Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
Seems people attach a feeling of competition when there is none.
And yes, i am talking about MMG's here.
But there is a competition for alot of people. Competition to have the best, have the most,, be the best and be revered amongst the people online, whether it is just your guild or the whole server. Alot of people still believe you can live out an alternate universe online and be whatever you wish to become. However, you are correct, this does not exist in most current mmorpg's ... its just a game.
Mount, gear whatever. The rep items will soon be meaningless. Doing the work to get it means nothing when someone can log in long enough to buy it in the CS and then log out. Yes i am one of the eliteist assholes that likes having something not everyone has because they just dont have the time or skill to play the game, thats why I no longer play LOTRO.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
Seems people attach a feeling of competition when there is none.
And yes, i am talking about MMG's here.
But there is a competition for alot of people. Competition to have the best, have the most,, be the best and be revered amongst the people online, whether it is just your guild or the whole server. Alot of people still believe you can live out an alternate universe online and be whatever you wish to become. However, you are correct, this does not exist in most current mmorpg's ... its just a game.
Mount, gear whatever. The rep items will soon be meaningless. Doing the work to get it means nothing when someone can log in long enough to buy it in the CS and then log out. Yes i am one of the eliteist assholes that likes having something not everyone has because they just dont have the time or skill to play the game, thats why I no longer play LOTRO.
Agree.
RMT in mmos is like playing high school baseball, and finding out the other team has added Jose Conseco and Alex Rodriguez to their team because they could afford it and didn't want to deal with the "grind" of learning to play the game themselves.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
For example, I have about 500 fraudulent e-mails in my inbox trying to steal my now cancelled WoW account, which would not be there if the lamers who buy gold hadn't created a market for these thieves. Ask a gold buyer and he will tell you why should I care if he buys gold? Ask me and the other honest players how we like the gold spam and the constant attempted fraud, and we will tell you it effects us.
Because people need to live their life and let others live theirs.
I've never bought gold or anything, but if I would, I wouldn't care if it did had an impact in you or anyone cause at the end I don't know you and I couldn't careless if you die of hemorrhoids tomorrow, I work for my money and I would never let anyone to tell me how to spend my money.
For example, I have about 500 fraudulent e-mails in my inbox trying to steal my now cancelled WoW account, which would not be there if the lamers who buy gold hadn't created a market for these thieves. Ask a gold buyer and he will tell you why should I care if he buys gold? Ask me and the other honest players how we like the gold spam and the constant attempted fraud, and we will tell you it effects us.
Because people need to live their life and let others live theirs.
I've never bought gold or anything, but if I would, I wouldn't care if it did had an impact in you or anyone cause at the end I don't know you and I couldn't careless if you die of hemorrhoids tomorrow, I work for my money and I would never let anyone to tell me how to spend my money.
Nothing personal, just saying.
I think it has more to do with integrity than money but maybe integrity will be available through RMT?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
Seems people attach a feeling of competition when there is none.
And yes, i am talking about MMG's here.
But there is a competition for alot of people. Competition to have the best, have the most,, be the best and be revered amongst the people online, whether it is just your guild or the whole server. Alot of people still believe you can live out an alternate universe online and be whatever you wish to become. However, you are correct, this does not exist in most current mmorpg's ... its just a game.
Mount, gear whatever. The rep items will soon be meaningless. Doing the work to get it means nothing when someone can log in long enough to buy it in the CS and then log out. Yes i am one of the eliteist assholes that likes having something not everyone has because they just dont have the time or skill to play the game, thats why I no longer play LOTRO.
Agree.
RMT in mmos is like playing high school baseball, and finding out the other team has added Jose Conseco and Alex Rodriguez to their team because they could afford it and didn't want to deal with the "grind" of learning to play the game themselves.
You cant really compare the 2 though. See in your example, that other team would be doing something typically against the rules by paying professional players to play on the team to give them an edge.
But in games with cash shops, its more like changing the rules so that high school baseball teams are allowed to raise money to hire pro players to help them thereby making it perfectly legal for them to do it. If they changed that rule, it would be the same as a game adding a cash shop. But because another team raised more money than you and hired the best, and you sat around talking about how you shouldnt have to do it and didnt raise any money and ended up with nobody to help you out, you lost all season long... and then cried about how they cheated (even though the rules have changed). They didnt break the new rules, they took advantage of them, meanwhile you didnt and continue to lose over and over again.
