To go on vent, unprotected, as in without a significant other, who is in the same channel as you is virtually like backpacking through the middleeast as an umarried 18 yr old woman. You will eventually encounter the horrid male who is going to asume that you dont deserve any respect because youre in his neck of the woods unescorted.
Wow. You watch entirely too much Lifetime channel.
My girlfiend and I also play World of Warcraft together on a RP server. I play a female gnome mage, and she plays a male human paladin. When we started, she asked me if she could wear some of my clothes while gaming to get better into the role. I said "why not". Then some time later she asked me to do the same with her clothes. Of course I told her I won't do that, but you know women: when they really want something... But that was a year ago and I got used to it now, and a happy girlfriend is also worth a lot.
I play 90% female characters.. Why? 1) It's easier to get into groups and whatnots because men are just too predictable.. and more importantly 2) If I'm going to be viewing my toon from the backside for hours.. I'd rather have it a females booty then a mans.. LOL
I met a friend of a friend a while back. She is a nice person. I later found out that she actually used to be a he. I seriously would never have known if I wasnt told.
1. A transgender who changes sex has always thought of him- or herself as said sex. The change is only outwards.
2. I am utterly confused how you can miss a man transformed into a woman, because they keep their deeper male voice.
There was no deep male voice to begin with. Not every man sounds manly.
Well, I'm certain a great number of males will be up in arms about this, demanding I get thicker skin, but I'll say it anyway.
From my vantage-point, one that spans the entire MMORPG inception (Yes, I'm that damn old), males gravitating to female toons over the past few years has greatly tainted pixel-life for the female gamer --- the gaming population seems to have become desensitized to whom they are actually playing with, and with that, respect/acknowledgment that a female may be in their accopanyment has reached an all-new low.
Quit frankly, as a female (on my female toon), I don't care to hear the words, "R*ped, C*nt," or a whole slew of other words that my father would have decked my brother for if it ever came out of his mouth - at any age. In addition, I don't paticiularly care about your manlyness, how big it is, where you plan on puting it or who you gave it to last night. Yet, in the past year, I've heard it so many times in Vent that I actually logged out and never went back. I cannot recall any of that twelve years ago when men were men and they played male toons.
But, then again, perhaps it has nothing to do with males playing female toons - maybe men are just that much more disrespectful and immature these days.
*Puts on flame retardent jammies and walks away*
I don't think men playing females has anything to do with the rudeness you've experienced in game. I play female characters sometimes and I've experienced it too. I think if you want to get really analytical about it you could make another observeration. Over 40 percent of american children are born to single mothers. I have heard greater than 95 percent of people in prisons did not have fathers in the home.
Children need a mother AND a father to teach them respect and civility. It's not 100% that having both parents will ensure your kids will be well behaved, but most of the time it won't hurt either. Also, there is a culture of irreverence and disrespect that permeates American culture with every young generation, and it just continues to evolve. And here we are...
Driving down the street here in town, you will see young males tugging or holding on to their male members as they walk down the street. Young men who have their pants hanging below their butt cheeks. A few months back I saw a young guy in a tank top sitting in a chair in the mall tweaking and twisting his nipples. Hahaha. Yeah, we are probably witnessing the breakdown of society and it comes across in online gaming. Ofcourse, every generation thinks we are getting closer to society falling apart but I think we are closer to it than not.
Ofcourse some will say that no fathers around has nothing to do with kids acting out. We are so far from where we started it's a hopeless arguement to debate. You either get it or you don't. When I got out of line, my dad gave me a whooping. A couple times I got smacked upside the head pretty hard. I learned. Today I am 41, very successful, and I'm grateful I had a father to instill some kind of discipline and respect in me.
For me it depends on the game as to whether I play a girl character or not. I played a necro in Guild Wars, and all the male models looked like bi-curious emo kids. The female models were at least hot in a vamp sort of way, so I rolled a female. In LOTRO, WAR and WOW I played exclusively males. I did try a Night Elf female alt in WOW, but after having several 12-year-olds hit on me I decided it wasn't worth it.
I did roll an female alt in AOC just so that I could run around topless in Tortage. Yes, sometimes I revert to being 14 again.
Honestly though, I don't see what the big deal is as long as a male isn't passing himself off as a RL girl in chat. What's the difference between playing an elf and playing a female character? It's all role-playing.
