I too played EQ and EQ had a fraction of the player base WoW has, and in those early days, the adversities of the game (no ingame maps, very tough death penalties, nekkid corpse runs, etc.) fostered a close community. You NEEDED other players, and they needed you, and total strangers would rush to help get your body back for you, because it could be them in the shitter next time. Most MMOs these days have very little in the way of harsh death penalties, which is sadly what players seem to want, so the need for buddies to help you out is just about gone.
Fun though it is to look back with those good old rose-tinted specs, there's no way you or I knew more than a handful of players really well in EQ and we might have known the character names of maybe a dozen more. In MMO terms, EQ was the equivalent of a small village where you knew most people by sight and could socialize with just about anyone, whereas WoW is a major city crammed with so many players you'll probably never bump into the same player twice unless you make the specific effort to do so.
With so much anonymity in games these days, changing a character's name or even gender is of little importance.
The funny part is, although EQ had a MUCH smaller player base, I was much closer to a larger population of players in EQ than I ever have been in WoW. Guilds in EQ were enormous compared to most these days and even then, most people had good friends inside other guilds. I think the main difference is, we had to spend much more time working together as a team to accomplish goals in EQ so people naturally got to know more about each other. When I was raiding in WoW, many of our players would only log on right before the raid, raid for about an hour, then log off again.
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
It's exactly as the above poster stated, those features have been in high demand for years now and adding them is not damning to game, okay maybe in RP servers but who cares about them.
SACRILEGE!
Burn him at the stake!
On a more serious note:
Of all the things that DO bother me about WoW "features" and mechanics....these are probably the lowest on the list. Honestly, I seriously doubt many people are using them on a frequent basis. These changes to race, name, and/or server....cost 25 USD a pop. I doubt many people are spending 25-75 extra dollars a week (or even a month) fiddling with this stuff. Oh...and you cannot change classes. I don't remember if you said that or not...but you can't. You can change gender, name, or server location....pretty much just like in real life, actually. Although in RL you COULD also change jobs (classes)...surely they don't have any intention of adding that too? *ponders the thought* ....naaah....
Can't change classes yet.
Oh, you can change servers IRL? Can I go into an alternate universe IRL? Right
Yeah, and you can change jobs IRL, but you don't start out at max level.
Change class, level 1.
Classes should be a skill that can be advanced instead of being tied to a character.
Okay, I have to respond now. I'm not even going to bash EQ since that is the OP's MMO Jesus.
1) I have several RL friends. Many of whom play WoW, but we didn't all get together one day and say, "Lets all join the same server"- So, now we all gravitate to the server the most of us are on- they brought the characters that they had already built- we are creating a more "persistent and fun world" by bringing people that we like to that world.
2) I don't start my jobs at level 1. I have a resume with all kinds of experience and know how on it, so I get to be hired on for more money and better positions than the entry level people. (Does this count as a server change in RL?) For that matter, if I changed careers all together, I would still start at a higher rate and position than an 18 year old simply because I have lots of experience in management, that doesn't go away simply because I decide to be a fry cook one day.
3) Who cares if you change race, name, or gender? Its not like I won't know that you're a douche-bag who belongs on my ignore list when you start spamming obnoxious crap in trade chat.
4) If someone ninja loots a raid, then either the raid leader didn't have "master-looter" option set (and he fails and should transfer servers) or the raid leader ninja looted and again, get him the fuck off my server
5) Why didn't you just name the thread "I Love EQ and Hate WoW!" it would have been more appropriate.
Nothing wrong with these paid services, only people with money to burn would use them indiscriminately anyway.
As far as servers seperating people what the game could use would be an evolution of it's current cross server tech but applied to groups that players can jump into from a x-server friend list, which isn't entirely unfeasible given the way the other x server tech has worked out so far.
Bad design. Trying again and again and again is not entertaining. Fixed in modern games. Look at GoW, Halo and all the modern games. Messing up is less of a hassle. Now see how big the market has expanded. Design evolves according to what people want.
I too played EQ and EQ had a fraction of the player base WoW has, and in those early days, the adversities of the game (no ingame maps, very tough death penalties, nekkid corpse runs, etc.) fostered a close community. You NEEDED other players, and they needed you, and total strangers would rush to help get your body back for you, because it could be them in the shitter next time. Most MMOs these days have very little in the way of harsh death penalties, which is sadly what players seem to want, so the need for buddies to help you out is just about gone.