You see, just because you dont like a certain method, does not mean you can simply make up your own rules and apply them to every situation in life. YOU are not the developer of the game, someone else is, and that person is essentially god and makes their own rules for that game. If they say RMT/Cash Shop is part of the rules, anybody doing it is not in the wrong, the people complaining about others who ARE following the devs rules are in the wrong.
And FFS some of you people really need to get off the whole "instead of playing / learning to play the game" trip. Really, how much actual "skill" or "learning" does it take to master 99% of MMOs that are out there now? The majority of them play almost exactly the same, with a minor difference or 2, but essentially the same exact keyboard commands, math, etc involved. Do you really feel that skilled and intellectually superior because youre able to., well, do the same thing any 5 year old with a computer can do? Does it really take 200 hours of grinding to learn a game, but 100 hours = you haven't figured out how to play yet?
Do people who say this crap even know how cash shop games actually work, or do they still make the same ridiculous assumptions that somehow a cash shop can get you instant max level and uber gear without even playing the game, and all you do is login, charge your CC and bam you own everyone? News flash, cash shop items HELP you get there faster, they dont do it for you. The majority of games using cash shop have xp pots but you still need to grind your ass off just not quite as much, they give you increased loot drop rates but you still have to farm your ass off to get anything worthwile, and they give you things like equipment upgraders which are typically a slightly better CHANCE than ingame upgraders at improving your equipment, not instant "You received UBERLEET CHEST PIECE OF ROFLSTOMP EVERYONE +9000000".
For example, I have about 500 fraudulent e-mails in my inbox trying to steal my now cancelled WoW account, which would not be there if the lamers who buy gold hadn't created a market for these thieves. Ask a gold buyer and he will tell you why should I care if he buys gold? Ask me and the other honest players how we like the gold spam and the constant attempted fraud, and we will tell you it effects us.
Because people need to live their life and let others live theirs.
I've never bought gold or anything, but if I would, I wouldn't care if it did had an impact in you or anyone cause at the end I don't know you and I couldn't careless if you die of hemorrhoids tomorrow, I work for my money and I would never let anyone to tell me how to spend my money.
Nothing personal, just saying.
That's not the issue. The OP asked why one person would care what another person does. I gave an example why, even if it may not be important to you.
And I hate to break this to you, but as you get a bit older, other people will be telling you how to spend your money lol. Wife. Kids. Grandkids. The government. Business partners. Boy are you in for a shock. See how long you can hang on to that mine, mine all mine point of view.
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Stupid people need to be told they are stupid or they will remain stupid.
Actually it's ignorant people need to be told they are ignorant or they will remain ignorant. Stupid people are stupid because they have been taught but did not learn. The more you learn, the more you realize just how ignorant you truly are. But I digress
To the OP, I could care less, but there are those that feel some sense of self gratification after spending 40+ hours a week playing in a make believe, computer generated world, inspecting another player and saying, "man you suck cause my gears better than your gear." Maybe they need to go outside, drink a beer under that big, bright glowing mass in the sky that makes their skin burn and their eyes sting when gazed upon, and experience the thing most of us get away from for a little while to relieve the stress of that thing we call LIFE.
In other words, most that care about what others do with their time/money feel small, insignificant, empty and need a GAME to fill a void in some deep dark scarry place in their very souls that they dare not gaze into.
Why do you care so much about what others type, when they type about what others do with time and money in an entertainment product?
Honestly I do not care.
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Stupid people need to be told they are stupid or they will remain stupid.
Actually it's ignorant people need to be told they are ignorant or they will remain ignorant. Stupid people are stupid because they have been taught but did not learn. The more you learn, the more you realize just how ignorant you truly are. But I digress
To the OP, I could care less, but there are those that feel some sense of self gratification after spending 40+ hours a week playing in a make believe, computer generated world, inspecting another player and saying, "man you suck cause my gears better than your gear." Maybe they need to go outside, drink a beer under that big, bright glowing mass in the sky that makes their skin burn and their eyes sting when gazed upon, and experience the thing most of us get away from for a little while to relieve the stress of that thing we call LIFE.
In other words, most that care about what others do with their time/money feel small, insignificant, empty and need a GAME to fill a void in some deep dark scarry place in their very souls that they dare not gaze into.
Hmm something like those who probably feel small, insignificant, empty and need to spend their days posting in forums belittling others to pump thier own ego. Maybe you too need to go outside, drink a beer under that big, bright glowing mass in the sky that makes their skin burn and their eyes sting when gazed upon, and experience the thing most of us get away from for a little while to relieve the stress of that thing we call LIFE. Just sayin :P
I care only if they are getting an advantage with money/breaking the rules. So if it is a P2P game and they are buying gold/items/characters I care, because it is against the rules and is giving them an unfair advantage.
I only refer to developer sanctioned things.
Which is what the rest of my post that you snipped out talked about, and discussed how I won't play those games because yes it matters what other people do.
Basically from how I've seen this post go, you asked your question in as vague a way as you could come up with. This was likely to prevent a steady stream of responses that directly confilcted with your personal thoughts because different people read the question differently and thus responded about different things.
As people respond back you either quote their entire post and use 1 line that doesn't even address what they're saying, or you pick out just part of their post that you find easy to respond to.
Basically you don't want discussion, you don't care what others think. What you want is for people to agree with you and to not judge you when you buy a bunch of items in a game. Good for you, but don't post it in a place that is for discussions when you don't want to discuss it.
You like to spend you money on pointless items in a game when developers let you, you probably plan on spending a lot on LotRO when it switches over, but for some reason it bothers you that other people are bothered by that fact. Several of us have explained why, and all of our posts say similar things. So the reason why people care should be obvious to you by now.
This pretty much sums up this thread for anyone who doesn't care to go through and read it. The OP prefers RMT and feels like it doesn't have an impact on others who play the game.
Personally, while I do agree with others that it can ruin immersion when you see the cash shop item, and that it can divert time and resources from making new content like raids or whatnot, to instead make cash shop items; at the same time I'm not too upset over this, and I will play a game if the game is good and the RMT is reasonable.
If you sell items in an item shop I think it should also be reasonable to obtain the equivalent in the game (especially if there is a subscription fee!!). And SOEs live player thing where you can sell gold, characters, and items actually seems like an okay deal to me, since they have a facilitated place to do it I'd imagine they don't have much competition with gold spammers and the like. And if you actually take the time to earn things in game you will also earn knowledge and experience about the game that cash shoppers might not.
My 2 cents.
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RMT in mmos is like playing high school baseball, and finding out the other team has added Jose Conseco and Alex Rodriguez to their team because they could afford it and didn't want to deal with the "grind" of learning to play the game themselves.
You cant really compare the 2 though. See in your example, that other team would be doing something typically against the rules by paying professional players to play on the team to give them an edge.
I find it funny that you say this here, but then in your next paragraph completely nullify it.
But in games with cash shops, its more like changing the rules so that high school baseball teams are allowed to raise money to hire pro players to help them thereby making it perfectly legal for them to do it.
I'm pretty sure this is exactly what Zorv.... eyeswideopen was saying. Not that the other team was cheating, just that they had more money to afford the pro players (if it was legal).
If they changed that rule, it would be the same as a game adding a cash shop. But because another team raised more money than you and hired the best, and you sat around talking about how you shouldnt have to do it and didnt raise any money and ended up with nobody to help you out, you lost all season long...
This section was a little hard to follow so I'm going to break it down to make sure I understand correctly.
So the high school baseball league changes the rules so professional players can be hired instead of using students. Got it. Then a school with less money. Lets say Beverly Hills vs. Oh... I don't know, Belden, CA. Now you used the reason that the other school was lazy, but what if they weren't lazy, just simply poor and can't afford a 5 million dollar contract for a pro player while the other school can.
Remember, the post you quoted never said anything about cheating.
So the poor team loses all season long, and the rich team wins. How is this fun for either side? Where's the competition? Where's the fair play?
and then cried about how they cheated (even though the rules have changed). They didnt break the new rules, they took advantage of them, meanwhile you didnt and continue to lose over and over again.
You say here again that the losing team is crying about cheating, or breaking rules (the contradiction to your first sentence) but you're failing to realize that eyeswideopen never mentioned cheating, just being able to afford better players.
Again I ask, how would this be fun for either team?
You see, just because you dont like a certain method, does not mean you can simply make up your own rules and apply them to every situation in life.
YOU are not the developer of the game, someone else is, and that person is essentially god and makes their own rules for that game. If they say RMT/Cash Shop is part of the rules, anybody doing it is not in the wrong, the people complaining about others who ARE following the devs rules are in the wrong.
You're exactly right here. But someone has the right to complain if they're been paying for a service for X number of years, and then it is completely changed into something different.
For example: Lets say you've been in a bowling league for a number of years. All of your friends are in the bowling league and you've had a ton of fun that whole time, the fee until this year was $50 for the year. This year when you go to sign up you see that you still have to pay the $50 for the league but there's more options now.
It looks like now you can pay to only have 5 pins instead of 10 for $20 per game. Effectivley doubling your score.
You can use a larger than normal ball for $10 per game.
You can pay $200 to get a strike per frame.
You can pay $100 to re-bowl your last ball. Etc.
What I listed above here is effectivley what adding RMT does to MMO games. You simply can not argue that adding these options does not effect the game or have an impact on other players. It does, just like in MMO games.
Sure, you can quit. But now you have to find another activity to do with your friends even though you all love bowling and some of the most memorable moments with them had been at the bowling alley. So you either suck it up and Pay to Win or complain.
If you take option 3, do nothing and just leave, then the people making the rules will never know everyone's not happy with the changes, and next thing you know you can't do any activities with your friends because everything is RMT.
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A little late to the discussion, but here's my 2 cents.
To the direct question of 'Why...' = I don't.
To the ensuing debate, RMT's are fine so long as what they sell is 'fluff', vanity pets, house furniture, decorative wear, etc. I have no issue with it.
I do see other's point of view of a problem where the items in those shops can alter the gameplay interaction with others, meaning stat gear, or stat boosters, things that can give an advantage (tends to be aimed more at PvP). Even though I see that point of view, it does not mean I subscribe to it as again it would not affect me because I know it is there and I know they'd have an advantange over me but I will still not buy it nor care that they did.
Buying gold offline, powerleveling or gear is most certainly a cheat and against the rules and regulations of most games' EULA, though not fully policed. And yes, the game companies decide what's against their rules so no point in getting philosophical about the 'greed' of it all.
This is all MY opinion and is not subject to fact or truthfulness. Yours will/won't differ but that's ok because if everyone had the same viewpoint on everything, it'd be one hell of a boring planet.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
I agree so much. Anyone who post something they think would be cool to see in an MMO and you will get 50 post of people saying "NO IT SUCKS NO ONE WILL PLAY IT THEN BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA." Just get over yourselves and be constructive to the post.
In an unrelated post in this thread: Also where is the drinking of alcohol banned on Sundays. In some states the sale is but that doesn't stop the drinking of it. Hell what do you think they are drinking from the chalice in a catholic church?
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Well in my honest opinion if something is not a direct affect on my play time, or experince than i really don't care what people do with their time or money. An example of this would be buying a vanity pet, or outfit from a cash shop, it looks nice and gives some immersion, but it really doesn't break anything for me. Where people say that things in a cash shop should be obbtainable in game, then that should go both ways as i can see it, and so you can buy everything in the shop from content to gear, even quests. Where pay to win games are concerned i don't play them as i am not a competive person, and don't find it fun or relaxing to play such as game, but some do so i keep my distance. If someone buys thheir toon it is fustrating, even annoying, but it is more that they are the ones i see more offen then not complain about how boring the game is, and how there is no content in the game. I always say to them that they skippped a good chunk of the content and fun when they bought their toon. I could careless that they bought it, just that they had the gull to complain when they had seen so little of what there was in the game. My opinions are not the norm, but they are my opinions so they are not right or correct just how i think.
one of my first posts as this was an interesting thread so i gave my two cents.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
I agree. If someone wants to play a "forced grouping" game, people shouldn't try to control them, and just let them play that and have fun.
if someone wants to play a "solo friendly" game, then people shouldn't try to control them, and just let them play that and have fun.
Why would you want to control someoone, and tell them they MUST play one or the other, or like one instead of the other?
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
You seem to be quite paranoid and irritated by this discussion.
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I do? Or are you just avoiding the question by makeing a strawman?
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
You seem to be quite paranoid and irritated by this discussion.
Hmm? Why?
I'm neither upset nor paranoid. I simply made an observation, and I'm not the first to have made it in this thread.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
well technically it does. indirectly.
Not to go off topic.
But no, no it doesn’t. It is simply someone trying to impose there own will on others when it has zero impact on others, usually because they themselves do not have the strength character, or willpower to avoid such temptations. Its paranoia to think it "indirectly" affects you, by virtue of it being not impact full, or so statistically improbable its not worth worrying about.
Just like some gamers.
I think you've defeated your own argument here.
It seems you're saying the game hasn't changed, by adding some feature, if players can avoid temptation.
But if you've added "tempetation" as you call it, obviously you HAVE changed the game.
It's like saying, yes we added perma death.
But if you pretend you didnt' die, we changed nothing!
You're saying, I added temptation to the game, but if you pretend I DIDN"T ad temptation, then the game hasn't changed!
Yes, if you pretend a change didn't happen, then it doesn't affect you. If the ad perma death, and you pretend you didn't die and start all over again, and you pretend your first level character is actually 50th, then of course the change didnt' affect you.
But, you probably dont' have much of a sense of reality in that case.
The game has changed - if you want to talk in those literal terms - but the game to you hasn't changed if you can resist that new temptation. It's not "pretending." Temptation is something intangible (it is determined by your wants and your strength of character), while perma-death is quite tangible indeed (your character is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. There's nothing abstract about that).
if the game hasn't changed, then there is no new temptation.
If there is a new temptation, then the game has changed.
I'm using the OP's word, "temptation".
But in reality it's not a "temptation".
it's a game feature.
Games dont' ad "temptations" they ad features.
Either the feature exists, or it doesn't.
If you ad a feature, you change the game, simple as that.
If the game is changed, it is changed for ALL players, not just players that use the feature.
The game design IS what it IS.
The player has ZERO control over the game design.
You can delete your character every time you die, as if there was a perma death feature in the game.
You could say, well, if you "resist the temptation" to revive that character, it's a perma death game!
No, it is you pretending you are playing a perma death game, but in fact the game has no such feature.
Same with a cash shop.
You could say "well, if you don't buy anything from the cash shop, it's not a cash shop game!"
No, that's you pretending a cash shop is not in the game, even though one exists.
You cannot change the game design.
Only the developer can ad or take away features. The features exist, whether you use them, or not.
Sure, you can pretend the game has not changed, but YOU have no control over that. Your imagination doesn't make a cash shop exist, or not exist.
I think you went to crazy town again.
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For the most part, I am a large proponent of the live and let live ideology. I do get disappointed though when players begin to act a certain way, and then developers try to cater to those folks, which does indirectly impact my game play experience as the gameplay elements I enjoy are slowly phased out. Not a huge deal for me. I try to find enjoyment in a number of different activites.
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Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
You seem to be quite paranoid and irritated by this discussion.
Hmm? Why?
I'm neither upset nor paranoid. I simply made an observation, and I'm not the first to have made it in this thread.
I don't care if you like RMT or not, t was never the point of the thread.
You are paranoid. Im not "out to get you".
Please stop trolling the thread becouse any dicussion of RMT sends you into a rage and you look down on thoes that may enjoy what they bring or, dosn't care about it as it dosn't affect them.
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For the most part, I am a large proponent of the live and let live ideology. I do get disappointed though when players begin to act a certain way, and then developers try to cater to those folks, which does indirectly impact my game play experience as the gameplay elements I enjoy are slowly phased out. Not a huge deal for me. I try to find enjoyment in a number of different activites.
I guess to those that can’t also use this philosophy, have a hard time treating games as entertainment, instead of life defining moments or replacement reality.
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Mount, gear whatever. The rep items will soon be meaningless. Doing the work to get it means nothing when someone can log in long enough to buy it in the CS and then log out. Yes i am one of the eliteist assholes that likes having something not everyone has because they just dont have the time or skill to play the game, thats why I no longer play LOTRO.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Agree.
RMT in mmos is like playing high school baseball, and finding out the other team has added Jose Conseco and Alex Rodriguez to their team because they could afford it and didn't want to deal with the "grind" of learning to play the game themselves.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
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Because people need to live their life and let others live theirs.
I've never bought gold or anything, but if I would, I wouldn't care if it did had an impact in you or anyone cause at the end I don't know you and I couldn't careless if you die of hemorrhoids tomorrow, I work for my money and I would never let anyone to tell me how to spend my money.
Nothing personal, just saying.
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Somehow I didn't end up in the thread I thought I clicked on.
I think it has more to do with integrity than money but maybe integrity will be available through RMT?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
You cant really compare the 2 though. See in your example, that other team would be doing something typically against the rules by paying professional players to play on the team to give them an edge.
But in games with cash shops, its more like changing the rules so that high school baseball teams are allowed to raise money to hire pro players to help them thereby making it perfectly legal for them to do it. If they changed that rule, it would be the same as a game adding a cash shop. But because another team raised more money than you and hired the best, and you sat around talking about how you shouldnt have to do it and didnt raise any money and ended up with nobody to help you out, you lost all season long... and then cried about how they cheated (even though the rules have changed). They didnt break the new rules, they took advantage of them, meanwhile you didnt and continue to lose over and over again.
You see, just because you dont like a certain method, does not mean you can simply make up your own rules and apply them to every situation in life. YOU are not the developer of the game, someone else is, and that person is essentially god and makes their own rules for that game. If they say RMT/Cash Shop is part of the rules, anybody doing it is not in the wrong, the people complaining about others who ARE following the devs rules are in the wrong.
And FFS some of you people really need to get off the whole "instead of playing / learning to play the game" trip. Really, how much actual "skill" or "learning" does it take to master 99% of MMOs that are out there now? The majority of them play almost exactly the same, with a minor difference or 2, but essentially the same exact keyboard commands, math, etc involved. Do you really feel that skilled and intellectually superior because youre able to., well, do the same thing any 5 year old with a computer can do? Does it really take 200 hours of grinding to learn a game, but 100 hours = you haven't figured out how to play yet?
Do people who say this crap even know how cash shop games actually work, or do they still make the same ridiculous assumptions that somehow a cash shop can get you instant max level and uber gear without even playing the game, and all you do is login, charge your CC and bam you own everyone? News flash, cash shop items HELP you get there faster, they dont do it for you. The majority of games using cash shop have xp pots but you still need to grind your ass off just not quite as much, they give you increased loot drop rates but you still have to farm your ass off to get anything worthwile, and they give you things like equipment upgraders which are typically a slightly better CHANCE than ingame upgraders at improving your equipment, not instant "You received UBERLEET CHEST PIECE OF ROFLSTOMP EVERYONE +9000000".
That's not the issue. The OP asked why one person would care what another person does. I gave an example why, even if it may not be important to you.
And I hate to break this to you, but as you get a bit older, other people will be telling you how to spend your money lol. Wife. Kids. Grandkids. The government. Business partners. Boy are you in for a shock. See how long you can hang on to that mine, mine all mine point of view.
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Actually it's ignorant people need to be told they are ignorant or they will remain ignorant. Stupid people are stupid because they have been taught but did not learn. The more you learn, the more you realize just how ignorant you truly are. But I digress
To the OP, I could care less, but there are those that feel some sense of self gratification after spending 40+ hours a week playing in a make believe, computer generated world, inspecting another player and saying, "man you suck cause my gears better than your gear." Maybe they need to go outside, drink a beer under that big, bright glowing mass in the sky that makes their skin burn and their eyes sting when gazed upon, and experience the thing most of us get away from for a little while to relieve the stress of that thing we call LIFE.
In other words, most that care about what others do with their time/money feel small, insignificant, empty and need a GAME to fill a void in some deep dark scarry place in their very souls that they dare not gaze into.
Why do you care so much about what others type, when they type about what others do with time and money in an entertainment product?
Honestly I do not care.
--John Ruskin
Hmm something like those who probably feel small, insignificant, empty and need to spend their days posting in forums belittling others to pump thier own ego. Maybe you too need to go outside, drink a beer under that big, bright glowing mass in the sky that makes their skin burn and their eyes sting when gazed upon, and experience the thing most of us get away from for a little while to relieve the stress of that thing we call LIFE. Just sayin :P
This pretty much sums up this thread for anyone who doesn't care to go through and read it. The OP prefers RMT and feels like it doesn't have an impact on others who play the game.