We'll lets think about this ; I'm a guy and I usually play male characters because we'll I wanna be that badass warrior or mage... But If i'm playing a hardcore asain grinder, I'm going to pick a female character so then I'll be able to stare at her butt for hours while i'm trying to level
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Well, I'm certain a great number of males will be up in arms about this, demanding I get thicker skin, but I'll say it anyway.
From my vantage-point, one that spans the entire MMORPG inception (Yes, I'm that damn old), males gravitating to female toons over the past few years has greatly tainted pixel-life for the female gamer --- the gaming population seems to have become desensitized to whom they are actually playing with, and with that, respect/acknowledgment that a female may be in their accopanyment has reached an all-new low.
Quit frankly, as a female (on my female toon), I don't care to hear the words, "R*ped, C*nt," or a whole slew of other words that my father would have decked my brother for if it ever came out of his mouth - at any age. In addition, I don't paticiularly care about your manlyness, how big it is, where you plan on puting it or who you gave it to last night. Yet, in the past year, I've heard it so many times in Vent that I actually logged out and never went back. I cannot recall any of that twelve years ago when men were men and they played male toons.
But, then again, perhaps it has nothing to do with males playing female toons - maybe men are just that much more disrespectful and immature these days.
*Puts on flame retardent jammies and walks away*
I don't think men playing females has anything to do with the rudeness you've experienced in game. I play female characters sometimes and I've experienced it too. I think if you want to get really analytical about it you could make another observeration. Over 40 percent of american children are born to single mothers. I have heard greater than 95 percent of people in prisons did not have fathers in the home.
Children need a mother AND a father to teach them respect and civility. It's not 100% that having both parents will ensure your kids will be well behaved, but most of the time it won't hurt either. Also, there is a culture of irreverence and disrespect that permeates American culture with every young generation, and it just continues to evolve. And here we are...
Driving down the street here in town, you will see young males tugging or holding on to their male members as they walk down the street. Young men who have their pants hanging below their butt cheeks. A few months back I saw a young guy in a tank top sitting in a chair in the mall tweaking and twisting his nipples. Hahaha. Yeah, we are probably witnessing the breakdown of society and it comes across in online gaming. Ofcourse, every generation thinks we are getting closer to society falling apart but I think we are closer to it than not.
Ofcourse some will say that no fathers around has nothing to do with kids acting out. We are so far from where we started it's a hopeless arguement to debate. You either get it or you don't. When I got out of line, my dad gave me a whooping. A couple times I got smacked upside the head pretty hard. I learned. Today I am 41, very successful, and I'm grateful I had a father to instill some kind of discipline and respect in me.
You put across some very good points there. However you are talking as though its a forgone conclusion that everyone who plays mmos and uses this website is an american. I've noticed that a lot of american forum members on this site seem to have that habit. Rudeness and general disrespect happens all over the world. I didnt think this thread was referring specifically to americans.
You're comment about guys wearing trousers below their butt cheeks made me chuckle though. I see that a fair bit over here in the UK too. It's really bloody annoying because it very clearly looks ridiculous. Why do they do that? Do they actually think they look good? Why cant they see how stupid they look?
That culture of disrespect is happening over here as well. Perhaps my perceptions of things are skewed but it really does seem to me as though there are more youngsters trying to act like grown ups than there used to be. I think in many cases the parents of those kids are practically children themselves and make terrible role models. As a result children either end up mimicing their bad behaviours or they have no respect for them at all and try and figure out their own way of behaving by just copying what people around them are doing. These child-parents are too caught up in trying to figure out how to grow up themselves to be able to pay enough attention to their own kids. So we have very young "adults" in their early 20s that havent fully developed themselves mentally and emotionally having kids way too early, and then those kids grow up thinking they should do the same. Its a pretty horrible cycle that continues to repeat itself.
Back in the day when me and my friends played WoW my mate rolled his main as an female orc....
Now his reply was it was a mistake....now why say that at level one and continue to lvl 70 and continue to say it was a mistake...also said he couldnt be bothered rerolling male.
We knew better he actually wanted to be a female orc and dance for free money...
Well, I'm certain a great number of males will be up in arms about this, demanding I get thicker skin, but I'll say it anyway.
From my vantage-point, one that spans the entire MMORPG inception (Yes, I'm that damn old), males gravitating to female toons over the past few years has greatly tainted pixel-life for the female gamer --- the gaming population seems to have become desensitized to whom they are actually playing with, and with that, respect/acknowledgment that a female may be in their accopanyment has reached an all-new low.
Quit frankly, as a female (on my female toon), I don't care to hear the words, "R*ped, C*nt," or a whole slew of other words that my father would have decked my brother for if it ever came out of his mouth - at any age. In addition, I don't paticiularly care about your manlyness, how big it is, where you plan on puting it or who you gave it to last night. Yet, in the past year, I've heard it so many times in Vent that I actually logged out and never went back. I cannot recall any of that twelve years ago when men were men and they played male toons.
But, then again, perhaps it has nothing to do with males playing female toons - maybe men are just that much more disrespectful and immature these days.
*Puts on flame retardent jammies and walks away*
I don't think men playing females has anything to do with the rudeness you've experienced in game. I play female characters sometimes and I've experienced it too. I think if you want to get really analytical about it you could make another observeration. Over 40 percent of american children are born to single mothers. I have heard greater than 95 percent of people in prisons did not have fathers in the home.
Children need a mother AND a father to teach them respect and civility. It's not 100% that having both parents will ensure your kids will be well behaved, but most of the time it won't hurt either. Also, there is a culture of irreverence and disrespect that permeates American culture with every young generation, and it just continues to evolve. And here we are...
Driving down the street here in town, you will see young males tugging or holding on to their male members as they walk down the street. Young men who have their pants hanging below their butt cheeks. A few months back I saw a young guy in a tank top sitting in a chair in the mall tweaking and twisting his nipples. Hahaha. Yeah, we are probably witnessing the breakdown of society and it comes across in online gaming. Ofcourse, every generation thinks we are getting closer to society falling apart but I think we are closer to it than not.
Ofcourse some will say that no fathers around has nothing to do with kids acting out. We are so far from where we started it's a hopeless arguement to debate. You either get it or you don't. When I got out of line, my dad gave me a whooping. A couple times I got smacked upside the head pretty hard. I learned. Today I am 41, very successful, and I'm grateful I had a father to instill some kind of discipline and respect in me.
I agree with what you say but Ashyn got a point. When I am with female company, in real life, I tend to censor what I am saying so not to be disrespectful. But online, seeing as so many "men" use female avatars, I really dont do it because I always assume that a female toon is being played by some guy.
I hope one MMORPG is released where you have to be female to roll female characters (dont ask me how they will enforce it). That way men are men and women are women, the way it should be like.
The past few comments on "Kids Today" made me smile.
I believe that the first recorded version of someone stating that "Kids today are so disrespectful, and it will cause the breakdown of society and all Social norms. When *I* was a kid, we respected our elders and bla, bla..." was found on a papyrus-roll, scribbled by a frustrated Egyptian priest in the early part of the Egyprian Ptolomaeic Dynasty...that's the year 300'ish BC, or there abouts.
So I think the idea that kids today are so disrespectful and are causing the break-down of society as we know it, is just something that mankind has always taken to saying, once they reach 30 years of age, or so.
I think society is going to be ok, even if kids gravitate towards pixelated cleavage over pixelated chest-hair, and seem to have some issues sorting out how to dress themselves.
I occasionally play female avatars in MMOs. When I do, it's for any or all of these reasons:
The visual design of the game's male avatars is subpar. They look awkward, clumsy and boring. (#1 reason)
The clothing and armor available to male avatars is dull, plain and unappealing in comparison to female versions.
A female avatar fits the class or character concept I want better than a male one (or maybe the class is female-only).
I plan to role-play, and I decide I want the challenge and novelty of playing a female character.
I never play female avatars for the following reasons:
Getting free stuff from deluded, horny males.
Being "treated better" and receiving additional help.
Engaging in transsexual cybersex without divulging my real-life gender.
That being said, on rare occasions (when I want people to believe I'm female in the interest of role-play and doubt I'll be "caught" on voice chat -- in text MUDs, for example), I will lie about my real-life gender. I do this because even in a strong role-playing environment, if people know for a fact that your female character has a male player behind it, they treat it differently.
If that were not the case, I wouldn't feel the need to lie, but alas, it is. Even people who say "you're male until I hear you on Vent" will treat your female character differently once they know for a fact that you're a real-life male.
However, I never engage in cybersex (never have, never will), so as far as I'm concerned, there's no harm in it.
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Sekhen-Oni is right about the antiquity of “Kids Today” comments. But now I am going to ask you to put your thinking cap on. Would you say that your society is in every way better than the societies that came before it? I would put to you that it is not, and when you realise that you can see how the transformation of a society can be seen as a break down.
Of course there are many positives as well, but if all you see are the good things about our brave new world you are as blind as those who only see the bad side.
Sorry I have wondered off topic, real Girls in MMO’s = Phew-oor! (there you go :-) )
What's with much of this. I understand the post. The topic is actually probably very important to psychology and sociology, especially in U.S., or at least that's what I would think. Not that I'm cultured or anything, I do try and pay attention to the rest of the world and absorb good ideas, trends and to be empathetic to things different then me.
Heh the talk about the youth is what I really noticed. How is sagging pants disrespectful, it's just different and fairly new, well 15 years isn't new but apparently it is still in some middleaged to elders minds. That's just being uptight about the human body. Simply because the shape of someone's ass is seen people get all bent out of shape. I've seen worse plumbers cracks, actually, delivering pizza, i see a gnarly old dudes(sometimes woman) butt crack. Not that I minds, it's just an ass. Another ass in the millions I will see before I'm dead. Why do I look at ass? Because I'm not attached to puritan, past, old or new ideas about what a person should be. I mix them all together and try to come to an objective truth. The youth is not disrespectful, they simply carry on physical and spiritual drama passed down for 1000s of years now from their parents. Kids are not treated like an endpoint of a parents evolution, which is what they are, in terms of mind and spirit. They are not treated as EQUAL humands with EQUAL opinions coming from a mind every bit as capable as their parents when the emoitional drama is under control. I was told many times that my politcal opinions didn't matter when I was about 13-20 because of my youthful attitude, the excessive use of superlatives, and simply because I was young. My mind could not possibly have been equal. If my family had listened to my passionate youthful opinions they wouldn't have voted for George W. Bush who greatly contributed to F-ing up the world. Although we all should know by now he wasn't really running the show and neither is Obama; another story in itself.
I really don't think the youth disrespect on purpose; unless their life situation is truly dictating that it should be so. I think things change and they change alot. I do whole heartedly agree that single mothering is part of why men role-play women, and why homosexuality is more prevelant in the world(U.S. is what I really mean I guess). Is it wrong? No not really, I mean I'm a natrualist, I think their should be some overwhelming natural urge for a man to be with a woman and vice versa but that's not how it is. Over 50% the worlds creatures are born hermaphroditic and that includes many creatures besides plants which are the usual suspect for that type of thing. Chew on that for a minute.
This is what happened to the MMORPG world thanks to WoW.
Oh yes, WoW, the destroyer of society, the warbringer, the destroyer of the univers. It has nothing to do to not being used to emphatic interaction due to most of it being on the internet and not face to face, and all to do with, ofcourse WoW. Stereotypes, another great way of ruining interaction and decent conversation.
It doesnt matter if he misses the connection, when you point it out. Wow has nothing to do with it, it is merely able to showcase the consequences of what you describe. Lets acknowledge that, while accepting that many a fact is presented using generalisations. Imo wow has an accumulative effect though and enhances and emphasises the problem for those who have grown up in the internet age and are also avid gamers.
I feel sadness sometimes because it seems something less than human empathy is being grown into them, and I think it diminishes us as a species. (however I dont think these forums can handle the topic going so far off center and in such a direction haha )
outta here
actaully that's right on. We all need empathy. Youth and adults alike. Lots of empathy. To fix this place. or at least accept it for what it is.
You actually care who someone behind a avatar in a game is?
Ok, if you have cybersex or something with someone and later find out it is a guy I could see why you would be creeped out but otherwise????
It is just a game. I don't care the least about the origin, sex, age or religion of the people I play with.
And I do believe that the only people who actually care are the people trying to pick up girls in a MMO which is a step beyond sad even. Would you be happier to find out that the girl you hit on is 11 or 65 years old?
i now this quote is pretty freakin late but LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! awww damn that was good readin
This is what happened to the MMORPG world thanks to WoW.
Oh yes, WoW, the destroyer of society, the warbringer, the destroyer of the univers. It has nothing to do to not being used to emphatic interaction due to most of it being on the internet and not face to face, and all to do with, ofcourse WoW. Stereotypes, another great way of ruining interaction and decent conversation.
It doesnt matter if he misses the connection, when you point it out. Wow has nothing to do with it, it is merely able to showcase the consequences of what you describe. Lets acknowledge that, while accepting that many a fact is presented using generalisations. Imo wow has an accumulative effect though and enhances and emphasises the problem for those who have grown up in the internet age and are also avid gamers.
I feel sadness sometimes because it seems something less than human empathy is being grown into them, and I think it diminishes us as a species. (however I dont think these forums can handle the topic going so far off center and in such a direction haha )
outta here
actaully that's right on. We all need empathy. Youth and adults alike. Lots of empathy. To fix this place. or at least accept it for what it is.
I have no clue if this is even on topic with what you are all arguing about. but... it came to mind so im going to post it!
whenever people ask me what im into, either, conversations at work, with friends, or as of late, my new girlfriend asked what i like to do. and i tell them im really into mmo's.
they ask "what's that?" and then i say "oh, its just an online game(s)."
everyone always replies to that "oh... you play WoW?!" and its either in a super sarcastic, like your a loser, or an oh... i just lost respect for you type reply
NOW! ive been playing mmo's since 98', and back in the day i was a sophmore in highschool. and it was 2d games and then eq1 launched in 99' i think... but back then people would ask the same question and id give the same response. but the difference was that they didnt know wtf an mmo was even after i said online games due to the fact that WoW didnt exist.
so id usually explain a bit of it to give them the idea and they'd either go meh, im not into video games or, sounds cool i like games too! the big stigma back then was still D&D and magic the gathering.
since WoW came around though and mainstreamed this genre of games into the media and worldwide spotlight ive noticed the immediate reaction to my beloved MMO's is disdain and pity. which kinda pisses me off lol
and its not just a few people ive talked to, ive talked to pretty much everyone i know or have ever met about this. because eventually this topic comes up. so i ask people, hey! why do you automatically think i play WoW and whats wrong with it if I do? (which i dont)
they all say these things.
A) because they have a family member, friend, or ex bf/gf that played it. and now associate anyone who plays MMO's to WoW
and
they usually always hate it or make fun of me relentlesslly about it, because to non mmo players WoW is the equivalent of D&D and makes us the most unattractive nerdiest freaks on earth
i've played wow, was sucked into it by my circle of eq1 buddies who fell prey to it. i left quick, but i could write another essay on why i hate it so much. but thats a bee hive i dont want to stir up.
i just think its kinda shitty that i have to defend this genre of games because of the WoW persona. pretty much every guy on earth plays some form of video game, and women now a days (farmville). When you talk to someone about the games they play you dont hear "OH MAN YOU PLAY MAG!? HAH! dork!" (random game picked from the top of my tv). its usually like OH DAMN ME TOO!!!! HIGH FIVE!
dont really know how to close this out, just kinda annoyed...
and back to the OP TOPIC!
i play females and males in games.
- male/ female depending on:
1. Classes
2. Armor
3. Emotes
4. Customization level
i use vent when im doing guild functions. everyone knows i have male and female toons. nobody cares. so... if your all bent out of shape over a guy playing a chick toon.... you might be homophobic...
Well, I'm certain a great number of males will be up in arms about this, demanding I get thicker skin, but I'll say it anyway.
From my vantage-point, one that spans the entire MMORPG inception (Yes, I'm that damn old), males gravitating to female toons over the past few years has greatly tainted pixel-life for the female gamer --- the gaming population seems to have become desensitized to whom they are actually playing with, and with that, respect/acknowledgment that a female may be in their accopanyment has reached an all-new low.
Quit frankly, as a female (on my female toon), I don't care to hear the words, "R*ped, C*nt," or a whole slew of other words that my father would have decked my brother for if it ever came out of his mouth - at any age. In addition, I don't paticiularly care about your manlyness, how big it is, where you plan on puting it or who you gave it to last night. Yet, in the past year, I've heard it so many times in Vent that I actually logged out and never went back. I cannot recall any of that twelve years ago when men were men and they played male toons.
But, then again, perhaps it has nothing to do with males playing female toons - maybe men are just that much more disrespectful and immature these days.
*Puts on flame retardent jammies and walks away*
I admit men are idiots, but women are no different, after all they are animals (sorry, human) too. The amount of girls who have only been interested in actually striking up a conversation with me just to get in my pants (including friends of past girlfriends and girls who are apparently in 'love' with someone) amazed me.
lol damnit one more post on this thread. sorry, I'm annoying today.
The reason I play female toons sometimes....The Diablo II sorceress. I like magic, and for some reason unless I'm playing a necromancer or someone who poisons and curses people or druid, I will pick a female elementalist of some sort, almost always. I guess it just depends on the class really and what feels right in the moment.
My girlfiend and I also play World of Warcraft together on a RP server. I play a female gnome mage, and she plays a male human paladin. When we started, she asked me if she could wear some of my clothes while gaming to get better into the role. I said "why not". Then some time later she asked me to do the same with her clothes. Of course I told her I won't do that, but you know women: when they really want something... But that was a year ago and I got used to it now, and a happy girlfriend is also worth a lot.
Watch out for her next request.
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Wow. You watch entirely too much Lifetime channel.
I agree.
My girlfiend and I also play World of Warcraft together on a RP server. I play a female gnome mage, and she plays a male human paladin. When we started, she asked me if she could wear some of my clothes while gaming to get better into the role. I said "why not". Then some time later she asked me to do the same with her clothes. Of course I told her I won't do that, but you know women: when they really want something... But that was a year ago and I got used to it now, and a happy girlfriend is also worth a lot.
I play 90% female characters.. Why? 1) It's easier to get into groups and whatnots because men are just too predictable.. and more importantly 2) If I'm going to be viewing my toon from the backside for hours.. I'd rather have it a females booty then a mans.. LOL
2 fairly simple reasons why men play girls.. LOL
There was no deep male voice to begin with. Not every man sounds manly.
I think this topic is better appreciated while watching muppets sing "I feel pretty." Kind of puts gender irrelevancy for an avatar in perspective.
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I don't think men playing females has anything to do with the rudeness you've experienced in game. I play female characters sometimes and I've experienced it too. I think if you want to get really analytical about it you could make another observeration. Over 40 percent of american children are born to single mothers. I have heard greater than 95 percent of people in prisons did not have fathers in the home.
Children need a mother AND a father to teach them respect and civility. It's not 100% that having both parents will ensure your kids will be well behaved, but most of the time it won't hurt either. Also, there is a culture of irreverence and disrespect that permeates American culture with every young generation, and it just continues to evolve. And here we are...
Driving down the street here in town, you will see young males tugging or holding on to their male members as they walk down the street. Young men who have their pants hanging below their butt cheeks. A few months back I saw a young guy in a tank top sitting in a chair in the mall tweaking and twisting his nipples. Hahaha. Yeah, we are probably witnessing the breakdown of society and it comes across in online gaming. Ofcourse, every generation thinks we are getting closer to society falling apart but I think we are closer to it than not.
Ofcourse some will say that no fathers around has nothing to do with kids acting out. We are so far from where we started it's a hopeless arguement to debate. You either get it or you don't. When I got out of line, my dad gave me a whooping. A couple times I got smacked upside the head pretty hard. I learned. Today I am 41, very successful, and I'm grateful I had a father to instill some kind of discipline and respect in me.
For me it depends on the game as to whether I play a girl character or not. I played a necro in Guild Wars, and all the male models looked like bi-curious emo kids. The female models were at least hot in a vamp sort of way, so I rolled a female. In LOTRO, WAR and WOW I played exclusively males. I did try a Night Elf female alt in WOW, but after having several 12-year-olds hit on me I decided it wasn't worth it.
I did roll an female alt in AOC just so that I could run around topless in Tortage. Yes, sometimes I revert to being 14 again.
Honestly though, I don't see what the big deal is as long as a male isn't passing himself off as a RL girl in chat. What's the difference between playing an elf and playing a female character? It's all role-playing.
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We'll lets think about this ; I'm a guy and I usually play male characters because we'll I wanna be that badass warrior or mage... But If i'm playing a hardcore asain grinder, I'm going to pick a female character so then I'll be able to stare at her butt for hours while i'm trying to level
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Played: MS,GW,EVE,LOTRO,WoW,Allods,Aion, CO,CoH,CoV,TQ Digital games, Darkfall,AoC,RS2.
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Waiting for: Link Realms(can't get my damn beta invite) KOTOR and, GW2
You put across some very good points there. However you are talking as though its a forgone conclusion that everyone who plays mmos and uses this website is an american. I've noticed that a lot of american forum members on this site seem to have that habit. Rudeness and general disrespect happens all over the world. I didnt think this thread was referring specifically to americans.
You're comment about guys wearing trousers below their butt cheeks made me chuckle though. I see that a fair bit over here in the UK too. It's really bloody annoying because it very clearly looks ridiculous. Why do they do that? Do they actually think they look good? Why cant they see how stupid they look?
That culture of disrespect is happening over here as well. Perhaps my perceptions of things are skewed but it really does seem to me as though there are more youngsters trying to act like grown ups than there used to be. I think in many cases the parents of those kids are practically children themselves and make terrible role models. As a result children either end up mimicing their bad behaviours or they have no respect for them at all and try and figure out their own way of behaving by just copying what people around them are doing. These child-parents are too caught up in trying to figure out how to grow up themselves to be able to pay enough attention to their own kids. So we have very young "adults" in their early 20s that havent fully developed themselves mentally and emotionally having kids way too early, and then those kids grow up thinking they should do the same. Its a pretty horrible cycle that continues to repeat itself.
Back in the day when me and my friends played WoW my mate rolled his main as an female orc....
Now his reply was it was a mistake....now why say that at level one and continue to lvl 70 and continue to say it was a mistake...also said he couldnt be bothered rerolling male.
We knew better he actually wanted to be a female orc and dance for free money...
I agree with what you say but Ashyn got a point. When I am with female company, in real life, I tend to censor what I am saying so not to be disrespectful. But online, seeing as so many "men" use female avatars, I really dont do it because I always assume that a female toon is being played by some guy.
I hope one MMORPG is released where you have to be female to roll female characters (dont ask me how they will enforce it). That way men are men and women are women, the way it should be like.
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it's very simple actually.
Roleplaying a girl is fun because it's not what we are. who the heck want's to be the same thing they are in RL also in their fantasy world?
also would you rather look at a hot female ass wile farming your favourite mmo for hours on end or look at a muscular guy's ass?
*Giggle*
The past few comments on "Kids Today" made me smile.
I believe that the first recorded version of someone stating that "Kids today are so disrespectful, and it will cause the breakdown of society and all Social norms. When *I* was a kid, we respected our elders and bla, bla..." was found on a papyrus-roll, scribbled by a frustrated Egyptian priest in the early part of the Egyprian Ptolomaeic Dynasty...that's the year 300'ish BC, or there abouts.
So I think the idea that kids today are so disrespectful and are causing the break-down of society as we know it, is just something that mankind has always taken to saying, once they reach 30 years of age, or so.
I think society is going to be ok, even if kids gravitate towards pixelated cleavage over pixelated chest-hair, and seem to have some issues sorting out how to dress themselves.
I occasionally play female avatars in MMOs. When I do, it's for any or all of these reasons:
The visual design of the game's male avatars is subpar. They look awkward, clumsy and boring. (#1 reason)
The clothing and armor available to male avatars is dull, plain and unappealing in comparison to female versions.
A female avatar fits the class or character concept I want better than a male one (or maybe the class is female-only).
I plan to role-play, and I decide I want the challenge and novelty of playing a female character.
I never play female avatars for the following reasons:
Getting free stuff from deluded, horny males.
Being "treated better" and receiving additional help.
Engaging in transsexual cybersex without divulging my real-life gender.
That being said, on rare occasions (when I want people to believe I'm female in the interest of role-play and doubt I'll be "caught" on voice chat -- in text MUDs, for example), I will lie about my real-life gender. I do this because even in a strong role-playing environment, if people know for a fact that your female character has a male player behind it, they treat it differently.
If that were not the case, I wouldn't feel the need to lie, but alas, it is. Even people who say "you're male until I hear you on Vent" will treat your female character differently once they know for a fact that you're a real-life male.
However, I never engage in cybersex (never have, never will), so as far as I'm concerned, there's no harm in it.
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Sekhen-Oni is right about the antiquity of “Kids Today” comments. But now I am going to ask you to put your thinking cap on. Would you say that your society is in every way better than the societies that came before it? I would put to you that it is not, and when you realise that you can see how the transformation of a society can be seen as a break down.
Of course there are many positives as well, but if all you see are the good things about our brave new world you are as blind as those who only see the bad side.
Sorry I have wondered off topic, real Girls in MMO’s = Phew-oor! (there you go :-) )
What's with much of this. I understand the post. The topic is actually probably very important to psychology and sociology, especially in U.S., or at least that's what I would think. Not that I'm cultured or anything, I do try and pay attention to the rest of the world and absorb good ideas, trends and to be empathetic to things different then me.
Heh the talk about the youth is what I really noticed. How is sagging pants disrespectful, it's just different and fairly new, well 15 years isn't new but apparently it is still in some middleaged to elders minds. That's just being uptight about the human body. Simply because the shape of someone's ass is seen people get all bent out of shape. I've seen worse plumbers cracks, actually, delivering pizza, i see a gnarly old dudes(sometimes woman) butt crack. Not that I minds, it's just an ass. Another ass in the millions I will see before I'm dead. Why do I look at ass? Because I'm not attached to puritan, past, old or new ideas about what a person should be. I mix them all together and try to come to an objective truth. The youth is not disrespectful, they simply carry on physical and spiritual drama passed down for 1000s of years now from their parents. Kids are not treated like an endpoint of a parents evolution, which is what they are, in terms of mind and spirit. They are not treated as EQUAL humands with EQUAL opinions coming from a mind every bit as capable as their parents when the emoitional drama is under control. I was told many times that my politcal opinions didn't matter when I was about 13-20 because of my youthful attitude, the excessive use of superlatives, and simply because I was young. My mind could not possibly have been equal. If my family had listened to my passionate youthful opinions they wouldn't have voted for George W. Bush who greatly contributed to F-ing up the world. Although we all should know by now he wasn't really running the show and neither is Obama; another story in itself.
I really don't think the youth disrespect on purpose; unless their life situation is truly dictating that it should be so. I think things change and they change alot. I do whole heartedly agree that single mothering is part of why men role-play women, and why homosexuality is more prevelant in the world(U.S. is what I really mean I guess). Is it wrong? No not really, I mean I'm a natrualist, I think their should be some overwhelming natural urge for a man to be with a woman and vice versa but that's not how it is. Over 50% the worlds creatures are born hermaphroditic and that includes many creatures besides plants which are the usual suspect for that type of thing. Chew on that for a minute.
actaully that's right on. We all need empathy. Youth and adults alike. Lots of empathy. To fix this place. or at least accept it for what it is.
i now this quote is pretty freakin late but LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! awww damn that was good readin
I have no clue if this is even on topic with what you are all arguing about. but... it came to mind so im going to post it!
whenever people ask me what im into, either, conversations at work, with friends, or as of late, my new girlfriend asked what i like to do. and i tell them im really into mmo's.
they ask "what's that?" and then i say "oh, its just an online game(s)."
everyone always replies to that "oh... you play WoW?!" and its either in a super sarcastic, like your a loser, or an oh... i just lost respect for you type reply
NOW! ive been playing mmo's since 98', and back in the day i was a sophmore in highschool. and it was 2d games and then eq1 launched in 99' i think... but back then people would ask the same question and id give the same response. but the difference was that they didnt know wtf an mmo was even after i said online games due to the fact that WoW didnt exist.
so id usually explain a bit of it to give them the idea and they'd either go meh, im not into video games or, sounds cool i like games too! the big stigma back then was still D&D and magic the gathering.
since WoW came around though and mainstreamed this genre of games into the media and worldwide spotlight ive noticed the immediate reaction to my beloved MMO's is disdain and pity. which kinda pisses me off lol
and its not just a few people ive talked to, ive talked to pretty much everyone i know or have ever met about this. because eventually this topic comes up. so i ask people, hey! why do you automatically think i play WoW and whats wrong with it if I do? (which i dont)
they all say these things.
A) because they have a family member, friend, or ex bf/gf that played it. and now associate anyone who plays MMO's to WoW
and
i've played wow, was sucked into it by my circle of eq1 buddies who fell prey to it. i left quick, but i could write another essay on why i hate it so much. but thats a bee hive i dont want to stir up.
i just think its kinda shitty that i have to defend this genre of games because of the WoW persona. pretty much every guy on earth plays some form of video game, and women now a days (farmville). When you talk to someone about the games they play you dont hear "OH MAN YOU PLAY MAG!? HAH! dork!" (random game picked from the top of my tv). its usually like OH DAMN ME TOO!!!! HIGH FIVE!
dont really know how to close this out, just kinda annoyed...
and back to the OP TOPIC!
i play females and males in games.
- male/ female depending on:
1. Classes
2. Armor
3. Emotes
4. Customization level
i use vent when im doing guild functions. everyone knows i have male and female toons. nobody cares. so... if your all bent out of shape over a guy playing a chick toon.... you might be homophobic...
I admit men are idiots, but women are no different, after all they are animals (sorry, human) too. The amount of girls who have only been interested in actually striking up a conversation with me just to get in my pants (including friends of past girlfriends and girls who are apparently in 'love' with someone) amazed me.
lol damnit one more post on this thread. sorry, I'm annoying today.
The reason I play female toons sometimes....The Diablo II sorceress. I like magic, and for some reason unless I'm playing a necromancer or someone who poisons and curses people or druid, I will pick a female elementalist of some sort, almost always. I guess it just depends on the class really and what feels right in the moment.
Seriously?
30 PAGES on this subject?
REALLY?
wtf people. . .Who CARES if someone is playing a different sex character! Besides, theres no girls on the internet anyway!
Just dudes, Chris Hansen, and the FBI
ffs you guys...
Watch out for her next request.
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"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2