Games such as Command & Conquer 1 and Elders Scrolls 2 Daggerfall are better then Daikatana online. Shut up and BAW else where over your OMG LOW SCOREZZZZZ. If close to everyone is rating the game low then close to all those millions are either on crack or JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND DA GAME? No moron your all living in a fantasy world. It's called go outside.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience? I would give this game an 8. I absolutely love it.
Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
As far as Shadowbane goes, its only downfall was server lags & nothing else. Graphics were a bit outdated but not at launch. The only game to date where smarts, skill & a cool head could cause 1 player to destroy a whole group of enemies. I remember taking on 5 peeps at once with my high defense shade warlock 2 months after release & killing 3 b4 the other 2 ran. I was sold for life. No stupid WoW can give you that feeling of accomplishment.
If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience? I would give this game an 8. I absolutely love it.
Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
Graphics or 100 vs 100 combat, let me choose, O here is a fun fact DFO IS A PVP game lol.
Umm...I play on a PvP server in WoW. DFO's so called FPS type combat is a joke. AV said numerous times that their combat was going to be awesome and even went so far as to say it was like Mount and Blades combat. That was an out right lie. LOL! You have one vertical attack and one horizontal attack for melee. Shields cannot actively block anything - they just add to mitigate damage. Not like Mount and Blades where shields really can block swords, arrows and what not. DFO's combat is a joke. The archery in the game sucks. The sounds for the archery sucks. OMG when I played the combat sounds were the worse I'd ever encountered in a game. Anyway, when DFO gets combat like Mount and Blade - then come talk to me. Until then, it is a psuedo FPS wannabe combat.
God I should do a review on DFO - I would not be so nice as MMORPG.com was. Game would be lucky to get a 4 from me.
You should.
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If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience? I would give this game an 8. I absolutely love it.
Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
So if me, someone who hates games with classes and linear gameplay were to rate warhammer, wow, or AION people wouldn't get mad when I gave them a 5?
Of course they would.
Get someone who's favorite type of game is a sandbox, skill based game with good pvp and you'll have an honest review.
As it is now you're having a wine reviewer rate beer. Same category, but a lot different.
If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience? I would give this game an 8. I absolutely love it.
Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
So if me, someone who hates games with classes and linear gameplay were to rate warhammer, wow, or AION people wouldn't get mad when I gave them a 5?
Of course they would.
Get someone who's favorite type of game is a sandbox, skill based game with good pvp and you'll have an honest review.
As it is now you're having a wine reviewer rate beer. Same category, but a lot different.
I think all reviews that judge by score all stupid IMO.
And No to the above 6th page post I never said he has to love it(get yourself checked out, you are hearing voices)
I am just simply stating that a reviewer will give WOW a 10 out of 10, and DFO a 4 out of 10, because its not their cup of tea, they should just state facts about the game, and how they played it and how they liked/disliked it, and leave the score out, and generally point towards the people who Might find it interesting.
I do not think Dfo is perfect, and the devs are way off from perfect. But it is still a game I love and will continue to play until something of its genre gets developed better.
I find it fun, challenging and tactical, while the next man may find it boring,annoying,sloppy.
Its all what your cup of tea is, obviously someone who will rat WOW a 10 will not rate DFO a high score nor would someone who rates DFO a 10 will rate WOW a high score.
And not to mention you did not cover the full game at all, and I am not a fanboy, I always post about the negatives of this game(so much I got banned from DFO forums for always posting negatives about the game), But I still love this game and post because I want it to appeal to more of the SHEEP, so me and other wolves can have you for dinner in game.
Do I feel DFO needs work? (skill cap/grind/more rpg/pve/crafting content,better melee combat) Yes, But what I think needs more work some may think perfect.
Reviews of games are pure opinions nothing more nothing less. Most of the niche crowd know this.
"In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."
And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'. If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all. I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said.
Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
Maybe for you. It played fine on my gaming rig. I even posted fraps vids to prove it back in the day when everyone said it was not playable. So do you really wish to go there. Not only was my gaming rig playing Vanguard, but running fraps at the time. Yet, Vanguard was unplayable. ::shakes her head::
Oh dear sweet Lord, Teala.
I am saying that is WAS NOT unplayable. I am refering to this "universal truth" that people still seem to believe. That's why I said that people would still ask me if I was able to PLAY VG after I had done a podcast for a year about the game, talking about how wonderful it is. And did you not notice THIS part:
" and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
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As a matter of fact, I too have made videos (from a long time ago,) showing VG being played on MY cheap, cheap system.
And where did anyone hear I have a "beef" with Vanguard? It must have been the fan-cast, the interviews and the blogs I continue to write about it being one of my favorite games.
Beau
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Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
Maybe for you. It played fine on my gaming rig. I even posted fraps vids to prove it back in the day when everyone said it was not playable. So do you really wish to go there. Not only was my gaming rig playing Vanguard, but running fraps at the time. Yet, Vanguard was unplayable. ::shakes her head::
Oh dear sweet Lord, Teala.
I am saying that is WAS NOT unplayable. I am refering to this "universal truth" that people still seem to believe. That's why I said that people would still ask me if I was able to PLAY VG after I had done a podcast for a year about the game, talking about how wonderful it is. And did you not notice THIS part:
"
As a matter of fact, I too have made videos (from a long time ago,) showing VG being played on MY cheap, cheap system.
And where did anyone hear I have a "beef" with Vanguard? It must have been the fan-cast, the interviews and the blogs I continue to write about it being one of my favorite games.
Beau
and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
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OK fine. We can agree on this. LOL! Forgive me, for being so quick to respond incorrectly, I should have followed my own rule and wait a day before commenting on things I know I will hotly debate. Forgive me for jumping the gun. I am sorry. ^_^
I think someone else said you ahd a "beef" with Vanguard. Because I did not. Anyway, ..."we're fine here, everything is fine...umm..we seem to have a reactor leak...." lol
I'd be careful about wanting a true sandbox style gamer to review Darkfall. It would likely get lower than the 6 mmorpg.com generously gave it.
FYI, DF is not a sandbox MMO as much as an open PvP game. There's too much of it that's static for it to be considered a sandbox, especially cities.
edit: Before you fanboys start insulting me like all the post launch mindless fans do, please realize I followed the game for years before it released and played for a few months after launch so I actually do know the game mechanics and can tell when you're bullshitting, like earlier when someone tried to play off the completely worthless in real combat melee skills as different melee styles.
I'd be careful about wanting a true sandbox style gamer to review Darkfall. It would likely get lower than the 6 mmorpg.com generously gave it. FYI, DF is not a sandbox MMO as much as an open PvP game. There's too much of it that's static for it to be considered a sandbox, especially cities.
This is true. There is also not enough to DO in the game. A little crafting, some exploring and hardly any role-play are not enough to make it anything but a slightly fancier FPS.
Don;t get me wrong, for being a slightly fancier FPS, it is a good game. Just don't expect any other than that. Within a year or two, though, who knows how it might be doing? I think that graphically it;s set up pretty well, now they just need to add something to do besided jumping around.
EDIT: I am not going to correct my typos. Let this be a lesson to you guys: never type while on the way out the door!
Beau
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"the controls aren't set up as well as they could be"
So rebind them. Big deal.
"the interface itself is horribly ugly and extremely clunky."
Ugly? Opinion. Clunky? Why not just bind a key to each and every interface window? M for map. B for backpack. etc? Usually when I read reviews about a interface I hear words like functionality and design.
"You then have to drag each item over into your own inventory window one by one. That alone would be enough to irritate an awful lot of people.."
"What did bother me was the inventory screen...This was just irritating, and as someone who insists on a neatly organized bag"
Do don't like manual loot we get it. I am not sure what the inventory screen is but lets assume it's the backpack/bank. It wasn't to your liking. Fine, you're OCD about all your pretty little trinkets. Get colored sacks and bags and organize your little heart out. This is such an insignificant aspect of the game, to waste 11 lines on it is ridiculous.
"...hunting in PvE can be a pretty slow affair with few mobs in the world, and a sizable enough grind to get your skills up. "
This either says to me, 1) you never left the starter city, or 2) you never got into a group of 3-4 other people. There are a lot of monsters in this game, and most are killable with a small group.
"You'll be fighting the same things for long stretches of time."
Yea, if you're solo. Darkfall is not designed for a solo gamer.
"While I crashed slightly less than I did when Vanguard was first released, I actually felt that even that game had received more polish."
You cannot compare polish to stability.
"there's painfully few quests - although the gameplay is about straight PvP anyway - the interface is horrific, the animations are sub par and not well varied. Combat, as nice as it might sound, even felt pretty clunky."
Quests are fluff as they have no place in a FFA PvP large scale sieging game. Again with the interface, I assume you are bagging on inventory management? It is impossible to have elaborate animations and effects when you have a hundred people running around on your screen. Clunky again. We get it, you favor polish over functionality.
I find it amazing that you don't mention sieging at all. Did you ever enter a player city or hamlet? Did you join a clan? You more or less preface your review by stating that "It focuses on an open-PvP environment, player-controlled territory, sieges, and guild/alliance wars" but then fail to mention your experience with any of it.
You say that you "had a chance to play on the European server both before and after the last major patch" but then mention nothing of the new content or your experince with it.
Were you a red or a blue? Did you do any mounted combat? Did you do any crafting? Did you get on a boat? Did you particiapte in a siege? A raid? What did you think about archery? Magic use? Did you feel anyhtign was overpowered? Did you get ganked? Did you gank? Did you witness cheaters? Did you see macroers? Did you feel you had to macro? What do you think of bloodwalls? Did you like the chat interface? Do you like the improvements they have been making to the game? What about transfers? You're playing on EU, would you wait to transfer or buy a new client? What do you feel about the lack of a skill cap?
Honestly, what kind of review was this? You didn't seem to do any more than the 1st Eurogamer fool did, but you gave it a score 3 times better. There are numerous issues, good and bad, with this game that need to be discussed. This review does nothing but regurgitate the same crap that anyone with WoW background can relate to. Can anyone in the industry competently review a game anymore?
Well what do you expect from this site? You should know by now not to expect much. It's still a good time killer now and then... to check out the forums.
"As much as I wanted to like Darkfall when I had first heard about it, I simply have to be honest: it isn't a polished game. In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way." --Direct Quote from the Review.
Someone explain to me how that is a 6 out of 10. I expected a fair and honest review, this definitely isn't one, and Jon Wood and the fellows here need to reassess their scoring.
The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.).
Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
One random note. The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.). Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
Then grade the games on a letter scale.
The problem is Dana, this crap is going to get picked up by Metacritic, etc, which use a 1-10 scoring metric, of which, 6 is acceptable.
It's your guys site, do what you want, but I'm telling you right now, at first appearence, the use of a 6 gives the game way more credit than it is due. The review itself reflects a D-, barely passable. Your review score should be the same.
One random note. The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.). Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
Then grade the games on a letter scale.
The problem is Dana, this crap is going to get picked up by Metacritic, etc, which use a 1-10 scoring metric, of which, 6 is acceptable.
It's your guys site, do what you want, but I'm telling you right now, at first appearence, the use of a 6 gives the game way more credit than it is due. The review itself reflects a D-, barely passable. Your review score should be the same.
And a six is a D, so we basically agree. We're debating revised descriptions now. The problem with using letter grades is that the entire world doesn't actually use them, so while Americans might get it right off, some others would not.
I am just letting you guys know the guidelines we gave the writer. I honestly hadn't realized it still said acceptable (that part is auto generated when we enter the score) until the review went live.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
The review was generous to say the least. I aslo found the UI to be more than clumsey. My favorite game was UO before all the changes and I was hoping that Darkfall could provide something close to that experience. While Darkfall has more features it on the whole can't even compare to uo 8 years ago. Now that is sad.
The most important fact missed by the review, this game is a hackers, exploiters delight and Aventurine has done very little to control it.
So if you like to play a fairly cheat free game like I do, this one is not it. And don't try to tell me they don't exist, a friend of mine has a powerful mage built by exploits on the European server and is now well on his way to doing the same on the NA one. So the playing field is not level at all.
One random note. The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.). Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
One random note. The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.). Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
AFAIK D is a 5
This is why we don't use actual letter grades. Everyone has a different scale!
Where I went to school (and what I told the writer):
10 = A+ / Perfect
9 = A / Amazing
8 = B / really good
7 = C / Average
6 = D / Mediocre
5 = F / Broken, but with redeeming qualities
2-4 = F / Broken, with fewer redeeming qualities
1 = F- / No redeeming qualities, and it doesn't really work.
Darkfall, no matter what you think of it, is not actually broken. I think it's fair to say, it works as intended.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
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Games such as Command & Conquer 1 and Elders Scrolls 2 Daggerfall are better then Daikatana online. Shut up and BAW else where over your OMG LOW SCOREZZZZZ. If close to everyone is rating the game low then close to all those millions are either on crack or JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND DA GAME? No moron your all living in a fantasy world. It's called go outside.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
As far as Shadowbane goes, its only downfall was server lags & nothing else. Graphics were a bit outdated but not at launch. The only game to date where smarts, skill & a cool head could cause 1 player to destroy a whole group of enemies. I remember taking on 5 peeps at once with my high defense shade warlock 2 months after release & killing 3 b4 the other 2 ran. I was sold for life. No stupid WoW can give you that feeling of accomplishment.
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
omg its darkfail again
Umm...I play on a PvP server in WoW. DFO's so called FPS type combat is a joke. AV said numerous times that their combat was going to be awesome and even went so far as to say it was like Mount and Blades combat. That was an out right lie. LOL! You have one vertical attack and one horizontal attack for melee. Shields cannot actively block anything - they just add to mitigate damage. Not like Mount and Blades where shields really can block swords, arrows and what not. DFO's combat is a joke. The archery in the game sucks. The sounds for the archery sucks. OMG when I played the combat sounds were the worse I'd ever encountered in a game. Anyway, when DFO gets combat like Mount and Blade - then come talk to me. Until then, it is a psuedo FPS wannabe combat.
God I should do a review on DFO - I would not be so nice as MMORPG.com was. Game would be lucky to get a 4 from me.
You should.
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Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
So if me, someone who hates games with classes and linear gameplay were to rate warhammer, wow, or AION people wouldn't get mad when I gave them a 5?
Of course they would.
Get someone who's favorite type of game is a sandbox, skill based game with good pvp and you'll have an honest review.
As it is now you're having a wine reviewer rate beer. Same category, but a lot different.
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Incidentally, I think these x out of 10 reviews don't work. I mean, really, what IS the difference between a 7 and an 8?
It should be out of 5
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Exactly, my point.
If you like it you like if you love it you love it and if you hate it you hate it.
And you review will be based on your feelings for it, this review was terrible, but the question is can you review such a game, because If I reviewed I wil give it around 7.5(or did) and a 8.5-9 if more diversity and melee combat was better.
To me everything In DFO takes some type of player skills and character skill, which is a mix between MMOFPS and MMORPG.
I love dfo, obviously this guy does not, which is why he gave it aroun da 6 , because he knows its for a niche, but still this review is flawed to say the least.
So first you fanbots want the reviewer to spend alot of time in game. This reviewer did.
Now, that's not good enough. Since you didn't get a good score, you raise the standard higher by claiming the reviewer has to love the game in order for it to be a valid review, claiming that different gaming mindsets will inevitably taint the review with bias; in this case, bias toward Darkfall because it's a sandbox game, and you assume the reviewer is some WoW themepark noob who didn't like the game because of that reason.
You guys are ridiculous, but your posts are funny.
So if me, someone who hates games with classes and linear gameplay were to rate warhammer, wow, or AION people wouldn't get mad when I gave them a 5?
Of course they would.
Get someone who's favorite type of game is a sandbox, skill based game with good pvp and you'll have an honest review.
As it is now you're having a wine reviewer rate beer. Same category, but a lot different.
I think all reviews that judge by score all stupid IMO.
And No to the above 6th page post I never said he has to love it(get yourself checked out, you are hearing voices)
I am just simply stating that a reviewer will give WOW a 10 out of 10, and DFO a 4 out of 10, because its not their cup of tea, they should just state facts about the game, and how they played it and how they liked/disliked it, and leave the score out, and generally point towards the people who Might find it interesting.
I do not think Dfo is perfect, and the devs are way off from perfect. But it is still a game I love and will continue to play until something of its genre gets developed better.
I find it fun, challenging and tactical, while the next man may find it boring,annoying,sloppy.
Its all what your cup of tea is, obviously someone who will rat WOW a 10 will not rate DFO a high score nor would someone who rates DFO a 10 will rate WOW a high score.
And not to mention you did not cover the full game at all, and I am not a fanboy, I always post about the negatives of this game(so much I got banned from DFO forums for always posting negatives about the game), But I still love this game and post because I want it to appeal to more of the SHEEP, so me and other wolves can have you for dinner in game.
Do I feel DFO needs work? (skill cap/grind/more rpg/pve/crafting content,better melee combat) Yes, But what I think needs more work some may think perfect.
Reviews of games are pure opinions nothing more nothing less. Most of the niche crowd know this.
I think a 6/10 would convert to a 2.5 or a 3 out of 5.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
This from the review:
"In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."
And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'. If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all. I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said.
Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
Maybe for you. It played fine on my gaming rig. I even posted fraps vids to prove it back in the day when everyone said it was not playable. So do you really wish to go there. Not only was my gaming rig playing Vanguard, but running fraps at the time. Yet, Vanguard was unplayable. ::shakes her head::
Oh dear sweet Lord, Teala.
I am saying that is WAS NOT unplayable. I am refering to this "universal truth" that people still seem to believe. That's why I said that people would still ask me if I was able to PLAY VG after I had done a podcast for a year about the game, talking about how wonderful it is. And did you not notice THIS part:
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and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
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As a matter of fact, I too have made videos (from a long time ago,) showing VG being played on MY cheap, cheap system.
http://www.gaxonline.com/video/1511077:Video:55745
Next time I will break it down slower.
And where did anyone hear I have a "beef" with Vanguard? It must have been the fan-cast, the interviews and the blogs I continue to write about it being one of my favorite games.
Beau
Listen to the Spouse Aggro podcast at spouseaggro.com. Twitter: spouseaggro
Sorry, but eating shit is a "niche activity", and except for shit-eaters it is not considered nice.
And a gamer can play a "themepark" and a "sanbox" and discern whitch one is good or bad.
Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
Maybe for you. It played fine on my gaming rig. I even posted fraps vids to prove it back in the day when everyone said it was not playable. So do you really wish to go there. Not only was my gaming rig playing Vanguard, but running fraps at the time. Yet, Vanguard was unplayable. ::shakes her head::
Oh dear sweet Lord, Teala.
I am saying that is WAS NOT unplayable. I am refering to this "universal truth" that people still seem to believe. That's why I said that people would still ask me if I was able to PLAY VG after I had done a podcast for a year about the game, talking about how wonderful it is. And did you not notice THIS part:
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As a matter of fact, I too have made videos (from a long time ago,) showing VG being played on MY cheap, cheap system.
http://www.gaxonline.com/video/1511077:Video:55745
Next time I will break it down slower.
And where did anyone hear I have a "beef" with Vanguard? It must have been the fan-cast, the interviews and the blogs I continue to write about it being one of my favorite games.
Beau
and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
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OK fine. We can agree on this.
LOL! Forgive me, for being so quick to respond incorrectly, I should have followed my own rule and wait a day before commenting on things I know I will hotly debate. Forgive me for jumping the gun. I am sorry. ^_^
I think someone else said you ahd a "beef" with Vanguard. Because I did not. Anyway, ..."we're fine here, everything is fine...umm..we seem to have a reactor leak...." lol
I'd be careful about wanting a true sandbox style gamer to review Darkfall. It would likely get lower than the 6 mmorpg.com generously gave it.
FYI, DF is not a sandbox MMO as much as an open PvP game. There's too much of it that's static for it to be considered a sandbox, especially cities.
edit: Before you fanboys start insulting me like all the post launch mindless fans do, please realize I followed the game for years before it released and played for a few months after launch so I actually do know the game mechanics and can tell when you're bullshitting, like earlier when someone tried to play off the completely worthless in real combat melee skills as different melee styles.
This is true. There is also not enough to DO in the game. A little crafting, some exploring and hardly any role-play are not enough to make it anything but a slightly fancier FPS.
Don;t get me wrong, for being a slightly fancier FPS, it is a good game. Just don't expect any other than that. Within a year or two, though, who knows how it might be doing? I think that graphically it;s set up pretty well, now they just need to add something to do besided jumping around.
EDIT: I am not going to correct my typos. Let this be a lesson to you guys: never type while on the way out the door!
Beau
Listen to the Spouse Aggro podcast at spouseaggro.com. Twitter: spouseaggro
What exactly did Bulger not like?
"the controls aren't set up as well as they could be"
So rebind them. Big deal.
"the interface itself is horribly ugly and extremely clunky."
Ugly? Opinion. Clunky? Why not just bind a key to each and every interface window? M for map. B for backpack. etc? Usually when I read reviews about a interface I hear words like functionality and design.
"You then have to drag each item over into your own inventory window one by one. That alone would be enough to irritate an awful lot of people.."
"What did bother me was the inventory screen...This was just irritating, and as someone who insists on a neatly organized bag"
Do don't like manual loot we get it. I am not sure what the inventory screen is but lets assume it's the backpack/bank. It wasn't to your liking. Fine, you're OCD about all your pretty little trinkets. Get colored sacks and bags and organize your little heart out. This is such an insignificant aspect of the game, to waste 11 lines on it is ridiculous.
"...hunting in PvE can be a pretty slow affair with few mobs in the world, and a sizable enough grind to get your skills up. "
This either says to me, 1) you never left the starter city, or 2) you never got into a group of 3-4 other people. There are a lot of monsters in this game, and most are killable with a small group.
"You'll be fighting the same things for long stretches of time."
Yea, if you're solo. Darkfall is not designed for a solo gamer.
"While I crashed slightly less than I did when Vanguard was first released, I actually felt that even that game had received more polish."
You cannot compare polish to stability.
"there's painfully few quests - although the gameplay is about straight PvP anyway - the interface is horrific, the animations are sub par and not well varied. Combat, as nice as it might sound, even felt pretty clunky."
Quests are fluff as they have no place in a FFA PvP large scale sieging game. Again with the interface, I assume you are bagging on inventory management? It is impossible to have elaborate animations and effects when you have a hundred people running around on your screen. Clunky again. We get it, you favor polish over functionality.
I find it amazing that you don't mention sieging at all. Did you ever enter a player city or hamlet? Did you join a clan? You more or less preface your review by stating that "It focuses on an open-PvP environment, player-controlled territory, sieges, and guild/alliance wars" but then fail to mention your experience with any of it.
You say that you "had a chance to play on the European server both before and after the last major patch" but then mention nothing of the new content or your experince with it.
Were you a red or a blue? Did you do any mounted combat? Did you do any crafting? Did you get on a boat? Did you particiapte in a siege? A raid? What did you think about archery? Magic use? Did you feel anyhtign was overpowered? Did you get ganked? Did you gank? Did you witness cheaters? Did you see macroers? Did you feel you had to macro? What do you think of bloodwalls? Did you like the chat interface? Do you like the improvements they have been making to the game? What about transfers? You're playing on EU, would you wait to transfer or buy a new client? What do you feel about the lack of a skill cap?
Honestly, what kind of review was this? You didn't seem to do any more than the 1st Eurogamer fool did, but you gave it a score 3 times better. There are numerous issues, good and bad, with this game that need to be discussed. This review does nothing but regurgitate the same crap that anyone with WoW background can relate to. Can anyone in the industry competently review a game anymore?
Well what do you expect from this site? You should know by now not to expect much. It's still a good time killer now and then... to check out the forums.
"As much as I wanted to like Darkfall when I had first heard about it, I simply have to be honest: it isn't a polished game. In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way." --Direct Quote from the Review.
Someone explain to me how that is a 6 out of 10. I expected a fair and honest review, this definitely isn't one, and Jon Wood and the fellows here need to reassess their scoring.
Total copout, anti -Eurogamer review. Boo.
One random note.
The "description" (in this case 6 / Acceptable) word we use with each review is probably outdated. As far as our editorial guidelines go, we look at this kind of like school (9 is an A, 7 is a C, etc.).
Thus, to us, 6 is a D. Acceptable is not really the correct descriptor word (we're working on that).
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Then grade the games on a letter scale.
The problem is Dana, this crap is going to get picked up by Metacritic, etc, which use a 1-10 scoring metric, of which, 6 is acceptable.
It's your guys site, do what you want, but I'm telling you right now, at first appearence, the use of a 6 gives the game way more credit than it is due. The review itself reflects a D-, barely passable. Your review score should be the same.
Then grade the games on a letter scale.
The problem is Dana, this crap is going to get picked up by Metacritic, etc, which use a 1-10 scoring metric, of which, 6 is acceptable.
It's your guys site, do what you want, but I'm telling you right now, at first appearence, the use of a 6 gives the game way more credit than it is due. The review itself reflects a D-, barely passable. Your review score should be the same.
And a six is a D, so we basically agree. We're debating revised descriptions now. The problem with using letter grades is that the entire world doesn't actually use them, so while Americans might get it right off, some others would not.
I am just letting you guys know the guidelines we gave the writer. I honestly hadn't realized it still said acceptable (that part is auto generated when we enter the score) until the review went live.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
The review was generous to say the least. I aslo found the UI to be more than clumsey. My favorite game was UO before all the changes and I was hoping that Darkfall could provide something close to that experience. While Darkfall has more features it on the whole can't even compare to uo 8 years ago. Now that is sad.
The most important fact missed by the review, this game is a hackers, exploiters delight and Aventurine has done very little to control it.
So if you like to play a fairly cheat free game like I do, this one is not it. And don't try to tell me they don't exist, a friend of mine has a powerful mage built by exploits on the European server and is now well on his way to doing the same on the NA one. So the playing field is not level at all.
AFAIK D is a 5
AFAIK D is a 5
This is why we don't use actual letter grades. Everyone has a different scale!
Where I went to school (and what I told the writer):
10 = A+ / Perfect
9 = A / Amazing
8 = B / really good
7 = C / Average
6 = D / Mediocre
5 = F / Broken, but with redeeming qualities
2-4 = F / Broken, with fewer redeeming qualities
1 = F- / No redeeming qualities, and it doesn't really work.
Darkfall, no matter what you think of it, is not actually broken. I think it's fair to say, it works as intended.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios