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If this game was a sandbox SW world that we as players can experience as if we were in that world. Then yes, I would be upset at this type of space combat shooter mini game in TOR. But this game is in no way a sandbox experience. It was never ment to be.
This game will be a SW experience like an interactive ride in a Themepark. They have created a world with a deep history that they are going to follow and create in this unknown space betweer KOTOR and the movies. We will be following a story arc for each class. This story arc will develope your character and skills based on your choice. At the same time there is a world story arc that each player takes part in if they wish. This will be the main MMO part of TOR. Flashpoints will be the treadmill group or solo quests and then you have different types of PvP, warzones and possibly open on PvP servers.
A space sim does not belong in a themepark story based game. I would love it in a sandbox and would say it would be required. But in a story based game with choice only effecting your character. It doesn't work well. I would rather have the Dev's continue to create more and more class story arcs as well as world arcs and flashponts. For those that want smugglers to smuggle and bounty hunters to have bounties to collect. Who is to say they will not be part of the class story arc? I doubt it would be PvP based unless it is in a warzone. But with 200 hours of story, it could be there.
The space shooter in hot spots is fine for this game. Not for a sim, and not for other games, but right for this one. It could be expanded on, but I don't think it will ever be a part of the main game.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
In all honesty, I really don't care either way about this news. I'm still excited to play the meat and core of the game, I was never really HOPING the game would have Space combat.... if it did, then bonus, if it had it and it was like X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, the double bonus!! But I never got my hopes up about the game even getting it, so for it to have it and now be like Star Fox is perfectly fine for me. And by the way.... Since when is Star Fox a bad game? When did that happen?
I couldn't care less about this news. I actually didn't expect any space combat at all in SW:ToR and I wasn't bothered by that. I'm interested in this game because it's a Star Wars game made by BioWare and I'm excited to experience decent storytelling at long last in an MMORPG.
I have EVE for my ship-based, sandbox fun and I will still be playing that along with SW:ToR when it releases. As for the Jump to Lightspeed expansion for SWG - I didn't like it. In fact I hated it. Comparing it to X-Wing v TIE Fighter is imho way off the mark.
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
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The author of this article is simply another one of those people who simply can't be happy with what BioWare is doing.
If the anouncement would of been free flight, the article would of been complaining that no capital ships were mentioned.
If capital ships were mentioned, they author would of complained that all this work into the space would of detracted from the ground game.
It's just a bunch of bs whining for the sake of whining, and it makes me laugh.
I hope this space combat can be skipped. I never liked on-rail shooters.
I completely agree with the article. I also prefer a spacecombat experience like JTL at a later stage, maybe as expansion , instead of this half assed attempt at launch.
I am totally cool with the direction Bioware is going and I think some people should give this a chance ...
Watch a Star Wars movie and tell me how much time is really even spent in space ... 10 -15 minuets tops ? Even the battle of the Death Star 2 in ROTJ only had about 15 mins total screen time ....
Most space battles in the films focus on one main fighter or person in space zooming in and out of combat and around big capital ships and past other fighters ... and visually I think that is what Bioware is trying to give us ala Return of the Jedi or Revenge of the SIth ....
The only time I remember any type of Dogfight was Obi Wan v Jango and Boba in Attack of the Clones ... and that mostly involved Obi running from Jango and zooming around huge asteroids ... and again I think thats what Bioware is trying to give us ...somthing that looks and feels EPIC ...
I am a big Star Wars fan and have been since I watched the first Star Wars when it came out and to me Space was never a major part of those films ...
And like others have said if you want to play a game like JTL ...go for it SOE would love to get your $15 ... I played SWG for 6 years from BETA and was part of several large guilds and knew plently of folks from others .... very few of them took the JTL side of the game seriously and ground was there #1 concern.
IF you want a space sim go play EVE,JTL or STO heck you get X-Wing v Tie Fighter on E Bay I think ... lol 11 mill or so peeps play WoW and there is no space there .... this game will be fine ...maybe the ones who keep slamming Bioware will not even play this game ...I suspect they will however ...
And I am not writting this because I am soley a Star Wars Fanboy.... I played WoW for 4 years as well and LOTRO for 1 year ... I even gave Aion and Champions Online a whirl ..
and as for the main article ... it seems biased and it seems every article on this site about SWTOR is out to slam the game or is written by someone who is out to prove there opinion ... not sure if this is because they get no exclusives, or are just more fans of fantasy games .... I mean heck I used to see more postive articles about Star Trek online and Champions Online here and we can see how those games turned out.
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The notion that because its in at release and its a very minute portion of the game, not connected to the rest, that it can't be changed later.The writer is silly in making that assumption.His main arguement is that they would "have" to throw away the mini game portion to implement some full space system, which is just retarded. Nothing stops them from keeping the mini game there for those that enjoy it, and also adding a more robust space game, considering the former is nothing more then a "snack" and not some major mechanic or feature you are overhauling.
Remember PVP in WoW when it launched? It was nothing. It was a joke, something to do during free time to mess around, all the TM/Southshore back and forths were just for fun.Did you cry too that since it was in this form at launch that it would never get expanded on later?Same thing here.
Thank god I only come to this site only for beta chances, the writing is just getting bad, and less and less objective. No worse then reading the forums.
Is it better than NOTHING?
YES!
Is it better than anything besides nothing?
NO!
Go figure.....
The more I hear, the more ambivalent about SW:TOR I've become.
A tunnel-shooter is definitely not what I was hoping for. I'm with the OP - I would rather have had Bioware leave out space combat entirely, than add a very shallow version of space combat that'll be seen more as a negative aspect of the game, instead of a positive.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
I don't understand why they can't have both. The rail shooter makes sense in a story driven game like TOR where the story is constantly being driven forward, but if they did decide to add more open world space flight later on why does that mean they have to ditch the rail shooter aspect all together? You can have open space for those people who want it but then when you enter certain instances and storyline quests it switches to a rail shooter.
I just think it is silly that you say one can't exist without the other.
I am curious as to why we are hearing all this doom and gloom about how SWTOR will fail. Yet I am not seeing any columns about how GW2 Dynamic system means nothing and rewards you even if you lose. Lets talk about how casual that game will be.
P.S For the naysayers go play Star Fox, and then come back.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Perhaps because thats not true in the slightest?
What if the combat on rails is fun and entertaining?
I judge no feature until I see how it plays out.
Again, played it. A decade ago when it released.
If Bioware can't come up with something better than a N64 game made 10+ years ago, I don't know what to tell you.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
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All I can ask is that some day we will have a true x-wing / tie fighter SW game.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Game is going from the most anticipated relasese to the most anticipated Fail.
a rail shooter..in space... under lucastarts? *hurk* Think I just threw-up a bit in my mouth.
It..Burns..
I think some people need to take a chill pill. To me, space in Star Wars is secondary anyway. I always liked the planets more than I did space. As well as the characters you meet, the stories and the creatures (from books, games and movies), I find them more interesting than space. I think the Star Wars games I enjoyed the most didn't involve but a bit of space.
The "Star" in Star Wars doesn't necessarily have to mean space, I take that as they are conflicts within star systems (meaning planets and the like). This has been spoken about before.
Now, again, I'll say just chill. I was happy just with what I had heard about the ground game so far, the space addition was just a little fun thing to do when I want to get away for a bit. So this news doesn't affect me, as for the people going "OMG, space on rails, this is a tragedy!", no, it's a game. This isn't EvE (thank god), this isn't JTL (again, thank god...lol), this is Bioware's baby. I'll take it for what it is when I play it.
damn lotsa heavy duty whines in here. You guys that are disappointed... do you know the effect you're having? You're trying to prevent advances in the industry you complain about not being innovative enough. Lets see what bioware does with this rail shooter before you try and poo poo it out of existence. I for one, like rail shooters that are done well, and if I spend my days playing the ground game I'm gonna eventually look for some alternative to change it up so I dont burn out so bad. If that alternative is in the same game then thats a bonus, not a drawback.
Also, from what I can imagine, a rail shooter would probably have more action and a lot less travel time between encounters. Ya gotta admit, flitting from one encounter to another over long space distances is really boring. even if the action is great when ya get there.
It seems a lot of people have forgotten that this is a KOTOR mmo. This game is a continuation of that series, and nowhere in that series did they have a X-wing vs Tie-Fighter thing going on. Expecting Bioware to put something like that in the game is pretty damn stupid. This isn't SWG, it isn't a XWvsTF mmo, it's a KOTOR mmo, period.
It's not a continuation of the series at all. They've never said that. What they have said is that they are trying to make a engaging MMO in the Star Wars universe following the old republic timeline. Your demonstration of misinformation makes it clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Thus your opinions are more likely to be inaccurate. Thanks for making it easier to ignore you.
Additionally, even if you were correct (which you aren't). You're logic is basically "this company made a game before. So it won't have anything new in it." Think that over a few times and now picture where the gaming industry would be today if no company EVER did anything original.
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
[mod edit - right Asmiroth20!] They are happy about getting a half assed feature in the game just because it's made by Bioware and because it's Star Wars. It's quite disgusting really, the fanbois that are happy with everything in this game are the same people that will make it fail by not voicing their opinions before it's released.
It's not a continuation of the series at all. They've never said that. What they have said is that they are trying to make a engaging MMO in the Star Wars universe following the old republic timeline. Your demonstration of misinformation makes it clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Thus your opinions are more likely to be inaccurate. Thanks for making it easier to ignore you.
Additionally, even if you were correct (which you aren't). You're logic is basically "this company made a game before. So it won't have anything new in it." Think that over a few times and now picture where the gaming industry would be today if no company EVER did anything original.
The quote is in this thread if you look for it. It said it was like they were making KOTOR 3,4,5......10 and beyond. Go back and read the thread. And TOR is bringing something new. A full RPG in an MMO. It has never been done the way BW is bring the story and choice having meaning in class progression.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
I'd seriously doubt that there isn't anyone here who is at least disappointed with one feature, even if they are looking forward to the game as a whole. Mine is companions in pvp, that's my biggest concern right now. Some people it's different. This bit of space content is either something to do other than the big ground game it's going to have or they might put more bigger space stuff out. Too early to tell.
Also, might want to look out about using that "r" word, got me a warning... Right, MikeB? lol
That was in reference to the size of the game. Not the content.
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.