Flop? In terms of not having HUGE numbers I agree. 50 - 100k subbed players would make this game a huge success in its particular genre though and I think it's quite capable of that. The customization in this game is incredible, and people can spend all the time custumizing clothes and cars that they want without it costing any of their game time, then they can sell those designs and use the proceeds to buy more game time. (Apparently.) That, to me, sounds like an artists paradise and I think there will be thousands of players for this feature itself.
It's so dissapointing that they are charging for it. I think I will buy Global Agenda instead, as that does not have a monthly fee for the non-conquest things.
I will also get into GTA4 and GTA San Andreas online instead.
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I would rather pay to play something | enjoy then pay nothing to play (half of) something I wouldnt so much.
Thats just me though heh.
Plus everyone I know playing APB on districts capped at 50% say the game is unbearable with lag half the time they play, and that the game is simply not going to be ready for a june release
we shall see at launch won't we?
forgive me if I dont take the view of some random stranger who i dont know the tastes or agenda of on the interweb (and 'everyone he knows' lol) that obviously wants the game to fail for some reason to be a valid source of worry at this time.
(it doesn't even have proper hitboxes! how can you enjoy shooting someone 3 times in the face without killing them, but killing someone else with a shot to the foot?)
people will make up their own minds what they enjoy, and it might or might not be the same as you.
This has nothing to do with it being a 'flop' or not.
and that even though the game is a blast...
oh right... now, despite what you said above, you have decided that you DO enjoy it despite the lack of hitboxes... is it a blast or not?
make up your mind.
there simply isnt enough content to warrant playing it actively like you would a MMO like WoW, Aion, EVE, etc... Like I said GTA4 or APB is the game I want sitting on my shelf that I can hop on any time I feel like, not one where I want to worry about having time or a subscription for.
I answered this is a prior post, but you obviously choose to ignore that because it interfers with your established rant.
The pay by hour model tells me that, right now, RTW agree with you; You don't have to pay a sub like WoW. You can have it on the shelf, your play time stored, for when you want to jump in.
This optional payment model is for the casaul gamer you describe, and yet in that same prior post you attack it, despite it solving a need you have. Again, make up your mind.
Your extended point, after all the text is cut through, just seems to boil down to 'waaaaah! its not free!'
As long as you'll be happy paying $10/month for modern warfare 3 because they have to make money somehow, it's all good.
And I don't want the game to fail, I want them to delay the launch a few months until it's ready, because I have a half dozen friends/clanmates from other games playing the Euro beta, and they all say it's not ready
...And I personally don't care about the payment model, I'm going to pay it anyway because I've been known to waste my money, but that doesn't change the fact that I think this payment model is going to shy away too many potential buyers...Like I said I guarantee Guild Wars wouldn't have sold 10 million + boxes if it charged monthly for you to play in districts.
As long as you'll be happy paying $10/month for modern warfare 3 because they have to make money somehow, it's all good.
If MW3 was in continous development (new maps, features, and other content) and my $10 sub ensured that, as well as server stability and anti hack/ cheat protection, then yes it's all good.
I think this payment model is going to shy away too many potential buyers...Like I said I guarantee Guild Wars wouldn't have sold 10 million + boxes if it charged monthly for you to play in districts.
From a developer or publisher's point of view, that might be a bad thing. But as a player, there ins't anything necessarily wrong with a smaller community, in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The only redeeming "feature" this game has, is it's customization system. I'll refrain from listing all the things my statement implies.
Playing with and against other players, with limitless possiblity for strategies and tactics are pretty redeeming features. Maybe not ground breaking, but fun and challenging none-the-less. And the graphics are superb as well in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I think this payment model is going to shy away too many potential buyers...Like I said I guarantee Guild Wars wouldn't have sold 10 million + boxes if it charged monthly for you to play in districts.
From a developer or publisher's point of view, that might be a bad thing. But as a player, there ins't anything necessarily wrong with a smaller community, in my opinion.
I agree with you 100%, all I care about is a healthy server, I prefer smaller communities where all the top guilds know each other and the politics on other servers, as well as when games have server vs. server arena matches and stuff like Lineage 2 did...AoC is another smaller game now too, and I love the community the way it is...but I know publishers (EA in particular) don't want that.
Did the NDA drop recently? If no then holy NDA BREAKS BATMAN!1!111
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Originally posted by Honeymoon69 they are giving keys like no tomorrow doesnt that tell u something.
Stress testing!
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
Wow Clindork, thanks for your omnipotent insight.. Can you teach me how to make a time machine also?
Do you have a fan club I could join? Since you have found out how to bypass reviewers that actually get paid to review games, sales charts, beta tests and personal experience and save us all time and money by letting us know that this game will fail.
Any other games that your crystal ball has shown you I should avoid in the near future??
By the sound of things, it isn't going to be as deep and expansive as some people hope. From what i've seen and heard it's basically the type of game you hop in for short periods to cause some carnage, then go do something else, since it doesn't really have anything to keep all types of players in the game for hours on end.
So in that sense you're likely to see only the truly "hardcore"(=PvP dicks) players in the game most of the time. But hey, if that's your thing then this will probably be one of the best games for it.
By the sound of things, it isn't going to be as deep and expansive as some people hope. From what i've seen and heard it's basically the type of game you hop in for short periods to cause some carnage, then go do something else, since it doesn't really have anything to keep all types of players in the game for hours on end.
So in that sense you're likely to see only the truly "hardcore"(=PvP dicks) players in the game most of the time. But hey, if that's your thing then this will probably be one of the best games for it.
Until I actually play it its all hear say thats all. From every video I have seen it looks like there will be plenty to do.
Until I actually play it its all hear say thats all. From every video I have seen it looks like there will be plenty to do.
And the whole beauty of their pricing model is that if I log in for 10 hours and find out theres not enough for me to do (which i don't believe will be the case, but am saying for the sake of argument...) I can simply log out and save my 40 remaining free hours for when there is.
"The game includes 50 hours of action game play out of the box plus unlimited time in APB's social districts customising, socialising and trading on the marketplace."
By the sound of things, it isn't going to be as deep and expansive as some people hope. From what i've seen and heard it's basically the type of game you hop in for short periods to cause some carnage, then go do something else, since it doesn't really have anything to keep all types of players in the game for hours on end.
So in that sense you're likely to see only the truly "hardcore"(=PvP dicks) players in the game most of the time. But hey, if that's your thing then this will probably be one of the best games for it.
That depends on the matchmaking system. Personally, I think most of the hardcore PvP dicks will get bored pretty fast and leave. Which is fine with me.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
By the sound of things, it isn't going to be as deep and expansive as some people hope. From what i've seen and heard it's basically the type of game you hop in for short periods to cause some carnage, then go do something else, since it doesn't really have anything to keep all types of players in the game for hours on end.
So in that sense you're likely to see only the truly "hardcore"(=PvP dicks) players in the game most of the time. But hey, if that's your thing then this will probably be one of the best games for it.
That depends on the matchmaking system. Personally, I think most of the hardcore PvP dicks will get bored pretty fast and leave. Which is fine with me.
the reason they dont give out many US keys is b/c they know US players are hard to plz so they dont want them to see what the game is like bfore they wasted their $$$ on the boxes......
First off its not a true MMO, its a CO game (similar to Guild Wars), the Payment method is ridiculous, this is not the kind of game you want to pay a subscription for, it's a game you want to have on your shelf that you can start it up and play it any time you want without have to worry about setting up a subscription...I personally don't think it's the type of game like World of Warcraft where you can put your life into it...It seems like they are just throwing a subscription on top of the game because they can...
I think too many people will be pushed away by a subscription system for this, and the game doesn't have enough hype going for it to get a healthy population otherwise. I agree there wasn,t suppose to be I been following this game for awhile and they kept saying more than likely they wouldn't wonder why they changed there mind because of this I canceled , I do not mind paying but this game is not worth paying a sub for..
One thing that is bad is the ranks, when a level 140 can one shot 3 and 4 rank 1's then there is a problem they need a match making server or this game will fail bad for new comers and part time players watch and see... this is what I heard anyways.... if anyone can confirm??? but heard people complaining on a forum about this and no way I like this..
I completely understand the original poster. But I think it was worded wrong. The game is a a shooter game, now most of the time, unless a shooter game was your favorite game ever, you never come back to it when your done, APB is an mmo though, so if people want to play an mmo, they can have the box on the shelf and install it. The thing is, if its 100 per insance, everything takes place in a mission, blah blah, its basically a shooter game. Nothing real new here. They are tagging a sub price because some people consider APB an mmo, not all people do, some people think the game shouldn't be. If you watch the combat videos or if someone here has played beta, you can see that it looks like your standard shooter video, nothing looks like an MMO to say the truth. So since this game is a shooter, it won't last you eternity, I know I don't play shooters as long as mmos, but if you ever want to come back to it, you have to take oout your card and sub for it. Thats a pain. I like going back to old battlefield games because there my favorite shooters, if APB is just shooter with a sub price, it won't survive.
MMOs played: Too many Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
I completely understand the original poster. But I think it was worded wrong. The game is a a shooter game, now most of the time, unless a shooter game was your favorite game ever, you never come back to it when your done, APB is an mmo though, so if people want to play an mmo, they can have the box on the shelf and install it. The thing is, if its 100 per insance, everything takes place in a mission, blah blah, its basically a shooter game. Nothing real new here. They are tagging a sub price because some people consider APB an mmo, not all people do, some people think the game shouldn't be. If you watch the combat videos or if someone here has played beta, you can see that it looks like your standard shooter video, nothing looks like an MMO to say the truth. So since this game is a shooter, it won't last you eternity, I know I don't play shooters as long as mmos, but if you ever want to come back to it, you have to take oout your card and sub for it. Thats a pain. I like going back to old battlefield games because there my favorite shooters, if APB is just shooter with a sub price, it won't survive.
its funny because so many rail on Age of Conan because it is highly instanced yet you can fit both action districts and the social district into one of AoC's "instances" and they complain about AoC and CO lacking content mid level but even the mid levels in those 2 games have alot more and there is only a 5 dollar difference here so after the glamour wears off I dont think many are going to see the $10 sub(or $7 dollars for 20 hours) as such a great deal
The only thing mmo about APB is the capability of having alot of people in a pvp match and its yet to be seen if it is with minimal lag when alot are in the same area.
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Flop? In terms of not having HUGE numbers I agree. 50 - 100k subbed players would make this game a huge success in its particular genre though and I think it's quite capable of that. The customization in this game is incredible, and people can spend all the time custumizing clothes and cars that they want without it costing any of their game time, then they can sell those designs and use the proceeds to buy more game time. (Apparently.) That, to me, sounds like an artists paradise and I think there will be thousands of players for this feature itself.
As long as you'll be happy paying $10/month for modern warfare 3 because they have to make money somehow, it's all good.
And I don't want the game to fail, I want them to delay the launch a few months until it's ready, because I have a half dozen friends/clanmates from other games playing the Euro beta, and they all say it's not ready
...And I personally don't care about the payment model, I'm going to pay it anyway because I've been known to waste my money, but that doesn't change the fact that I think this payment model is going to shy away too many potential buyers...Like I said I guarantee Guild Wars wouldn't have sold 10 million + boxes if it charged monthly for you to play in districts.
From a developer or publisher's point of view, that might be a bad thing. But as a player, there ins't anything necessarily wrong with a smaller community, in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The only redeeming "feature" this game has, is it's customization system. I'll refrain from listing all the things my statement implies.
You woke up your account from '04 to post this?
I'll refrain from listing all the things my statement implies.
Playing with and against other players, with limitless possiblity for strategies and tactics are pretty redeeming features. Maybe not ground breaking, but fun and challenging none-the-less. And the graphics are superb as well in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I agree with you 100%, all I care about is a healthy server, I prefer smaller communities where all the top guilds know each other and the politics on other servers, as well as when games have server vs. server arena matches and stuff like Lineage 2 did...AoC is another smaller game now too, and I love the community the way it is...but I know publishers (EA in particular) don't want that.
Did the NDA drop recently? If no then holy NDA BREAKS BATMAN!1!111
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
they are giving keys like no tomorrow doesnt that tell u something.
Stress testing!
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
Wow Clindork, thanks for your omnipotent insight.. Can you teach me how to make a time machine also?
Do you have a fan club I could join? Since you have found out how to bypass reviewers that actually get paid to review games, sales charts, beta tests and personal experience and save us all time and money by letting us know that this game will fail.
Any other games that your crystal ball has shown you I should avoid in the near future??
:P
Yeah bro, I will teach you this magic only taught in Ancient monk school in china...
It's called watching leaked beta gameplay videos on youtube, and asking friends who are currently in the beta.
Now you can conquer the world, with this new....common sense!
Fixed for ya because trying to find NA keys is very rare. Trust me Ive been looking around.
By the sound of things, it isn't going to be as deep and expansive as some people hope. From what i've seen and heard it's basically the type of game you hop in for short periods to cause some carnage, then go do something else, since it doesn't really have anything to keep all types of players in the game for hours on end.
So in that sense you're likely to see only the truly "hardcore"(=PvP dicks) players in the game most of the time. But hey, if that's your thing then this will probably be one of the best games for it.
Until I actually play it its all hear say thats all. From every video I have seen it looks like there will be plenty to do.
And the whole beauty of their pricing model is that if I log in for 10 hours and find out theres not enough for me to do (which i don't believe will be the case, but am saying for the sake of argument...) I can simply log out and save my 40 remaining free hours for when there is.
"The game includes 50 hours of action game play out of the box plus unlimited time in APB's social districts customising, socialising and trading on the marketplace."
That depends on the matchmaking system. Personally, I think most of the hardcore PvP dicks will get bored pretty fast and leave. Which is fine with me.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
why Pvp is pretty fast
yea just get an eu key you will have higher ping thats all
the reason they dont give out many US keys is b/c they know US players are hard to plz so they dont want them to see what the game is like bfore they wasted their $$$ on the boxes......
I completely understand the original poster. But I think it was worded wrong. The game is a a shooter game, now most of the time, unless a shooter game was your favorite game ever, you never come back to it when your done, APB is an mmo though, so if people want to play an mmo, they can have the box on the shelf and install it. The thing is, if its 100 per insance, everything takes place in a mission, blah blah, its basically a shooter game. Nothing real new here. They are tagging a sub price because some people consider APB an mmo, not all people do, some people think the game shouldn't be. If you watch the combat videos or if someone here has played beta, you can see that it looks like your standard shooter video, nothing looks like an MMO to say the truth. So since this game is a shooter, it won't last you eternity, I know I don't play shooters as long as mmos, but if you ever want to come back to it, you have to take oout your card and sub for it. Thats a pain. I like going back to old battlefield games because there my favorite shooters, if APB is just shooter with a sub price, it won't survive.
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
its funny because so many rail on Age of Conan because it is highly instanced yet you can fit both action districts and the social district into one of AoC's "instances" and they complain about AoC and CO lacking content mid level but even the mid levels in those 2 games have alot more and there is only a 5 dollar difference here so after the glamour wears off I dont think many are going to see the $10 sub(or $7 dollars for 20 hours) as such a great deal
The only thing mmo about APB is the capability of having alot of people in a pvp match and its yet to be seen if it is with minimal lag when alot are in the same area.