i tried to leave the tavern, but it wouldnt let me... so i decided to talk to the female behind the counter. she offered my some leve's... i accepted all the leve's i could... tried teleporting, but didnt know where i was supposed to go. I ran around the map for a good hour or so, trying to find something i was supposed to do, or see if i could find a place that was noted in my quest journal. It didnt go very well because the names on the map are in a different language, and i couldnt tell exactly where i was.
Still amazed people are saying the same things over and over, and then others are defending them as if they didnt do somethign wrong. Seriously, lets look at the facts shall we. Take this comment from the OP above, the very first sentance of it states 'I tried to leave the tavern, but it wouldn't let me...' as if this was a fault of the game design and not the player. What the OP is leaving out is what shows up in thier chat box right as they enter the tavern.
Instances are special areas that are entered upon fulfilling certain requirements, such as progressing in a quest. There will always be a message telling you when you have entered an instance, and your minimap will show its boundaries. Most instances can be left by crossing those boundaries; however, there are some, such as this one, in which certain objectives must be met before you are allowed to exit.
You have entered an instance.
So right off the bat we see the OP didnt pay attention and jumped to the conclusion it was the games fault, when in reality, had he read the HELP text in game he would have known he had to complete an objective before he could leave that instance.
The rest of his rant, and yes it is a rant, is because he couldnt' find his way to his quest destination, and again he blamed the game for it, instead of his inability to read the HELP text given to him in game. I actually covered this exact situation back on 09/08 in this thread, but I'll redo it here for this OP again.
Miounne: Gods, why I'm so nice I'll never know. Fine, I'll see to it you get a spot in the next purification. Meanwhile, you'd do well to visit Camp Bentbranch.
Miounne: Attune with the aetheryte there. It'll ease the burden of getting about while you're in Gridania. Here, I'll show you where it is on your map.
Miounne: And here, take this while you're at it. It's a linkpearl. Use this and you can get in touch with me no matter where you are.
Miounne: If you ever find yourself lost in Gridania, first take a look at the map to get your bearings. If that don't help, just use the linkpearl and I'll see what I can do. Think you can remember all that?
You obtain a linkpearl from the Adventurers' Guild.
A glow emanates from the Adventurers' Guild linkpearl.
"The Color of Sin" has been updated in your journal.
And then when you activate your linkpearl (because its glowing).
Miounne: I see you're not shy about using the linkpearl I gave you. Make your way to Camp Bentbranch, just like I told you.
Miounne: Leave the city and head south, and stay wary of the beasts. It's not the safest of jaunts.
So as you can see, if he had read the HELP in game, he would have known it was a very simple quest. Just leave the spot you currently are and head south to Camp Bentbranch. And as a matter fo fact, Camp Bentbranch is directly south of the tavern. Seriously, if you walk south and dont stop walking south, you will run right into it.
So what does this say about our OP, well it is filled with incomplete and inaccurate data in which he is using to try and forward the pictue to everyone here that the game is somehow lacking in its new user friendliness. When in reality the help is there, you just have to look at the text box and actually read it. And for all those defending him on his claims here, you do realize he is using you to assist in spreading his misinformation, and it makes you look as wrong as he is.
Next time everyone jumps up and down to defend someones review, please take the time to make sure it isn't wrong first, it would make these forums a much nicer place.
Lol, its over... I dont see what you're trying to defend. did you even read the reast of the thread? or are you just concerned with being right now?
How someone interprets someone elses opinions and impressions is completely on them...
You're holding me and my post up in the light as if I were disproving the bible or evolution... seriously. CHILL.
I'm not a part of the gaming media... They're just my opinions... if someone is going to base there judgement off of mine, thats there issue. Anyone who disagrees with what I'm saying can happily enjoy the game, and all the best to them... It happens all the time... Why spending all of your time trying to defend a game, when you can just PLAY it.
As you can see im not pulling out all this gospel of Square enix promising an awesome product, that was going to change the world and cater to everyones needs... And claiming they were bullshit, there was false advertising, and i feel cheated having bought and played the game.
I don't hate the game, and I'm not going to sit here and bash it all day.... The only thing I seem to be defending here is myself. Why is everyone so hostile?
I went into the game not knowing what to expect, and upon first impressions, This was my conclusion. THE END. That is all it was... Admittedly, i wasnt exactly sober when writing it, so it could have come across a little more passionately and upfront than what I'd normally say.
The reason some of us fans may be hostile is we've read countless "reviews" of the game where the person says the game is crap based on them just not taking the time to figure out how to play the game.
You're right that you yourself didn't say the game was crap, but it was pretty negative in tone, and it was pretty much in fact due to you just not taking the time to figure out how to play the game. Hopefully you can see where Kaocan is coming from and not take it personally.
Read my post right above yours if you want some advice on the graphics which should help if you're up for giving the game another shot.
Holden is right, my post wasn't intended to be hostile in any way. It was just meant to inform exactly as you indended.
Originally posted by spamwich
My OP was merely just a representation of what a newcomer is to expect when first entering the game... And the type of frustration you can encounter. Getting past the initial frustration stages, I've levelled myself to 10, but the game still seems rather dull to me, and perhaps it infact isn't for me.
As you yourself stated in this very thread (yes I did read it all by the way), that your intention on posting this thread was to be "a representation of what a newcomer is to expect when first entering the game...". What I was doing is just pointing out that what you feel is important to point out to newcomers, and what they shoudl expect, is not exactly an accurate assessment of FFXIV, it is merely frustration as you seen it, from your viewpoint. And not the same frustration that all newcomers will see if they actually spend the time and take the effort to read what is given to them in the game.
This thread, and your opening post is just your first impression true, but your intention was to provide a review that others could use to gauge whether or not they wished to try this game. And by providing false informtion, you are in fact not being true to your own intentions. Your information was not accurate, and should not be used by newcomers to guage what they should expect when they first log into FFXIV, only what you experienced because of your own playstyle.
I was in fact, only correcting your mistake, to give a more accurate assessment of what they will experience, as it really is. You can fault me for that sure, but it is a factual correction to your review either way.
Ofcourse it's all my opinion... Obviously i can't speak for other people. And i can't view the game through someone else's eyes, and anyone who isnt a sheep should be able to make there own judgements.
My intentions for writing the original post? provide a review for others to "gauge" whether or not to try the game?
I dont care if anyone wants to play this game or not...
False information? I was never pointing out the fact that the game was shit, or said that the game was broken (apart from optimization, which could be alot of things)...
Like I said... just a raw exert from my experience, not edited in anyway, straight from my brain onto paper. You cant slap an "inaccurate, flawed review" tag on my post. I wouldnt even call it a review... It was a first impression. First impression doesnt have to mean a pre-review-- it also has a literal meaning. There was no agenda behind sharing my feelings for the game... I just wanted to share, and I dont think any of the diggers here on barracks give a crap about a new MMORPG i just bought.
I'd probably call it a misguided opinion at most... I just didn't like the way i was introduced to the fundamentals of the game.
I still start the game up every now and then, and try and get that latch current flowing. I'll try turning down the graphics and get a steady framerate and see what its like after level 10 before i change my opinion about the game.
Ofcourse it's all my opinion... Obviously i can't speak for other people. And i can't view the game through someone else's eyes, and anyone who isnt a sheep should be able to make there own judgements.
My intentions for writing the original post? provide a review for others to "gauge" whether or not to try the game?
I dont care if anyone wants to play this game or not...
False information? I was never pointing out the fact that the game was shit, or said that the game was broken (apart from optimization, which could be alot of things)...
