Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)...
The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products.
If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
But to the larger point. The article is about this kind of content in games. Good or bad? Not about Republics and Democrats. It just so happens that the fire starter for this piece was a conservative website. I'm Canadian, I truly don't have a Republican or Democratic agenda
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.
Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol).
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning! Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to when we can watch 2 males spoon in a video game. We are all doomed I tell you! Repent now!
Yes, spoony love. How dreadful it tis.
I seriously don't have an issue with people who have a set of values, morals, whatever you want to call it, and they live by them. Especially if those values don't infringe or try to dictate how others live.
It's when people like this get up on their soapboxes, virtual or on the street corner, is when I get upset. I don't go around spouting of my values and morals. I keep them to myself. I expect the same in return. If I ask you for yours, by all means, talk to my ears bleed. If I don't, then STFU.
Yeah, kinda like spewing liberal drivel on a gaming website. How oppressive.
Well, if you want to make an assumption on my political affiliations based on that little information, then I'll make one on your 53 years of age and being from Iowa. Vote for Palin again and see where it gets ya!
Wasnt just you i was referring too but considering how well Obama has worked out anyone including Palin might bring some of the "hope" your grasping for.
Not a chance in hell. The day she's elected is the day I move to Canada or England.
That's one thing I never understood about you guys. You want "everyone else" to shut up and let your guy finish their terms before they're judged yet hell has a chance of freezing over before you'll extend that same courtesy should your guy lose office. You want patience when your guy is in, and immediate results (with zero positive aid from your side) when the other guy is in.
I mean, seriously, there is no way you can compare the whiny droning of Al Franken, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow (all who annoy me but I give Keith slack because of his stint on ESPN) to the hate speech of Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Well, unless you are in lock-step with the latter in which case there is no point in discussing it.
As for "hope", I have none for this country as long as Rush, Bill, Shawn and Ann are on the television and/or radio and people still vote for a Palin. When a certain generation dies out and the "old ways" are gone and it's left to these young kids who exhibit a ton more tolerance than those in power right now...then, only then, might I have some hope.
I'm 32 now and I'm talking when/if I make it to 72 and above.
Nobody can take Palin seriously, her last pearl? On her visit to Hawaii she said she felt uncomfortable surrounded by so many asians and natives... Another funny quotes:
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan."
This one is my favorite one:
"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out."
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Fantastic point. You have to actually do something to unlock the sexual content in the game, it won't even show up otherwise. And yet when watching a movie, the only option would be to leave the room or fast forward to avoid seeing sexual content. Yep, this group made a lot of sense targeting the game with the optional content instead of the tons of movies with more explicit content. (/sarcasm)
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
In fairness, then, you don't get to tell people what is deviant or not. I'm sure the gay and lesbian couples out there, who have never said an ill word toward you and most likely don't know you exist, wouldn't appreciate you labeling the times they spend together as "deviant".
Not that they need me to stand up for them, mind you. But what's fair is fair. If you don't want people labeling stuff for you, then you don't get to label it for them.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Fantastic point. You have to actually do something to unlock the sexual content in the game, it won't even show up otherwise. And yet when watching a movie, the only option would be to leave the room or fast forward to avoid seeing sexual content. Yep, this group made a lot of sense targeting the game with the optional content instead of the tons of movies with more explicit content. (/sarcasm)
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia.
However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
Anyone create a full nudity patch for Dragon Age yet?
I don't see a reason to make a mountain out of a mole hill. They did it tastefully in my opinion, and that makes all the difference. The fact you can play your character as a homosexual shouldn't be considered derogatory. Grand Theft Auto, you can play a homicidal maniac. God of War I, II, III had sex mini games that were far more graphic. Dragon Age is PG in my opinion compared to those two games, and it still has an M rating.
Correction: In GTA, you MUST play a homicidal maniac, the entire character has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
In Dragon Age Origins, you can be a savior of all the races, end racism, stop slavery and be a do gooder that if it all were real, would have you rolling Nobel Peace prices, and on the side, have gay sex...
Oh yeah, that is bad. Go shoot some hookers instead, that is proper behavior for an upstanding american.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
i am offended by this thread why hasnt the moderator done anything about it it offends me, how come when i say something s..ks i get a warning but these guys are offending me left and right do something mister moderator.
Yeah, moderation on this forum is very sketchy. I made a post that was a little confrontational and got a warning for trolling or flaming or something. The exchanges on this thread seem far worse than my infraction.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
Again it's not porn and it's not hidden. As you can see in the cover
There is sexual content and you can read it the specific content on the cover. Now if you buy the game without reading the cover is your fault not theirs. Either way the game does not force you to do the sex scenes if you don't want to. To see that sex scenes you have to search for it. Nobody hides anything for your, is an option that the game gives you, again if you want.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
You bring up an important point.
The typical person who attacks games that are mature, have no clue what games really are. They still think ALL videogames are little more than Super Mario Bros and are thus aimed at the same audience as SMB.
Personally, partial blame rests once again, on the marketing departments (gawd I hate marketing departments!), although of late, the marketing of games rated mature has become much more responsibly handled (imo).
The resistance to M rated games will persist until the gamer generation are the ones running the country (and it will happen soon).
Should controversial content be in games? Hell yes... with the caviate that it's marketed responsibly of course.
Games are an art form (no matter what Roger Ebert says) and a vehicle of communication every bit as powerful (I'd actually say moreso) as film.
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
Your definition is completely wrong because if I choose your definition there is no difference between erotic and pornographic. A girl with a wet t-shirt can "cause sexual excitement", that doesn't make the scene pornographic.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
Well, you can argue that the "L Word" doesn't hide it (on sale 10 feet from the game), but what about the last season of House? There is some lesbian sex in there, but it's not written on the box.
Should plot-driven games have to post a complete list of possibly morally objectionable points on the box so people know? It's not like they snuck it in there, and if gay, lesbian or any other sex offends you in a video game... try not clicking on the "want to go to my tent" button.
There is nothing in there that requires, encourages or even forces someone to experience that content save the achievement system
The point is, certain groups have picked video games as the new evil and relentlessly chase down any indiscretion, while ridiculously looking away from the same content in more traditional mediums. It's a lack of education and fear of the medium.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Well seeing as you are incapable of distinguishing between sex and sex in popular media then whats the point in discussing this? If you feel sex is "part of human society" then please go ahead, make a movie of you and your gf having sex and release it to the public.
I wasn't even talking about the game at that point, I was talking about discussing sex. I was not even talking about you either, touchy much?
Here's the thing. Sex being depicted shouldn't be a problem, biggest reason is you have the option to avoid it. People that don't want to see it, have the option to ignore it completely. You chose to make a deal out of it, which makes you no different then the writer. If you don't like sex in games, go play a game without it. People that do, will. Accept and move on.
As for the sex tape you suggested. Only if I can sell it at 18$ a dvd.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point.
The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games.
When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Why not mix it with fantasy RPG?
There is sex on legends, myths and almost all human artistic creations.
Most of time it is there because it is related to the base of social relationships and desires.
If you want to avoid any creation related to sex, desire and human body you will avoid every Shakespeare's piece , Greek Mythology, most or art from Romantism,Classicism and Expressionism, movies from directors like David Lynch, Cronenberg, Tinto Brass, most of fictional creations related to horror etc
The idea that sex is "there" only to get more money is sometimes just an illusion.
Everything that is related to human will have sex on it, implicit or explicit.
Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.
So, in the end, the issue is not "sex on media, art and entertainment" but the lack of artistic knowledge, moral aspects and judgmental behavior most of repressed people has. And this kind of repressed behavior will always contribuit to the real sex industry not sexuality depicted as an human and expressive characterist.
I can use "you" as an example (based on your words). "You" (as the moralist one) Don´t want to see sex in a natural way depicted in games, books and movies, you want sex to be secretive or confined to "traditional pornography". What you expressed is the pure example of repression.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
The cover says "sexual content" it's more than enough. You don't read it before buying it, your fault, blame yourself
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
You have been warned. What difference is it to you if it's gay sex or not? It's in game and it's up to you as the player to pursue it. It's my understanding that if you don't wish to see gay sex, you won't.
Ripping the heart out of the stomach is ok. Making love with someone is not...
oh human society... how I ... really don't understand it.
FYI: I slept with the witch :P
It's so funny that a no sexual scene with a frontal nudity receives the highest rating possible but a serial killer chopping heads off could received a lower rating.
Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)... The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products. If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
Yamota, I don't care. Seriously. The game says lists on the ESRB warning on the freaking cover it has SEXUAL CONTENT. If a person is so stupid that they can't figure out that could be any type of sexual content between 2 consenting adults, then that's their fault for not waking up and joining the 21st century.
Doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it. But get the hell over trying to condemn it (it's not hurting you or forcing you to do anything, period) and trying to make like Bioware deceived anyone. They didn't. Pure and simple. Bioware is not in charge of thinking for you. You are.
The average customer better learn to read the cover of the game, see SEXUAL CONTENT, put the game back and go do some freaking research on the internet as to what type of content it is if they fear they'll see something that hurts their sensibilities.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
Just a point of curiosity do you believe any sex or romance is pornography even if it is part of a story and there to make the viewer/reader more invested in the characters and story?
Does that mean for a story not to have PORN by your definition that all charters must behave as if they have no sexual organs or the slightest intrest in the opposite sex.
A point here, females are often sexually aroused by word play and flirtation more than images. For there to be no PORN the characters would have to be sexually neutered, so as to not accidentally arouse people with flirting.
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Im pretty sure if you didnt want to see this sex you can choose not to by choosing different options in the conversations in the game. Who cares about sex in games when you can get on the internet and see porn at almost every missclick.
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Something I left out of the article, but perhaps will bring it back around (this is not about liberals vs. conservatives!)...
The absolute and hilarious irony is that this is a group that applies pressure to retail outlets and consumers to get them to pull/not buy products.
If they run a campaign against Dragon Age they're doing it because there is optional gay sex with clothes on in a video game rated M and locked behind a glass wall. Simultaneously, there are dozens of movies and TV shows about 10 feet away in every Wal-Mart on Earth that are not locked in cupboard, that show much worse, much more and if you throw them in the DVD player it very much isn't optional.
But to the larger point. The article is about this kind of content in games. Good or bad? Not about Republics and Democrats. It just so happens that the fire starter for this piece was a conservative website. I'm Canadian, I truly don't have a Republican or Democratic agenda
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.
Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol).
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning! Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to when we can watch 2 males spoon in a video game. We are all doomed I tell you! Repent now!
Yes, spoony love. How dreadful it tis.
I seriously don't have an issue with people who have a set of values, morals, whatever you want to call it, and they live by them. Especially if those values don't infringe or try to dictate how others live.
It's when people like this get up on their soapboxes, virtual or on the street corner, is when I get upset. I don't go around spouting of my values and morals. I keep them to myself. I expect the same in return. If I ask you for yours, by all means, talk to my ears bleed. If I don't, then STFU.
Yeah, kinda like spewing liberal drivel on a gaming website. How oppressive.
Well, if you want to make an assumption on my political affiliations based on that little information, then I'll make one on your 53 years of age and being from Iowa. Vote for Palin again and see where it gets ya!
Wasnt just you i was referring too but considering how well Obama has worked out anyone including Palin might bring some of the "hope" your grasping for.
Not a chance in hell. The day she's elected is the day I move to Canada or England.
That's one thing I never understood about you guys. You want "everyone else" to shut up and let your guy finish their terms before they're judged yet hell has a chance of freezing over before you'll extend that same courtesy should your guy lose office. You want patience when your guy is in, and immediate results (with zero positive aid from your side) when the other guy is in.
I mean, seriously, there is no way you can compare the whiny droning of Al Franken, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow (all who annoy me but I give Keith slack because of his stint on ESPN) to the hate speech of Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Well, unless you are in lock-step with the latter in which case there is no point in discussing it.
As for "hope", I have none for this country as long as Rush, Bill, Shawn and Ann are on the television and/or radio and people still vote for a Palin. When a certain generation dies out and the "old ways" are gone and it's left to these young kids who exhibit a ton more tolerance than those in power right now...then, only then, might I have some hope.
I'm 32 now and I'm talking when/if I make it to 72 and above.
Nobody can take Palin seriously, her last pearl? On her visit to Hawaii she said she felt uncomfortable surrounded by so many asians and natives... Another funny quotes:
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan."
This one is my favorite one:
"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out."
Flash news, that Department does not exist.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
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Fantastic point. You have to actually do something to unlock the sexual content in the game, it won't even show up otherwise. And yet when watching a movie, the only option would be to leave the room or fast forward to avoid seeing sexual content. Yep, this group made a lot of sense targeting the game with the optional content instead of the tons of movies with more explicit content. (/sarcasm)
My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
In fairness, then, you don't get to tell people what is deviant or not. I'm sure the gay and lesbian couples out there, who have never said an ill word toward you and most likely don't know you exist, wouldn't appreciate you labeling the times they spend together as "deviant".
Not that they need me to stand up for them, mind you. But what's fair is fair. If you don't want people labeling stuff for you, then you don't get to label it for them.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Fantastic point. You have to actually do something to unlock the sexual content in the game, it won't even show up otherwise. And yet when watching a movie, the only option would be to leave the room or fast forward to avoid seeing sexual content. Yep, this group made a lot of sense targeting the game with the optional content instead of the tons of movies with more explicit content. (/sarcasm)
Yes, because hiding something makes it worse.
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My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia.
However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
Correction: In GTA, you MUST play a homicidal maniac, the entire character has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
In Dragon Age Origins, you can be a savior of all the races, end racism, stop slavery and be a do gooder that if it all were real, would have you rolling Nobel Peace prices, and on the side, have gay sex...
Oh yeah, that is bad. Go shoot some hookers instead, that is proper behavior for an upstanding american.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
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Yeah, moderation on this forum is very sketchy. I made a post that was a little confrontational and got a warning for trolling or flaming or something. The exchanges on this thread seem far worse than my infraction.
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Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
Again it's not porn and it's not hidden. As you can see in the cover
http://www.covershut.com/covers/Dragon-Age-Origins-Front-Cover-20372.jpg
There is sexual content and you can read it the specific content on the cover. Now if you buy the game without reading the cover is your fault not theirs. Either way the game does not force you to do the sex scenes if you don't want to. To see that sex scenes you have to search for it. Nobody hides anything for your, is an option that the game gives you, again if you want.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
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You bring up an important point.
The typical person who attacks games that are mature, have no clue what games really are. They still think ALL videogames are little more than Super Mario Bros and are thus aimed at the same audience as SMB.
Personally, partial blame rests once again, on the marketing departments (gawd I hate marketing departments!), although of late, the marketing of games rated mature has become much more responsibly handled (imo).
The resistance to M rated games will persist until the gamer generation are the ones running the country (and it will happen soon).
Should controversial content be in games? Hell yes... with the caviate that it's marketed responsibly of course.
Games are an art form (no matter what Roger Ebert says) and a vehicle of communication every bit as powerful (I'd actually say moreso) as film.
My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
Your definition is completely wrong because if I choose your definition there is no difference between erotic and pornographic. A girl with a wet t-shirt can "cause sexual excitement", that doesn't make the scene pornographic.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
Well, you can argue that the "L Word" doesn't hide it (on sale 10 feet from the game), but what about the last season of House? There is some lesbian sex in there, but it's not written on the box.
Should plot-driven games have to post a complete list of possibly morally objectionable points on the box so people know? It's not like they snuck it in there, and if gay, lesbian or any other sex offends you in a video game... try not clicking on the "want to go to my tent" button.
There is nothing in there that requires, encourages or even forces someone to experience that content save the achievement system
The point is, certain groups have picked video games as the new evil and relentlessly chase down any indiscretion, while ridiculously looking away from the same content in more traditional mediums. It's a lack of education and fear of the medium.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
I wasn't even talking about the game at that point, I was talking about discussing sex. I was not even talking about you either, touchy much?
Here's the thing. Sex being depicted shouldn't be a problem, biggest reason is you have the option to avoid it. People that don't want to see it, have the option to ignore it completely. You chose to make a deal out of it, which makes you no different then the writer. If you don't like sex in games, go play a game without it. People that do, will. Accept and move on.
As for the sex tape you suggested. Only if I can sell it at 18$ a dvd.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point.
The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games.
When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Why not mix it with fantasy RPG?
There is sex on legends, myths and almost all human artistic creations.
Most of time it is there because it is related to the base of social relationships and desires.
If you want to avoid any creation related to sex, desire and human body you will avoid every Shakespeare's piece , Greek Mythology, most or art from Romantism,Classicism and Expressionism, movies from directors like David Lynch, Cronenberg, Tinto Brass, most of fictional creations related to horror etc
The idea that sex is "there" only to get more money is sometimes just an illusion.
Everything that is related to human will have sex on it, implicit or explicit.
Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.
So, in the end, the issue is not "sex on media, art and entertainment" but the lack of artistic knowledge, moral aspects and judgmental behavior most of repressed people has. And this kind of repressed behavior will always contribuit to the real sex industry not sexuality depicted as an human and expressive characterist.
I can use "you" as an example (based on your words). "You" (as the moralist one) Don´t want to see sex in a natural way depicted in games, books and movies, you want sex to be secretive or confined to "traditional pornography". What you expressed is the pure example of repression.
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Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
The cover says "sexual content" it's more than enough. You don't read it before buying it, your fault, blame yourself
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
From the box...
" Rating: Mature
Content descriptors: Blood, Intense Violence, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Content "
You have been warned. What difference is it to you if it's gay sex or not? It's in game and it's up to you as the player to pursue it. It's my understanding that if you don't wish to see gay sex, you won't.
Ripping the heart out of the stomach is ok. Making love with someone is not...
oh human society... how I ... really don't understand it.
FYI: I slept with the witch :P
It's so funny that a no sexual scene with a frontal nudity receives the highest rating possible but a serial killer chopping heads off could received a lower rating.
Two wrongs, or several in this case, does not make one right (wrong in their point of view, not universally wrong)
I am sure there are far worse depictions of sex in media but that does not make this particular depiction ok (for them).
One thing that made this one stand out is that when I heard about this game I had no clue it had sex in it, gay or otherwise. So it is disguised and hidden, which makes it worse imo than a hardcore porn video that everyone can see from 10 miles away what it is.
No, you just didn't really follow the game. Bioware made it clear you could have such an encounter, with multiple npcs in fact. It's a case of you not reading much on the topic, for sure. It certainly wasn't disguised or hidden. That said, They don't owe anyone an explanation of the exact nature of the sex (as long as it's between 2 consenting adults). And they certainly built into the dialogue system choices so that you don't have to encounter any of it. I distinctly remember telling Zevran that I don't fly that way and that was the last it was ever mentioned or hinted at.
Please tell me where on the box it says that the game has gay sex in it. Do you really think an average customer spends hours reading about what the devs had said about a game before buying it?
Yamota, I don't care. Seriously. The game says lists on the ESRB warning on the freaking cover it has SEXUAL CONTENT. If a person is so stupid that they can't figure out that could be any type of sexual content between 2 consenting adults, then that's their fault for not waking up and joining the 21st century.
Doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it. But get the hell over trying to condemn it (it's not hurting you or forcing you to do anything, period) and trying to make like Bioware deceived anyone. They didn't. Pure and simple. Bioware is not in charge of thinking for you. You are.
The average customer better learn to read the cover of the game, see SEXUAL CONTENT, put the game back and go do some freaking research on the internet as to what type of content it is if they fear they'll see something that hurts their sensibilities.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
For being considered porn should have explicit nudity and that's not the case. From the dictionary: "when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction of the act, rather than the act itself. Thus, portrayals such as sex shows and striptease are not classified as pornography."
I can call porn Tomb Raider if I want to but my personal opinion doesn't change the meaning of the world.
Thats a very narrow and incorrect definition of pornopgraphy. From Merriam Webster Online dictionary (one of the largest online dictionaries)
The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.
Does not need to have nudity of any sort but only have the intent to cause sexual excitement. One may argue that is not the intent but two, young lesbians rolling around in the ground, kissing each other I think would be sexually arousing for most straight males.
Just a point of curiosity do you believe any sex or romance is pornography even if it is part of a story and there to make the viewer/reader more invested in the characters and story?
Does that mean for a story not to have PORN by your definition that all charters must behave as if they have no sexual organs or the slightest intrest in the opposite sex.
A point here, females are often sexually aroused by word play and flirtation more than images. For there to be no PORN the characters would have to be sexually neutered, so as to not accidentally arouse people with flirting.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
Im pretty sure if you didnt want to see this sex you can choose not to by choosing different options in the conversations in the game. Who cares about sex in games when you can get on the internet and see porn at almost every missclick.