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I don't think TOR is for you then. If space combat is your only interest then you better wait for Black Prophecy and Jumpgate Evolution.
You want a real space combat mmo? Check out Vendetta Online then. Nothing has come close to the combat system it uses, Black Prophecy and Jumpgate Evolution might when they're released though
Honestly I am disapointed. I won't go so far as to say that space is required but, I think for most of the true Star Wars fans it is a part of it. I know many people play Star Wars style games to BE at least pretend to BE that jedi or that smuggler or that bh and others want to BE that pilot, or like myself they want both. I personally think it would be awsome to have a game that you can fight your way into the dock/feild whatever you landed your ship at and then jump in fire up the engines and take off and break the blockade around the planet while you calculate your jump to light speed and I mean full on land not click a button and poof your on the ground and your ship is a picture in a terminal but am also aware that nobody yet has the desire to put that into a game or make a game like that but, they should. Rather like the scene when luke,ben,c-3po and r2 blast out of M.E aboard the falcon in a new hope.
Those that say it is fine on rails because that was the way it was in the movies, well if your gonna take that position then why not put the ground game on rails ? that is the way it was in the movies ... you had no control you were just a spectator. yeah that would not be fun now would it ?
For those that are going to say being able to land anywhere is not resonable I say oh plz, there are plenty of movies where they land a ship or a helicopter in a feild and off load the troops they don't go flying into the local airport/starport while it is under enemy control and ask them for landing clerance so they can off load the troops and attack their soldiers that would just be stupid. Hell luke landed his x-wing in a swamp, crash landed maybe but still not a starport any where in sight and on his folow up visit he did not crash into the swamp or did you think he left his x-wing in orbit and beamed down ? this is not star trek folks.
Is it a game breaker for me ? no. I will still play but, like most mini-games in todays mmo's the tunnel shooter will go ignored by me unless it is required to progress my charactor.
I agree with the other posters that if SOE can make a good flight part then it should be a walk in the park for bioware as all who played SWG know the only thing SOE was good at was messing things up.
Maybe you should take your own advice, your post shows enough lack of civility to indicate that might be a good course of action. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone, but there is no cause to be nasty.
There is a good cause to be nasty: someone doesn't like his game! The nerve of some people.
I always consider badgering people who are to inbred to think objectively for themselves, and yet still post on the internetz to be the highest of causes.
That being said, accosting people for doubting BioWare (one of the few game companies that have never made a bad game...ever) is well within this purview.
Lest we all forget that SWG never had space combat at release, jedi, or even vehicles or mounts for that mater, and honestly, I never thought that SWG space combat was that great. It consisted mostly of flying from waypoint to waypoint along with your token escout missions. There wasn't even any real traveling done between planets as it was all pretty much done from a flight terminal at the starport.
I think the biggest deal is simply the fact that we're forgetting this is just the base game here. I'd rather BioWare play it safe with content for the base game and fine tune all the bugs and glitches then for them to take the Vanguard route by promising way more than they can deliver. Who's to say there won't be full featured space combat (hopefully that can actually be done halfway decently with a mouse and keyboard) at some point in the future?
I actually stop tracking this game after reading the report in PC Gamer, I only got excited after finding out that it would be a space shooter as well, but Star Fox Seriously. Its not much but they already lost one potential customer!
The real truth is, they probably didn't have that customer anyway, so they didn't really lose anything.
People "suddenly" changing their minds after information on a tunnel shooter surfaces where, originally, a large portion of the population didn't expect to have any content, is a farce. Anyone who seriously considered playing the game before wouldn't change their mind here, simply because they based their decision on what was shown before and that hasn't changed.
Same thought here!!!
Whatever
Says that I have played the KOTOR series and disagree with the authors points completely, and believe that his biased opinion is unfounded.
So Bioware the great innovators. Have basically made R-Type in 3d and skinned it with Star Wars? Getting less interested in this game with each new update. So disappointing, i was so excited.
Why would this get you less excited? A few weeks ago you had no real idea Space was in anyway shape or form going to be included in this game.
Thank god there's at least one rational human being in this thread. Absolutely nothing has changed about what we were promised. You can't be excited for the game before this and suddenly not excited now because nothing is different between then and now.
The day this game was announced I figured I would end up buying it. But I still wanted to be sure that it wouldn't be a waste of money. As information started surfacing I became more and more interested. The day that Bioware announced there would be space combat in the game, I would have pre-ordered it immediately. I never considered the fact that it would be a rail shooter though. This is a huge disappointment and now I've decided that I wouldn't pre-order the game. I'll wait and see how things look before I decide. I may even wait for a beta invite or free trial before I buy the game.
I have absolutely zero interest in a rail space shooter. This is the biggest fail I've seen involved with this game so far. Someone at Bioware or LA dropped the ball on this one IMO.
Actually there were a pretty decent amount of people who, at first, ignored the game because of them hinting at there being NO space combat. Then they said there was space combat, and people became interested again.... now seeing what the space combat is, theyre not happy again.
Maybe you can't grasp the fact that the famed IP's name is "Star Wars" and the movies and cartoons had healthy, important doses of space combat. Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, Clone Wars cartoons, etc.
SWG got nasty reviewer remarks when it came out in '03, and one of the worst common gripes about it was not having space combat.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I can't believe Bioware is shooting itself in the foot with this. People don't seem to get that this isn't suposed to be *some* Star Wars game, where things like space combat or proper lightsaber duels can be overlooked or dumbed down.. this is THE definitive Galaxy Far Far Away rendition in form of a MMO. There is simply no room for dumbing down here, and can not be excused, especially with a budget of 150M.. They should have left the whole space part out and release it, properly "when its done", as a expansion, perhaps using the independant space-ground Infinity engine. I said I can't believe this is happening because it was Bioware who so many years ago delivered to us the first sandbox RPG, Baldur's Gate, that let you go everywhere, when you wanted. And today they try to limit our choices by putting us back on rails? More than that, they are not even going to improve on the old SWG combat? Backward evolution was never wise, and will never be. Every article about TOR in past weeks, and every video released say only one thing about the devs. They want money, not quality of experience. First WoW with lightsabrer vids, then space combat on railtracks.. sigh.
My Guild Wars 2 First Beta Weekend "reviewette" : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4944570/thread/349125#4944570
Then its obvious my point holds true. If they were interested in the game before space combat was announced then nothing *should* change because the core of the game will stay the same. If space combat is what makes them interested in this title, then they are looking at it for the wrong reasons. This was never meant to be a space battle focused game. I think they can give you a great star wars flight experience with the model they have chosen.
Most peoples problem with this feature is that they've never played a tunnel shooter before, and all they hear is "on rails" and count it as being too restrictive. To that I'd say, if they are telling you the combat is similar to rogue squadron, go check out videos on rogue squadron and see what this engine could allow for --- both in its current state and in the future. Then wait and see it before dismissing it entirely.
Them rails are made of gold.
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/space-combat
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
space combat looks great to me.
Forget about 'True Space Combat'. I don't give a Mynoc's Wart about True Space Combat. If you have true space combat, then you are going to get less story out of the game, and this game is designed, ground up, to deliver dramatic story. Turning the Space Combat into a Skill Game is going to ruin potential awesome storylines, like crashing your ship into a larger ship, or diving your way into the mouth of a giant worm. I mean, how lame would it be to have your character DIE because your skill at piloting just wasn't as good as your characters?
By taking away rails (scripted) space combat, you take away the power from Bioware to create dramatic situations. Relying on players to be at a zone or fighting the right target to have a planned event go off is a nightmare to do. It'll turn what should be exciting resolution/climaxes into snoozefests.
Keep it on the rails. We don't need free form space combat. Other games will do it better, will be more dedicated to it, and free form space combat takes away from the story.
Star Wars without Stars (a ridiculous railshooter) and without Wars ( no open pvp) I hope (last hope) we'll have a bit of Old Republic in this Clone wars with sub ^^ Couldn't imagine SWG made by SOE could be better than SWTOR made by Bioware. ^^ MMo's world is really fun. World of epic fails.
Funny how many people jump on people that play Wow and then come here and post how much they are looking forward to this game.
If you have not figured it out yet, this is just another theme park, basically a Wow in space. You are basically looking at two factions so beyond battlegrounds you won't see much balanced pvp.
I just don't see anything innovative about this game, they just are trying to do it better than others have before them using pretty much the same design.
I am not saying this game won't do well, but don't come here praising this game and bashing Wow, there is little difference between them. Bioware knows what Blizzzard has been successful at and will not deviate far from that model.
So you can bet if you got bored with Wow, it won't take you long in Bioware's new game either.