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Ehh... I played Wow for more then 3 years and Bioware still has yet to show me how this isn't a solo game that they will charge me ~&15 a month if I don't finsh it fast enough.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
I think, maybe, there is a shift happening in mmorpgs... or at least the definition of them. A lot of these new mmos coming out are basically taking the concept of a console rpg or console action/adventure game and putting it in a persistent world with hundreds of players.
thats not an mmorpg. its just your favorite console game online. nothing wrong with that, theres some good stuff on the horizon that follows this formula.
but theyre def not mmoprgs, and a lot of ppl (myself included) are getting tired of having this type of content being passed as our favorite genre.
it needs a new sup-genre or something. and ffs lets get some devs to make a real mmorpg sometime soon.
You'll find out next year.
The way I see it if you hate WOW you'll hate TOR more, if it's the casualness of wow you hate, you'll especially hate TOR. I didn't really hate WOW, I didn't particularly like it either. I'm still looking forward to the continuation of the KOTOR story, more so than looking forward to playing TOR forever, unless it has decent PVP. Then things may be different.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Never mind, you guys editted my post because I used retard in it, lol. For a minute I thought you guys thought I was Asmiroth.
Its as if Im reading a comment from a couple of months ago. Well, Bioware cant force you to read all their interviews and watch all vids I guess.
It kind of depends why you dont like WoW, dont you think? Its also getting a little silly that ppl who are so eager to talk down on SW:TOR always use WoW as beating stick. With every single game.
For me being happy isnt about being a fan boy although i am a huge star wars fan ive read and own most of the novels and i own all the movies. that said I just am not into a sim type fighter games so being a rail shooter that has maybe a 2 pct impact on the overall game doesnt bother me.
My understanding is the rail shooter thing is a very small part of the experiance in swtor and most of it will be based around instances and questing like in most mmorpgs. Just u will be jedi and sith instead of mage and warrior. Im hoping the story is worth it. I dont know if it will be or not or if i will get tired of it by the third quest i do .
The companion system the player houseing on shipts, The classes and thte class specific stories are what im interested in. I didnt want a tie fighter sim type game anyways. When they add a star fighter pilot as a class then complain about rail fighter system as of now that doesnt exist. I just think getting really upset over a 2 pct of game content is useless.
My understanding also is swtor is more about fighting on ground on planets like hoth and nar shadda and doing pvp on places like alderanna with class specific races. This all seems pretty cool to me . I will admit of allthe new mmorpg ive read up on swtor is only number 2 in interest for me . Tera seems like its gonna rock and im actually a bit drawn to it for some reason .
truth is ill stay a wow player and probably get into swtor because i am a fan boy . But make no mistake the gameplay and the stores are gonna keep me playing. IF those dont add up in the end ill just go back to wow. But the rail system fighter pilot stuff doesnt really bother me . Like i said its like a 2 pct of gameplay. If that.
I have read most of them and keep up with darth hater. But when they mention group and friends in interviews they always enforce the point that they are just optional. I have played games where groups are optional and soloing gives nearly the same exp/loot. You know what happens in those games? No one talks to each other let alone group and I play MMORPGs for the MMO parts as well as RPG parts.
To me adding a solo ONLY space mini-game not only insults the part of me that likes SW/sci/Space combat but only the part of me that likes to interact with people in an MMO.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
I'm not sure if there is any real continuation to the KOTOR story. Although they share a similar setting, the two games are 300 years apart.
BioWare claims that TOR will be KOTOR 3, 4, 5, 6... etc. and I think that this is where a lot of people get confused. They are talking about the scope of the game as far as content, not the actual continuation of the story.
It star wars with no space fights... may as well just call it sci fi wars and be done with it and... the pools on there site are very sad! I CANT FUCKIN DPS WITH ONE LIgHTSABER WTF SKYWALKER!!!!! WTF
It's not silly at all. It's a known fact that BioWare is trying to emulate WoW. They've pretty much said so themselves. Also, the reason people use WoW in conparisson to TOR is because WoW is a game known by most MMO gamers.
Not trawling through twenty pages to find out if anyone else said it.
Did anyone else have the mental image of Jade Empire's mini-game with an X-Wing pasted over the flying machine?
Sad to say but the fans on the original site seems to mainly consist of World of Warcraft washouts.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Every Bioware game to date: Awesome.
Star Fox: Awesome.
Combined: Awesome x2.
I rest my case.
With Jump to Lightspeed being an entire expansion with the only thing being added being space I hope that Bioware does not solely focus on space as an expansion like SOE did. I think that SOE did a lot of right with SWG and I think they did a lot of wrong. I enjoyed space combat, but in no way was it my entire game. I'd of played Eve if I wanted super in depth space. I think however SWG original class design was brilliant, and I give credit where credit is due. Each MMo company has some learning time, and for the fact that they are including a space combat component at all in the game is pretty amazing to me. I am pretty stoked at everything they have mentioned so far, and I can't say this was upsetting at all and made me look forward to the game even more.
This is a bit from the article I posted ealier on storytelling in TOR:
Players of Knights of the Old Republic will remember the series of events that occurred several hundred years later, surrounding two Jedi known as Revan and Malak. “There are a lot of unanswered questions that fans had there,” Erickson says. “One of the big ones is, after Knights II, it’s made clear that Revan went back into deep space to address the issues of whatever had turned him and made things go bad in the first place. But they’re kind of vague about it. So we picked that up, and took it, and said that we’re going to answer that question.” In the first KoTOR Revan and Malak defied the orders of the Jedi Council, and entered into war against the Mandalorians. This triggered a series of events that would send Revan and Malak off into deep space. What players of those first games don’t know is what happened while they were away.
During their exile, they met the Sith and their dangerous emperor, who turned them to the dark side. The two former Jedi were sent back to the Republic to rediscover the ancient Star Forge, a powerful weapon created by the lost civilization of the Rakata. With the powerful weapon, the Sith emperor would be able to accelerate his plans to return and strike down the Republic. “They were supposed to be the forward scouts that set everything up for the emperor,” Erickson explains. “But, being Sith, they did what they normally do, and warred with each other. Messed everything up.” Malak betrayed and murdered Revan. Or so he thought. Revan was wounded, but not killed. In a controversial move, the Jedi council erased Revan’s memory, retrained him, and sent him out to defeat Malak. Malak was defeated, the Star Forge destroyed, and Revan proclaimed a hero. However, Revan had dark memories of the true evil facing the Republic, and he departed once again into deep space, seeking the Sith Emperor, and was never heard from again. So, will we find out Revan’s fate, along with the fate of the Exile from KoTOR II that followed him? “All of your KoTOR 1 and 2 questions will be answered,” Erickson promises.
This is a part of the world story arc, not your class story arc. But I am sure if you are sith or even jedi, you will learn much of this in your class story arc. And as far as group quests. The world story arc quests will be group required. Flaspoints may or may not scale to your party. Not sure about flaspoints. The info on the main site is mixed a bit.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
Frankly, this is a huge dissapointment. After all this is "STAR WARS". Space combat is a large part of "STAR WARS", So a on rails shooter seems very offensive to me. It's like a sick joke. Why don't they just rename the game to "Ground wars"...
Hi,,
Unfortunately as far as I can remember the Star wars game (except X wing and Tie fighter) were craps regarding the possibility of the star wars history.
It's time to break up the industrial logic on game and came back to creativity.
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Yes.
I can't believe that space is single player. For all the emphasis I and many others put on trying to show that this game is going to be a normal MMO, this is just making us and Bioware look silly.
A single player rail shooter. Oh boy....
Yeah I know I mean god, now that its in that means they can NEVER improve it.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Playing guild wars right now actually, Of the 6 million copies sold only about 200k actually play.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Maybe you don't realise this mr. Bitton, but a lot of people following this game don't give a crap about space combat in the first place, maybe you could accept that.
I voted "need more information"... Why? Because I do care about space combat, I'd like to have seen it be some fully fledged space sim (while I knew it wouldn't be), or having more freedom.
BUT the thing is: I've haven't seen the darn thing in action yet, and maybe yes, it might be a fun and cinematically relevant addition to the game, which can be build on in the future. So sure I'm disappointed, but I need to know more.
Together with Massively releasing an actual article based on leaked beta screenshots today and this piece of unmotivated opinion, I hope this does not mark a trend in Journalistic expression when it comes to this game.
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I am indifferent because space combat was never really my focus or reason for picking up this game. If they add more space combat fine, otherwise i would be more than satisfied playing the rich story driven experience that Bioware has to offer. A lot of SWTOR fans do not care about space combat as it has been proven by poll results on official forums.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho