Originally posted by Johnark Uhh... just cause you pass by 1 or 2 Level 60 players per few days doesn't mean EVERYONE is at Level 60 for crying out loud. There's still 80% of the population who've been playing since launch and are around level 40. They get to a very high level cause all they do is play WoW all day long and not cause there's a trick or exploit to gain levels quickly. Get your facts straight people, any MMORPG can be capped if you play too much of it, while some MMORPGs can be capped cause of tricks and strategies that are unfair and ruin the game (coughSWGcough)
Even if that statement was correct, 80% of the player base is 40th level in a few weeks. That doesn't tell you something about the ease of the game?! Give it a few more weeks and every and thier mothers will be 60.
Originally posted by BarryManilow Originally posted by Johnark Uhh... just cause you pass by 1 or 2 Level 60 players per few days doesn't mean EVERYONE is at Level 60 for crying out loud. There's still 80% of the population who've been playing since launch and are around level 40. They get to a very high level cause all they do is play WoW all day long and not cause there's a trick or exploit to gain levels quickly. Get your facts straight people, any MMORPG can be capped if you play too much of it, while some MMORPGs can be capped cause of tricks and strategies that are unfair and ruin the game (coughSWGcough)
Even if that statement was correct, 80% of the player base is 40th level in a few weeks. That doesn't tell you something about the ease of the game?! Give it a few more weeks and every and thier mothers will be 60.
rofl lvl means nothing
fun count
if u wonna the stupidiest grind..play ao..they needs stupid ppl to pay
the worst grind is in ao..and iff u r grinded..nothing more to do
start another char or quit..but teh grinding is the hardest and (brainlisiest?) in any games so funcom can makes some money from stupid ppl
Originally posted by Johnark Uhh... just cause you pass by 1 or 2 Level 60 players per few days doesn't mean EVERYONE is at Level 60 for crying out loud. There's still 80% of the population who've been playing since launch and are around level 40. They get to a very high level cause all they do is play WoW all day long and not cause there's a trick or exploit to gain levels quickly. Get your facts straight people, any MMORPG can be capped if you play too much of it, while some MMORPGs can be capped cause of tricks and strategies that are unfair and ruin the game (coughSWGcough)
Even if that statement was correct, 80% of the player base is 40th level in a few weeks. That doesn't tell you something about the ease of the game?! Give it a few more weeks and every and thier mothers will be 60.
You should really play WoW before you makeup stuff to bash it with. 80% arent even close to lvl 40, i havent seen a lvl 60 yet personally. There must be a powergamer server you play on that i'm not aware of
Originally posted by crock never played coh... dunno maybe be a supermen suxx the game itself is stupid...supermen and another bs...just the wold is dumb...dunno how gameplay is and i think i will never know
CoH is tons of fun at first. The combat effects are pretty incredible, and its a cool superhero game where it does it really well. The problem is really for people who are used to mmorpg's and expect more an online world rather than just a fighting game.
To describe it, its the epitome of a casual game, so much so that if you play it too much it will most likely become very redundant very fast. There just isnt much depth there at all. No loot(well other than enhancments which basically means only 1 kind of loot), no items, no bank, no economy, no tradeskills(coming), no PvP(which is coming and i think this would've made the game alot more fun alot longer if they had it in initially), and basically not much interaction. Its a fast paced game, so there really isnt much time to talk, thats why i call it more a online fighting game than an mmorpg.
If they ever have a free trial, i'd reccomend it strongly to anyone that never played it. I just dont think its worth paying money for the box when it wears out so fast due to redundancy and lack of variety.
OMG you guys crack me up. I must say reading some of the completely senseless drivel some of you post is the only thing that keeps me sane at work. LOL.
Keep in mind that you are talking about a game here...
WoW's most vehement fanbois will hate it after the novelty wears off.
Lol, you can't judge a MMORPG after 3 weeks from release. Let me hear your opinion in 2-3 months from now.
I am not playing any MMORPG where you must kill mobs for XP that is. All those games are grinding threadmills, no matter how nice the graphics is or how interesting the quest may seem.
I won't play any game where I don't have equal chances to enjoy it, and in a MMORPG you just don't have that. Simply because these games allow some teenage kid with more time to play and max his level and gear than call me a carebear. That pretty much eliminates the fun for me.
WoW allows for casual play ? I don't think so. Maybe Guild Wars does that. but we'll have to see about that.
Originally posted by rohbshop Originally posted by crock never played coh... dunno maybe be a supermen suxx the game itself is stupid...supermen and another bs...just the wold is dumb...dunno how gameplay is and i think i will never knowCoH is tons of fun at first. The combat effects are pretty incredible, and its a cool superhero game where it does it really well. The problem is really for people who are used to mmorpg's and expect more an online world rather than just a fighting game. To describe it, its the epitome of a casual game, so much so that if you play it too much it will most likely become very redundant very fast. There just isnt much depth there at all. No loot(well other than enhancments which basically means only 1 kind of loot), no items, no bank, no economy, no tradeskills(coming), no PvP(which is coming and i think this would've made the game alot more fun alot longer if they had it in initially), and basically not much interaction. Its a fast paced game, so there really isnt much time to talk, thats why i call it more a online fighting game than an mmorpg. If they ever have a free trial, i'd reccomend it strongly to anyone that never played it. I just dont think its worth paying money for the box when it wears out so fast due to redundancy and lack of variety.
no idea..just be a superman stupid enough i hated those animations from childhood they are so brainless
It seems a bit silly to be knocking something that just doesn't happen to be a genre you like. Matrix Online does not look like it would be my idea of fun. Eh, whatever.
I'm a CoH fan for now, but I've played EQ and FFXI. Neither of those was as fun as I'd hoped. I didn't even make level 20 in FFXI.
Some people just don't want "uber-loot" and the general fantasy genre any more. City of Heroes is a fast growing MMO. While the server population has dipped due to EQII and WOW, that doesn't worry me in the slightest. Many people were just looking for a 'filler' MMO.
But CoH really does break a lot of conventions by trying to be more true to its genre roots. It does not require *a* specific party mattrix for most missions (well, unless you are stuck on having to have tanks and healers, LOL!)