Personally, while I do agree with others that it can ruin immersion when you see the cash shop item, and that it can divert time and resources from making new content like raids or whatnot, to instead make cash shop items; at the same time I'm not too upset over this, and I will play a game if the game is good and the RMT is reasonable.
If you sell items in an item shop I think it should also be reasonable to obtain the equivalent in the game (especially if there is a subscription fee!!). And SOEs live player thing where you can sell gold, characters, and items actually seems like an okay deal to me, since they have a facilitated place to do it I'd imagine they don't have much competition with gold spammers and the like. And if you actually take the time to earn things in game you will also earn knowledge and experience about the game that cash shoppers might not.
My 2 cents.
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A little late to the discussion, but here's my 2 cents.
To the direct question of 'Why...' = I don't.
To the ensuing debate, RMT's are fine so long as what they sell is 'fluff', vanity pets, house furniture, decorative wear, etc. I have no issue with it.
I do see other's point of view of a problem where the items in those shops can alter the gameplay interaction with others, meaning stat gear, or stat boosters, things that can give an advantage (tends to be aimed more at PvP). Even though I see that point of view, it does not mean I subscribe to it as again it would not affect me because I know it is there and I know they'd have an advantange over me but I will still not buy it nor care that they did.
Buying gold offline, powerleveling or gear is most certainly a cheat and against the rules and regulations of most games' EULA, though not fully policed. And yes, the game companies decide what's against their rules so no point in getting philosophical about the 'greed' of it all.
This is all MY opinion and is not subject to fact or truthfulness. Yours will/won't differ but that's ok because if everyone had the same viewpoint on everything, it'd be one hell of a boring planet.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
I agree so much. Anyone who post something they think would be cool to see in an MMO and you will get 50 post of people saying "NO IT SUCKS NO ONE WILL PLAY IT THEN BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA." Just get over yourselves and be constructive to the post.
In an unrelated post in this thread: Also where is the drinking of alcohol banned on Sundays. In some states the sale is but that doesn't stop the drinking of it. Hell what do you think they are drinking from the chalice in a catholic church?
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Well in my honest opinion if something is not a direct affect on my play time, or experince than i really don't care what people do with their time or money. An example of this would be buying a vanity pet, or outfit from a cash shop, it looks nice and gives some immersion, but it really doesn't break anything for me. Where people say that things in a cash shop should be obbtainable in game, then that should go both ways as i can see it, and so you can buy everything in the shop from content to gear, even quests. Where pay to win games are concerned i don't play them as i am not a competive person, and don't find it fun or relaxing to play such as game, but some do so i keep my distance. If someone buys thheir toon it is fustrating, even annoying, but it is more that they are the ones i see more offen then not complain about how boring the game is, and how there is no content in the game. I always say to them that they skippped a good chunk of the content and fun when they bought their toon. I could careless that they bought it, just that they had the gull to complain when they had seen so little of what there was in the game. My opinions are not the norm, but they are my opinions so they are not right or correct just how i think.
one of my first posts as this was an interesting thread so i gave my two cents.
I agree. If someone wants to play a "forced grouping" game, people shouldn't try to control them, and just let them play that and have fun.
if someone wants to play a "solo friendly" game, then people shouldn't try to control them, and just let them play that and have fun.
Why would you want to control someoone, and tell them they MUST play one or the other, or like one instead of the other?
Makes no sense.
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
You seem to be quite paranoid and irritated by this discussion.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I do? Or are you just avoiding the question by makeing a strawman?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Hmm? Why?
I'm neither upset nor paranoid. I simply made an observation, and I'm not the first to have made it in this thread.
I think you went to crazy town again.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
For the most part, I am a large proponent of the live and let live ideology. I do get disappointed though when players begin to act a certain way, and then developers try to cater to those folks, which does indirectly impact my game play experience as the gameplay elements I enjoy are slowly phased out. Not a huge deal for me. I try to find enjoyment in a number of different activites.
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I don't care if you like RMT or not, t was never the point of the thread.
You are paranoid. Im not "out to get you".
Please stop trolling the thread becouse any dicussion of RMT sends you into a rage and you look down on thoes that may enjoy what they bring or, dosn't care about it as it dosn't affect them.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I guess to those that can’t also use this philosophy, have a hard time treating games as entertainment, instead of life defining moments or replacement reality.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me