybe they will pack up and vanish.
Do you think they will work hard to repay $10million euro plus interest? Can they?
Your wrong, I can play EU WOW from US with my US client....
^This
This whole NA server thing clearly shows me what kind of company we are dealing with, I liked DF as well but this? This is bullcrap on an SOE level. I support this idea. /cancelled
You also have to remember when Sony says they will do something they tend to do it in terms of server transfers. They have shown that they are willing to give free server transfers off of failing servers on SWG and not make ya pay for it etc... I figure since AV said that NA would not have to buy a new client and would have their character moved over once they were ready to launch that it makes them far worse than $OE at this point in time.
If anything i doubt it will be worth it to buy the new client as the current server is barely staying full. I would hate to see how small the NA server pop is.
again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.
NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company. Get a grip on reality here.
funny tho
Not to worry if Obama thought he could get his hands into AV's wallet to fund his endless social wellfare initiatives he would make a law. Perhaps an internet tax on any U.S. IP address paying $ to play a game hosted on a foreign server? There are endless ways to tax this afterall this is the man that is trying to tax you if you fart. Got a carbon credit for that bout of fladulence? Didn't think so here is your fine. Next time buy a methance emissions credit.
again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.
NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company. Get a grip on reality here.
funny tho
Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.
And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.
again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.
NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company. Get a grip on reality here.
funny tho
Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.
And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.
Bravo bravo.
Another person sharing my long advocated line. AV and DF is the perfect example of how not to do business. I have submitted a new "scenario" for my course, using AV as example, and I am still waiting for the dean to consider the legal implications, and hence approval from the school/board.
Cancelled and will stay cancelled. No more money from me for this scam company.
A spark of reasoning and logic!
It will take more than temporarily cancelled account to stop a company of shady dealers like Aventurine. They only way to stop them is if they go out of business and force them to move onto their next scam.
why not just go to headquarters with burning torches? i understand people being angry and upset, but just move on...no need to be evil bastards and hope people go down! so sad that people take these little things to heart so much. i wish you could swap shoes with me for just a day....you would see what the real world is like and experience real problems, then you wouldn't worry about "spilt milk" so much.
Darkfall must be something special though to make such an impression on so many lives!
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IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Ok, I will restat what I said:
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT....AGAIN AFTER, HOW MANY TIMES?
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Both sides have good points. People just assume to much when they read words on a screen. When the announcment was originally made that they would allow people to migrate to NA servers, someone should have asked then if there was a cost invloved. It all depends on how you want to interpret what was said.
There are things I agree with here, and things I don't, but people looking for free transfers is a big stretch. Why not just stay on the EU servers if the money is that big a deal? Is the lag that bad for american players?
And this is why I'm glad I stayed far, far away from DF. I didn't wait in those F5 spam lines, I didn't get pissed off about how shitty the game turned out to be and now I don't have to deal with this crap.
Let me ask you guys this: Are any of you seriously surprised? I mean, really? You're this shocked that AV would pull this crap? All the double-speak and vague wiggle-room that Tasos uses ALL THE TIME should have been a good indicator. How many times has the guy flat out lied?
The problem here is that when AV said they would let you guys transfer to NA they never explicitly stated that there -wouldn't- be a price. They never saidt here -wouldn't- be another 50 bucks to pay, so that's how they feel justified in doing this. Also they have to use a different publisher and the publisher wants money, which I'm willing to bet AV doesn't have.
It's shady business, but it's still business. If you really don't like it then don't be a shlep and give them more money. Either have the balls to give them the finger and walk away or don't complain as you hand them more money. It's like you've been raped once already and when the guy who did it comes back you scream, but rather than stab him in the throat you actually let him rape you a second time.
It's kinda pathetic imo.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
Both sides have good points. People just assume to much when they read words on a screen. When the announcment was originally made that they would allow people to migrate to NA servers, someone should have asked then if there was a cost invloved. It all depends on how you want to interpret what was said.
There are things I agree with here, and things I don't, but people looking for free transfers is a big stretch. Why not just stay on the EU servers if the money is that big a deal? Is the lag that bad for american players?
I remember back when they announced this. Even though I never played DF I did follow it, I had planned to play about a month after release to see how the game faired.
I remember reading a bunch of threads about people asking if there would be a price and if they were answered they were vague. AV side-stepped the issue and eventually people felt satisfied or gave up asking.
So a couple of points:
1) Why the hell do you need a publisher for a digital distribution game with no box sales, no customer service, no advertising? A publisher publishes by definition.....there is no f'n thing to publish!!! Gawd get a clue people.
2) Just who the hell is this NA publisher that "needs to be paid" like everyone including Tacos keeps saying?
I believe that it is total BS spin. They are using the same infrastructure as the EU server, same server farm provider, same client, probably the same CC clearing company. Even if the CC clearing company is different it is only a % or so that they will charge Av for processing the cards.
Nope makes no sense to anyone with half a logical brain cell except to call it what it is: a money grab / scam that was planned from the beginning. I have turned them in to the IC3 for investigation and suggest others do the same. Let the FBI and Interpol look into their practices and dealings. I am sure that they have nothing to hide and are totally above board.
Few little points.
Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account.
We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client.
Soe charges a small fee for character transfers!
Bye!
im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.
im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.
you may not have noticed this mate but the thread is about AV charging people for transfers and the OP asking them to vote with thier wallets. maybe read the thread in future
Who said wow was owned by SOE? can't see it anywhere but may have missed it. Not sure why you quoted me on that though
When i was talking about the client i should have stated that i was talking about the DF client. can see how you got confused there, my fault.
your post was a bit confusing, first you are talking about characters transfers in wow, then you say soe charges...maybe should have been more clear.
to be fair mate i did break them into different lines.
and the points were all to do with posts that have been made in this thread.
Somone stated that other companys dont charge so i just checked on what i know. Being a EQ vet and played eq2,VG etc i checked Soe, and they do charge.
I knew i had an account set up for wow so i tried to log into the USA client after downloading it by mistake....just typed wow clients in and didnt really check the link
( ye i know i'm stupid ) i couldn't log into it which is when i found it out to be the USA client and remembered this thread. so i looked into it more and found that it was because i didn't have a USA account. this is confusing me because some are saying you can log into EU with a USA account? i physically couldn't. but then someone else has also stated since in another thread, or maybe this one, that if you change a few lines in some code you can...not sure if that is legal or not though 
But all the things i mentioned were mentioned in this thread
So, half the people bothering to sit here and reply back to back to back on this thread don't even play the game? I see no point in wasting your time informing other people who don't play the game how shady and unethical AV is. At the end of the day, does it affect you at all? Play any role on your day to day?
I bought the game a little over a month ago, out of all the people who should be annoyed and upset, I should be one of them. I literally just bought my copy. But it is what it is, shady or not. Other companies do it. So AV made other promises concerning the issue, that doesn't even concern me because I wasn't around for those promises, and no, it doesn't matter if you link or quote it for me. I still wasn't around, those promises weren't made for me, and I understand how their financial situation probably is concerning Darkfall, and I understand that things are subject to change.
Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place.
1. Because you don't have to be in a train wreck to be fascinated by one...
2. Because the DF forums provide hours of free entertainment...
3. Because it is the internet and this is what people do, get used to it...
4. To read the 1000th post from people ranting that if you don't play the game you have no business posting...
BTW, have nothing better to do with my time right now and this feels the gap nicely.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
maybe because i had interest in the game. fortunately for me, i didnt have the money to buy it yet. which is good, because now i dont want to.
again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.
NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company.
Get a grip on reality here.
funny tho
mine is cancelled as well
The only really surprising thing is that an NA server is actualy opening, considering what an abject pile of shit DF turned out to be.
Look at it this way, AV is sure dead if it sticks with the sinking EU-1. Either pack up now, or grab one last batch of money before they go. NA-1 is a good chance to get some money, or maybe double charge triple charge, 10x over charge whoever stupid enough to enter their credit card details. After they got all the money they possibly can garnar, then maybe they will pack up and vanish.
Do you think they will work hard to repay $10million euro plus interest? Can they?
^This
This whole NA server thing clearly shows me what kind of company we are dealing with, I liked DF as well but this? This is bullcrap on an SOE level. I support this idea. /cancelled
You also have to remember when Sony says they will do something they tend to do it in terms of server transfers. They have shown that they are willing to give free server transfers off of failing servers on SWG and not make ya pay for it etc... I figure since AV said that NA would not have to buy a new client and would have their character moved over once they were ready to launch that it makes them far worse than $OE at this point in time.
If anything i doubt it will be worth it to buy the new client as the current server is barely staying full. I would hate to see how small the NA server pop is.
Not to worry if Obama thought he could get his hands into AV's wallet to fund his endless social wellfare initiatives he would make a law. Perhaps an internet tax on any U.S. IP address paying $ to play a game hosted on a foreign server? There are endless ways to tax this afterall this is the man that is trying to tax you if you fart. Got a carbon credit for that bout of fladulence? Didn't think so here is your fine. Next time buy a methance emissions credit.
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Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.
And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.
Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.
And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.
Bravo bravo.
Another person sharing my long advocated line. AV and DF is the perfect example of how not to do business. I have submitted a new "scenario" for my course, using AV as example, and I am still waiting for the dean to consider the legal implications, and hence approval from the school/board.
A spark of reasoning and logic!
It will take more than temporarily cancelled account to stop a company of shady dealers like Aventurine. They only way to stop them is if they go out of business and force them to move onto their next scam.
why not just go to headquarters with burning torches? i understand people being angry and upset, but just move on...no need to be evil bastards and hope people go down! so sad that people take these little things to heart so much. i wish you could swap shoes with me for just a day....you would see what the real world is like and experience real problems, then you wouldn't worry about "spilt milk" so much.
Darkfall must be something special though to make such an impression on so many lives!