I've seen eight man teams of defenders killing nearly as fast as blasters while being as *safe* as tanks. Some of the missions are just terribly too fun. Defending Terra Volta from Sky Raiders and Freaks.
The one really cool thing about the comic book genre is that it isn't a totally exclusivity. You want to play an elf with a sword? Player a scrapper with Broadsword and super reflexes.
Want to be a mage? Play a controller, defender or blaster. You can play your gun totting maniac too.
It is a more "casual" game, but it is also a lot more friendly for younger people. My nine year old nephew absolutely loves this game. I think I'm going to buy his family a copy.
With the addition of the new skilling system, that should add enough of a "crafting" element for now. And with them being willing to take the time to get it right, I feel that I'll be rewarded.
Issue #3 is adding quite a bit. New class, new zone, revamping a group (that one has had mixed reviews) and the "construction" of arenas under way, I've got a lot to look forward to.
With only a few hours a day at the most, that's good.
I find it funny that people are accusing wow of being simplistic and appealing to newbies. Please give me 1 example of what makes wow more simplistic than everquest 2 besides the fact that the experience bar moves faster. "Dude this eq experience bar moves twice as slow... we're so freaking hardcore for playing this game". ALmost everything in wow is quest based, and if you would occassionaly read quest logs or get past the first step of a quest you would notice that some of them are interesting. But somehow you retards who are slandering wow think not questing and simply grinding by killing the same mobs all day is very complicated and requires such skill. The reason i get so angry when you talk bad about wow is that blizzard has actually put alot of thought and care into makeing a good game, and unlike ppl like soe, actually cares about polish and quality. And why do you think the honor system pvp rewards and battlegrounds arent in yet? have you not noticed how polished blizzard likes to make things. I challenge anyone here to go read about the upcoming battlegrounds update thouroughly and still not get excited about it, i guess some ppl just like to be bored. Doesnt feel hardcore or difficult if its fun does it. Oh by the way i know this is 1 giant paragraph please dont bother to mention that its late and i dont care.
Ive played everquest 2, ya... in order to make the game look as good as wow i had to make it run like utter crap. Its because of a thing called artistry and thought. when i logged into wow on opening day you know what i saw? About 80 ppl standing right in front of me in the spot where you character enters the world doing newb things like getting their first quest and clearing a mine. Guess how many fps i got on the absolute max settings.. about 50. This is opening day mind you. 3 weeks later they come out with a huge chrismas update which i appreciated because i can tell they care about their community. Yes i know they want my money.. but they're certainly asking for it the right way.
Finally let me ask you 3 remaining eq2 fans this, have you ever done anything like this in eq 2. In a night elf town a lady asked me to find a missing courier. After exploring i found an abandoned boat with a clue that led me to a camp of gnolls. After exploring and killing many gnolls i found their backpack with a note that had notes about an insect colony nearby, it was obvious gnolls had found the backpack but not the courier, who had wandered off to explore this giant insect lair. Now i had spent many hours in this zone but never noticed the giant insect lair i was about to explore, which looked incredible. After about 30 minutes of fighting through the tunnels i found a cocooned night elf man, after freeing him we both fought out of the lair together. Now that is one hell of a quest if you ask me. There are alot of quests like this in the game, you just have to get past the first couple of steps.
Originally posted by cornguy I find it funny that people are accusing wow of being simplistic and appealing to newbies. Please give me 1 example of what makes wow more simplistic than everquest 2 besides the fact that the experience bar moves faster. "Dude this eq experience bar moves twice as slow... we're so freaking hardcore for playing this game". ALmost everything in wow is quest based, and if you would occassionaly read quest logs or get past the first step of a quest you would notice that some of them are interesting. But somehow you retards who are slandering wow think not questing and simply grinding by killing the same mobs all day is very complicated and requires such skill. The reason i get so angry when you talk bad about wow is that blizzard has actually put alot of thought and care into makeing a good game, and unlike ppl like soe, actually cares about polish and quality. And why do you think the honor system pvp rewards and battlegrounds arent in yet? have you not noticed how polished blizzard likes to make things. I challenge anyone here to go read about the upcoming battlegrounds update thouroughly and still not get excited about it, i guess some ppl just like to be bored. Doesnt feel hardcore or difficult if its fun does it. Oh by the way i know this is 1 giant paragraph please dont bother to mention that its late and i dont care.
Ive played everquest 2, ya... in order to make the game look as good as wow i had to make it run like utter crap. Its because of a thing called artistry and thought. when i logged into wow on opening day you know what i saw? About 80 ppl standing right in front of me in the spot where you character enters the world doing newb things like getting their first quest and clearing a mine. Guess how many fps i got on the absolute max settings.. about 50. This is opening day mind you. 3 weeks later they come out with a huge chrismas update which i appreciated because i can tell they care about their community. Yes i know they want my money.. but they're certainly asking for it the right way.
Finally let me ask you 3 remaining eq2 fans this, have you ever done anything like this in eq 2. In a night elf town a lady asked me to find a missing courier. After exploring i found an abandoned boat with a clue that led me to a camp of gnolls. After exploring and killing many gnolls i found their backpack with a note that had notes about an insect colony nearby, it was obvious gnolls had found the backpack but not the courier, who had wandered off to explore this giant insect lair. Now i had spent many hours in this zone but never noticed the giant insect lair i was about to explore, which looked incredible. After about 30 minutes of fighting through the tunnels i found a cocooned night elf man, after freeing him we both fought out of the lair together. Now that is one hell of a quest if you ask me. There are alot of quests like this in the game, you just have to get past the first couple of steps.
Ok in WoW, you get a quest that says kill 20 gnolls, you go out and kill 20 gnolls, come back and get some XP. The next quest tells you to kill 20 wolves, you go out and kill 20 wolves, come back and get some more XP. The next NPC gives the same thing and its goes on and on. This is what makes WoW so boring and easy, you do quests over and over and over again that arent even fun.
You get skills that you just mash when in combat, you dont even have to use skill to kill the mob. Its just smash this skill and smash it again when it lights up again. In EQ2 you actually have to use your brain, when in groups you have to use the right skills and pay attention, there are Herioc Oppurtinies that require using the right skill at the right time. And it doesnt tell you which one you use, you get a picture and you should know what type of skill that is. The combat is very fast paced and you never find yourself sitting down to rest, except in solo.
EQ2 actually allows you to group, or solo, even if solo isnt too good. In WoW they force you to solo/quest to gain any levels. If you want to group in WoW you better except sitting LFG for a long time, because most players are out questing to level. The only way you wll group is if you have friends or a guild that wants to group with you.
WoWs crafting system is way too easy. You hit creat all and your item is made. If you need 20 tin bars all you do is go out and get the tin, then hit create all and it makes them all for you. Everyone crafts because it is so easy to. People can make their own armor or weapons, so you never really can sell the products you made.
In WoW the towns serve no real purpose. All you do is sit there and craft or get guests, no body is helpful in the community. In EQ2 the towns serve a real purpose, they are huge and immersive, you can buy houses, craft, buy/sell, make friends, explore, learn about the world of Norrath, city quests, guild quests, etc.
WoW is way too easy to make money. You get so much money from quests, and since you can make your own armor or weapons, you have even more money. I never found myself running out of money or having to actually farm in the game.
WoWs community sucks, you have to admit that. No one actually talks about gameplay or helps in the world chat. They just sit there and make fun of eachother or games, and talk to there friends, when there is a /tell. The world chat is spammed and when you do have a question that pertains to WoW, nobody awnsers you.
WoWs areas are camped everywhere. 20 people camp a 5 mob spawn. Its always a race to get to the mob first. No one actually wants to group so you can fight those mobs together. Unless its for a quest, then then group up until they get what they need, then leave the party without helping the rest of the group.
I think I said enough about why WoW is so easy/shitty. Sorry about the bad grammar/spelling, its 12 am.
Originally posted by 9216544 Ok in WoW, you get a quest that says kill 20 gnolls, you go out and kill 20 gnolls, come back and get some XP. The next quest tells you to kill 20 wolves, you go out and kill 20 wolves, come back and get some more XP. The next NPC gives the same thing and its goes on and on. This is what makes WoW so boring and easy, you do quests over and over and over again that arent even fun. You get skills that you just mash when in combat, you dont even have to use skill to kill the mob. Its just smash this skill and smash it again when it lights up again. In EQ2 you actually have to use your brain, when in groups you have to use the right skills and pay attention, there are Herioc Oppurtinies that require using the right skill at the right time. And it doesnt tell you which one you use, you get a picture and you should know what type of skill that is. The combat is very fast paced and you never find yourself sitting down to rest, except in solo. EQ2 actually allows you to group, or solo, even if solo isnt too good. In WoW they force you to solo/quest to gain any levels. If you want to group in WoW you better except sitting LFG for a long time, because most players are out questing to level. The only way you wll group is if you have friends or a guild that wants to group with you.WoWs crafting system is way too easy. You hit creat all and your item is made. If you need 20 tin bars all you do is go out and get the tin, then hit create all and it makes them all for you. Everyone crafts because it is so easy to. People can make their own armor or weapons, so you never really can sell the products you made.In WoW the towns serve no real purpose. All you do is sit there and craft or get guests, no body is helpful in the community. In EQ2 the towns serve a real purpose, they are huge and immersive, you can buy houses, craft, buy/sell, make friends, explore, learn about the world of Norrath, city quests, guild quests, etc. WoW is way too easy to make money. You get so much money from quests, and since you can make your own armor or weapons, you have even more money. I never found myself running out of money or having to actually farm in the game. WoWs community sucks, you have to admit that. No one actually talks about gameplay or helps in the world chat. They just sit there and make fun of eachother or games, and talk to there friends, when there is a /tell. The world chat is spammed and when you do have a question that pertains to WoW, nobody awnsers you.WoWs areas are camped everywhere. 20 people camp a 5 mob spawn. Its always a race to get to the mob first. No one actually wants to group so you can fight those mobs together. Unless its for a quest, then then group up until they get what they need, then leave the party without helping the rest of the group.I think I said enough about why WoW is so easy/shitty. Sorry about the bad grammar/spelling, its 12 am.
Your grammar and spelling is excellent today. Tell teacher to give you a gold star!
You say I have to admit WoW's community sucks, and you're incorrect. I don't have to admit any such thing because it isn't true.
You're gonna have to try to accept that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses. If the chat was spammed when you played, it doesn't mean the chat is being spammed in all channels of all 80 servers. Understanding this concept requires something called "perspective" that you might learn about as you grow up.
You're never forced to solo or quest to gain levels in WoW. If you want to grind, you can grind (although actually wanting to grind when there's an alternative has to be the single stupidest concept I've ever heard of). No-one is physically making you click "accept" on an NPC.
The rest of your comments are obvious biased rhetoric, which I'll ignore.
You obviously decided you liked EQ2 before you even played it and now you're gonna have to work to stick with that foolishly predetermined decision, but keep us informed of your progress. I'm looking forward to getting a laugh when you post to say you're done with it.
Originally posted by firemagic Originally posted by 9216544 Ok in WoW, you get a quest that says kill 20 gnolls, you go out and kill 20 gnolls, come back and get some XP. The next quest tells you to kill 20 wolves, you go out and kill 20 wolves, come back and get some more XP. The next NPC gives the same thing and its goes on and on. This is what makes WoW so boring and easy, you do quests over and over and over again that arent even fun. You get skills that you just mash when in combat, you dont even have to use skill to kill the mob. Its just smash this skill and smash it again when it lights up again. In EQ2 you actually have to use your brain, when in groups you have to use the right skills and pay attention, there are Herioc Oppurtinies that require using the right skill at the right time. And it doesnt tell you which one you use, you get a picture and you should know what type of skill that is. The combat is very fast paced and you never find yourself sitting down to rest, except in solo. EQ2 actually allows you to group, or solo, even if solo isnt too good. In WoW they force you to solo/quest to gain any levels. If you want to group in WoW you better except sitting LFG for a long time, because most players are out questing to level. The only way you wll group is if you have friends or a guild that wants to group with you.WoWs crafting system is way too easy. You hit creat all and your item is made. If you need 20 tin bars all you do is go out and get the tin, then hit create all and it makes them all for you. Everyone crafts because it is so easy to. People can make their own armor or weapons, so you never really can sell the products you made.In WoW the towns serve no real purpose. All you do is sit there and craft or get guests, no body is helpful in the community. In EQ2 the towns serve a real purpose, they are huge and immersive, you can buy houses, craft, buy/sell, make friends, explore, learn about the world of Norrath, city quests, guild quests, etc. WoW is way too easy to make money. You get so much money from quests, and since you can make your own armor or weapons, you have even more money. I never found myself running out of money or having to actually farm in the game. WoWs community sucks, you have to admit that. No one actually talks about gameplay or helps in the world chat. They just sit there and make fun of eachother or games, and talk to there friends, when there is a /tell. The world chat is spammed and when you do have a question that pertains to WoW, nobody awnsers you.WoWs areas are camped everywhere. 20 people camp a 5 mob spawn. Its always a race to get to the mob first. No one actually wants to group so you can fight those mobs together. Unless its for a quest, then then group up until they get what they need, then leave the party without helping the rest of the group.I think I said enough about why WoW is so easy/shitty. Sorry about the bad grammar/spelling, its 12 am.
Your grammar and spelling is excellent today. Tell teacher to give you a gold star!
You say I have to admit WoW's community sucks, and you're incorrect. I don't have to admit any such thing because it isn't true.
You're gonna have to try to accept that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses. If the chat was spammed when you played, it doesn't mean the chat is being spammed in all channels of all 80 servers. Understanding this concept requires something called "perspective" that you might learn about as you grow up.
You're never forced to solo or quest to gain levels in WoW. If you want to grind, you can grind (although actually wanting to grind when there's an alternative has to be the single stupidest concept I've ever heard of). No-one is physically making you click "accept" on an NPC.
The rest of your comments are obvious biased rhetoric, which I'll ignore.
You obviously decided you liked EQ2 before you even played it and now you're gonna have to work to stick with that foolishly predetermined decision, but keep us informed of your progress. I'm looking forward to getting a laugh when you post to say you're done with it.
You are right that not all the channels are spammed. But look at how many people complain about WoW's community. Maybe you are just lucky and got a mature and caring server, but most people did not.
You are wrong about me deciding on EQ2 before I played it. Before WoW and EQ2 even hit beta I was having a hard time to choose between the two, and when I entered WoW for my first time I was leaning on the WoW side. A day after that I had made my mind on EQ2. I can tell that you have not played EQ2 firemagic, so why do you post without any real knowledge about the game. You also need to understand that people choose what they like out of opinion, thats a word you can learn for today, its O-P-I-N-I-O-N. There is a new word for Firemagic
I am starting to think that maybe you have your dad come and help you post. I see you make very thoughtful and mature posts, then sometimes I see you telling someone to grow balls.
Originally posted by 9216544 You are right that not all the channels are spammed. But look at how many people complain about WoW's community. Maybe you are just lucky and got a mature and caring server, but most people did not.
OK. So now you're able to speak for the majority? You're not really helping yourself here.
Originally posted by 9216544 You are wrong about me deciding on EQ2 before I played it. Before WoW and EQ2 even hit beta I was having a hard time to choose between the two, and when I entered WoW for my first time I was leaning on the WoW side. A day after that I had made my mind on EQ2. I can tell that you have not played EQ2 firemagic, so why do you post without any real knowledge about the game. You also need to understand that people choose what they like out of opinion, thats a word you can learn for today, its O-P-I-N-I-O-N. There is a new word for Firemagic
Unfortunately the fact that "you can tell" isn't enough to prove that I haven't played EQ2, and I can inform you conclusively that I have played it at length. I actually played it far beyond the point I would normally play a game I didn't enjoy because I assumed I must be missing out on something, or that the "good stuff" would be coming soon. I gave EQ2 more than a fair chance to impress me.
Check all my posts again. I've stated on more than one occasion that my statements are opinions and I make a point of basing them on first-hand knowledge and experience.
Originally posted by 9216544 I am starting to think that maybe you have your dad come and help you post. I see you make very thoughtful and mature posts, then sometimes I see you telling someone to grow balls.
Yeah, certain people seem to be more receptive to certain styles of discussion and I do try to accomodate wherever possible. I can understand how at the age of 14 and with very little life experience, you might think more than one person is contributing to my posts, and I take this as a compliment.
Originally posted by 9216544 Telling someone to grow balls and calling them a turn is a good thing? I wasnt complimenting you How bout we make bets lol, on the 3 months thing. BTW im 15 now EQ2 Qeynos Guild- http://www.imperium-arcanum.com
I assume you mean "turd" and your ability to spell just fell apart again, but I take your point.
Check the thread where you stole that idea from Saigonshakes to see where I admitted I was wrong. You'll be doing the same thing within three months when you accept the fact that EQ2 is a sub-par MMORPG.
Its not my spelling, its my typing. I type fast with alot of errors, just how I learned I guess.
Anyways, since you think EQ2 is such a bad game, why dont you enlighten us as to why? You never give any valid points about why the game sucks. All you do is critisize people and bash EQ2, but never actually give us a reason, well nows your chance Firemagic. I want you to make a loooong post about high end content, and why the game is not that great. Why you do not like it, and why other people might not like it. Since you have such a big head on your intelligence level, why not prove it right now?
Originally posted by 9216544 Its not my spelling, its my typing. I type fast with alot of errors, just how I learned I guess.Anyways, since you think EQ2 is such a bad game, why dont you enlighten us as to why? You never give any valid points about why the game sucks. All you do is critisize people and bash EQ2, but never actually give us a reason, well nows your chance Firemagic. I want you to make a loooong post about high end content, and why the game is not that great. Why you do not like it, and why other people might not like it. Since you have such a big head on your intelligence level, why not prove it right now?EQ2 Qeynos Guild- http://www.imperium-arcanum.com
Hmmmm.... Almost sounded like a good idea until I realised I'd be taking orders from a 14-year-old who plays a game that qualifies him as less than smart in my estimation.
My criticisms of EQ2 are dotted all over these forums. If you can't find them, how is that my fault?
And here's some advice for when you're typing: The letter "N" is nowhere near the letter "D" on your keyboard.
Hmmm I think you just backed down to a 15 year old. If you are so smart why are you playing these games, shouldnt you be using your awesome debating skills somewhere else?
And from what I have read, you have never told why you do not like EQ2, im not going to hunt for all of them if they do in fact exist.
Originally posted by rohbshop 1) to the person saying people can reach max lvl in 2 weeks i would like to know how. This is what i call a blatant lie. Maybe one person with no life that had no job, and just sat home playing WoW 24/7 grinding the whole time to max level did it, but i cant imagine this is even close to the norm. The amount of running from place to place in itself would hold you back, or even exp'ing in contested territories where you have to deal with PK's will hold you back. I would LOVE to know how i can get to lvl 60 in 2 weeks played. Please tell me how to do this 2) WoW is not easy to get to lvl 60, i dont know if most of you have played WoW and got to lvl 60 or not. If you havent then you really shouldnt be speaking, and somehow i doubt any of you have. My highest lvl character is lvl 25 and thats with ALOT of playing. Granted, i diversify my playtime but i honestly believe i could be higher lvl iin EQ2 right now with the same amount of time played, considering there isnt even much to diversify your playtime with(most people are focusing only on one thing, tradeskills or PvE lvling, rarely both because EQ2 forces you to focus more into one thing to get anywhere) in EQ2. I reached lvl 20 in 2 weeks of EQ2, if i had a set group i'm sure i could do that much faster. 3) CoH is a shallow fighting game, its not really an mmorpg but an online fighting game. Thats why it wore out so quickly, and why alot of people left it after less than a few months of playing. WoW on the other hand has alot more diversity in gameplay, it has an economy, has tradeskills w/ many different incentives/minigames, has PvP, peopel have assets, etc. In fact WoW has more diversity for any player than EQ2 has considering tradeskills are different from PvE or PvP, and are part of the makeup of every character, which most people do to some degree. EQ2 is more similar to CoH because it forces you into only one thing to do over and over again. Trust me, most tradeskillers arent equally PvE'ing in EQ2 as they are tradeskilling, it takes alot of work to get anywhere in either of those focuses. So while a tradeskiller may occasionally PvE to get to a resource or get resources, most of their time will be spent tradeskilling due to the focus and time it takes to raise their abilities in that field. CoH has none of that stuff. CoH has no bank/assets, no economy, no variety, its just kill thug and after thug everyday you login to it, you cant do anything else but kills thugs in the game. Thats why it gets extremely redundant. To even attempt to make that comparison is assanine, but this forum does have alot of people that try their hardest to make WoW look bad. Whether its through blatant lie'ing, exxagerations, or whatever, but lots of haters on this forum for WoW definitely exist. Anyhow, i just wish people could be honest and straight up about a game here. Almost every thread is filled w/ exxagerations about SB, UO, WoW, etc. to make them look bad. The credibility with alot of people here is really sad due to i guess their bias agenda. This forum needs a star ranking system that measures quality of posts, and takes points away from those that tend to lie/exxagerate their points to make a game theyre envious of look as bad as they can make it look.
1,2) Xenif 60 Stormreaver Troll Rogue Domain of Pain
Xenif reached level 60 in 10 days! if you don't believe me head over to the WoW forums and see the 20+ page thread on the issue. There's even screenshots if you deman other proof. hitting the level cap in 10 days is not long term. Diablo 2 with the 1.10 patch took longer than that for players to hit max level. Who cares that one was lvl 60 and the other lvl 100, it's still max level for the gaming universe. maybe you should brush up a bit on your WoW knowledge.
3) COH may well be a shallow fighting game, but so is WoW. i like to say "you can do whatever you want in WoW, as long as it's killing monsters". Oh but there's trade skills you say. Very true, but to get to the higher (read: usable) levels in the tradeskills you must have minimum level requirements. So even if u just want to be an artisan herbalist, u can't unless you kill monsters to get xp (or alterantely complete quests which virtually all require to you kill monsters). Again you can do whatever you want in WoW as long as it's killing stuff. No player housing, no non-combat chars, no player merchants. This has far fewer features than UO did when i started playing that back in 1997. 7+ years and this game has devolved from UO. That's sad.
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Originally posted by 9216544 Hmmm I think you just backed down to a 15 year old. If you are so smart why are you playing these games, shouldnt you be using your awesome debating skills somewhere else? And from what I have read, you have never told why you do not like EQ2, im not going to hunt for all of them if they do in fact exist.EQ2 Qeynos Guild- http://www.imperium-arcanum.com
How did I back down to you? You asked me to do something and I said no. If that's backing down, then your delusions clearly extend far beyond EQ2.
WTF what has EQ2 got to do with anything,firemagic.
Do you even bother to read the posts?
You seems to see EQ2 everywhere even if i post about the war in iraq i bet you see saddam playing EQ2 or something.
How can someone be so sad to be thinking of 24/7 about hating a game?
I mean you seems to live your life around hating EQ2.To say you have an obsession about hating EQ2 is really an understatement and honestly i hope you don't take this a step further like some guy did in korea.
Man,you are not only the saddest git i seen on any forum but you seriously have some mental issues to sort out.
You won't see a next "COH" for a long time. COh besides being a good game is mentioned due to the fact it breaks the mold. We just broke the mold this year, WoW does not break the new mold... if anything it incorporates some of COH's casual gamer innovation and more-so the MUD-like concept design of the 1st Gen MMO crop.
Definitely not. Even with biased journalists, in all their glorified reviews, WoW isnt praised for innovation, just excellent execution in what it DOES do, which aren't any new tricks really. COH was for MMOs what EQ was for MMOs when it came out. (And I don't mean a PR nightmare / addiction crackfest)
If Dark and Light is a success ... its possible for a new 'breaking of the mold'. Brad McQuad put it best though in saying that MMOs will grow through evolution, not revolution. DNL is revolutionary, not evolutionary. You can't look at DNL and then look at past releases, even months apart and connect the dots. MMOs borrow and improve on each others features and concepts chronologically as time goes along. DNL just jumps into the future -- and whether or not the mainstream MMO market is ready to accept and flock to that so quickly is the only iffy part of its fate.
K, I think I've answered your question. (God, I hate WoW)
Originally posted by hercules WTF what has EQ2 got to do with anything,firemagic. Do you even bother to read the posts? You seems to see EQ2 everywhere even if i post about the war in iraq i bet you see saddam playing EQ2 or something. How can someone be so sad to be thinking of 24/7 about hating a game? I mean you seems to live your life around hating EQ2.To say you have an obsession about hating EQ2 is really an understatement and honestly i hope you don't take this a step further like some guy did in korea. Man,you are not only the saddest git i seen on any forum but you seriously have some mental issues to sort out. This is clearly NOT normal.
Read the previous post again. 9216544 said "And from what I have read, you have never told why you do not like EQ2".
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Even if that statement was correct, 80% of the player base is 40th level in a few weeks. That doesn't tell you something about the ease of the game?! Give it a few more weeks and every and thier mothers will be 60.
rofl lvl means nothing
fun count
if u wonna the stupidiest grind..play ao..they needs stupid ppl to pay
the worst grind is in ao..and iff u r grinded..nothing more to do
start another char or quit..but teh grinding is the hardest and (brainlisiest?) in any games
so funcom can makes some money from stupid ppl
With grammer like that I would think twice about calling people stupid
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Maybe a little less time trolling boards and playing video games and more time in High School.
Even if that statement was correct, 80% of the player base is 40th level in a few weeks. That doesn't tell you something about the ease of the game?! Give it a few more weeks and every and thier mothers will be 60.
You should really play WoW before you makeup stuff to bash it with. 80% arent even close to lvl 40, i havent seen a lvl 60 yet personally. There must be a powergamer server you play on that i'm not aware of
CoH is tons of fun at first. The combat effects are pretty incredible, and its a cool superhero game where it does it really well. The problem is really for people who are used to mmorpg's and expect more an online world rather than just a fighting game.
To describe it, its the epitome of a casual game, so much so that if you play it too much it will most likely become very redundant very fast. There just isnt much depth there at all. No loot(well other than enhancments which basically means only 1 kind of loot), no items, no bank, no economy, no tradeskills(coming), no PvP(which is coming and i think this would've made the game alot more fun alot longer if they had it in initially), and basically not much interaction. Its a fast paced game, so there really isnt much time to talk, thats why i call it more a online fighting game than an mmorpg.
If they ever have a free trial, i'd reccomend it strongly to anyone that never played it. I just dont think its worth paying money for the box when it wears out so fast due to redundancy and lack of variety.
OMG you guys crack me up. I must say reading some of the completely senseless drivel some of you post is the only thing that keeps me sane at work. LOL.
Keep in mind that you are talking about a game here...
WoW's most vehement fanbois will hate it after the novelty wears off.
Lol, you can't judge a MMORPG after 3 weeks from release. Let me hear your opinion in 2-3 months from now.
I am not playing any MMORPG where you must kill mobs for XP that is. All those games are grinding threadmills, no matter how nice the graphics is or how interesting the quest may seem.
I won't play any game where I don't have equal chances to enjoy it, and in a MMORPG you just don't have that. Simply because these games allow some teenage kid with more time to play and max his level and gear than call me a carebear. That pretty much eliminates the fun for me.
WoW allows for casual play ? I don't think so. Maybe Guild Wars does that. but we'll have to see about that.
no idea..just be a superman stupid enough
i hated those animations from childhood
they are so brainless
It seems a bit silly to be knocking something that just doesn't happen to be a genre you like. Matrix Online does not look like it would be my idea of fun. Eh, whatever.
I'm a CoH fan for now, but I've played EQ and FFXI. Neither of those was as fun as I'd hoped. I didn't even make level 20 in FFXI.
Some people just don't want "uber-loot" and the general fantasy genre any more. City of Heroes is a fast growing MMO. While the server population has dipped due to EQII and WOW, that doesn't worry me in the slightest. Many people were just looking for a 'filler' MMO.
But CoH really does break a lot of conventions by trying to be more true to its genre roots. It does not require *a* specific party mattrix for most missions (well, unless you are stuck on having to have tanks and healers, LOL!)
I've seen eight man teams of defenders killing nearly as fast as blasters while being as *safe* as tanks. Some of the missions are just terribly too fun. Defending Terra Volta from Sky Raiders and Freaks.
The one really cool thing about the comic book genre is that it isn't a totally exclusivity. You want to play an elf with a sword? Player a scrapper with Broadsword and super reflexes.
Want to be a mage? Play a controller, defender or blaster. You can play your gun totting maniac too.
It is a more "casual" game, but it is also a lot more friendly for younger people. My nine year old nephew absolutely loves this game. I think I'm going to buy his family a copy.
With the addition of the new skilling system, that should add enough of a "crafting" element for now. And with them being willing to take the time to get it right, I feel that I'll be rewarded.
Issue #3 is adding quite a bit. New class, new zone, revamping a group (that one has had mixed reviews) and the "construction" of arenas under way, I've got a lot to look forward to.
With only a few hours a day at the most, that's good.
I find it funny that people are accusing wow of being simplistic and appealing to newbies. Please give me 1 example of what makes wow more simplistic than everquest 2 besides the fact that the experience bar moves faster. "Dude this eq experience bar moves twice as slow... we're so freaking hardcore for playing this game". ALmost everything in wow is quest based, and if you would occassionaly read quest logs or get past the first step of a quest you would notice that some of them are interesting. But somehow you retards who are slandering wow think not questing and simply grinding by killing the same mobs all day is very complicated and requires such skill. The reason i get so angry when you talk bad about wow is that blizzard has actually put alot of thought and care into makeing a good game, and unlike ppl like soe, actually cares about polish and quality. And why do you think the honor system pvp rewards and battlegrounds arent in yet? have you not noticed how polished blizzard likes to make things. I challenge anyone here to go read about the upcoming battlegrounds update thouroughly and still not get excited about it, i guess some ppl just like to be bored. Doesnt feel hardcore or difficult if its fun does it. Oh by the way i know this is 1 giant paragraph please dont bother to mention that its late and i dont care.
Ive played everquest 2, ya... in order to make the game look as good as wow i had to make it run like utter crap. Its because of a thing called artistry and thought. when i logged into wow on opening day you know what i saw? About 80 ppl standing right in front of me in the spot where you character enters the world doing newb things like getting their first quest and clearing a mine. Guess how many fps i got on the absolute max settings.. about 50. This is opening day mind you. 3 weeks later they come out with a huge chrismas update which i appreciated because i can tell they care about their community. Yes i know they want my money.. but they're certainly asking for it the right way.
Finally let me ask you 3 remaining eq2 fans this, have you ever done anything like this in eq 2. In a night elf town a lady asked me to find a missing courier. After exploring i found an abandoned boat with a clue that led me to a camp of gnolls. After exploring and killing many gnolls i found their backpack with a note that had notes about an insect colony nearby, it was obvious gnolls had found the backpack but not the courier, who had wandered off to explore this giant insect lair. Now i had spent many hours in this zone but never noticed the giant insect lair i was about to explore, which looked incredible. After about 30 minutes of fighting through the tunnels i found a cocooned night elf man, after freeing him we both fought out of the lair together. Now that is one hell of a quest if you ask me. There are alot of quests like this in the game, you just have to get past the first couple of steps.
Ok in WoW, you get a quest that says kill 20 gnolls, you go out and kill 20 gnolls, come back and get some XP. The next quest tells you to kill 20 wolves, you go out and kill 20 wolves, come back and get some more XP. The next NPC gives the same thing and its goes on and on. This is what makes WoW so boring and easy, you do quests over and over and over again that arent even fun.
You get skills that you just mash when in combat, you dont even have to use skill to kill the mob. Its just smash this skill and smash it again when it lights up again. In EQ2 you actually have to use your brain, when in groups you have to use the right skills and pay attention, there are Herioc Oppurtinies that require using the right skill at the right time. And it doesnt tell you which one you use, you get a picture and you should know what type of skill that is. The combat is very fast paced and you never find yourself sitting down to rest, except in solo.
EQ2 actually allows you to group, or solo, even if solo isnt too good. In WoW they force you to solo/quest to gain any levels. If you want to group in WoW you better except sitting LFG for a long time, because most players are out questing to level. The only way you wll group is if you have friends or a guild that wants to group with you.
WoWs crafting system is way too easy. You hit creat all and your item is made. If you need 20 tin bars all you do is go out and get the tin, then hit create all and it makes them all for you. Everyone crafts because it is so easy to. People can make their own armor or weapons, so you never really can sell the products you made.
In WoW the towns serve no real purpose. All you do is sit there and craft or get guests, no body is helpful in the community. In EQ2 the towns serve a real purpose, they are huge and immersive, you can buy houses, craft, buy/sell, make friends, explore, learn about the world of Norrath, city quests, guild quests, etc.
WoW is way too easy to make money. You get so much money from quests, and since you can make your own armor or weapons, you have even more money. I never found myself running out of money or having to actually farm in the game.
WoWs community sucks, you have to admit that. No one actually talks about gameplay or helps in the world chat. They just sit there and make fun of eachother or games, and talk to there friends, when there is a /tell. The world chat is spammed and when you do have a question that pertains to WoW, nobody awnsers you.
WoWs areas are camped everywhere. 20 people camp a 5 mob spawn. Its always a race to get to the mob first. No one actually wants to group so you can fight those mobs together. Unless its for a quest, then then group up until they get what they need, then leave the party without helping the rest of the group.
I think I said enough about why WoW is so easy/shitty. Sorry about the bad grammar/spelling, its 12 am.
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Your grammar and spelling is excellent today. Tell teacher to give you a gold star!
You say I have to admit WoW's community sucks, and you're incorrect. I don't have to admit any such thing because it isn't true.
You're gonna have to try to accept that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses. If the chat was spammed when you played, it doesn't mean the chat is being spammed in all channels of all 80 servers. Understanding this concept requires something called "perspective" that you might learn about as you grow up.
You're never forced to solo or quest to gain levels in WoW. If you want to grind, you can grind (although actually wanting to grind when there's an alternative has to be the single stupidest concept I've ever heard of). No-one is physically making you click "accept" on an NPC.
The rest of your comments are obvious biased rhetoric, which I'll ignore.
You obviously decided you liked EQ2 before you even played it and now you're gonna have to work to stick with that foolishly predetermined decision, but keep us informed of your progress. I'm looking forward to getting a laugh when you post to say you're done with it.
Your grammar and spelling is excellent today. Tell teacher to give you a gold star!
You say I have to admit WoW's community sucks, and you're incorrect. I don't have to admit any such thing because it isn't true.
You're gonna have to try to accept that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses. If the chat was spammed when you played, it doesn't mean the chat is being spammed in all channels of all 80 servers. Understanding this concept requires something called "perspective" that you might learn about as you grow up.
You're never forced to solo or quest to gain levels in WoW. If you want to grind, you can grind (although actually wanting to grind when there's an alternative has to be the single stupidest concept I've ever heard of). No-one is physically making you click "accept" on an NPC.
The rest of your comments are obvious biased rhetoric, which I'll ignore.
You obviously decided you liked EQ2 before you even played it and now you're gonna have to work to stick with that foolishly predetermined decision, but keep us informed of your progress. I'm looking forward to getting a laugh when you post to say you're done with it.
You are right that not all the channels are spammed. But look at how many people complain about WoW's community. Maybe you are just lucky and got a mature and caring server, but most people did not.
You are wrong about me deciding on EQ2 before I played it. Before WoW and EQ2 even hit beta I was having a hard time to choose between the two, and when I entered WoW for my first time I was leaning on the WoW side. A day after that I had made my mind on EQ2. I can tell that you have not played EQ2 firemagic, so why do you post without any real knowledge about the game. You also need to understand that people choose what they like out of opinion, thats a word you can learn for today, its O-P-I-N-I-O-N. There is a new word for Firemagic
I am starting to think that maybe you have your dad come and help you post. I see you make very thoughtful and mature posts, then sometimes I see you telling someone to grow balls.
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OK. So now you're able to speak for the majority? You're not really helping yourself here.
Unfortunately the fact that "you can tell" isn't enough to prove that I haven't played EQ2, and I can inform you conclusively that I have played it at length. I actually played it far beyond the point I would normally play a game I didn't enjoy because I assumed I must be missing out on something, or that the "good stuff" would be coming soon. I gave EQ2 more than a fair chance to impress me.
Check all my posts again. I've stated on more than one occasion that my statements are opinions and I make a point of basing them on first-hand knowledge and experience.
Yeah, certain people seem to be more receptive to certain styles of discussion and I do try to accomodate wherever possible. I can understand how at the age of 14 and with very little life experience, you might think more than one person is contributing to my posts, and I take this as a compliment.
Three months.
Telling someone to grow balls and calling them a turn is a good thing? I wasnt complimenting you
How bout we make bets lol, on the 3 months thing. BTW im 15 now
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I assume you mean "turd" and your ability to spell just fell apart again, but I take your point.
Check the thread where you stole that idea from Saigonshakes to see where I admitted I was wrong. You'll be doing the same thing within three months when you accept the fact that EQ2 is a sub-par MMORPG.
Its not my spelling, its my typing. I type fast with alot of errors, just how I learned I guess.
Anyways, since you think EQ2 is such a bad game, why dont you enlighten us as to why? You never give any valid points about why the game sucks. All you do is critisize people and bash EQ2, but never actually give us a reason, well nows your chance Firemagic. I want you to make a loooong post about high end content, and why the game is not that great. Why you do not like it, and why other people might not like it. Since you have such a big head on your intelligence level, why not prove it right now?
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Hmmmm.... Almost sounded like a good idea until I realised I'd be taking orders from a 14-year-old who plays a game that qualifies him as less than smart in my estimation.
My criticisms of EQ2 are dotted all over these forums. If you can't find them, how is that my fault?
And here's some advice for when you're typing: The letter "N" is nowhere near the letter "D" on your keyboard.
Three months
Hmmm I think you just backed down to a 15 year old.
If you are so smart why are you playing these games, shouldnt you be using your awesome debating skills somewhere else?
And from what I have read, you have never told why you do not like EQ2, im not going to hunt for all of them if they do in fact exist.
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1,2) Xenif 60 Stormreaver Troll Rogue Domain of Pain
Xenif reached level 60 in 10 days! if you don't believe me head over to the WoW forums and see the 20+ page thread on the issue. There's even screenshots if you deman other proof. hitting the level cap in 10 days is not long term. Diablo 2 with the 1.10 patch took longer than that for players to hit max level. Who cares that one was lvl 60 and the other lvl 100, it's still max level for the gaming universe. maybe you should brush up a bit on your WoW knowledge.
3) COH may well be a shallow fighting game, but so is WoW. i like to say "you can do whatever you want in WoW, as long as it's killing monsters". Oh but there's trade skills you say. Very true, but to get to the higher (read: usable) levels in the tradeskills you must have minimum level requirements. So even if u just want to be an artisan herbalist, u can't unless you kill monsters to get xp (or alterantely complete quests which virtually all require to you kill monsters). Again you can do whatever you want in WoW as long as it's killing stuff. No player housing, no non-combat chars, no player merchants. This has far fewer features than UO did when i started playing that back in 1997. 7+ years and this game has devolved from UO. That's sad.
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How did I back down to you? You asked me to do something and I said no. If that's backing down, then your delusions clearly extend far beyond EQ2.
EDIT: Three months
WTF what has EQ2 got to do with anything,firemagic.
Do you even bother to read the posts?
You seems to see EQ2 everywhere even if i post about the war in iraq i bet you see saddam playing EQ2 or something.
How can someone be so sad to be thinking of 24/7 about hating a game?
I mean you seems to live your life around hating EQ2.To say you have an obsession about hating EQ2 is really an understatement and honestly i hope you don't take this a step further like some guy did in korea.
Man,you are not only the saddest git i seen on any forum but you seriously have some mental issues to sort out.
This is clearly NOT normal.
You won't see a next "COH" for a long time. COh besides being a good game is mentioned due to the fact it breaks the mold. We just broke the mold this year, WoW does not break the new mold... if anything it incorporates some of COH's casual gamer innovation and more-so the MUD-like concept design of the 1st Gen MMO crop.
Definitely not. Even with biased journalists, in all their glorified reviews, WoW isnt praised for innovation, just excellent execution in what it DOES do, which aren't any new tricks really. COH was for MMOs what EQ was for MMOs when it came out. (And I don't mean a PR nightmare / addiction crackfest)
If Dark and Light is a success ... its possible for a new 'breaking of the mold'. Brad McQuad put it best though in saying that MMOs will grow through evolution, not revolution. DNL is revolutionary, not evolutionary. You can't look at DNL and then look at past releases, even months apart and connect the dots. MMOs borrow and improve on each others features and concepts chronologically as time goes along. DNL just jumps into the future -- and whether or not the mainstream MMO market is ready to accept and flock to that so quickly is the only iffy part of its fate.
K, I think I've answered your question. (God, I hate WoW)
Read the previous post again. 9216544 said "And from what I have read, you have never told why you do not like EQ2".
I hope that clears up your confusion.
Firemagic,who cares if you don't like EQ2.
Problem is you go around every single post even if it does not have anything to do with EQ2 .
You seems to spent a lot of time on hating EQ2 which is not healthy at all seriously.
Grow up,play a game,get laid,go shopping,get a job but do something else then obsessing over EQ2.
Try gain insight into your obsession because its not normal at all.