Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan.
MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today.
Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
Simply not true. They've dropped 150k in the past year (and a bit), and appear to be still falling. More recent figures have indicated a futher drop from 350k to around 200k, although that is unvarified. Likewise the distrubution is not even across the world, not even close. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but its completely wrong.
Simply not true. They've dropped 150k in the past year (and a bit), and appear to be still falling. More recent figures have indicated a futher drop from 350k to around 200k, although that is unvarified. Likewise the distrubution is not even across the world. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but its completely wrong.
Sadly grape is correct they are also merdging the servers and iv seen talk about possibly merging the mergers if they don't hold pop.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Simply not true. They've dropped 150k in the past year (and a bit), and appear to be still falling. More recent figures have indicated a futher drop from 350k to around 200k, although that is unvarified. Likewise the distrubution is not even across the world, not even close. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but its completely wrong.
"... during the third week of April (2009), the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!"
2 million active characters would assume close to as many accounts right? Not defending either way, I wish it was easier to tell how a game is doing population wise anyhow.
It was over a year ago, but exceeding for the first time after several years seems to demonstrate growth not death.
Simply not true. They've dropped 150k in the past year (and a bit), and appear to be still falling. More recent figures have indicated a futher drop from 350k to around 200k, although that is unvarified. Likewise the distrubution is not even across the world. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but its completely wrong.
Sadly grape is correct they are also merdging the servers and iv seen talk about possibly merging the mergers if they don't hold pop.
well it skinda expected to lose subs with ff14 on its way ffxi is very outdated
Alts on one account or multiple accounts? Like many Eve folks do?
Not sure about Eve, as i've never played, but those terms mean different things in FFXI land.
A lot of people duel boxed and had an alt account to do so.
On those accounts, we had 5 or 6 mules to store items and to level crafts. Most mules were not alts, they were just left as level 1 mules and not leveled.
Alts on one account or multiple accounts? Like many Eve folks do?
Not sure about Eve, as i've never played, but those terms mean different things in FFXI land.
A lot of people duel boxed and had an alt account to do so.
On those accounts, we had 5 or 6 mules to store items and to level crafts. Most mules were not alts, they were just left as level 1 mules and not leveled.
In EVE, there's only a 3 char per account limit. But then again, there is no storage limit, so you don't need mules. And skill system is a lot different in EVE.
Well, now there's enough comments for the "SE defense force"/"fanboys" comments to begin! Time to get the hell out before that happens.
Weren't you one of the Captains of the Guard? I kid I kid.
The usual.. "Here's my opinion on what I've seen." Followed by.. "Ur opinions unMurcian ya commie!"
Still some good points made.
I don't understand the crafting system needing anything more than the components to make something, and then if you're feeling snarky a % chance for the thing to fail being made. I don't think it's as complicated as it is pointless. I don't craft anyway so that's moot.
Really I think I can deal with the weird quest design and traveling if the combat has been improved from what I've seen in the past. Really that's the only point of a MMORPG. Meet up with some like minded slayers of time and stuff.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
I am skeptical then, I highly doubt they will change much by release. Why would they design the game and last minute realise how awful FF11 controls were for PC then decide to change them.
That's an easy question to answer because Tanaka talked about it in an interview. Basically, they thought the controls for FFXI were what players wanted (I guess they never really paid attention to all the complaints) but once they got into beta the number one feedback they got was "Why aren't the controls more standard like other PC MMOs?" and they decided that in order to appeal to people who had more of a WoW background (Tanaka's words, not mine) that they were going to make some interface changes.
Now the fact that S-E thought the old controls were acceptable to most PC users is a topic worthy of many /facepalm emotes and pictures, but the fact that they listened to the feedback is at least a great sign. They'll probably never realize just how many players they lost in FFXI because of the crappy PC controls, but as long as it's fixed in FFXIV it's good. I think that fixing the small but constant irritations while keeping the soul of FFXI intact is the right approach and fixing the mouse interface is a great example of that approach.
Anyway, the only thing I'd like to add is I wish people would quit embarrassing themselves by constantly referring to the OP as a WoW fanboy or telling him to go back to WoW. I didn't see very much about the OP that suggests a fanboy of any type, more like some one who sees the negative in FFXIV rather than the positive. On the other hand there are many true fanboys here who probably could not admit that there was any thing wrong with FFXIV even if it looked and played like an etch-a-sketch.