Fun though it is to look back with those good old rose-tinted specs, there's no way you or I knew more than a handful of players really well in EQ and we might have known the character names of maybe a dozen more. In MMO terms, EQ was the equivalent of a small village where you knew most people by sight and could socialize with just about anyone, whereas WoW is a major city crammed with so many players you'll probably never bump into the same player twice unless you make the specific effort to do so.
With so much anonymity in games these days, changing a character's name or even gender is of little importance.
The funny part is, although EQ had a MUCH smaller player base, I was much closer to a larger population of players in EQ than I ever have been in WoW. Guilds in EQ were enormous compared to most these days and even then, most people had good friends inside other guilds. I think the main difference is, we had to spend much more time working together as a team to accomplish goals in EQ so people naturally got to know more about each other. When I was raiding in WoW, many of our players would only log on right before the raid, raid for about an hour, then log off again.
Yes, that's what I was referring to regarding the adversities of the game. Basically 'Adversity breeds Community'. You got to know a few players very well, and knew another dozen you could chat with regularly, but everyone helped each other in a crisis. Guilds were always large and very helpful. A plea for aid in zone chat would always get total strangers happily volunteering to help with those really tough corpse runs. Games of today have very little need for that kind of community, although to be fair, EQ could be so harsh that you'd lose a couple of hours play sorting out a really bad group wipe, and I think that was why some players headed to pastures new.
Chess is only a game but thats taken very seriously . :P
By a very few percentage of the population. Most people do NOT care.
I don't play Warcraft for the same reason I don't play naughts and crosses/tick tack toe . I grew out of it the second I realised there was no challenge to it any more .
Can you down the lich king in 25 hard mode? I doubt it. I think you are running from it because you know you can't deal with the hard modes. You are all talk and no action.
Fortunatly for Blizzard the human race will continue to procreate and there will be an influx of children who love easy and simplistic gameplay for years to come .
I wouldn't put a lot of credibility to a person who can't even get their fact straight. You do know that the average age of a WOW player is 28, do you?. Do you want me to post the link or is it too "challenging" for you to even find this simple information online?
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Good jebuz, it's people like the OP that gives us old school players & EQ a bad name. OP is the reason why people today bash the old school games, including those of us that would like to see some old school games remade.
These character services were popular in EQ long before WoW was released. People asked for it, and the companies delivered them. It's a game, lighten up.
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
LOL
Just.... LOL.
Oh, thank you for that. Made my day.
But that said, everything you said was completely irrelevant. The entire game is just a gear/retard check. If you want to believe it's anything more then that's your call.
But hell, I had fun with it for years. But the shallowness of WotLK was just too much for me.
But I'm sure there are plenty of people who still enjoy it and that's great. More power to them.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
LOL
Just.... LOL.
Oh, thank you for that. Made my day.
But that said, everything you said was completely irrelevant. The entire game is just a gear/retard check. If you want to believe it's anything more then that's your call.
But hell, I had fun with it for years. But the shallowness of WotLK was just too much for me.
But I'm sure there are plenty of people who still enjoy it and that's great. More power to them.
So you're saying you could start from scratch and overtake guilds like Paragon and Ensidia; in 3 weeks?
Yeah, right. Sure. that's cute. Feel free to prove this, or shut up.
MMOs are for everybody now and no longer exclusive to geeks who feel special getting pixelized items and achievements. Bragging about video game achievements in-game or IRL is just sad. Sad sad true story.
I want to see that fresh 80 3 week clear of WoW raid content too... Post your WoW character name so I can WoWarmory you and search your character history >>>(http://www.warcraftrealms.com/charhistory.php). Don't be afraid now :P
anything to make money- its what mmos companies are about now- taking the mickey out of it's customers asking them to form out a subscription fee and then further and further fees on top.
I have news for you. WOW is a GAME. Those are features that people want. Period.
those are features that people want?
then you probably missed wow private servers
-instaleveling
-1000* damage
-1000* rewards
-no need to play
-instateleportin
-instaepics
etc etc----
i have news for you.wow is a toy.Those are features that people want.Period.
How many people are on wow private servers? Ten of thousands? How many on REAL wow? 11.5M .... sure there are always people on the fringe who want non-main stream stuff.
But that said, everything you said was completely irrelevant. The entire game is just a gear/retard check. If you want to believe it's anything more then that's your call.
It's a 'gear/retard check' in the same way football is just a 'muscle/retard' check and NASCAR is a 'car/retard' check.
anything to make money- its what mmos companies are about now- taking the mickey out of it's customers asking them to form out a subscription fee and then further and further fees on top.
This.
WoW is a business. Subscription fees fuel the business so it keeps going. Other services are for the more excentric player who has the spare $$$ and doesn't mind spending more. You pay for what you want. You're not forced to pay for the other services. So stop forcing yourself.
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
LOL
Just.... LOL.
Oh, thank you for that. Made my day.
But that said, everything you said was completely irrelevant. The entire game is just a gear/retard check. If you want to believe it's anything more then that's your call.
But hell, I had fun with it for years. But the shallowness of WotLK was just too much for me.
But I'm sure there are plenty of people who still enjoy it and that's great. More power to them.
So you're saying you could start from scratch and overtake guilds like Paragon and Ensidia; in 3 weeks?
Yeah, right. Sure. that's cute. Feel free to prove this, or shut up.
He can't. His best argument is "LOL" .. which means he has none. I doubt even if he has the skills to clear lich king even in BIS gear. He is the kind that he only say things are easy to belittle others and he has NO ABILITY to do those things himself.
He probably could not even get into good guilds and hates the game because of that.
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
I think EQ's RP Server guilds were probably better than Paragon and Ensidia
Those guilds are nothing to the pre-expansion WoW guilds who were doing 40 man Naxx while 99% of WoW players were in diapers wiping in Molten Core.
I don't think you could have a more obvious statement for a topic. Well, to be more accurate, it would be more correct to simply say "Blizzard cheapens games for $$" given their new philosophy to taking the stupid stick to all of their franchises.
They took a 400 foot coaster and made it a 5 foot one.
Newbies should be content wiping in Molten Core. Who cares if they dont "experience the content" or whatever. If they gained some skills, they would be able to do the zones.
Most people in WoW are just lazy and bad. They don't want to adapt so they cry all day about the content being too hard.
Take 40 bad EQ players and they would clear out all of WoWs content.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
WoW raids aren't all that hard to learn considering there is no longer a penalty for dying in almost all of WoW raid zones.
Once you do have a strategy (which you term cheating, for some odd reason), then you just follow that script and you beat the game. Even with a bunch of bad players in your raid, you would still be capable of beating WoW.
What makes WoW even easier is all of the mods they have in the game. Raids are too automated anymore, they've made it into a low skill activity. Just download the right mods to be endgame material. As long as you look at your screen periodically(for raid messages telling you when things are about to occur, what to do, etc.) you can beat a WoW raid.
If you think an EQ raid was that easy, you just never played it. EQ raids didn't get easier as expansions got released, they got harder. In WoW after an expansion or content is released, the game just becomes easier and easier. Do you really think the 40 mans were easier than the current content? They removed them for a reason, even with mods most guilds couldn't do them.
EQ raids, you could have all the strategy you want, it didn't guarantee a win. Know how long people wiped to Rallos Zek encounters in EQ? Months.
EQ raids required everyone know what they were doing, and also for everyone to play at their best in order to beat a raid.
EQ raids were always at the level where anything less from anyone would result in a wipe.
Beating EQ raids was a rush, and with WoW you just don't have that because the fights are not even close..
Edit: Yeah....went back and looked at your join date. Now what you said makes more sense. Of course this could just be a sock account, but either way...you didn't understand me. No foul no harm.
My suspicion, on noting the OP's join date and the content of the majority of his/her threads is that s/he may simply be trying to stir up controversy over spring break out of sheer boredom. Engage in debate with caution.
"You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr
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The funny part is, although EQ had a MUCH smaller player base, I was much closer to a larger population of players in EQ than I ever have been in WoW. Guilds in EQ were enormous compared to most these days and even then, most people had good friends inside other guilds. I think the main difference is, we had to spend much more time working together as a team to accomplish goals in EQ so people naturally got to know more about each other. When I was raiding in WoW, many of our players would only log on right before the raid, raid for about an hour, then log off again.
You can indeed have both horde and alliance characters on the same PvP server. It was like that when I left in September of last year.
Cute. I suggest you try it and send a screeny when you down the 25h Lich King.
We all know EQ doesn't have any raiding guilds that would be on par with Paragon or Ensidia. The weren't back in vanilla, there aren't now. I'm sure you'll go on to tell us how you are better than all the best who play WoW now, you might even believe it yourself, you do strike me as somewhat delutional.
Okay, I have to respond now. I'm not even going to bash EQ since that is the OP's MMO Jesus.
1) I have several RL friends. Many of whom play WoW, but we didn't all get together one day and say, "Lets all join the same server"- So, now we all gravitate to the server the most of us are on- they brought the characters that they had already built- we are creating a more "persistent and fun world" by bringing people that we like to that world.
2) I don't start my jobs at level 1. I have a resume with all kinds of experience and know how on it, so I get to be hired on for more money and better positions than the entry level people. (Does this count as a server change in RL?) For that matter, if I changed careers all together, I would still start at a higher rate and position than an 18 year old simply because I have lots of experience in management, that doesn't go away simply because I decide to be a fry cook one day.
3) Who cares if you change race, name, or gender? Its not like I won't know that you're a douche-bag who belongs on my ignore list when you start spamming obnoxious crap in trade chat.
4) If someone ninja loots a raid, then either the raid leader didn't have "master-looter" option set (and he fails and should transfer servers) or the raid leader ninja looted and again, get him the fuck off my server
5) Why didn't you just name the thread "I Love EQ and Hate WoW!" it would have been more appropriate.
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
Nothing wrong with these paid services, only people with money to burn would use them indiscriminately anyway.
As far as servers seperating people what the game could use would be an evolution of it's current cross server tech but applied to groups that players can jump into from a x-server friend list, which isn't entirely unfeasible given the way the other x server tech has worked out so far.
I think games used to be challenging.
Mario 1, Mario 2.. NES games, SNES games
Mess up? Start over
Now you can't mess up, now you never start over.
Bad design. Trying again and again and again is not entertaining. Fixed in modern games. Look at GoW, Halo and all the modern games. Messing up is less of a hassle. Now see how big the market has expanded. Design evolves according to what people want.
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Yes, that's what I was referring to regarding the adversities of the game. Basically 'Adversity breeds Community'. You got to know a few players very well, and knew another dozen you could chat with regularly, but everyone helped each other in a crisis. Guilds were always large and very helpful. A plea for aid in zone chat would always get total strangers happily volunteering to help with those really tough corpse runs. Games of today have very little need for that kind of community, although to be fair, EQ could be so harsh that you'd lose a couple of hours play sorting out a really bad group wipe, and I think that was why some players headed to pastures new.
Chess is only a game but thats taken very seriously . :P
By a very few percentage of the population. Most people do NOT care.
I don't play Warcraft for the same reason I don't play naughts and crosses/tick tack toe . I grew out of it the second I realised there was no challenge to it any more .
Can you down the lich king in 25 hard mode? I doubt it. I think you are running from it because you know you can't deal with the hard modes. You are all talk and no action.
Fortunatly for Blizzard the human race will continue to procreate and there will be an influx of children who love easy and simplistic gameplay for years to come .
I wouldn't put a lot of credibility to a person who can't even get their fact straight. You do know that the average age of a WOW player is 28, do you?. Do you want me to post the link or is it too "challenging" for you to even find this simple information online?
You're implying that Raids in WoW (I never played EQ) are anything more than a retard check.
Because let's be honest, if you and 24 friends all hit 80 at the same time, You could clear all content in 3 weeks easliy. That's if you all slack.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
So you're saying you could do it easily, if you really wanted to? Thats fucking precious. I guess I could win 10 gold medals in the next olympics, I just dont feel like it. Yeah right.
Also, have you tried completing the hardest raids in WoW without cheating (without reading strategies online made by skilled guilds)?
Yeah, didnt think so.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Good jebuz, it's people like the OP that gives us old school players & EQ a bad name. OP is the reason why people today bash the old school games, including those of us that would like to see some old school games remade.
These character services were popular in EQ long before WoW was released. People asked for it, and the companies delivered them. It's a game, lighten up.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
I am losing track of how many rant threads this person is creating...
LOL
Just.... LOL.
Oh, thank you for that. Made my day.
But that said, everything you said was completely irrelevant. The entire game is just a gear/retard check. If you want to believe it's anything more then that's your call.
But hell, I had fun with it for years. But the shallowness of WotLK was just too much for me.
But I'm sure there are plenty of people who still enjoy it and that's great. More power to them.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
those are features that people want?
then you probably missed wow private servers
-instaleveling
-1000* damage
-1000* rewards
-no need to play
-instateleportin
-instaepics
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i have news for you.wow is a toy.Those are features that people want.Period.
Generation P
So you're saying you could start from scratch and overtake guilds like Paragon and Ensidia; in 3 weeks?
Yeah, right. Sure. that's cute. Feel free to prove this, or shut up.
CHEAP = PRACTICAL
MMOs are for everybody now and no longer exclusive to geeks who feel special getting pixelized items and achievements. Bragging about video game achievements in-game or IRL is just sad. Sad sad true story.
I want to see that fresh 80 3 week clear of WoW raid content too... Post your WoW character name so I can WoWarmory you and search your character history >>>(http://www.warcraftrealms.com/charhistory.php). Don't be afraid now :P
anything to make money- its what mmos companies are about now- taking the mickey out of it's customers asking them to form out a subscription fee and then further and further fees on top.
How many people are on wow private servers? Ten of thousands? How many on REAL wow? 11.5M .... sure there are always people on the fringe who want non-main stream stuff.
It's a 'gear/retard check' in the same way football is just a 'muscle/retard' check and NASCAR is a 'car/retard' check.
This.
WoW is a business. Subscription fees fuel the business so it keeps going. Other services are for the more excentric player who has the spare $$$ and doesn't mind spending more. You pay for what you want. You're not forced to pay for the other services. So stop forcing yourself.
He can't. His best argument is "LOL" .. which means he has none. I doubt even if he has the skills to clear lich king even in BIS gear. He is the kind that he only say things are easy to belittle others and he has NO ABILITY to do those things himself.
He probably could not even get into good guilds and hates the game because of that.
I think EQ's RP Server guilds were probably better than Paragon and Ensidia
Those guilds are nothing to the pre-expansion WoW guilds who were doing 40 man Naxx while 99% of WoW players were in diapers wiping in Molten Core.
Ooo I like this game. Let met try.
"The sky is blue and everybody poops."
I don't think you could have a more obvious statement for a topic. Well, to be more accurate, it would be more correct to simply say "Blizzard cheapens games for $$" given their new philosophy to taking the stupid stick to all of their franchises.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
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WoW raids aren't all that hard to learn considering there is no longer a penalty for dying in almost all of WoW raid zones.
Once you do have a strategy (which you term cheating, for some odd reason), then you just follow that script and you beat the game. Even with a bunch of bad players in your raid, you would still be capable of beating WoW.
What makes WoW even easier is all of the mods they have in the game. Raids are too automated anymore, they've made it into a low skill activity. Just download the right mods to be endgame material. As long as you look at your screen periodically(for raid messages telling you when things are about to occur, what to do, etc.) you can beat a WoW raid.
If you think an EQ raid was that easy, you just never played it. EQ raids didn't get easier as expansions got released, they got harder. In WoW after an expansion or content is released, the game just becomes easier and easier. Do you really think the 40 mans were easier than the current content? They removed them for a reason, even with mods most guilds couldn't do them.
EQ raids, you could have all the strategy you want, it didn't guarantee a win. Know how long people wiped to Rallos Zek encounters in EQ? Months.
EQ raids required everyone know what they were doing, and also for everyone to play at their best in order to beat a raid.
EQ raids were always at the level where anything less from anyone would result in a wipe.
Beating EQ raids was a rush, and with WoW you just don't have that because the fights are not even close..
My suspicion, on noting the OP's join date and the content of the majority of his/her threads is that s/he may simply be trying to stir up controversy over spring break out of sheer boredom. Engage in debate with caution.
Firebrand Art
"You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr