Well then, here's a bit of truth from someone who used to play.
1) BW/Sorc are ridiculously OP as far as damage is concerned. However, they are attempting to fix it, but it's not actually gonna change anything. 2) City seiges are fail. They're laggy as hell and if you get any decent number of people playing in one area, it crashes. 3) PQs are a joke unless you are high above the level or a solo class. 4) The contribution system in PQs is flawed. Contrary to popular belief, your damage/healing means squat. Just get the killing blow on everything and you'll be #1 every time. Tried, tested and proven by me. I did ZERO support damage in a PQ and just waited and farmed killing blows. I was top every time. 5) Fortress sieges are a joke. You get enough AoE at the top of the stairs and the attacks will never get through. 6) Instead of working on bug fixes, the devs are more concerned with making sure dyes make you look the prettiest.
I could go on and on, but my point is made. WAR is a failure all around and I'm glad to see that's they're starting to close their doors. First it will be overseas, then in the US. It's like a bomb effect underwater; the pressure blows the water outwards, but after a while it all implodes back into itself.
NEWS FLASH! PAYING THE SUB IN F2P = NO DIFFERENCE THAN P2P GAMES!
But after seeing it at launch and leaving due to "ghost towns", getting disgusted with grindy Aion, stomach churning boredom in WoW, impersonal "is there anybody else really playing this game" EVE, I came back and was pleasantly surprised. Balance is better, there ARE new players coming in....maybe not a rush...but coming aboard, (my guild is comprised solely of new players), and am having a blast. Issues that still remain force you to figure out ways to get around it. (balance for example) Strategy actually counts for something in PVP, and that's all I do. (it's not always a zerg fest thank goodness), It's addicting and would be at a lose to find something else atm to fill that craving if it should shut down.
My two cents.
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not?" --Patrick Henry
But after seeing it at launch and leaving due to "ghost towns", getting disgusted with grindy Aion, stomach churning boredom in WoW, impersonal "is there anybody else really playing this game" EVE, I came back and was pleasantly surprised. Balance is better, there ARE new players coming in....maybe not a rush...but coming aboard, (my guild is comprised solely of new players), and am having a blast. Issues that still remain force you to figure out ways to get around it. (balance for example) Strategy actually counts for something in PVP, and that's all I do. (it's not always a zerg fest thank goodness), It's addicting and would be at a lose to find something else atm to fill that craving if it should shut down.
Yeah, you overreacted. Read your comment and you'll see. And you really miss what's going on. I'll spell it out.
This game is the walking dead.
There will be no "third faction."
There will be no rebirth.
Soon people will be talking about this game in the same breath as Tabula Rasa. And fans like you with your personal comments on people expressing their own views about this game is part of the reason why this game tanked. You're just as hardheaded as the former CEO Jacobs, lol. You don't like honest criticism and you can't stand hearing the truth about it.
You guys didn't like it in Month 2 and 3 and you hate hearing "We told you so" now.
The game will be closed this year, so please, don't spend what little time you have defending it or pvping here. Go enjoy the game by all means. I have no idea why some of you love to pvp here instead of the game. Maybe it's easier to actually find opponents or maybe you're getting tired of getting facerolled in the same scenarios when you do finally queue.
People DO like crappy things and purchase them all the time whether its cars or MMOs that is a fact. Don't act like this game hasn't had the vast majority of people vote with their wallets and found it lacking. It's crappy... that YOU like it doesn't mean I'm implying you are slow, or somehow a person who like polyester pants and Ford Escorts. But if you take it that way, you might think about the shoe fitting and all that jazz.
But yeah, we know you took it personal. That's pretty obvious, lol. Again, you will find something to better fill your days when it closes, don't worry. There is real life after mmos, you know.
You should read up on the Sophists and read your text again. I did not express any view regarding third faction et cetera. So that has nothing to do with me.
Nor did I attack the fact that you presented your opinion about the game but the fact that you in a very derogatory way described those that liked it. Hence YOU expressed an opinion about people playing a game that you do not even play (psychologically one can ask what that tells about you).
Once again you do not see the world as a multitude of opinions but that one opinion is right and another is wrong. As if me actually liking WAR atm more than other MMOs is somewhat factually wrong. You need to check your argumentation.
In one of the final paragraphs you then do a 180 degree turn and claim that the text above is not what you actually mean.... You need to think before writing.
Moving these players to the US servers seems like a good idea to me. WAR is the kind of game that needs many players and filling up the US servers with asians should make the game funnier for those who plays there.
Still, it is not a good sign, I wish EA would give Mythic some more resources and hire in someone really competent as new boss. Split up the factions into 3 and change the endgame to be more interesting.
It would cost a bit of money but it would be worth it in the long run. Running a game with minimal devs like now is risky, improving it is a better way to get more players.
In one of the final paragraphs you then do a 180 degree turn and claim that the text above is not what you actually mean.... You need to think before writing.
When I read what you wrote, I sometimes think you're right and I'll resub to Warhammer.
Then I realize that I was right all along and I just do a 360 from Mythic and walk away again.
Well then, here's a bit of truth from someone who used to play.
1) BW/Sorc are ridiculously OP as far as damage is concerned. However, they are attempting to fix it, but it's not actually gonna change anything.
2) City seiges are fail. They're laggy as hell and if you get any decent number of people playing in one area, it crashes.
3) PQs are a joke unless you are high above the level or a solo class.
4) The contribution system in PQs is flawed. Contrary to popular belief, your damage/healing means squat. Just get the killing blow on everything and you'll be #1 every time. Tried, tested and proven by me. I did ZERO support damage in a PQ and just waited and farmed killing blows. I was top every time.
5) Fortress sieges are a joke. You get enough AoE at the top of the stairs and the attacks will never get through.
6) Instead of working on bug fixes, the devs are more concerned with making sure dyes make you look the prettiest.
I could go on and on, but my point is made. WAR is a failure all around and I'm glad to see that's they're starting to close their doors. First it will be overseas, then in the US. It's like a bomb effect underwater; the pressure blows the water outwards, but after a while it all implodes back into itself.
Well then, here's a bit of truth from someone who CURRENTLY PLAYS. So, here's some criticism on some of your points and why you're wrong. (Not trying to sound like a douche or anything, just being honest)
1) BWs and Sorcs got their AoE nerfed...HARD in yesterdays patch. Their single-target got buffed in ways, some of which are too far, but that'll be balanced soon. So, yeah...they attempted to fix it...and yes it changed something.
2) City seiges have changed with yesterdays patch: No longer laggy unless your PC is made of cardboard. Also, it doesn't crash either. They're more fun than they were and I'm happy they changed the way they work.
3) PQs ARE soloable, even by non-solo classes (They have different difficulties tied to each of them now). You can solo an "Easy" one, and maybe a "Normal" one too, anything higher, you'll need 3-5 more players with you.
4) The contribution system was fixed a LONG time ago, not sure when you last played. Damage, buffing/ debuffing, healing all come into account with PQs, whether it be PQ-hubs, Keeps, Dungeons, ect.
5) Forts are out of the game, that happened a long time ago as well. They were a joke, as you said, but I'm hoping they'll look at them again. Possibly tie a Relic system to them from DAoC.
6) Bug fixes come every patch, it's only the big patches that add things like a fix to how dyes worked (yes, it's a "fix"), as well as balance fixes for abilities/classes.
So, there you have it. Warhammer's not dying because they're closing down in a region that doesn't like this type of game, they're closing it down there because Warhammer doesn't have Ninja classes, no cash shop, and everytime your female character does an ability, it doesn't sound anime-ish.
Last patch brought back A LOT of old players, as well as got some trial players to subscribe, that doesn't sound like a dying game to me, but believe what you want.
WAR needs an expansion. I don't know what EA and mystic are playing at but the rumour mill was that they would see some love once The Old Republic was on the shealves. No problem with that until you realise ToR isn't going to be out of another year. So thats another year before WAR starts to see a third faction, longer given it will probably take 6 months to see anything happen once they are given the go ahead.
By then I would be surprised if WAR is still going, with the up coming release of Warhammer 40k by a different team, with many of the WAR players I knew back when I played saying they would quickly jump ship of they could play 40k. Now these patches are all good, but I can't bring myself to return to WAR unless I saw something big. A new race or new classes or something to make me give it another shot.
It wasn't even that bad a game and had some nice features. It just needs to offer more than it currently does and with so much of it about PvP there needs to be a third faction to help balance it out. Plus the AOE damage of certain well known classes was a joke but thats being addressed. But even though that likely makes the game a lot more fun, without a breath of fresh air that often only comes with an expansion I can't see myself leaving AoC to go try it out again.
I completely agree with you Korithian, I think the game needs an expansion too. A 3rd faction is something that I'm sure Mythic/EA has thought about, just not sure if or when they'll add it. On the "Suggestion" forums, a lot of players have mentioned a 3rd faction and given many great reasons why it should be implemented. Mythic has had Devs post in these threads, so it's something they know the community wants at least, so we'll see.
I honestly think an expansion that focuses on some more PvE would be good, since this game needs more than it has. That way, it would cater to the players that enjoy PvE, and still have all the PvP that the game is known for.
As for the 40k MMO, I'm looking forward to it, but I'm trying not to get too hyped. I was VERY hyped about SW:TOR, until I saw the videos and learned more about the game. Now, I feel dissapointed because I built that game up in my head too much before seeing anything concrete. I like what THQ/Vigil said about keeping their expectations lower than normal as far as population goes, that's refreshing to hear from a developer and I hope to see other developers in the future speak with such honesty.
Boggles the mind really. This whole thread is ridiculous. I was on last night and the cities were full of people. There were warbands going in all Tiers and the Scenarios were popping like mad. This game is far from a ghost town. It's kind of sad really that people will come here to check on a game's status to make a decision on wether to come back to it or log into it for the first time and they see so many negative opinions of people who don't even play anymore.
Oh well. I'm having fun in the game and I love the open RVR and the Scenarios. So I guess it's all just based on opinion.
Let me finish by saying that I sat down with some friends and we went through 4 o 5 active MMOs before deciding on Warhammer and we're having a blast.
Everyone has their opinions about MMOs. I can assure you that the server I play on is FAR from dead.
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Well then, here's a bit of truth from someone who used to play.
1) BW/Sorc are ridiculously OP as far as damage is concerned. However, they are attempting to fix it, but it's not actually gonna change anything.
2) City seiges are fail. They're laggy as hell and if you get any decent number of people playing in one area, it crashes.
3) PQs are a joke unless you are high above the level or a solo class.
4) The contribution system in PQs is flawed. Contrary to popular belief, your damage/healing means squat. Just get the killing blow on everything and you'll be #1 every time. Tried, tested and proven by me. I did ZERO support damage in a PQ and just waited and farmed killing blows. I was top every time.
5) Fortress sieges are a joke. You get enough AoE at the top of the stairs and the attacks will never get through.
6) Instead of working on bug fixes, the devs are more concerned with making sure dyes make you look the prettiest.
I could go on and on, but my point is made. WAR is a failure all around and I'm glad to see that's they're starting to close their doors. First it will be overseas, then in the US. It's like a bomb effect underwater; the pressure blows the water outwards, but after a while it all implodes back into itself.
NEWS FLASH! PAYING THE SUB IN F2P = NO DIFFERENCE THAN P2P GAMES!
Why the hell can't the whiners comprehend this?
Yes it has many flaws.
But after seeing it at launch and leaving due to "ghost towns", getting disgusted with grindy Aion, stomach churning boredom in WoW, impersonal "is there anybody else really playing this game" EVE, I came back and was pleasantly surprised. Balance is better, there ARE new players coming in....maybe not a rush...but coming aboard, (my guild is comprised solely of new players), and am having a blast. Issues that still remain force you to figure out ways to get around it. (balance for example) Strategy actually counts for something in PVP, and that's all I do. (it's not always a zerg fest thank goodness), It's addicting and would be at a lose to find something else atm to fill that craving if it should shut down.
My two cents.
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not?" --Patrick Henry
Let's try this again, since a "possibly" biased Mod pulled my earlier reply, but left yours up.
I don't think this game will make it past this year.
Because in "reality", the numbers don't support it and EA didn't mention anything about an expansion.
Just enjoy it more while you can, less forum pvp.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Mine too
You should read up on the Sophists and read your text again. I did not express any view regarding third faction et cetera. So that has nothing to do with me.
Nor did I attack the fact that you presented your opinion about the game but the fact that you in a very derogatory way described those that liked it. Hence YOU expressed an opinion about people playing a game that you do not even play (psychologically one can ask what that tells about you).
Once again you do not see the world as a multitude of opinions but that one opinion is right and another is wrong. As if me actually liking WAR atm more than other MMOs is somewhat factually wrong. You need to check your argumentation.
In one of the final paragraphs you then do a 180 degree turn and claim that the text above is not what you actually mean.... You need to think before writing.
Moving these players to the US servers seems like a good idea to me. WAR is the kind of game that needs many players and filling up the US servers with asians should make the game funnier for those who plays there.
Still, it is not a good sign, I wish EA would give Mythic some more resources and hire in someone really competent as new boss. Split up the factions into 3 and change the endgame to be more interesting.
It would cost a bit of money but it would be worth it in the long run. Running a game with minimal devs like now is risky, improving it is a better way to get more players.