All the OP really said with the "not a WoW killer" idea is that FFXIV is likely a niche type game, which IMO is probably true and IMO is also entirely a good thing. Not a single game that's positioned itself as a "WoW Killer" has so far succeeded, because there's no point in trying to duplicate a game that already exists. I don't really understand how that simple, almost indisputable idea can make people so angry that their brains shut off and they prefer to post cliches instead of discuss.
The OP has an overly negative outlook, sure, but you don't win any points for proving him "wrong" about a subjective opinion.
Basically, they thought the controls for FFXI were what players wanted (I guess they never really paid attention to all the complaints) but once they got into beta the number one feedback they got was "Why aren't the controls more standard like other PC MMOs?" and they decided that in order to appeal to people who had more of a WoW background (Tanaka's words, not mine) that they were going to make some interface changes.
Can you tell us the source please, I really want to read him say it myself. I can't believe I've missed it.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Basically, they thought the controls for FFXI were what players wanted (I guess they never really paid attention to all the complaints) but once they got into beta the number one feedback they got was "Why aren't the controls more standard like other PC MMOs?" and they decided that in order to appeal to people who had more of a WoW background (Tanaka's words, not mine) that they were going to make some interface changes.
Can you tell us the source please, I really want to read him say it myself. I can't believe I've missed it.
I'll try to dig it up. Unfortunately Tanaka has done so many interviews and most of them are like 95% the same as every thing else we've seen with maybe one new idea or piece of information in it. So it makes it a pain to go and find them and dig out the unique information.
I'll try to dig it up. Unfortunately Tanaka has done so many interviews and most of them are like 95% the same as every thing else we've seen with maybe one new idea or piece of information in it. So it makes it a pain to go and find them and dig out the unique information.
Lol, that's right. "What can you say about FFXIV?"
Tanaka: "Blablablah, GuildLeves blah. Blablah, Armoury system blah."
The man's a robot.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
xfire shows no one is play FF11 and thats the fact.
Only a minority of gamers use xfire. Yet another poor statement on your part.
I think it was a joke man.
I hope it was, seemed tarded enough to be funny.
I don't know why SE is listening to people/feedback they will just ruin the game doing that. (Sorry this is a refrence to an argument in the !swim/!jump threads, that basiclly attempted to claim that listening to player feedback is bad.) RElease the game with really bad PC controls ftw, its good that way feedback makes ur game bad.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
question, how are those xfire statistics taken and what are they based on?
do you have to be a member of xfire to "add" that ur playing so called game? or wat?
It tracks what games you are playing and for how long. The statistics are based off hours played.
It does more than that of course. I don't see why people feel the need to bash Xfire users. Not only does it serve as a instant messaging service that doesn't interrupt gameplay and overlays into your UI, it can be used to transfer files, create videos, voice chat, take screenshots, and all sorts of other neat things as well as see what your friends are currently playing, on what server, and on what ventrillo/TS channel if necessary.
The numbers are entirely useless for comparing subscription numbers to MMOs. Some communities like using Xfire more (especially FPS communities) and some games even come bundled with Xfire. Xfire can however be used as a good judge of a drop in subscription numbers and interest in the game if you view the chart over the last few months even if it's only a small statistical pool.
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Simply not true. They've dropped 150k in the past year (and a bit), and appear to be still falling. More recent figures have indicated a futher drop from 350k to around 200k, although that is unvarified. Likewise the distrubution is not even across the world, not even close. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but its completely wrong.
Sadly grape is correct they are also merdging the servers and iv seen talk about possibly merging the mergers if they don't hold pop.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Not sure what to make of this then - http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/0904/topics_all.html
"... during the third week of April (2009), the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!"
2 million active characters would assume close to as many accounts right? Not defending either way, I wish it was easier to tell how a game is doing population wise anyhow.
It was over a year ago, but exceeding for the first time after several years seems to demonstrate growth not death.
Not even close when many people have 5 or 6 mules. I had 6 myself.
Inventory space was always a huge issue since it was supposedly limited by the PS2.
Some of my personal friends had way more, as they used them as crafting mules.
Alts on one account or multiple accounts? Like many Eve folks do?
well it skinda expected to lose subs with ff14 on its way ffxi is very outdated
Not sure about Eve, as i've never played, but those terms mean different things in FFXI land.
A lot of people duel boxed and had an alt account to do so.
On those accounts, we had 5 or 6 mules to store items and to level crafts. Most mules were not alts, they were just left as level 1 mules and not leveled.
In EVE, there's only a 3 char per account limit. But then again, there is no storage limit, so you don't need mules. And skill system is a lot different in EVE.
