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Exactly. All the end-game content relies on a large playerbase. That isn't going to happen with a game that is as impenetrable as it is buggy. The first hour of MO should suck you in with the huge number of possibilities to explore, not leave you standing in the middle of the town thinking "what the hell am I supposed to be doing?".
Eve's first hour of gameplay left me excitedly considering all the options I had open to me, Mortal Online just left me confused and wishing I could just play the game and have fun without spending hours trying to work out how.
You don't address the issue here that you are playing the beta... At release housing and sieging will be big end game factors, Tindrem arena will be big endgame factor, in game events and the uniq item chases.
A lot of the 'features' are community related projects what will keep the game going a lot. Even in the start, we have such great community projects ready around in MO community.
You can burn me, but i wont die.
No need to tell me about these features of MO,i've been participated in Community events.
With all these things it's just too weak.
Take a look at this game's features:
http://www.xsyon.com/features
This is something that i was expecting from MO at the lunch.A wide variety of features.
I'm still a big fan of MO.But! "Unfortunately" i'm an adult with family and life to take care of.
When i have time to play i have to make sure i pick the most entertaining game for my spare time.
MO is an entertaining game no doubt.But nowadays the market is full of games.And there are companies makin' masterpieces.
Nothing against indie , they have the originality and the capability to create something "new".
But those big sharks are pumping out real heavy hitter games.Think out of MMO , or RPG.
I grew up with games.Grafics and sounds are same important for me as the basic idea of a game.
Cause i have eyes and ears
MO for me it's just too "wack".People running around like they've craped in their own pants.Everyone has the same type of clothes.Every horse look the same.Weapons are "low creativity" too.Big empty spaces inbetween towns.Pvp is ridiculous,ppl are waving with bone sticks and runing like hell up and down.Pvp= Wave Wave HIT / now come some crappy sound effect....
The whole thing is'nt smooth enough to worth the same amount of money as a game made by famous modellers,and famous sound artists. I've got the DvD with a nice lookin' cover, and inside no manual,place for 2 dvd's there is only one there anyway.I don't even want to mention (but yes i do) .. what about the release date that they've promissed when i payed for the game.Was it just a fat lie?! yes
... at this point i lost my trust in SV.
Why is there the hate ?! cause ppl are more than just unsatisfied for their money. If u never payed for the game u have no reason to hate it
)) just pass by
( If i order a red cotton Tshirt from an internetshop,cause i like the picture but mostly what they say about it. 6 months later when i get the Thirt ,it's not the same color,cause it's blue,it's not the same size,not even made of cotton and it's has some holes in it. Do i have the right to feel bad about it ?!
Good post, spot on!
With all the lag issues from normal play.. do you REALLY think sieging with any kind of large force is going to be possible? Can you imagine what the lag would be like with 100-200 people in the same tight area? All casting spells, riding mounts, leaving graves... I just don't see sieging as being even a remote possibility for a long, long time.
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Viral marketers trying to kill public opinion for a competitive product.
To see who is behind this, ask yourself who has the most to lose if MO succeeds. Its not all that hard to figure out.
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One man, a small pile of money, and the screwball idea of a DIY Indie MMORPG? Yep, that's him. ~sigh~
With all the lag issues from normal play.. do you REALLY think sieging with any kind of large force is going to be possible? Can you imagine what the lag would be like with 100-200 people in the same tight area? All casting spells, riding mounts, leaving graves... I just don't see sieging as being even a remote possibility for a long, long time.
Of course! Didn't you know that the issue here is the database lag, currently it can't keep track of all players skill improvements and at the same time capping them while players change the direction of the stat gain / loss. It's simple issue which will be fixed before launch.
And I also don't know about the scale yet how big the battles will be, but definitely they will be possible at some point. It took time with DFO as well, but we don't know thats the word.
Also, you must remember that devs plan huge events which will put most of the playerbase to the same area, I think that they have gave a though about that as well.
You can burn me, but i wont die.
Think of the exact opposite as well -- people trying to bolster public opinion for similar reasons.
Honestly with the vast majority of complaints that you need look no further than MO's own bug tracker, do you really think that the viral marketers are trying to kill public opinion of MO? I think it's happening quite well on its own. It was after all, Henrik who bashed Darkfall first, while the DF devs wished them good luck in their endeavor.
Not that hard to figure out at all.
Of course! Didn't you know that the issue here is the database lag, currently it can't keep track of all players skill improvements and at the same time capping them while players change the direction of the stat gain / loss. It's simple issue which will be fixed before launch.
And I also don't know about the scale yet how big the battles will be, but definitely they will be possible at some point. It took time with DFO as well, but we don't know thats the word.
Also, you must remember that devs plan huge events which will put most of the playerbase to the same area, I think that they have gave a though about that as well.
A simple issue ehh?
Somehow... it doesn't seem so simple to me... guess we will see. I still stand by my statement that you will not see 100-200 person sieges for a very... long time.. most likely never. This is due to the lag issue. feel free to prove me wrong when it happens.
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Yep,
All you need to do is look at their history and see that they have pages full of posts doing nothing but bashing on MO.
Shills.
So I was an idiot, got too excited, got the game way too early and paid the price, literally.
The bold, italics and underlined. I have never been able to get into the game. Downloaded the beta, as I was in Block A, and could NEVER get in. Used every work around, for days, seriously. Never got it to work, I tried everything, after that I got a refund and haven't touched it since.
That is probably a big reason why a lot of people hate it.
Yep,
All you need to do is look at their history and see that they have pages full of posts doing nothing but bashing on MO.
Shills.
Sure, keep telling yourself that if it makes you fell better.
MO does a pretty good job of killing its own public opinion...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
NOT when you also provide the unfiltered data and as I stated (and you will see if you READ the thread) we asked many times for a single person to explain a 10 rating... and yours was the first to do so. I totally disagree that any or all of those reasons you listed would make the beta a 10 (the ultimate) but as it's an opinion poll you are entitled to your own based on any reasoning you like. Even if you ignore the second part, the numbers speak for themselves. The overwhelming majority of people had a very, very bad experience with the MO beta. THIS is why there are so many posts about how bad the game is. It is not 2 or 3 people.. over 75% of the people polled rated it as a 5 or lower. Some of those that rated it higher originally later posted revision messages recanting their vote after actually playing the game for a bit. The average grade inclusive of the 10s, was still in the 30's. Again, the numbers speak for themselves and pretty much mirror the senitent reflected in the postings on this forum. No one can say that you personally cannot think this is the greatest game ever seen, but similarly no one should be suprised when the majority of posts on the forum are negative... since the majority of the people here have stated they had a negative experience with the game...
So, will the Angarato impersonator ( http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/271637/best-guild-Myrmidon-is-leaving-mortal-online-for-xsyon.html ) and davmac22 promoting Xsyon convince you that some of the "1" votes for MO are no more legitimate than the "10" votes that you think are all viral marketing ?
Xsyon supposedly releases in 6 weeks, is available for preorder now, has no ingame footage available and if anything is MORE ambitious than MO (deformable terrain). If davmac22 can be such a critic of MO at this point, is there any justification for how much he is promoting Xsyon?
NOT when you also provide the unfiltered data and as I stated (and you will see if you READ the thread) we asked many times for a single person to explain a 10 rating... and yours was the first to do so. I totally disagree that any or all of those reasons you listed would make the beta a 10 (the ultimate) but as it's an opinion poll you are entitled to your own based on any reasoning you like. Even if you ignore the second part, the numbers speak for themselves. The overwhelming majority of people had a very, very bad experience with the MO beta. THIS is why there are so many posts about how bad the game is. It is not 2 or 3 people.. over 75% of the people polled rated it as a 5 or lower. Some of those that rated it higher originally later posted revision messages recanting their vote after actually playing the game for a bit. The average grade inclusive of the 10s, was still in the 30's. Again, the numbers speak for themselves and pretty much mirror the senitent reflected in the postings on this forum. No one can say that you personally cannot think this is the greatest game ever seen, but similarly no one should be suprised when the majority of posts on the forum are negative... since the majority of the people here have stated they had a negative experience with the game...
So, will the Angarato impersonator ( http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/271637/best-guild-Myrmidon-is-leaving-mortal-online-for-xsyon.html ) and davmac22 promoting Xsyon convince you that some of the "1" votes for MO are no more legitimate than the "10" votes that you think are all viral marketing ?
Xsyon supposedly releases in 6 weeks, is available for preorder now, has no ingame footage available and if anything is MORE ambitious than MO (deformable terrain). If davmac22 can be such a critic of MO at this point, is there any justification for how much he is promoting Xsyon?
I think Xyson is a scam, personally.
And just because there are a handful of trolls doesn't mean that the poll is inaccurate. It's an online poll anyway, it's not really meant to judge total "accuracy" but at the same time if you want a general feeling on a broad MMO site, that's probably about right. It's running a 3 out of 10 right now, and my guess when it's fully "released" that the major publications will rip it to shreds. It takes a certain type of gamer to enjoy the tooth pulling experience that MO provides.
My objection was not to the poll itself, it was to slapshot discounting all the 10's as viral marketing, while presuming all the 1's were valid. Either all of both should be included (3.7), or both should be excluded (4.6). Excluding all the 10s and including all the 1s (3.3) ends up being a biased exclusion criteria. 3.7 or 4.6 is still not very good and indicates that many people find MO is not up to their expectations at this point, but there is no need to make the situation seem even worse than it is.
P.S. since the thread with angarata has been deleted, here is the duplicate thread. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/271638/myrmidon-has-found-a-new-home-at-xsyon.html
Basically, angarata was saying that angarato's entire guild (myrmidon) was leaving MO to go to xsyon. There is no mention of this on Myrmidon's website, the Xsyon guild list, or the MO forums. "therealangarato" posted that this is the second time in one month that someone has posted on mmorpg impersonating him.
So, will the Angarato impersonator ( http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/271637/best-guild-Myrmidon-is-leaving-mortal-online-for-xsyon.html ) and davmac22 promoting Xsyon convince you that some of the "1" votes for MO are no more legitimate than the "10" votes that you think are all viral marketing ?
Xsyon supposedly releases in 6 weeks, is available for preorder now, has no ingame footage available and if anything is MORE ambitious than MO (deformable terrain). If davmac22 can be such a critic of MO at this point, is there any justification for how much he is promoting Xsyon?
Hey.. feel free to play with the numbers anyway you like... exclude anyone you like. There is NO WAY to make these numbers look good unless you just decide to delete everyone that didn't vote 1-6....
But to make it easier for you.. here I have extracted all the 10s and the 1s (although there were 256 1s as opposed to 56 10s..):
Originally 718 votes... minus 10s and 1s = 406 votes
71.86% rated it between a 2 and a 5...
15.75% rated it a 7, 8 or 9
The average score (again.. without ANY of the 256 1s or 56 10s).. is a whopping 45.8%
Like I said... the numbers speak for themselves. Even excluding the entire 35.7% of people that voted it as a 1....
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Why would you object when I ALSO gave the numbers inclusive of the 10s... Seems to really be scratching the bottom of the barrel but as I posted above.. I excluded the 1s AND the 10s for you... still has a grade way below failing. As I said.. there is NO WAY to make these numbers look good...
But again.. the question was asked "Why all the HATE"... the poll explains why. The vast majority of people on this forum think poorly of Mortal Online. The reason there is an overwhelming majority of negative posts is because an overwhelming majority of the people who read this forum dislike the game...
As for Angrato or whatever... 99.999% of the people (myself included) have no idea who he is... nor care. It seems likely from reading your description that someone doesn't like him.. or his guild. Most likely someone or someones from a rival guild... but, I honestly couldn't care less if he or his guild were playing MO, UO or WoW...
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I would suggest the "haters" are in that mind frame because they feel they have been ripped off and taken advantage of.
The "lovers" either do so because they hope it will get better in some future time, or are loyal to starvault and just don't look at the game objectively.
I was part of that second category for a long time, until the crystal cracked. Now when I look at MO, it's no longer a case of the glass being 10% full, it's a case of the glass being 90% empty.
I dont hate Mortal Online i just have 0 tolerance for any kind of lags, fps or net lags.
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I objected to your assumption that all the 10's are fake, and all the 1's are real. Fake voters can work both ways. I have acknowledged that the average score is only 3.6 (all votes included) or 4.6 (all 1's and 10's excluded).
When I referred to your take on the poll as "all the hate" I meant the assumption that anyone who says they like it must be lying. The average opinion may be poor, but some people are enjoying it.
As for angarato or whatever... my point is that if someone is willing to impersonate him to post that his whole guild is leaving MO for xsyon, such a person is certainly willing to vote 1 without setting eyes on the game and stuff the ballot box from dummy accounts.
I objected to your assumption that all the 10's are fake, and all the 1's are real. Fake voters can work both ways. I have acknowledged that the average score is only 3.6 (all votes included) or 4.6 (all 1's and 10's excluded).
When I referred to your take on the poll as "all the hate" I meant the assumption that anyone who says they like it must be lying. The average opinion may be poor, but some people are enjoying it.
As for angarato or whatever... my point is that if someone is willing to impersonate him to post that his whole guild is leaving MO for xsyon, such a person is certainly willing to vote 1 without setting eyes on the game and stuff the ballot box from dummy accounts.
I didn't assume that all the 10's were fake. I presented the data WITH the 10's and without them. If I had only presented it one way you might have a case, but to keep clinging to this flimsy argument is silly when I 1st showed the numbers unfiltered and then showed them a second way.. with an explanation of what I did and why i did them. No sneaky number manipulation. I still find it impossible to believe that anyone could think that this beta was a 10 with all of the download, instealler, patcher, databae, skills, lag, content issues and I am allowed to have that opinion. Unlike others, I presented BOTH sides of the issue. I showed the numbers both ways, which is more than I can say for most folks. Sorry, but having an opinion (AND showing both sets of numbers) is in no way and example of "all the hate".
So are you still arguing tangentals or are you agreeing with me that the reason there are so many negative posts is because the vast majority of the people on this forum have a negative opinion about the game? That was the point of the post.. to refute the OPs suggestion that it was 2-3 people who were posting everything negative about the game when in fact the number of negative posts is reflective of the proportion of people who feel nagative about the game...
As for the guild issue.. sure SOME people may have done so... but its most likely someone in a rival guild trying to stir up trouble with them. As i said.. 99.999% of us have no idea who the guy is... nor care.
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Slapshot1188:
Updated stats: 636 votes 55% voted a 3 or lower 77% votes a 5 or under 16% gave it a passing grade of 7 or higher Average score is a 37%
If we filter out the 10s (which everyone seems to agree are viral marketers):
586 votes 9% gave it a passing grade of 7 or higher... Average score is a 32.6%... I think those numbers speak for themselves....
Right.. as in.. showing the numbers BOTH ways. Sorry if that's objectionable to you, but since I showed the full vote count this continues to be a silly argument. Please feel free to go and actually read the thread you are quoting.. and read the prior messages which will put the quote in it's proper perspective. There were multiple attempts to have someone that voted a 10 explain reasons why. Not a single person responded. It may pain you that many of us discount people who voted as a 10 as viral marketers, but that's OUR opinion and we are certainly entitled to it... particularly when I go out of my way to post the full data in every post so everyone can make their own informed decision about it's validity. if you would like to continue this discussion maybe it would be be moved to the thread in which you are quoting.... for THIS discussion:
Please answer the SECOND part of my post above.. the important part. Which I will requote below:
So are you still arguing tangentals or are you agreeing with me that the reason there are so many negative posts is because the vast majority of the people on this forum have a negative opinion about the game? That was the point of the post.. to refute the OPs suggestion that it was 2-3 people who were posting everything negative about the game when in fact the number of negative posts is reflective of the proportion of people who feel negative about the game...
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Right.. as in.. showing the numbers BOTH ways. Sorry if that's objectionable to you, but since I showed the full vote count this continues to be a silly argument.
Please answer the SECOND part of my post above.. the important part. Which I will requote below:
So are you still arguing tangentals or are you agreeing with me that the reason there are so many negative posts is because the vast majority of the people on this forum have a negative opinion about the game? That was the point of the post.. to refute the OPs suggestion that it was 2-3 people who were posting everything negative about the game when in fact the number of negative posts is reflective of the proportion of people who feel negative about the game...
Well the voters do have a point though, the game is well, ill let the votes speak for them selves, and yes ive given it quite abit of testing
List of SOE lies
Exactly my point and the point of my original post in this discussion. The answer to the OP is simply to look at the overwhelmingly negative vote tallies for an answer to his question. The reason for the overwhelming number of negative responses here is because the vast majority of folks reading this forum have a negative opinion of Mortal Online.
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018