When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
All you need to know about healthcare and who really wants it for Americans is this:
Everytime the Republicans have either held the presidency or held Congress, they have NEVER introduced a measure to streamline or propose a plan to help cover Americans with health insurance. Ever. No Republican has ever submitted even a bill that asks for a national healthcare policy of any type where Americans can get covered.
Everytime a major healthcare plan in America has been introduced to the American people in this century, it was always done by a Democrat. From Social Security with FDR, to Clinton's plan, to Obama's plan. Every president that has shown even the slightest interest in keeping Americans with some type of BASIC healthcare rights in this nation since inception has been a "liberal". Think about that. The only party that really pushed for Americans to be covered was Democrats.
Reagan, Both Bushes, Ford, Nixon, etc etc etc... have no shown no interest in getting Americans national health coverage. They shoot it down when they aren't in power, and when they ARE in power, they don't work on it at all, because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose (insurance lobby money)
So the next time you hear a Republican say "Yeah, we want healthcare for all Americans, just not the kind the liberals are proposing", ask them about their record and what they've written or supported as an alternative. Ask them what kind of healthcare for Americans do they they they should get. All they'll say is "no", period.
You'll find they have never had any plans because it wasn't in the best interest of the insurance companies most Republicans get support from.
Where in the constitution is it stated that it is the Federal Government's job to take tax money from some Americans to pay for the health care of other Americans?
If you believe in our form of government, the only reasonable response to federal Government Health Care is "no."
Are you that selfish that you don't want other Americans to live because they're too poor to pay for it? I pay Taxes which go towards Free Health Care in the UK and guess what whenever I need something in return I can go and I'm not charged a big bill. These taxes are tiny and the wages and prices all change to them so it'll have no effect on your life. You'll just be helping out other Americans. Many other countries in the World use this system like Canada and France and the UK and it works great.
You're Taxed for the schools and the roads and the Global Warming (even tho theres no hard evidence that we cause it) and you're taxed for the firemen and the Policemen........... why not Health Care? So you'll get it for free like the Police and the rest of them and other people can have a better life.
A lot of these townhallers are pretty, um, un-informed people. Like the guy who told Rep. Robert Inglis to “keep your government hands off my Medicare.” That's the quote of the year right there.
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
So all of the people who are for this system and other systems like it are not American? I'm pretty sure Americans decide how the countries "DNA" is defined. If we want to "destroy the constitution" and elect leaders who want the same, that is now the American way.
That is one massive reason I cannot stand conservatives. They think they know what Americans want and seem to completely ignore the fact that the majority of Americans elected officials with the exact opposite idea.
It's not the 50's. American values have changed.
I heard yelling louder makes your vote count for more :P
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Edit: this isn't intended to be vendicitve.. sarcastic, rude, or whatever else you want to pin to it. Its me honestly saying were doing fine up here.
I dunno, I'm canadian and feel really free.
Maybe you guys should come up here and check it out
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Originally posted by Fishermage Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
So all of the people who are for this system and other systems like it are not American? I'm pretty sure Americans decide how the countries "DNA" is defined. If we want to "destroy the constitution" and elect leaders who want the same, that is now the American way.
That is one massive reason I cannot stand conservatives. They think they know what Americans want and seem to completely ignore the fact that the majority of Americans elected officials with the exact opposite idea.
It's not the 50's. American values have changed.
Have you checked the poll numbers on this? You're side is losing. And more and more people are changing their minds at each polling release.
Why do you fear freedom so much? Why do feel it is okay for the federal government to make decisions for you and others? I do not want the federal government intruding into mine and my family's lives. That is our decision to make. And this is nothing but absolute denial of my decision making process.
This countries Constitution and Bill of Rights state that I have a right to freedom and liberty. This denies me of both of those.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
Last I checked, the American people are the government. Seems like a lot of people forget that.
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
You haven't been keeping up with what's in this proposal have you.
And if England's health care system is so good, then how come people from there come over here for their care? And how come people from here are not beating down the doors to get to England for their health care? Look at the obvious clues.
And one other thing. NOTHING is free.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
All you need to know about healthcare and who really wants it for Americans is this:
Everytime the Republicans have either held the presidency or held Congress, they have NEVER introduced a measure to streamline or propose a plan to help cover Americans with health insurance. Ever. No Republican has ever submitted even a bill that asks for a national healthcare policy of any type where Americans can get covered.
Everytime a major healthcare plan in America has been introduced to the American people in this century, it was always done by a Democrat. From Social Security with FDR, to Clinton's plan, to Obama's plan. Every president that has shown even the slightest interest in keeping Americans with some type of BASIC healthcare rights in this nation since inception has been a "liberal". Think about that. The only party that really pushed for Americans to be covered was Democrats.
Reagan, Both Bushes, Ford, Nixon, etc etc etc... have no shown no interest in getting Americans national health coverage. They shoot it down when they aren't in power, and when they ARE in power, they don't work on it at all, because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose (insurance lobby money)
So the next time you hear a Republican say "Yeah, we want healthcare for all Americans, just not the kind the liberals are proposing", ask them about their record and what they've written or supported as an alternative. Ask them what kind of healthcare for Americans do they they they should get. All they'll say is "no", period.
You'll find they have never had any plans because it wasn't in the best interest of the insurance companies most Republicans get support from.
Where in the constitution is it stated that it is the Federal Government's job to take tax money from some Americans to pay for the health care of other Americans?
If you believe in our form of government, the only reasonable response to federal Government Health Care is "no."
Are you that selfish that you don't want other Americans to live because they're too poor to pay for it? I pay Taxes which go towards Free Health Care in the UK and guess what whenever I need something in return I can go and I'm not charged a big bill. These taxes are tiny and the wages and prices all change to them so it'll have no effect on your life. You'll just be helping out other Americans. Many other countries in the World use this system like Canada and France and the UK and it works great.
You're Taxed for the schools and the roads and the Global Warming (even tho theres no hard evidence that we cause it) and you're taxed for the firemen and the Policemen........... why not Health Care? So you'll get it for free like the Police and the rest of them and other people can have a better life.
No, I'm so selfish that I want my money to be kept by me so that I can keep it in my community to help out others. I do not want it sent to an inefficient federal government. And I especially don't want it going somewhere by force.
And again, NOTHING is free.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Edit: this isn't intended to be vendicitve.. sarcastic, rude, or whatever else you want to pin to it. Its me honestly saying were doing fine up here.
I dunno, I'm canadian and feel really free.
Maybe you guys should come up here and check it out
From what I've seen, you're really sick are coming down here to check us out.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by Fishermage Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by kimmar From what I've seen, you're really sick are coming down here to check us out.
Yea I know, every time I go to the emergency room it is just full of people from England and Canada.
The only people who come here from other countries to get treatment here are the wealthy. The U.S. has great high-cost care, for treating things like cancer and what not. But what you are saying only usually applies to the wealthy people who can afford the huge costs of that treatment.
When the government starts taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans, you are going to see a huge backlash. We are not a European country. It's not in our DNA. We are different and that difference goes right down to the core of America. If people trying to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights keep up this non sense, then it is freedom loving American's duty to shove them out of the way. I will protect my freedom, no matter what it takes. Don't tread on me!
There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
Last I checked, the American people are the government. Seems like a lot of people forget that.
You need to brush up on your American history. We were not setup to be a nanny state. We allow the powers of the federal government, it does not allow us things in this country.
I do not want you using the federal government to make me do things. So get the hell out of mine and my family's lives. I cherish my freedom and my own decision making powers (aka liberty). You want to live some place where the majority makes a decision for you, then there are plenty of countries like that where it spelled out in their founding documents. Here, most people don't take too kindly to your intrusiveness.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by kimmar Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
Originally posted by kimmar From what I've seen, you're really sick are coming down here to check us out.
Yea I know, every time I go to the emergency room it is just full of people from England and Canada.
The only people who come here from other countries to get treatment here are the wealthy. The U.S. has great high-cost care, for treating things like cancer and what not. But what you are saying only usually applies to the wealthy people who can afford the huge costs of that treatment.
Really? Then how did my middle class mom just get her cancer treated so quickly? She's anything other than rich. And she's not using Medicare either. She has her own insurance policy that she pays for out of her own pocket. The day after her doctor found her cancer she had begun her treatment. And she's doing just fine now, not even bankrupt.
I found out last month that I needed an ACL for my knee. Guess when I had my surgery and it was fixed. 2 days later!!! Now I'm doing almost 100% thanks to my post op physical therapy. And my family is not bankrupt either. And we are all kinds of middle class.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by kimmar Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
Don't have to. I've got a Constitution and Bill of Rights that I'm pretty confident are going to win out. Not to mention that upswell of support against your use of government to intrude in our lives.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by kimmar Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
So that's basically what it boils down to. You can't successfully control your life and want to depend on the federal government, so you think everyone should be just as pathetic as you.
Originally posted by Fishermage Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
Oh so snce I haven't EXPERIENCED slavery, I should try it and see if I like it? That argument fails. When I say "WE" I mean people who believe in freedom. I understand if you are against freedom, and that is certainly your prerogative.
Originally posted by kimmar Really? Then how did my middle class mom just get her cancer treated so quickly? She's anything other than rich. And she's not using Medicare either. She has her own insurance policy that she pays for out of her own pocket. The day after her doctor found her cancer she had begun her treatment. And she's doing just fine now, not even bankrupt. I found out last month that I needed an ACL for my knee. Guess when I had my surgery and it was fixed. 2 days later!!! Now I'm doing almost 100% thanks to my post op physical therapy. And my family is not bankrupt either. And we are all kinds of middle class.
Yes because you and your mom have insurance, which is good. So what happens to someone who say, lost their job, and then he gets cancer. Is he to be expected to pay for it out of pocket?Or should he just wither up and die?
Or how about the people who go to emergency rooms and end up stiffing them on the bill? It happens so much that it's ridiculous, especially here in California (which I'm sure you already know.) Maybe if there's a public option for health insurance, that wouldn't happen and it would lower the costs of private insurance.
I'm all for having Universal Health care as an option. If you like your insurance you have now, great. Keep it. But I would like a public option to have to fall back on, in case something bad happens (if I lost my job, etc.)
Originally posted by kimmar Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
So that's basically what it boils down to. You can't successfully control your life and want to depend on the federal government, so you think everyone should be just as pathetic as you.
They want t drag the rest of the world down into their repugnant parisitic system.
Originally posted by kimmar Really? Then how did my middle class mom just get her cancer treated so quickly? She's anything other than rich. And she's not using Medicare either. She has her own insurance policy that she pays for out of her own pocket. The day after her doctor found her cancer she had begun her treatment. And she's doing just fine now, not even bankrupt. I found out last month that I needed an ACL for my knee. Guess when I had my surgery and it was fixed. 2 days later!!! Now I'm doing almost 100% thanks to my post op physical therapy. And my family is not bankrupt either. And we are all kinds of middle class.
Yes because you and your mom have insurance, which is good. So what happens to someone who say, lost their job, and then he gets cancer. Is he to be expected to pay for it out of pocket?Or should he just wither up and die?
Or how about the people who go to emergency rooms and end up stiffing them on the bill? It happens so much that it's ridiculous, especially here in California (which I'm sure you already know.) Maybe if there's a public option for health insurance, that wouldn't happen and it would lower the costs of private insurance.
I'm all for having Universal Health care as an option. If you like your insurance you have now, great. Keep it. But I would like a public option to have to fall back on, in case something bad happens (if I lost my job, etc.)
None of this gives anyone the right to point a gun to people's heads an force them to be enslaved to their fellow man. If you believe people should help one another, no one is stopping you. Socialism is not the answer.
Originally posted by Fishermage Oh so snce I haven't EXPERIENCED slavery, I should try it and see if I like it? That argument fails. When I say "WE" I mean people who believe in freedom. I understand if you are against freedom, and that is certainly your prerogative.
Wow no wonder so many people have you blocked, you just twist words around to fit your own agenda. Yes, I'm against freedom because I think our health is too important to be decided by private companies. I'm such a communist!
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Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Where in the constitution is it stated that it is the Federal Government's job to take tax money from some Americans to pay for the health care of other Americans?
If you believe in our form of government, the only reasonable response to federal Government Health Care is "no."
Are you that selfish that you don't want other Americans to live because they're too poor to pay for it? I pay Taxes which go towards Free Health Care in the UK and guess what whenever I need something in return I can go and I'm not charged a big bill. These taxes are tiny and the wages and prices all change to them so it'll have no effect on your life. You'll just be helping out other Americans. Many other countries in the World use this system like Canada and France and the UK and it works great.
You're Taxed for the schools and the roads and the Global Warming (even tho theres no hard evidence that we cause it) and you're taxed for the firemen and the Policemen........... why not Health Care? So you'll get it for free like the Police and the rest of them and other people can have a better life.
A lot of these townhallers are pretty, um, un-informed people. Like the guy who told Rep. Robert Inglis to “keep your government hands off my Medicare.” That's the quote of the year right there.
*oops spelling edit
So all of the people who are for this system and other systems like it are not American? I'm pretty sure Americans decide how the countries "DNA" is defined. If we want to "destroy the constitution" and elect leaders who want the same, that is now the American way.
That is one massive reason I cannot stand conservatives. They think they know what Americans want and seem to completely ignore the fact that the majority of Americans elected officials with the exact opposite idea.
It's not the 50's. American values have changed.
I heard yelling louder makes your vote count for more :P
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
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Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Edit: this isn't intended to be vendicitve.. sarcastic, rude, or whatever else you want to pin to it. Its me honestly saying were doing fine up here.
I dunno, I'm canadian and feel really free.
Maybe you guys should come up here and check it out
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Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
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So all of the people who are for this system and other systems like it are not American? I'm pretty sure Americans decide how the countries "DNA" is defined. If we want to "destroy the constitution" and elect leaders who want the same, that is now the American way.
That is one massive reason I cannot stand conservatives. They think they know what Americans want and seem to completely ignore the fact that the majority of Americans elected officials with the exact opposite idea.
It's not the 50's. American values have changed.
Have you checked the poll numbers on this? You're side is losing. And more and more people are changing their minds at each polling release.
Why do you fear freedom so much? Why do feel it is okay for the federal government to make decisions for you and others? I do not want the federal government intruding into mine and my family's lives. That is our decision to make. And this is nothing but absolute denial of my decision making process.
This countries Constitution and Bill of Rights state that I have a right to freedom and liberty. This denies me of both of those.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
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There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
Last I checked, the American people are the government. Seems like a lot of people forget that.
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Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
You haven't been keeping up with what's in this proposal have you.
And if England's health care system is so good, then how come people from there come over here for their care? And how come people from here are not beating down the doors to get to England for their health care? Look at the obvious clues.
And one other thing. NOTHING is free.
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Where in the constitution is it stated that it is the Federal Government's job to take tax money from some Americans to pay for the health care of other Americans?
If you believe in our form of government, the only reasonable response to federal Government Health Care is "no."
Are you that selfish that you don't want other Americans to live because they're too poor to pay for it? I pay Taxes which go towards Free Health Care in the UK and guess what whenever I need something in return I can go and I'm not charged a big bill. These taxes are tiny and the wages and prices all change to them so it'll have no effect on your life. You'll just be helping out other Americans. Many other countries in the World use this system like Canada and France and the UK and it works great.
You're Taxed for the schools and the roads and the Global Warming (even tho theres no hard evidence that we cause it) and you're taxed for the firemen and the Policemen........... why not Health Care? So you'll get it for free like the Police and the rest of them and other people can have a better life.
No, I'm so selfish that I want my money to be kept by me so that I can keep it in my community to help out others. I do not want it sent to an inefficient federal government. And I especially don't want it going somewhere by force.
And again, NOTHING is free.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
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Amen.
Whose taking anyway anyones freedom lol? People make a big fuss over nothing. Whats all this we're not European it's not in our DNA bollox? First of all most of the American population originally came from Europe so it is in your DNA and secondly I feel free, noones locking me up in a cage.
I find the whole Health Care argument stupid because some people just can't afford Health Care and what are they meant to live in Pain or even die because they can't cover the cost of the bills? You make kids go to school and you're protected by the Police and Firemen, yet the most important thing, health care is something you can't get for free.
In England Health Care is free and you'll get the meds for free and no matter what people say about it, it's a free service and it saves lives. So what you have to wait an hour or two to get seen if it's not urgent, you'll be seen. Many people forget aswel you can always pay for private Health Care if you're not happy with the free service.
Nothing is free under socialism. Socialism means that someone is forced by the state to pay for another. I din't tell you how to live; I suggest you do the same. If you like slavery, sociaist serdom, enjoy it. We don't want it.
Edit: this isn't intended to be vendicitve.. sarcastic, rude, or whatever else you want to pin to it. Its me honestly saying were doing fine up here.
I dunno, I'm canadian and feel really free.
Maybe you guys should come up here and check it out
From what I've seen, you're really sick are coming down here to check us out.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
Then move to France. If that's what it takes to keep you from using the federal government to push your ideas on others, then I'll buy you the plane ticket.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
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Yea I know, every time I go to the emergency room it is just full of people from England and Canada.
The only people who come here from other countries to get treatment here are the wealthy. The U.S. has great high-cost care, for treating things like cancer and what not. But what you are saying only usually applies to the wealthy people who can afford the huge costs of that treatment.
There are plenty of us right there with you!
This government intrusion into our lives has got to stop. And the only people to stop it is the American people. We are to keep the federal government in check, that is our duty. Our duty is not to let the federal government make decisions for us.
Last I checked, the American people are the government. Seems like a lot of people forget that.
You need to brush up on your American history. We were not setup to be a nanny state. We allow the powers of the federal government, it does not allow us things in this country.
I do not want you using the federal government to make me do things. So get the hell out of mine and my family's lives. I cherish my freedom and my own decision making powers (aka liberty). You want to live some place where the majority makes a decision for you, then there are plenty of countries like that where it spelled out in their founding documents. Here, most people don't take too kindly to your intrusiveness.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
Yea I know, every time I go to the emergency room it is just full of people from England and Canada.
The only people who come here from other countries to get treatment here are the wealthy. The U.S. has great high-cost care, for treating things like cancer and what not. But what you are saying only usually applies to the wealthy people who can afford the huge costs of that treatment.
Really? Then how did my middle class mom just get her cancer treated so quickly? She's anything other than rich. And she's not using Medicare either. She has her own insurance policy that she pays for out of her own pocket. The day after her doctor found her cancer she had begun her treatment. And she's doing just fine now, not even bankrupt.
I found out last month that I needed an ACL for my knee. Guess when I had my surgery and it was fixed. 2 days later!!! Now I'm doing almost 100% thanks to my post op physical therapy. And my family is not bankrupt either. And we are all kinds of middle class.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
Don't have to. I've got a Constitution and Bill of Rights that I'm pretty confident are going to win out. Not to mention that upswell of support against your use of government to intrude in our lives.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
So that's basically what it boils down to. You can't successfully control your life and want to depend on the federal government, so you think everyone should be just as pathetic as you.
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Fisher, have you ever lived somewhere where there is Socialism? If not, then please don't try to seem like an expert on the subject. I would believe what someone living in the UK says about their health care more than you.
And you don't speak for everyone. "We don't want it." Actually, I would rather have Universal Health care with the option of buying supplementary insurance if need be. Just like France, who has the best health care system in the world. And they don't get reamed on the price of it like we do too, their supplementary insurance is on average $115 a month.
Oh so snce I haven't EXPERIENCED slavery, I should try it and see if I like it? That argument fails. When I say "WE" I mean people who believe in freedom. I understand if you are against freedom, and that is certainly your prerogative.
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Yes because you and your mom have insurance, which is good. So what happens to someone who say, lost their job, and then he gets cancer. Is he to be expected to pay for it out of pocket?Or should he just wither up and die?
Or how about the people who go to emergency rooms and end up stiffing them on the bill? It happens so much that it's ridiculous, especially here in California (which I'm sure you already know.) Maybe if there's a public option for health insurance, that wouldn't happen and it would lower the costs of private insurance.
I'm all for having Universal Health care as an option. If you like your insurance you have now, great. Keep it. But I would like a public option to have to fall back on, in case something bad happens (if I lost my job, etc.)
Nope I won't have to, because pretty soon we might have the same thing here or something similar. You should start looking at other countries to go to yourself.
So that's basically what it boils down to. You can't successfully control your life and want to depend on the federal government, so you think everyone should be just as pathetic as you.
They want t drag the rest of the world down into their repugnant parisitic system.
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Yes because you and your mom have insurance, which is good. So what happens to someone who say, lost their job, and then he gets cancer. Is he to be expected to pay for it out of pocket?Or should he just wither up and die?
Or how about the people who go to emergency rooms and end up stiffing them on the bill? It happens so much that it's ridiculous, especially here in California (which I'm sure you already know.) Maybe if there's a public option for health insurance, that wouldn't happen and it would lower the costs of private insurance.
I'm all for having Universal Health care as an option. If you like your insurance you have now, great. Keep it. But I would like a public option to have to fall back on, in case something bad happens (if I lost my job, etc.)
None of this gives anyone the right to point a gun to people's heads an force them to be enslaved to their fellow man. If you believe people should help one another, no one is stopping you. Socialism is not the answer.
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Wow no wonder so many people have you blocked, you just twist words around to fit your own agenda. Yes, I'm against freedom because I think our health is too important to be decided by private companies. I'm such a communist!