Weren't you one of the Captains of the Guard? I kid I kid.
The usual.. "Here's my opinion on what I've seen." Followed by.. "Ur opinions unMurcian ya commie!"
Still some good points made.
I don't understand the crafting system needing anything more than the components to make something, and then if you're feeling snarky a % chance for the thing to fail being made. I don't think it's as complicated as it is pointless. I don't craft anyway so that's moot.
Really I think I can deal with the weird quest design and traveling if the combat has been improved from what I've seen in the past. Really that's the only point of a MMORPG. Meet up with some like minded slayers of time and stuff.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
I think you misunderstood me.
That's an easy question to answer because Tanaka talked about it in an interview. Basically, they thought the controls for FFXI were what players wanted (I guess they never really paid attention to all the complaints) but once they got into beta the number one feedback they got was "Why aren't the controls more standard like other PC MMOs?" and they decided that in order to appeal to people who had more of a WoW background (Tanaka's words, not mine) that they were going to make some interface changes.
Now the fact that S-E thought the old controls were acceptable to most PC users is a topic worthy of many /facepalm emotes and pictures, but the fact that they listened to the feedback is at least a great sign. They'll probably never realize just how many players they lost in FFXI because of the crappy PC controls, but as long as it's fixed in FFXIV it's good. I think that fixing the small but constant irritations while keeping the soul of FFXI intact is the right approach and fixing the mouse interface is a great example of that approach.
Anyway, the only thing I'd like to add is I wish people would quit embarrassing themselves by constantly referring to the OP as a WoW fanboy or telling him to go back to WoW. I didn't see very much about the OP that suggests a fanboy of any type, more like some one who sees the negative in FFXIV rather than the positive. On the other hand there are many true fanboys here who probably could not admit that there was any thing wrong with FFXIV even if it looked and played like an etch-a-sketch.
All the OP really said with the "not a WoW killer" idea is that FFXIV is likely a niche type game, which IMO is probably true and IMO is also entirely a good thing. Not a single game that's positioned itself as a "WoW Killer" has so far succeeded, because there's no point in trying to duplicate a game that already exists. I don't really understand how that simple, almost indisputable idea can make people so angry that their brains shut off and they prefer to post cliches instead of discuss.
The OP has an overly negative outlook, sure, but you don't win any points for proving him "wrong" about a subjective opinion.
Can you tell us the source please, I really want to read him say it myself. I can't believe I've missed it.
I'll try to dig it up. Unfortunately Tanaka has done so many interviews and most of them are like 95% the same as every thing else we've seen with maybe one new idea or piece of information in it. So it makes it a pain to go and find them and dig out the unique information.
Lol, that's right. "What can you say about FFXIV?"
Tanaka: "Blablablah, GuildLeves blah. Blablah, Armoury system blah."
The man's a robot.
xfire shows no one is play FF11 and thats the fact.
^ Made my point about xfire users being tools.
My theme song.
http://www.xfire.com/games/ff11o/Final_Fantasy_XI/
its very low but there still there!
Only a minority of gamers use xfire. Yet another poor statement on your part.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I think it was a joke man.
I hope it was, seemed tarded enough to be funny.
I don't know why SE is listening to people/feedback they will just ruin the game doing that. (Sorry this is a refrence to an argument in the !swim/!jump threads, that basiclly attempted to claim that listening to player feedback is bad.) RElease the game with really bad PC controls ftw, its good that way feedback makes ur game bad.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
its called statistics, go back to school and learn it.
You can BS it all you want, xfire number are useless and thats a fact.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
question, how are those xfire statistics taken and what are they based on?
do you have to be a member of xfire to "add" that ur playing so called game? or wat?
Are you sure you should be giving me academic pointers, or anyone for that matter?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Shameless quote for the finger condoms.
It tracks what games you are playing and for how long. The statistics are based off hours played.
It does more than that of course. I don't see why people feel the need to bash Xfire users. Not only does it serve as a instant messaging service that doesn't interrupt gameplay and overlays into your UI, it can be used to transfer files, create videos, voice chat, take screenshots, and all sorts of other neat things as well as see what your friends are currently playing, on what server, and on what ventrillo/TS channel if necessary.
The numbers are entirely useless for comparing subscription numbers to MMOs. Some communities like using Xfire more (especially FPS communities) and some games even come bundled with Xfire. Xfire can however be used as a good judge of a drop in subscription numbers and interest in the game if you view the chart over the last few months even if it's only a small statistical pool.