I have to agree. I am also very sick and tired of the crying. If anyone is so fed up with this game then by all means go here and make your own. You can make your own game using the UT III development tools for free. Put your skills where your tears are wittle babies and prove yourself.
Good point here similar to what I've been saying. How does the fact that it is "Star Wars" warrant the negativity surrounding the inclusion of this feature. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall this much negative feedback regarding the fact that SWG launched without a space component at all. This to me is simply a step in the right direction, since we are going to be lucky enough to see two different star wars mmo's in our time for them to have even this "light" version of space combat is regardless of how you look at it a step beyond what SOE was able to do for launch.
I'm not in disagreement with any sentiment that "yes it would have been nice to have a space component as full as JTL from launch." but we're seeing articles and constant complaining which is far too often quick to throw JTL into the conversation which is unfair to say the least.
I agree, and to clarify. I also agree it would have been great to get something more, for those who wanted it. It just turns out that we didn't. IMO we as a whole should be more worried about the overall package. That may be an unfair way of thinking, but it is how I actually feel.
To often companeis have listened to this type of outrage pre-launch and made changes dooming the entire product. I would hope Bioware won't be stupid enough to do that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The reason people are up in arms about this, is because if they include such a half-assed space combat at launch, the likelihood of getting a better version down the road is virtually nil. As opposed to SWG where it launched with none to begin with, which gave them time to develop a good one and release it later.
Most people would prefer none at launch, and a good one later, to a crappy one from launch til the game dies several years down the road.
Yes, it is 100% plausible that they can and will upgrade it at some point, but is it realistic to think they will? Not really. That all depends on how much time, money and resources were invested in creating the rail-shooter in space that we're getting.
Don't get me wrong, i still plan on playing this game, hopefully for at least a year or two. I just think the whole pitch at E3 about "owning your own spaceship" sorta got everyone's hopes up, only to be dashed when this was shown/announced. I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
Personally speaking I'm looking forward to this kind of space combat, normally I hate flying around aimlessly as you can in most space combat games, at least with this version it's non stop action.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
True and on top of those three you'll find ten who don't care either way.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
True and on top of those three you'll find ten who don't care either way.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
Most people would prefer none at launch, and a good one later
Who is most people? 45% are unsure about space combat, they need more information, 28 like it and 26 don't. 2% lead for like, tiny gap, but most people insists it's over 50%.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
Nobody but the people saying "I was expecting JTL" or "I wanted JTL".
But the games you listed, that wouldn't be a bad idea, but just how many would cry about being in an instanced box with no exploration? A lot of the complaints come from habitual complainers so I'd say it wouldn't impress much. Besides you don't know what is more appealing, other than the poll I listed, which shows a 2% lead for people that are happy with it.
Smartest thing for BioWare to do is keep what they've shown, people need to shut up, nothing is going to change, and BioWare can think about adding new forms of space combat down the line. Folding to a bunch of morons who've never developed a game themselves is a bad idea.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
I can guarantee you hand down that People would be whining as much as they are now even it would have been like RS or BF2. They would be whining that they are enclosed in a box and cant explore and bla bla bla.
You cant please everyone. Also looking at the Polls People are 50/50 about it so I think they struck Gold with it.
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
I think that's the point though, it's really not meant to be amazing, it's a mini game more akin to an arcade experience than anything. Which isn't meant to be intelligent, deep, immersive or so on and so forth, it's meant to be simple fun.
The sound for one was well done, as were the graphics IMO and the game-play looked crisp. Does a rail-shooter appeal to you or I, no, for different reasons of course.
On the other hand people who enjoy this type of thing, might get something they feel is of quality and fun. Will everyone? No you can't expect anything more really.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So wait... they took Star Fox gameplay, set it in the SWTOR era, added updated (gorgeous) visuals, may be integrating ship upgrade rewards, and is completely optional to play or not play? Sounds like a bona fide mini-game in an MMO, and I'm loving it!
Would full-on space exploration be nice, sure, but I think think this is a great addition to a game that gets better-sounding every week.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
I can guarantee you hand down that People would be whining as much as they are now even it would have been like RS or BF2. They would be whining that they are enclosed in a box and cant explore and bla bla bla.
You cant please everyone. Also looking at the Polls People are 50/50 about it so I think they struck Gold with it.
Sure, people will always find something to complain about but I think that it's pretty safe to say that most would've preferred direct control over their ship even if there were invisible walls as long as they are far enough away from the action as to not be noticable. I'm sure that most people are intelligent enough to realize that creating a truly open space experience would add a few more years of development time, as it's pretty much a game in itself. However, giving us a few zones (or even one) where we can fly around and fight over various objectives would've been pretty sweet.
I think that it got to a point, as it usually does in these situations, where people assume polar opposites and those who support the "on rails" thing believe that those who don't like it, want something unrealistic. Which is completely not true. I would be perfectly happy with just having full control over my ship. I mean, I played Star Fox on SNES and it was fun... in 1993. Even the last Star Fox game abandoned the whole "on-rails" thing in favor of more open zones.
As far as those polls go, they are not really 50/50. The majority of the people need more information before they make up their mind. What's significant though is that this poll is on the official TOR message boards, which are usually filled to the brim with fanboys, and it seems that even a percentage of the fanboys hate the "on-rails" space thing.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
I can guarantee you hand down that People would be whining as much as they are now even it would have been like RS or BF2. They would be whining that they are enclosed in a box and cant explore and bla bla bla.
You cant please everyone. Also looking at the Polls People are 50/50 about it so I think they struck Gold with it.
Sure, people will always find something to complain about but I think that it's pretty safe to say that most would've preferred direct control over their ship even if there were invisible walls as long as they are far enough away from the action as to not be noticable. I'm sure that most people are intelligent enough to realize that creating a truly open space experience would add a few more years of development time, as it's pretty much a game in itself. However, giving us a few zones (or even one) where we can fly around and fight over various objectives would've been pretty sweet.
I think that it got to a point, as it usually does in these situations, where people assume polar opposites and those who support the "on rails" thing believe that those who don't like it, want something unrealistic. Which is completely not true. I would be perfectly happy with just having full control over my ship. I mean, I played Star Fox on SNES and it was fun... in 1993. Even the last Star Fox game abandoned the whole "on-rails" thing in favor of more open zones.
As far as those polls go, they are not really 50/50. The majority of the people need more information before they make up their mind. What's significant though is that this poll is on the official TOR message boards, which are usually filled to the brim with fanboys, and it seems that even a percentage of the fanboys hate the "on-rails" space thing.
This is what I dont get and I keep seeing it everywhere .. " i played StarFox and it was fun in the 90s ". Whats up with that ?!? People played Diablo 2 back in 01 and guess what , almost 10 years later still find it fun. So why wouldn`t a game like StarFox not be fun anymore ?!? Because its not 93 anymore ?!/ I find that a very silly argument.
If you like StarFox then , you`ll like it now. I play Donky Kong Country and I`m still having fun , even though its not 95 anymore.
This is the current Space Content that the Game has and no matter how much People whine , it`ll not change ... so why not just move on and discuss something else. In the end all of this is pointless.
I love Games like Freelance , but when it comes to ToR , that was not why I choose this game. The fact that they have this MiniGame in at Launch is only an added Bonus.
The one thing we have heard up until now was " If TOR doesn`t launch with some form of Space it will FAIL ". Now its " Oww its a Tunnel Shooter .. its not good enough , it`ll FAIL ".
On the other had you have 1500+ Hours of Unique Class Story Content , 15 Planets [ which based on People that have Played them are HUGE ] , then add the hundreds of Hours of extra COntent like Crafting , Raids , PvP , World Stories ... most will forget that there even is any Space.
I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
I can guarantee you hand down that People would be whining as much as they are now even it would have been like RS or BF2. They would be whining that they are enclosed in a box and cant explore and bla bla bla.
You cant please everyone. Also looking at the Polls People are 50/50 about it so I think they struck Gold with it.
Sure, people will always find something to complain about but I think that it's pretty safe to say that most would've preferred direct control over their ship even if there were invisible walls as long as they are far enough away from the action as to not be noticable. I'm sure that most people are intelligent enough to realize that creating a truly open space experience would add a few more years of development time, as it's pretty much a game in itself. However, giving us a few zones (or even one) where we can fly around and fight over various objectives would've been pretty sweet.
I think that it got to a point, as it usually does in these situations, where people assume polar opposites and those who support the "on rails" thing believe that those who don't like it, want something unrealistic. Which is completely not true. I would be perfectly happy with just having full control over my ship. I mean, I played Star Fox on SNES and it was fun... in 1993. Even the last Star Fox game abandoned the whole "on-rails" thing in favor of more open zones.
As far as those polls go, they are not really 50/50. The majority of the people need more information before they make up their mind. What's significant though is that this poll is on the official TOR message boards, which are usually filled to the brim with fanboys, and it seems that even a percentage of the fanboys hate the "on-rails" space thing.
This is what I dont get and I keep seeing it everywhere .. " i played StarFox and it was fun in the 90s ". Whats up with that ?!? People played Diablo 2 back in 01 and guess what , almost 10 years later still find it fun. So why wouldn`t a game like StarFox not be fun anymore ?!? Because its not 93 anymore ?!/ I find that a very silly argument.
If you like StarFox then , you`ll like it now. I play Donky Kong Country and I`m still having fun , even though its not 95 anymore.
This is the current Space Content that the Game has and no matter how much People whine , it`ll not change ... so why not just move on and discuss something else. In the end all of this is pointless.
I love Games like Freelance , but when it comes to ToR , that was not why I choose this game. The fact that they have this MiniGame in at Launch is only an added Bonus.
The one thing we have heard up until now was " If TOR doesn`t launch with some form of Space it will FAIL ". Now its " Oww its a Tunnel Shooter .. its not good enough , it`ll FAIL ".
On the other had you have 1500+ Hours of Unique Class Story Content , 15 Planets [ which based on People that have Played them are HUGE ] , then add the hundreds of Hours of extra COntent like Crafting , Raids , PvP , World Stories ... most will forget that there even is any Space.
I liked Star Fox then because I was about 14 years old and didn't know any better. However, there are some games that have "timeless" (relatively speaking) gameplay and some that do not. Star Fox-like gameplay is outdated. The last Star Fox game was released in 2006 and wasn't "on-rails" because the developers realized that it's an outdated concept.
The story is only part of it. If the gameplay sucks, the story and voice overs and the rest of the stuff you listed will not be enough to carry the game. Have you played TOR?
Either way this is a topic discussing TOR's space combat video. Why would we be in this topic discussing something else? You want to discuss something else? Go to another topic.
I loved the ideas behind ToRs design and most of the media that's come out looks great. I'm also a little bit of a Star Wars movie/videogame/book fan since... well a long time. It never even occurred to me that ToR would have any space combat, I just thought everything would be ground story, ground combat, and ground pvp.
Really guys. It's a Star Wars mmo game. It's not a complete Star Wars universe simulator. Any fun polished space combat at all is a bonus, considering that space combat is not even the focus of the game.
I loved the ideas behind ToRs design and most of the media that's come out looks great. I'm also a little bit of a Star Wars movie/videogame/book fan since... well a long time. It never even occurred to me that ToR would have any space combat, I just thought everything would be ground story, ground combat, and ground pvp.
Really guys. It's a Star Wars mmo game. It's not a complete Star Wars universe simulator. Any fun polished space combat at all is a bonus, considering that space combat is not even the focus of the game.
Why not? It's F***ing STAR Wars, not Ground Wars. Why should space not be equal?
Massive budget Bioware has and they didn't even create their own GROUND graphics engine. Just contracted the "never was" Heroes Journey and reskinned it (not kidding).
For the budget Bioware had they could have made such a better game. Instead they made Star Wows.
The whole graphic direction looks terrible to me. I simply hate the kiddie cartoony bright pastel colored look.
I loved the ideas behind ToRs design and most of the media that's come out looks great. I'm also a little bit of a Star Wars movie/videogame/book fan since... well a long time. It never even occurred to me that ToR would have any space combat, I just thought everything would be ground story, ground combat, and ground pvp.
Really guys. It's a Star Wars mmo game. It's not a complete Star Wars universe simulator. Any fun polished space combat at all is a bonus, considering that space combat is not even the focus of the game.
Why not? It's F***ing STAR Wars, not Ground Wars. Why should space not be equal?
Massive budget Bioware has and they didn't even create their own GROUND graphics engine. Just contracted the "never was" Heroes Journey and reskinned it (not kidding).
For the budget Bioware had they could have made such a better game. Instead they made Star Wows.
The whole graphic direction looks terrible to me. I simply hate the kiddie cartoony bright pastel colored look.
I really thought Bioware would raise the bar.
Your absolutely right. Its star wars...not ground wars.....or SPACE WARS. Screw this pansy crap....whats the point of the English language if we don't use it properly. I want PvE and PvP ON THE SURFACE OF STARS!!!!!
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Star Wars in my opinion encompasses the idea that battles are so large and important that they are being fought throughout the stars....
Star Wars has always been a franchise focused around ground/inside ship interactions....
If you think about the movies, the majority of space combat actually IS on rails... They almost always have an objective they are unable to stray from...
Asteroids, the battle of the death star, the SECOND battle of the deathstar, Hoth, and all the prequels...during all of those battles the pilots had no choice as to where they were going or what their objectives were.... they were basically on rails.
Who knows how the actual mechanics will feel....but no argument is warranted from people who have not tested the game. Bioware could still pull this off... Just because they took an artistic direction your unhappy with does NOT mean it is an inferior product.
Shame for Bioware, real shame. This could have been ultimate deep RPG MMO. Something Bioware would be proud , like Baldurs Gate.
Instead its a casual simplified game aimed at ADD audience.
Someone will say. Yes. But that is what brings the money.
Unfortunately , the failures of recent MMOs prove just the opposite: MMO players want complex , and deep gameplay.
SWTOR is just a wasted opportunity
Seriously? That was the worst troll attempt I have seen in recent memory... you are giving real trolls a bad name. Way too blatant and obviously wrong. Try again... or not.
What?? You consider that a troll attempt? Seriously? Wow, now I know what Sungdora and Robertdinh were talking about.....
Not to go off topic, but what exactly would you consider it?
Ah the Maskedweasel speaks , the ultimate fanboy.
His logic is clear:
If you praise the game , you are regular poster.
But if you god forbid say something critical about the game. If you express any doubt about game features - well than you are obviously trolling ...
Right ?
Cause the game is so perfect it can have no flaws. So people criticising it are obviously inventing flaws in order to troll.
They can not have any other agenda. Like for example , try to make the game better.
You gotta love your fanboys.
BTW. Wasnt you one that called me a troll when I said that APB will fail if they procede with plans for subscription model ?
it would have been better if Bioware hadnt included this in the game, its too obviously a hastily put together 'bolt on' to try and placate those who have complained that there is no 'star wars' in their starwars game, but its a rail shooter, which is an odd choice from any perspective, and worse, its just a single player game, its not an online part of the game at all, you could probably knock together a flash based browser game that did the same job, personally i would have been happy if they'd managed to create an xwing v tiefighter experience that supported only 50 players, it would have been something. it wouldnt have even been all that expensive, but, i think the problem here is, that the game isnt meant to support more than half a dozen or so players, more and more this looks like a single player game with multiplayer options, where you can invite 4 or 5 friends along to share your adventures. Looks like Bioware truly is having a problem adapting itself to the MMO concept, Storylines are all well and good, but if the game behind it, isnt... then no amount of Storyline is going to save it.
Lot of things comming from MMO division of Bioware lately , sound like quick tacked on development items. Made only to try and counter growing negativity about the game.
wow, just wow. Its amazing how little $150m gets you for your money nowadays.
I bet jump to lightspeed cost a tiny amount of money (in comparison to other expansions ect) and yet with the $150m they have for this game they couldn't find a tiny % of it to make a good space part to the game... you know I woulda thought with a name like STAR wars they mighta had a clue what alot of fans were looking forward to.
This should not add this in what a sillly waste of time...
LIke others have said its jsut an arcade style shooter on rails...
I think this just adds to the fact that this game will just be a co-op version of their other star wars games. OK maybe not a bad thing but do you really want to pay monthly for that uhmmm...
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I agree, and to clarify. I also agree it would have been great to get something more, for those who wanted it. It just turns out that we didn't. IMO we as a whole should be more worried about the overall package. That may be an unfair way of thinking, but it is how I actually feel.
To often companeis have listened to this type of outrage pre-launch and made changes dooming the entire product. I would hope Bioware won't be stupid enough to do that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The reason people are up in arms about this, is because if they include such a half-assed space combat at launch, the likelihood of getting a better version down the road is virtually nil. As opposed to SWG where it launched with none to begin with, which gave them time to develop a good one and release it later.
Most people would prefer none at launch, and a good one later, to a crappy one from launch til the game dies several years down the road.
Yes, it is 100% plausible that they can and will upgrade it at some point, but is it realistic to think they will? Not really. That all depends on how much time, money and resources were invested in creating the rail-shooter in space that we're getting.
Don't get me wrong, i still plan on playing this game, hopefully for at least a year or two. I just think the whole pitch at E3 about "owning your own spaceship" sorta got everyone's hopes up, only to be dashed when this was shown/announced. I mean, who cares if i can "own" my own ship, if all i can do on it is play some rail shooter arcade game in it?
Personally speaking I'm looking forward to this kind of space combat, normally I hate flying around aimlessly as you can in most space combat games, at least with this version it's non stop action.
I do. I`m not a big fan of flying around for 30 minutes , staring at blackness , doing nothing. Here I can jump in an have some straight and clean fun.
Just because you dont like it , doesn`t mean others don`t. For every person that says NO , you`ll find two that say Yes.
True and on top of those three you'll find ten who don't care either way.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
haha .. so very true.
Who said that you have to fly around for 30 minutes?
What if the space portion was similar to Rogue Squadron in the way it played? Or similar to Battlefront II?
I don't think that anyone seriously expected another EVE Online but at least giving us full controls of our ships would've been absolutely amazing.
Who is most people? 45% are unsure about space combat, they need more information, 28 like it and 26 don't. 2% lead for like, tiny gap, but most people insists it's over 50%.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=182698
Nobody but the people saying "I was expecting JTL" or "I wanted JTL".
But the games you listed, that wouldn't be a bad idea, but just how many would cry about being in an instanced box with no exploration? A lot of the complaints come from habitual complainers so I'd say it wouldn't impress much. Besides you don't know what is more appealing, other than the poll I listed, which shows a 2% lead for people that are happy with it.
Smartest thing for BioWare to do is keep what they've shown, people need to shut up, nothing is going to change, and BioWare can think about adding new forms of space combat down the line. Folding to a bunch of morons who've never developed a game themselves is a bad idea.
I can guarantee you hand down that People would be whining as much as they are now even it would have been like RS or BF2. They would be whining that they are enclosed in a box and cant explore and bla bla bla.
You cant please everyone. Also looking at the Polls People are 50/50 about it so I think they struck Gold with it.
I think that's the point though, it's really not meant to be amazing, it's a mini game more akin to an arcade experience than anything. Which isn't meant to be intelligent, deep, immersive or so on and so forth, it's meant to be simple fun.
The sound for one was well done, as were the graphics IMO and the game-play looked crisp. Does a rail-shooter appeal to you or I, no, for different reasons of course.
On the other hand people who enjoy this type of thing, might get something they feel is of quality and fun. Will everyone? No you can't expect anything more really.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So wait... they took Star Fox gameplay, set it in the SWTOR era, added updated (gorgeous) visuals, may be integrating ship upgrade rewards, and is completely optional to play or not play? Sounds like a bona fide mini-game in an MMO, and I'm loving it!
Would full-on space exploration be nice, sure, but I think think this is a great addition to a game that gets better-sounding every week.
Sure, people will always find something to complain about but I think that it's pretty safe to say that most would've preferred direct control over their ship even if there were invisible walls as long as they are far enough away from the action as to not be noticable. I'm sure that most people are intelligent enough to realize that creating a truly open space experience would add a few more years of development time, as it's pretty much a game in itself. However, giving us a few zones (or even one) where we can fly around and fight over various objectives would've been pretty sweet.
I think that it got to a point, as it usually does in these situations, where people assume polar opposites and those who support the "on rails" thing believe that those who don't like it, want something unrealistic. Which is completely not true. I would be perfectly happy with just having full control over my ship. I mean, I played Star Fox on SNES and it was fun... in 1993. Even the last Star Fox game abandoned the whole "on-rails" thing in favor of more open zones.
As far as those polls go, they are not really 50/50. The majority of the people need more information before they make up their mind. What's significant though is that this poll is on the official TOR message boards, which are usually filled to the brim with fanboys, and it seems that even a percentage of the fanboys hate the "on-rails" space thing.
This is what I dont get and I keep seeing it everywhere .. " i played StarFox and it was fun in the 90s ". Whats up with that ?!? People played Diablo 2 back in 01 and guess what , almost 10 years later still find it fun. So why wouldn`t a game like StarFox not be fun anymore ?!? Because its not 93 anymore ?!/ I find that a very silly argument.
If you like StarFox then , you`ll like it now. I play Donky Kong Country and I`m still having fun , even though its not 95 anymore.
This is the current Space Content that the Game has and no matter how much People whine , it`ll not change ... so why not just move on and discuss something else. In the end all of this is pointless.
I love Games like Freelance , but when it comes to ToR , that was not why I choose this game. The fact that they have this MiniGame in at Launch is only an added Bonus.
The one thing we have heard up until now was " If TOR doesn`t launch with some form of Space it will FAIL ". Now its " Oww its a Tunnel Shooter .. its not good enough , it`ll FAIL ".
On the other had you have 1500+ Hours of Unique Class Story Content , 15 Planets [ which based on People that have Played them are HUGE ] , then add the hundreds of Hours of extra COntent like Crafting , Raids , PvP , World Stories ... most will forget that there even is any Space.
I liked Star Fox then because I was about 14 years old and didn't know any better. However, there are some games that have "timeless" (relatively speaking) gameplay and some that do not. Star Fox-like gameplay is outdated. The last Star Fox game was released in 2006 and wasn't "on-rails" because the developers realized that it's an outdated concept.
The story is only part of it. If the gameplay sucks, the story and voice overs and the rest of the stuff you listed will not be enough to carry the game. Have you played TOR?
Either way this is a topic discussing TOR's space combat video. Why would we be in this topic discussing something else? You want to discuss something else? Go to another topic.
I loved the ideas behind ToRs design and most of the media that's come out looks great. I'm also a little bit of a Star Wars movie/videogame/book fan since... well a long time. It never even occurred to me that ToR would have any space combat, I just thought everything would be ground story, ground combat, and ground pvp.
Really guys. It's a Star Wars mmo game. It's not a complete Star Wars universe simulator. Any fun polished space combat at all is a bonus, considering that space combat is not even the focus of the game.
Why not? It's F***ing STAR Wars, not Ground Wars. Why should space not be equal?
Massive budget Bioware has and they didn't even create their own GROUND graphics engine. Just contracted the "never was" Heroes Journey and reskinned it (not kidding).
For the budget Bioware had they could have made such a better game. Instead they made Star Wows.
The whole graphic direction looks terrible to me. I simply hate the kiddie cartoony bright pastel colored look.
I really thought Bioware would raise the bar.
As much as people want this to be a free roam space. (Including me) There is no denying how fun that looked.
Your absolutely right. Its star wars...not ground wars.....or SPACE WARS. Screw this pansy crap....whats the point of the English language if we don't use it properly. I want PvE and PvP ON THE SURFACE OF STARS!!!!!
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Star Wars in my opinion encompasses the idea that battles are so large and important that they are being fought throughout the stars....
Star Wars has always been a franchise focused around ground/inside ship interactions....
If you think about the movies, the majority of space combat actually IS on rails... They almost always have an objective they are unable to stray from...
Asteroids, the battle of the death star, the SECOND battle of the deathstar, Hoth, and all the prequels...during all of those battles the pilots had no choice as to where they were going or what their objectives were.... they were basically on rails.
Who knows how the actual mechanics will feel....but no argument is warranted from people who have not tested the game. Bioware could still pull this off... Just because they took an artistic direction your unhappy with does NOT mean it is an inferior product.
Ah the Maskedweasel speaks , the ultimate fanboy.
His logic is clear:
If you praise the game , you are regular poster.
But if you god forbid say something critical about the game. If you express any doubt about game features - well than you are obviously trolling ...
Right ?
Cause the game is so perfect it can have no flaws. So people criticising it are obviously inventing flaws in order to troll.
They can not have any other agenda. Like for example , try to make the game better.
You gotta love your fanboys.
BTW. Wasnt you one that called me a troll when I said that APB will fail if they procede with plans for subscription model ?
it would have been better if Bioware hadnt included this in the game, its too obviously a hastily put together 'bolt on' to try and placate those who have complained that there is no 'star wars' in their starwars game, but its a rail shooter, which is an odd choice from any perspective, and worse, its just a single player game, its not an online part of the game at all, you could probably knock together a flash based browser game that did the same job, personally i would have been happy if they'd managed to create an xwing v tiefighter experience that supported only 50 players, it would have been something. it wouldnt have even been all that expensive, but, i think the problem here is, that the game isnt meant to support more than half a dozen or so players, more and more this looks like a single player game with multiplayer options, where you can invite 4 or 5 friends along to share your adventures. Looks like Bioware truly is having a problem adapting itself to the MMO concept, Storylines are all well and good, but if the game behind it, isnt... then no amount of Storyline is going to save it.
Well said.
Lot of things comming from MMO division of Bioware lately , sound like quick tacked on development items. Made only to try and counter growing negativity about the game.
wow, just wow. Its amazing how little $150m gets you for your money nowadays.
I bet jump to lightspeed cost a tiny amount of money (in comparison to other expansions ect) and yet with the $150m they have for this game they couldn't find a tiny % of it to make a good space part to the game... you know I woulda thought with a name like STAR wars they mighta had a clue what alot of fans were looking forward to.
This should not add this in what a sillly waste of time...
LIke others have said its jsut an arcade style shooter on rails...
I think this just adds to the fact that this game will just be a co-op version of their other star wars games. OK maybe not a bad thing but do you really want to pay monthly for that uhmmm...