People are stupid, so you have to point it to them....
Um so? Let them be stupid they paid there 15 bucks too if they wish to be stupid let them be, if you want to be a royal asshole I will let you be, I dont care, I will ignore you and thats it.
Some one brought up that since people pay for an inferior product it effects you... Well sorry to tell you that it is your opinion and your opinion means squat/nothing/nada/a fart in the wind. If they found it ok, while it might not of had what you wanted well it provided entertainment for them. If it has a certain mechanic in it that people like and they still play it well great, if it is missing something and they still play it, well its there 15 bucks or what ever it cost so why do you even care, there are other games out there for you to play. So go on with your life and let people who like to play game A play and enjoy game A and you can go and enjoy game Z or what ever game you play.
And for the sparkle ponny, meh who cares, hell they can sell you the shield of destroy all and I could care less, as long as I can rez and get away I am good, now if they sell you a shield of destroy my account well differet story but I doubt they sell that lol.
So dont care what people do with there money and the game they play, why should I? It is there 15 bucks or 50 bucks for the sparkle ponny, they earned the money they can spend it the way they want.
Only time i get bothered by it is when it is a clear disadvantage to others in witch case I blame the game company.
example is that lame MMO called Archlord. if you have big bucks you rule period. those of us that refuse to spend money on chantra are screwed period. So games that have micro transaction systems that require you to pay up in order to have anykind of chance pisses me off!
If you ad a cash shop to a game that did not have a cash shop before, you have changed the game.
You're argument is, just pretend the game hasn't changed.
In that case you can play Hello Kitty, and pretend you're playing Darkfall.
Why pretend?
The game is what it is.
If it has a cash shop, it's a cash shop game.
If it has perma death, it's a perma death game.
If it doesn't have a cash shop and charges a sub, then it's a P2P game.
Why would you pretend a game is different than thte actual features that are in it?
If it has a cash shop, and you don't like cash shops, then don't pretend there's no cash shop, play a P2P game.
If you like cash shops, play a cash shop game.
If you like forced grouping, play a forced grouping game.
If you like solo friendly games, play a solo friendly game.
if you can't find a game you like, don't play.
How about you play a P2P game, and pretend your 14.95 a month is really being spent in a cash shop? There you go! Now every game is a F2P game with a cash shop, just for you!
News Flash!
WoW is free to play with a cash shop. If you pretend your sub actually paid for items!
Same as your argument.
A cash shop doesn't affect you. If you pretend it isn't there!
I think you went a little town crazy. Spewed a whole bunch of words just to say just play what you like to play and that's that. If you really paid attention to Bloodworth, you'd see he isn't arguing anyting, just adding fuel to an existing fire. Just not one he created, he only placed the kindling.
Someone mentioned vanity. Hell, we're all a little vain here, posting and arguing over games and such. Methinks Thou dost protest too much.
If you ad a cash shop to a game that did not have a cash shop before, you have changed the game.
You're argument is, just pretend the game hasn't changed.
In that case you can play Hello Kitty, and pretend you're playing Darkfall.
Why pretend?
The game is what it is.
If it has a cash shop, it's a cash shop game.
If it has perma death, it's a perma death game.
If it doesn't have a cash shop and charges a sub, then it's a P2P game.
Why would you pretend a game is different than thte actual features that are in it?
If it has a cash shop, and you don't like cash shops, then don't pretend there's no cash shop, play a P2P game.
If you like cash shops, play a cash shop game.
If you like forced grouping, play a forced grouping game.
If you like solo friendly games, play a solo friendly game.
if you can't find a game you like, don't play.
How about you play a P2P game, and pretend your 14.95 a month is really being spent in a cash shop? There you go! Now every game is a F2P game with a cash shop, just for you!
News Flash!
WoW is free to play with a cash shop. If you pretend your sub actually paid for items!
Same as your argument.
A cash shop doesn't affect you. If you pretend it isn't there!
I think you went a little town crazy. Spewed a whole bunch of words just to say just play what you like to play and that's that. If you really paid attention to Bloodworth, you'd see he isn't arguing anyting, just adding fuel to an existing fire. Just not one he created, he only placed the kindling.
Someone mentioned vanity. Hell, we're all a little vain here, posting and arguing over games and such. Methinks Thou dost protest too much.
The OP has argued in many, many, many threads, that pay to play is the ONLY system that MMORPGs should use, and EVERYONE has to like it, because in his opion cash shops ONLY affect people that buy items in them.
Perhaps you haven't seen his previous threads, but I have.
Of course it's a goofy argument, because the rules of the game affect everyone that plays it.
they care. Thats the reason why they whine so much about new MMOs not having a Harsh DP.
Well you have access to the harshest DP (Delete your character on death)
is that hard to self apply if you want Harsh DP? nope,
but those same people only want Harsh DP when it affects others
.........
The reason I want a harsh death penatly is so that people that are lazy, rude, kids, morons, etc. are forced to learn how to skillfully use their character and also learn how to socialize with others in a positive manner.
If the death penatly is harsh, then you will either be forced to become a non-moronic noob or you will not advanced.
Otherwise... people like you (and by your question alone I know you suffer from a low IQ) will end up grouping with people like me and ruining the experience.
I think you went a little town crazy. Spewed a whole bunch of words just to say just play what you like to play and that's that. If you really paid attention to Bloodworth, you'd see he isn't arguing anyting, just adding fuel to an existing fire. Just not one he created, he only placed the kindling.
Someone mentioned vanity. Hell, we're all a little vain here, posting and arguing over games and such. Methinks Thou dost protest too much.
The OP has argued in many, many, many threads, that pay to play is the ONLY system that MMORPGs should use, and EVERYONE has to like it, because in his opion cash shops ONLY affect people that buy items in them.
Perhaps you haven't seen his previous threads, but I have.
Of course it's a goofy argument, because the rules of the game affect everyone that plays it.
I know, but I believe his 'arguments' are only to evoke the wanted response he desires. Feeding the flames only lets him enjoy the game even further, no matter the logic thrown.
Besides, I enjoyed the constructed argument you made, was only having a little fun at your expense. No harm, no foul?
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
In MMOs, you do impact me, since we share the world. You, being a dumb kid will end up grouping with me in an mmo and ruin my experience by acting like a noob jerk. Or, you may use real life dollars to purchase uber gear and kill me in pvp, not from skill, but because you threw real life cash into your character.
Do as you will shall be the whole of the law, until you tread on my toes, and then I'll break your face.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I do care if the cashshop or gold buying gives someone a advantage over me.
Example being the practice of cash shop free to play games that sell items that give an advantage i cant otherwise get. Or a game where buying high level items via a gold seller where i cant buy it ingame is another advantage, this is especally true in games where items dont in some way go away.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Because there simply a lot of people out there who like to upset others, an and alter identity on the internet brings it out in them as they know they wouldn't suffer the same consequences they would by acting like that in real life group of people have a discussion.
The OP has argued in many, many, many threads, that pay to play is the ONLY system that MMORPGs should use, and EVERYONE has to like it, because in his opion cash shops ONLY affect people that buy items in them.
Absolutely untrue, and simply full of assumptions because you dislike the principle of the idea. I'm not your enemy. I enjoy both systems, and there is room for both. Considering this topic was not JUST about F2P, should have clued you in.
You should maybe drop your preconceived notions if you want to participate.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I do? Or are you just avoiding the question by makeing a strawman?
I already answered the question (I think? it is kind of vague) and you keep throwing around the term straw man I'm starting to wonder if you know what it even means. Considering you haven't thrown up any other fallacy terms and that your spelling is terrible I'm not sure.
Anyway it seems like you were championing the idea that people shouldn't care about people who buy cash shop items, because the people who posted saying they didn't care about cash shops you would jump in and agree.
But at the same time you just made a new thread saying you enjoy the flat fee subscription model. So I give up on trying to figure out your threads. If you're just trolling, good troll I guess. You did manage to get people riled up.
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The OP has argued in many, many, many threads, that pay to play is the ONLY system that MMORPGs should use, and EVERYONE has to like it, because in his opion cash shops ONLY affect people that buy items in them.
Absolutely untrue, and simply full of assumptions because you dislike the principle of the idea. I'm not your enemy. I enjoy both systems, and there is room for both. Considering this topic was not JUST about F2P, should have clued you in.
You should maybe drop your preconceived notions if you want to participate.
While I only enjoy P2P games, I have nothing against people that enjoy cash shop games.
EQII has come up with the best solution ever. Separate servers. One server for people that like cash shop games, and one server for people that prefer to play subscription based games.
I think there will always be people that won't play your game, because of your payment model.
There will be people that would play yoru game if they could buy items, but not if they can't. And there will be people that would play your game if no cash shop is in the game, but not if there is one.
If there are enough of those people to make a server profitable, then it's a no brainer to ad both kinds of servers to your game.
If you think a subscription server would lose money, or a cash shop server, then dont' make one.
WoW should upen up cash shop servers.
I think they would make even MORE money, if that is possible.
Oh!
One last part of the equation. Does your cash shop server take money away from your sub based server?
There is something to consider for WoW. The player that is paying 15 bucks a month now, but would dump the sub, and play the game for free on a cash shop server, and not buy any items.
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If it has zero impact on me, I couldn't give a rat's a$$.
I guess you were just pointing out the obvious....mmk thx.
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Just had to point out a few things:
People are stupid, so you have to point it to them....
Um so? Let them be stupid they paid there 15 bucks too if they wish to be stupid let them be, if you want to be a royal asshole I will let you be, I dont care, I will ignore you and thats it.
Some one brought up that since people pay for an inferior product it effects you... Well sorry to tell you that it is your opinion and your opinion means squat/nothing/nada/a fart in the wind. If they found it ok, while it might not of had what you wanted well it provided entertainment for them. If it has a certain mechanic in it that people like and they still play it well great, if it is missing something and they still play it, well its there 15 bucks or what ever it cost so why do you even care, there are other games out there for you to play. So go on with your life and let people who like to play game A play and enjoy game A and you can go and enjoy game Z or what ever game you play.
And for the sparkle ponny, meh who cares, hell they can sell you the shield of destroy all and I could care less, as long as I can rez and get away I am good, now if they sell you a shield of destroy my account well differet story but I doubt they sell that lol.
So dont care what people do with there money and the game they play, why should I? It is there 15 bucks or 50 bucks for the sparkle ponny, they earned the money they can spend it the way they want.
Oh and nice post Mrblood enjoyed it quite a bit.
Only time i get bothered by it is when it is a clear disadvantage to others in witch case I blame the game company.
example is that lame MMO called Archlord. if you have big bucks you rule period. those of us that refuse to spend money on chantra are screwed period. So games that have micro transaction systems that require you to pay up in order to have anykind of chance pisses me off!
I think you went a little town crazy.
Spewed a whole bunch of words just to say just play what you like to play and that's that. If you really paid attention to Bloodworth, you'd see he isn't arguing anyting, just adding fuel to an existing fire. Just not one he created, he only placed the kindling.
Someone mentioned vanity. Hell, we're all a little vain here, posting and arguing over games and such. Methinks Thou dost protest too much.
The OP has argued in many, many, many threads, that pay to play is the ONLY system that MMORPGs should use, and EVERYONE has to like it, because in his opion cash shops ONLY affect people that buy items in them.
Perhaps you haven't seen his previous threads, but I have.
Of course it's a goofy argument, because the rules of the game affect everyone that plays it.
I think you are a narcissist. Somone that thinks everything is about you.
People want a harsh death penalty because it affects them, not you.
They don't care if you play WoW, or hello kitty.
Why do you think it's about you?
I know, but I believe his 'arguments' are only to evoke the wanted response he desires. Feeding the flames only lets him enjoy the game even further, no matter the logic thrown.
Besides, I enjoyed the constructed argument you made, was only having a little fun at your expense. No harm, no foul?
People just naturally like to push their opinions unto others.
Like music. Or religion :P
Do as you will shall be the whole of the law, until you tread on my toes, and then I'll break your face.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
If they are doing something that has zero impact on me (that is, doing something else than playing videogames), i don't care at all.
Simple answer.
I do care if the cashshop or gold buying gives someone a advantage over me.
Example being the practice of cash shop free to play games that sell items that give an advantage i cant otherwise get. Or a game where buying high level items via a gold seller where i cant buy it ingame is another advantage, this is especally true in games where items dont in some way go away.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Because there simply a lot of people out there who like to upset others, an and alter identity on the internet brings it out in them as they know they wouldn't suffer the same consequences they would by acting like that in real life group of people have a discussion.
Absolutely untrue, and simply full of assumptions because you dislike the principle of the idea. I'm not your enemy. I enjoy both systems, and there is room for both. Considering this topic was not JUST about F2P, should have clued you in.
You should maybe drop your preconceived notions if you want to participate.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I already answered the question (I think? it is kind of vague) and you keep throwing around the term straw man I'm starting to wonder if you know what it even means. Considering you haven't thrown up any other fallacy terms and that your spelling is terrible I'm not sure.
Anyway it seems like you were championing the idea that people shouldn't care about people who buy cash shop items, because the people who posted saying they didn't care about cash shops you would jump in and agree.
But at the same time you just made a new thread saying you enjoy the flat fee subscription model. So I give up on trying to figure out your threads. If you're just trolling, good troll I guess. You did manage to get people riled up.
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GPU: GeForce GTX 770, CPU: i7-4790K, Memory: 16 GB RAM
While I only enjoy P2P games, I have nothing against people that enjoy cash shop games.
EQII has come up with the best solution ever. Separate servers. One server for people that like cash shop games, and one server for people that prefer to play subscription based games.
I think there will always be people that won't play your game, because of your payment model.
There will be people that would play yoru game if they could buy items, but not if they can't. And there will be people that would play your game if no cash shop is in the game, but not if there is one.
If there are enough of those people to make a server profitable, then it's a no brainer to ad both kinds of servers to your game.
If you think a subscription server would lose money, or a cash shop server, then dont' make one.
WoW should upen up cash shop servers.
I think they would make even MORE money, if that is possible.
Oh!
One last part of the equation. Does your cash shop server take money away from your sub based server?
There is something to consider for WoW. The player that is paying 15 bucks a month now, but would dump the sub, and play the game for free on a cash shop server, and not buy any items.
How many of those are there?