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Lmao, god forbid you go do something that's not play XIV all day.
Sure, I see what your saying, and yeah lets agree that this system wont fix all things for everyone. But what it will do is fix some of them for some of us.
Personally I dont see this effecting me at all. I plan on playing mostly as a crafter first, adventurer second, and combatant only when needed. And the surplus system only kicks in if you in one 'class' for an extended period of time. So here is my normal day to day so you can see my point. I head to do a couple quests and get a couple drops for my crafting, whatever one, doesn't matter - I'll work on whichever craft I get mats for right. While I'm out hunting I see a node or two I can collect from, so I switch from my pugalist to miner, back to puegalist, to fishing for a bit (ran into some water that looked good), back to puegalist for a bit, seen ahnother node and switched to my miner again, back to puegalist, and oh look a tree I better chop that baby down too, oh and now I see someone about to die so I switch to my healer and pop a couple off to help them out....
So really, if I'm actually 'playing' the game in the world, I'm not sticking with only ONE class long enough to even hit surplus, let alone make an issue of it. Now sure, if I was combatant first, adventurer second, and dont care at all for crafting, then I might...well no I wouldnt', because even if I wasn't going to craft I'ld still want to spend some time gathering to make some cash to support my habits. Even if I loved to team all the time, I doubt I'ld be teaming for 8 hours straight and not swap around at least once or twice to accommodatee the needs of the team.
The entire concept that is being argued on this, that there are so many out there that will stick to ONLY one setup long enough to hit massive surplus, is in my opinion an exaggeration at best. The only way this should become a major issue is if people forget to interact with the world around them entirely and focus on grinding xp alone. And that is the entire point isnt it, to avoid making the game into an xp grind for the sake of grinding alone.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
There may also be a future use planned for surplus xp/rank, who knows? It's beta until we at least see an RC (which I doubt we will prior to release), there's no real point gettin all up in a tizzy over any system and how it may/may not restrict consumer choice.
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Not sure why people are getting upset about this. So what, you lose 10% or so on your EXP rewards. If you've been continuously moving up through monster classes, the boosts in total EXP will make up for whatever you've lost and then some. You're still going to be leveling up much faster than "casual" players. What this does mean is that you can't just sit in one spot and grind the same monsters for days on end. I think the FF XIV environment will be healthier as a whole because of this.
If anything, the weaving/blacksmith EXP system is a far bigger problem in this game. I only manage to get crafting experience about a third of the time I actually succeed in making items, even when I use them in guildleves. There is nothing more frustrating than hunting down some NPC, spending 15 minutes crafting all of the necessary materials, and seeing the game randomly decide I should get absolutely no experience for it. Compare this to collectors/fighters, who get crafting experience every single time they use their skills. It makes the process of leveling up welding skills infuriatingly repetitive and gives battle oriented players a huge advantage when it comes to leveling up.
Here is what I think is funny, one or 2 people that play a beta say, man wht a horrible sytem, and it has the power to to turn hundreds of thousands of people to say the same thing. Why because they have played and you have not?
Why not wait for the game to come out so that you can try it for your self. It could be an interesting system that they have going. On top of that what do most of you do when you play a class for to long? You make a new character, so its pretty cool that you can change your class when ever you want.
Also, one of the things that I think it is funny is......Do all of you people that say that its so bad, actually know that the XP system is not the only system in the game to worry about? WHat about graphics, gameplay, story? I mean what if the XP system was the best thing since sliced bread? but the game play was horrible?? I bet no one would even talk about it, then just talk bad about the game play.
look at more aspects of the things to come before talking about a game and it being bad.
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Actually, he has it right. May be an older term but right nevertheless. In EQ, PL-ing was using a high lvl toon to grind out xp for low lvl toons. Whole groups sometimes.
You can also go check any gold-selling site. They have power-leveling as a service where they lvl your toon for you.
Just because you've never heard a definition for a certain word or term doesn't mean it isn't valid.
From reading this I went from going to buy FF14, to avoiding it like the plague, I totally dispise systems that punish people for wanting to play, sure I can change jobs, but wiht my lifestyle I have 12-16 hours a day to play, so if I was to play each job for an hour, then what? I can't really do anything for 2-4 rl days? Not a smart way to go about it square. I do hope they change this, because this system is going to kill the game, or make it alot less successful than it could have been. If the game was free to play i'd not really complain but if they gonna charge me 13/month and then tell me I can only play for a few hours a day, they can shove this back up their ass from whence it came.
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Guys - don't get form opinions from reading this thread. Honestly. There's a lot of misinformation and half formed guesses in it, and people (like the above poster) are coming to the wrong conclusions because of it.
It's suggest checking out the thread on the matter at http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/11704-surplus-experience-just-a-discussion/
They've done some experimenting and compared notes over there, and come up with a few tentative conclusions as to how the system works. I'll explain my understanding of their conclusions, but you can probably get a better view by going to look at the thread first hand (rather than relying on second hand rumours like most people here).
My understanding...
The surplus XP system has nothing whatsoever to do with rested XP. So if you go away and leave your character for a week, then it will still be there. This is why the previous posters comments are incorrect.
Instead, it seems to be a system for ensuring some sort of match between your different types of level.
So if your physical level is way below your class level (e.g. because you've just picked a new class), then your physical level will get loads of fatigue and won't go up much.
There's also some sort of element to it that forces you to do at least some levelling with more than one class. So if you only play an Archer, and keep advancing it, then eventually you will get surplus on your Archer level, until you spend some time on another class.
From what I've heard, if you only play one class, surplus seems to only kick in when you reach roughly level 14. If you continue to play that class, then it can get quite serious by the time you reach level 19. So unless you're levelling really really fast, you're unlikely to go from no surplus to 90% surplus in one play session.
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Did anyone stop to think that maybe, just MAYBE, this surplus thing isn't a form of punishment, and instead of SE's clever way of pacing the leveling experience based on your play style?
If you're a casual, you'll get to max level faster, but it'll take you a long time to do so due to how little you'll play as a casual.
If you're "hardcore" then you'll be playing more but at a slower pace, so you'll still take a long time to hit max level.
If you're looking for a game where you can just fly through to max level, go look elsewhere. The whole point of this game is to give you a long lasting adventure, not grind to max level and grind on the first raid content until they release Icecrown Citadel, purely so you can have some over-sized shoulder items that look ridiculous. If you want speedy content with instant gratification, go look elsewhere. If you want a story that doesn't burn you out in a month, because instead of hitting max level, you still have goals to complete, then FFXIV is your game.
Until then, quit crying about the surplus thing, and look for a new topic to complain about. It is a new week, after all.
They aren't. You are misinformed. Reports from Beta indicate that the surplus system is related to relative levels of your classes. It has nothing to do with how many hours people play.
Regardless, complaining about surplus is basically complaining about numbers in a beta. Numbers are easy for developers to change, and could be very different in live. At this stage, it makes a lot more sense to judge the game by things like gameplay and graphics
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SE should run for president the sheer genius of this move matches the current and last president
“Some concern” may be a colossal understatement if early reports of just how draconian the limits are turn out to be correct:
This is what I found;
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/08/24/final-fantasy-xiv-players-only-allowed-1-hour-a-day/
I hate this system too. If it isn't removed, or atleast adjusted I'm not going to boycott the game or anything. I'll still play it and switch weapons once there is no more xp gain.
Wow. I cant beleive this is real. If it is, I'm going to have to think really hard on canceling my pre orders of collectors and standard, after FFXI wouldnt reward you for hours of camping I figured they would make it much easier for hardcore players to advance, but not only can you not advance fast enough now, your going to get penalized for trying to xp for more then two hours a day?
Unbelievable this would be put into a game...
This is going to be a problem with me....
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Have you actually tried the system? Because I haven't heard any similar claims from anyone who's actually played the beta.
Or are you basing your hatred entirely on second hand rumour, lies and fearmongering?
Calm down people. Let's not get too emotional until we have some solid facts in front of us.
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Really? Up to 50% after 2 hrs and takes 2 days to go down? I've played for several hours straight grinding and running Guildleves and only ever got up to about 9 surplus xp for 150+ xp gained... Also that surplus was gone the next day and didn't come back for several hours....
I'm calling BS on this one....
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People are still crying about this. Play it or deal with it, it s not a big deal at all.
Yeah this whole thread is BS. I play the beta for hours at a time on a single class and have not seen any reduction in my XP or SP. i think people are just stupid and they continue to fight the same enemies long after they have become to weak to be worth while. When i first start I average 150-350 SP and 400-700 xp depending on the mob. 8 hours later I and much higher level and the new mobs give athe same level of xp.
Definitely, this is just another case of the bitchy whiners extremely overexaggerating a feature to make it look as worse as possible when its nothing at all as they are claiming it to be. I too have personally ran around fighting mobs non-stop on one class for over 4hrs and was still gaining plenty of XP.
Another thing to consider is that this suplus system may be something we're building up, toward another feature not yet revealed. SE are known well for having many very deep and involving systems in all their content features, just look at all the thing you can do in XI that build on each other.
Guesss the only thing to do is wait for Open beta, if there's no open ebta for everyone I'm not gonna pre-order and buy the game simple as that. If this is in any way able to intterupt with the fun i could have playing X class ince i hate Y class then so be it, I won't bother playing lol.
Anyhow, from beta tester here, how dire is the situation on this mechanic? How long can you play a single class until this crap appear and how long it take to refresh.
Like it or not, the majority of people playing MMOs want to gain pointless numbers, and gear with different coloured letters in the name, we may not be like those people, and we may hate those kinds of people (not saying you do) but they're still potential party members. I want this game to be as populated and full of life as possible, and the way this is going, is not only going to make situations like the one I mentioned happen, which, while in a perfect world people would still play despite gaining nothing statwise, just isn't the case. I'd keep going if I had surplus, as would you, but the majority of the MMO playing public are gonna feel hard done by and either leave, or moan, or change class, and any of these 3 factors could destroy your party in their own way.
I liked the idea that there were no levels and you'd gain skils etc through your weapon, the idea that SE originally started with. Because the game would focus on exploration and searching new weapons to gain more powerful skills, nagating any tedious grind and turning it into an engaging scenario which you could share with others. But then SE decided to add levels anyway, which is fine, though not ideal, and now they're adding THIS. I'm not the type to power level myself, I experience the game itself, hence why after a ridiculous amount of time on my FFXI character I'm only level 50 on my highest job, but that doesn't mean I like being hindered from progressing, I end up leveling as a result or doing other things, whether that's joining parties to socialise, or exploring the world, but with a system like this, unless I want my character to ge held back and unable to explore harder content, I have to constantly switch class, and wait, and wait, and wait some more. Why can't I be the one to decide when to switch class? If I'm one level away from being elegible to do a really fun sounding quest that some friends were going to do later, but due to surplus I wouldn't be able to gain the required exp to join them in time, and wasting my chance of enjoying that quest with good friends. I can seriously name so many ways this is gonna make the game worse. The one and ONLY good reason is it will remove instant gratification idiots from the game, but it woulda done that anyways, this is a Final Fantasy game, levels are probably the easiest thing to get, it's the rest of the content that will put people like that off when they realise they can't get the best gear in the game in 5 minutes. Besides that, this system helps NOBODY, it hinders everyone. The casuals are fine, but as I said, they only play to get something, that's why all this stupid casual stuff happens, because they decide to play an online game to play it on their own because they want fancy gear and levels.
It's people like me and you that want to experience the game in the way it should be, to take in the world, enjoy the company, and soak up every little detail you come across. But that's easier said than done when the world won't let you see more of it until your surplus wears, when the company leaves you because they can't be bothered to level when they've got a 90% reduction, and when every little detail ends up becoming meaningless when you realise SE are just forcing you to play the game their way, and not yours.
So no, I'm not saying EVERYONE's the type of person who focuses on stats and levels and nothing more
I am saying that even if only ONE person was like that, it could potentially be enough to ruin your entire night
And even outside a party situation, the cons FAR outweigh the pros
As I said just a couple posts back. I have played 5+ hrs of grinding and Guildleves and got less than a 10% surplus penalty and it was gone the next day. Here's the kicker. If you play another mmorpg that has the "rested xp" mechanic and get 2x XP gain while rested for a couple hours before losing that rested status it's the same thing as getting a rediculous amount of XP for 5+ hours before gradually droping down to 50% surplus xp(which I havent even seen).
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I'd say the truth is somewhere in the middle on this one.
There has been some concern from beta testers about this mechanic, and a lot have left because of it. If you don't mind grinding, you can for a decent amount of time (maybe 4hours or so) and then it starts to wear out quit a lot. If you change classes a lot it does tend to help, and given the limited amount of leves in the game, you are generally forced to change classes a lot.
This is both good and bad. In general this game is one where you will not want to play just one class. The reason being is that you can mix skills from different classes to make a sort of hybrid. So for example I will mix some skills from thaumaturge (like gravity) with my nukes from conjurer. Or on melee you can mix TP skills between classes, which helps a lot. However, when you really want to play one class it can kind suck, especially as you get higher in lvl, it takes so long to get the exp you need that it's quit a turn off.
Now.. from beta, there's basically 2 concerns going on. One is that we don't know if the mechanic is implemented in beta the same way it's to be implemented in launch. Two, is that everyone is awaiting a 'massive content update' for open beta. The massive increase in content could very will fix a lot of the issues arising from some of these mechanics, but it's really hard to tell if / when these things happen, whether or not they will make a big impact on the penalty or not.
Also, the penalty atm seems to affect crafting more steeply than it does battle classes. Not sure why, but you don't always gain exp from crafting, and sometimes it takes quite a number of crafts before you see any benefit from them.
The news of this system makes me sad face. :<