When I read what you wrote, I sometimes think you're right and I'll resub to Warhammer.
Then I realize that I was right all along and I just do a 360 from Mythic and walk away again.
"TO MICHAEL!"
If you do a 360, then you can only walk away... backwards
One of our representatives will contact you shortly and tell you what you've won.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Well then, here's a bit of truth from someone who CURRENTLY PLAYS. So, here's some criticism on some of your points and why you're wrong. (Not trying to sound like a douche or anything, just being honest)
1) BWs and Sorcs got their AoE nerfed...HARD in yesterdays patch. Their single-target got buffed in ways, some of which are too far, but that'll be balanced soon. So, yeah...they attempted to fix it...and yes it changed something.
2) City seiges have changed with yesterdays patch: No longer laggy unless your PC is made of cardboard. Also, it doesn't crash either. They're more fun than they were and I'm happy they changed the way they work.
3) PQs ARE soloable, even by non-solo classes (They have different difficulties tied to each of them now). You can solo an "Easy" one, and maybe a "Normal" one too, anything higher, you'll need 3-5 more players with you.
4) The contribution system was fixed a LONG time ago, not sure when you last played. Damage, buffing/ debuffing, healing all come into account with PQs, whether it be PQ-hubs, Keeps, Dungeons, ect.
5) Forts are out of the game, that happened a long time ago as well. They were a joke, as you said, but I'm hoping they'll look at them again. Possibly tie a Relic system to them from DAoC.
6) Bug fixes come every patch, it's only the big patches that add things like a fix to how dyes worked (yes, it's a "fix"), as well as balance fixes for abilities/classes.
So, there you have it. Warhammer's not dying because they're closing down in a region that doesn't like this type of game, they're closing it down there because Warhammer doesn't have Ninja classes, no cash shop, and everytime your female character does an ability, it doesn't sound anime-ish.
Last patch brought back A LOT of old players, as well as got some trial players to subscribe, that doesn't sound like a dying game to me, but believe what you want.
WAR needs an expansion. I don't know what EA and mystic are playing at but the rumour mill was that they would see some love once The Old Republic was on the shealves. No problem with that until you realise ToR isn't going to be out of another year. So thats another year before WAR starts to see a third faction, longer given it will probably take 6 months to see anything happen once they are given the go ahead.
By then I would be surprised if WAR is still going, with the up coming release of Warhammer 40k by a different team, with many of the WAR players I knew back when I played saying they would quickly jump ship of they could play 40k. Now these patches are all good, but I can't bring myself to return to WAR unless I saw something big. A new race or new classes or something to make me give it another shot.
It wasn't even that bad a game and had some nice features. It just needs to offer more than it currently does and with so much of it about PvP there needs to be a third faction to help balance it out. Plus the AOE damage of certain well known classes was a joke but thats being addressed. But even though that likely makes the game a lot more fun, without a breath of fresh air that often only comes with an expansion I can't see myself leaving AoC to go try it out again.
I completely agree with you Korithian, I think the game needs an expansion too. A 3rd faction is something that I'm sure Mythic/EA has thought about, just not sure if or when they'll add it. On the "Suggestion" forums, a lot of players have mentioned a 3rd faction and given many great reasons why it should be implemented. Mythic has had Devs post in these threads, so it's something they know the community wants at least, so we'll see.
I honestly think an expansion that focuses on some more PvE would be good, since this game needs more than it has. That way, it would cater to the players that enjoy PvE, and still have all the PvP that the game is known for.
As for the 40k MMO, I'm looking forward to it, but I'm trying not to get too hyped. I was VERY hyped about SW:TOR, until I saw the videos and learned more about the game. Now, I feel dissapointed because I built that game up in my head too much before seeing anything concrete. I like what THQ/Vigil said about keeping their expectations lower than normal as far as population goes, that's refreshing to hear from a developer and I hope to see other developers in the future speak with such honesty.
Boggles the mind really. This whole thread is ridiculous. I was on last night and the cities were full of people. There were warbands going in all Tiers and the Scenarios were popping like mad. This game is far from a ghost town. It's kind of sad really that people will come here to check on a game's status to make a decision on wether to come back to it or log into it for the first time and they see so many negative opinions of people who don't even play anymore.
Oh well. I'm having fun in the game and I love the open RVR and the Scenarios. So I guess it's all just based on opinion.
Let me finish by saying that I sat down with some friends and we went through 4 o 5 active MMOs before deciding on Warhammer and we're having a blast.
Everyone has their opinions about MMOs. I can assure you that the server I play on is FAR from dead.