Like I said... just a raw exert from my experience, not edited in anyway, straight from my brain onto paper. You cant slap an "inaccurate, flawed review" tag on my post. I wouldnt even call it a review... It was a first impression. First impression doesnt have to mean a pre-review-- it also has a literal meaning. There was no agenda behind sharing my feelings for the game... I just wanted to share, and I dont think any of the diggers here on barracks give a crap about a new MMORPG i just bought.
I'd probably call it a misguided opinion at most... I just didn't like the way i was introduced to the fundamentals of the game.
I still start the game up every now and then, and try and get that latch current flowing. I'll try turning down the graphics and get a steady framerate and see what its like after level 10 before i change my opinion about the game.
Seriously, spamwich; don't let these guys get you wound up. I've been watching this game since just before open beta (several weeks now) and it's the same crew every day, shooting down any and everything someone has to say that's even mildly critical of their precious. Folks here aren't allowed to have an opinion that differs from them.
That aside, you're not by yourself in how you feel. If you were to skim through several pages on this forum, you'd find quite a few others that have felt exactly the way you do. It's a legitimate concern, and I think that's what scares the fans so much - they know this game has one of the worst front-ends and that's where you keep or lose plenty of folks. Of course, they'll march in and tell you how thrilled they are that folks "like you" won't be in "their game" but I find it hilarious how zealous they are in defending it nevertheless.
Anyway, best of luck enjoying it. I think there are some redeeming qualities to the game, else folks wouldn't be playing it at all. Trouble is cracking that coconut with your bare hands on sand, seeing as SE didn't bother to give you a rock.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
this game has had so much negativity on it im surprised anyone would buy it blindly, i know i for one wont come anywhere near it untill theres a free trial, it sounds horrendous and too much like hardwork when it should be fun and engaging... you know, like games are meant to be
Having not played open beta (I don't based decisions on a final game based on any sort of beta) I bought the game and played a few hours last night and this morning and I think it's fine. If anything, all the negative stuff posted on here the last week or so has made me convinced how many trolls inhabited the boards pushing some biased agenda. I don't get why anyone would waste their time spouting such crap to be honest - but it's the internet so hey, go figure.
The game is gorgeous, plays in a relatively straightforward manner, not really complicated or 'hardwork' at all. It gives you all the explanations needed, and often points you in the right directions. I kept reading things here about 'this game doesn't hold your hand' when actually it does hold your hand quite alot explaining or providing explanations for many things, marking down locations on maps, explaining leves etc.
The launch went fairly well thus far (I guess we will see how it goes when normal copy launched next week), and despite a very long patching wait which I put down to many people manually downloading the patches thus removing themselves from torrent queues (I downloaded manually in the end so I could get on quicker). All in all, looks like a fun game
As for the controls, I have no problem playing with a mouse and keyboard - and I almost went and bought a controller which would've been a total waste. The music is awesome too btw, and really blew me away.
it sounds horrendous and too much like hardwork when it should be fun and engaging... you know, like games are meant to be
Actually FF XIV is a very good mmo, perhaps the learning curve is higher than some games, but there is lots to do, and I am having a blast. I know a lot of WoW players post on this website, but it's just one of those things, if the game requires effort and has a learning curve it may not be your cup of tea...but just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others won't find the game hits their spot.
I never played the beta, so this is just the experience of a fresh player... never playing FFXI, but playing the single player console games a kid.
hardware cursor has been implemented
Mouse lag is gone for good, but the other issues with the interface are still there- not being able to effectively bind keyboard keys.
I just wonder if you haven't played the beta, how do you base your opinion about issues still being there or judge whether or not mouse lag has changed if you hadn't previously experienced the issues. I suppose you could of read about them in one of the many negative posts about the game, but even then it's a bit of a stretch to convey it as you do.
In fact given what you've wrote I can only come to one conclusion : You've never played the game, read about the issues on the forum watched the trailer fabricated your story using what you know about the game and other posts on the forums and made the comments about the mouse movement and interface to add credibility and in part a sense of objectiveness to your post. But, I saw past your clever veil boy I know that a person who knows nothing about the game and who is happily playing Age of Conan isn't going to randomly switch over to a overly different MMO.
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
I'm hoping youre being sarcastic, lol.
I definately played the game, and also have a buddy key up for grabs if anyone wants it...
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
I'm hoping youre being sarcastic, lol.
I definately played the game, and also have a buddy key up for grabs if anyone wants it...
Your hope is misplaced child, for I see you for what you are.
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
This is true.
But if the new crowd tries something and misses the 'how' shouldn't those that have the first hand experience try and enlighten them on the true facts? Or should we continue to allow them to be misinformed, and spread that misinformation to everyone else?
According to most on these forums, if you even try to point out the true facts, to correct the misinformation, then you are nothing but a troll or a fanboi. Myself, I personally care less what game is being discussed, if I have first hand knowledge that proves something is misinformation I will try and point it out, because I believe being well informed is the only way to properly judge anything. Some here disagree, they prefer the opinion, the heresay, and the 'story', over the facts. And they go out of thier way to use any and all insults they can to defend that view point too.
The point that should be made, isn't if his opinion is valuable or not, but is it the truth. If someone says 'there is no way to move the map around in this game' and we know you can with IJKL keys, shouldn't we be helping them out and telling them how to do what they missed? And if we do try and help them out, should be we subjected to the name calling and insults that appear more commonplace amongst 4th graders than adults?
Seriously though, which way do you all wish it to be? Should the people who know the truth let the misguided and misinformed continue on thier path, and spread it however they wish? Or should we continue to try and give out the correct information in hopes that in the future, less people encounter the same mistakes?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I think the point that was trying to be made was from the original post was....
If a person wasn't in beta to comment on the mouse lag being gone for good but other issues with the ui still being there seems to suggest that they were getting game information before the game was released.
So the question is... was logging into the game the first impression or were reviews/blogs/forums the first impression?
A person new to the game with no previous knowledge would probably not notice the improvement of the hardware mouse and would definately not comment on whether the ui issues where still in game...
I think the point that was trying to be made was from the original post was....
If a person wasn't in beta to comment on the mouse lag being gone for good but other issues with the ui still being there seems to suggest that they were getting game information before the game was released.
So the question is... was logging into the game the first impression or were reviews/blogs/forums the first impression?
A person new to the game with no previous knowledge would probably not notice the improvement of the hardware mouse and would definately not comment on whether the ui issues where still in game...
Just my 2cents
LOL, its a conspiracy!
but no... I wouldnt just walk into the shop and buy a CE edition of FFXIV.
i brushed over the forums, and the major concern i could see was with using a keyboard/mouse. Since i use a keyboard/mouse to play mmorpgs, i was a little concerned... and thus, also bought a gamepad when i collected my copy from eb
Let me stop you there before you go too far. If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta. The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact. His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed. Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
I'm hoping youre being sarcastic, lol. I definately played the game, and also have a buddy key up for grabs if anyone wants it...
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
It's so nice that you can respond with so much irrelevancy.
So no miracle patch? So where are the people now, who claimed the poor perfomance was due to "debugging software running in the background"? Probably busy now blaming people for being "poor" and not able to buy a decent cpmputer... .
lol you're a trip... The anticipation to type a post like that post-launch must have been killing you.
Actually performance *has* improved in the live client - at least for me. And I mean, notably improved, not slightly.
Before when I got around a lot of people, the game would "pause" every couple seconds... really noticeably. Now I can be in town in an enclosed area with 2 dozen people around me and it runs without a hitch. The other areas are all the better.
Hardware mouse has improved overall interaction, of course and the menu system is crisper and more responsive as well. There is a bit of a delay still when starting levequests or opening up a shop, but I'm sure those will be improved before long as well.
On the whole, though, I would say live is definitely performing much better than Beta. So... seems there was something of a "miracle patch" after all.
Of course, for those whose expectations or desires of "what they wanted SE to do for them", there never would be a miracle patch because those people would never be satisfied. There's more than a few of that type around here.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I think the point that was trying to be made was from the original post was....
If a person wasn't in beta to comment on the mouse lag being gone for good but other issues with the ui still being there seems to suggest that they were getting game information before the game was released.
So the question is... was logging into the game the first impression or were reviews/blogs/forums the first impression?
A person new to the game with no previous knowledge would probably not notice the improvement of the hardware mouse and would definately not comment on whether the ui issues where still in game...
Just my 2cents
LOL, its a conspiracy!
but no... I wouldnt just walk into the shop and buy a CE edition of FFXIV.
i brushed over the forums, and the major concern i could see was with using a keyboard/mouse. Since i use a keyboard/mouse to play mmorpgs, i was a little concerned... and thus, also bought a gamepad when i collected my copy from eb
Lol no conspiracy.
I don't disagree with your initial post but I think its easy to have your first impression influenced by what you see and read.
I think for the new players coming into this game the ones with patching issues who aren't computer savvy enough to correct them are going to be more than a little frustrated.
I agree that the new person logging in could be given more direction when it comes to the opening storyline.
Performance issues with PC games are generally a big pain to resolve, for some people the game runs like ass and others aren't having any problems at all so there will be some people frustrated with that for a multitude of reasons until some of the reasons can be sorted.
I do also think that the game has alot of potential to be very good despite the issues that people are having and I would advise to stick with it and be patient since you've already got it ....
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
This is true.
But if the new crowd tries something and misses the 'how' shouldn't those that have the first hand experience try and enlighten them on the true facts? Or should we continue to allow them to be misinformed, and spread that misinformation to everyone else?
According to most on these forums, if you even try to point out the true facts, to correct the misinformation, then you are nothing but a troll or a fanboi. Myself, I personally care less what game is being discussed, if I have first hand knowledge that proves something is misinformation I will try and point it out, because I believe being well informed is the only way to properly judge anything. Some here disagree, they prefer the opinion, the heresay, and the 'story', over the facts. And they go out of thier way to use any and all insults they can to defend that view point too.
The point that should be made, isn't if his opinion is valuable or not, but is it the truth. If someone says 'there is no way to move the map around in this game' and we know you can with IJKL keys, shouldn't we be helping them out and telling them how to do what they missed? And if we do try and help them out, should be we subjected to the name calling and insults that appear more commonplace amongst 4th graders than adults?
Seriously though, which way do you all wish it to be? Should the people who know the truth let the misguided and misinformed continue on thier path, and spread it however they wish? Or should we continue to try and give out the correct information in hopes that in the future, less people encounter the same mistakes?
As to this, you make a good point, I believe they shouldn't be misinformed, and you should strive to inform them before they spread it.
Unfortunately a majority of those new players will NEVER state their opinion, and will simply leave the game to die along with their money that would support the future endeavors of the dev team. So we can't afford to piss off the few that do state their opinion by telling them off.
It's important that we get this information, because it let's us know how a completely new person will see the game, and if they will continue to add to the pool of money that supports the game or not. (As well as being a community member).
This boils down to the fact that if you enjoy this game in any capacity, you will take the time to realize how important a newcomers opinion is.
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
I'm hoping youre being sarcastic, lol.
I definately played the game, and also have a buddy key up for grabs if anyone wants it...
Your hope is misplaced child, for I see you for what you are.
I see you coming in here and try to screw up the thread.
If you don't have anything constructive to say ... please don't say anything at all.
For my 50 cents: very happy to hear the ui got more responsive and the hardware mouse is in.
This 'll make alot of people less itchy. Still going to postpone purchase for a few months until evrything settles down a bit more. (the whole macroing scenario has to be streamlined a bit more if possible).
A bit out of topic , but have anyone seen just how many wow players are in fact playing right now? all the dedicated sites are full of " i played wow for X years " on every introduccion i read while i was looking around to advertise my guild.Not so many "i Played FFXI for X years" , at least not as many as i tought it would be .
A bit out of topic , but have anyone seen just how many wow players are in fact playing right now? all the dedicated sites are full of " i played wow for X years " on every introduccion i read while i was looking around to advertise my guild.Not so many "i Played FFXI for X years" , at least not as many as i tought it would be .
A bit out of topic , but have anyone seen just how many wow players are in fact playing right now? all the dedicated sites are full of " i played wow for X years " on every introduccion i read while i was looking around to advertise my guild.Not so many "i Played FFXI for X years" , at least not as many as i tought it would be .
Just somethin that made me wonder thats all.
Made you wonder what?
Made me wonder the game is not as bad as people claim it is , when people outside of the FFXI fan group and from the other edge of the mmo industry , wow players , are actually moving into ffxiv.
Not me tought i know what ffxiv is and why i like it , just was speaking my mind in general towards the complains about ffxiv.
I have more trouble running AoC then I do FFXIV. Funny that.
Yeah, that is strange. I can almost run AoC at full settings and get barely 15 FPS on FFXIV with every single thing turned down all the way including resolution.
I think the lesson here is, as others have said (and been called fanbois for it by some) is that it really *is* a system-by-system situation. And I also agree that there are some people on here who expect to run FFXIV at max settings with 2 year-old hardware and are astonished to find it won't run the game smoothly. Of course, they'll seldom admit to having out-dated hardware, and would sooner blame it on the game.
SE has already stated, a while ago, that they made the game deliberately with a look to future hardware. Most computers are not going to be able to run it at max settings currently, and won't be for another couple years. This is a smart move, considering MMOs are a game that people stick with for years. They don't "beat it" in a few weeks, and then toss it aside for the next game (well, some do that).
People are comparing a game, AoC, that's had 2 over years of patches and tweaks made to improve its performance, add content, etc... not to mention developed around 2 year old graphics tech in the first place... to a MMO that just launched yesterday, has not yet received even its first post-launch patch, and is developed for current tech with room for growth in the future..
It's no a fair comparison to make.
And I happen to remember AoC's launch being among the worst of any out there. Bugs, exploits, crashes, performance issues... Content hyped up pre-release not making it in-game for launch, or even months after... you name it. But of course, when one's agenda is to slam another game, they'll choose to ignore "little" details like that... especially like certain people around here.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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Ofcourse it's all my opinion... Obviously i can't speak for other people. And i can't view the game through someone else's eyes, and anyone who isnt a sheep should be able to make there own judgements.
My intentions for writing the original post? provide a review for others to "gauge" whether or not to try the game?
I dont care if anyone wants to play this game or not...
False information? I was never pointing out the fact that the game was shit, or said that the game was broken (apart from optimization, which could be alot of things)...
Like I said... just a raw exert from my experience, not edited in anyway, straight from my brain onto paper. You cant slap an "inaccurate, flawed review" tag on my post. I wouldnt even call it a review... It was a first impression. First impression doesnt have to mean a pre-review-- it also has a literal meaning. There was no agenda behind sharing my feelings for the game... I just wanted to share, and I dont think any of the diggers here on barracks give a crap about a new MMORPG i just bought.
I'd probably call it a misguided opinion at most... I just didn't like the way i was introduced to the fundamentals of the game.
I still start the game up every now and then, and try and get that latch current flowing. I'll try turning down the graphics and get a steady framerate and see what its like after level 10 before i change my opinion about the game.
You do know these two are not separate entities?
Of course fun for someone does not mean fun for someone else.
Yet, I still suggest waiting for anyone on the fence.
Seriously, spamwich; don't let these guys get you wound up. I've been watching this game since just before open beta (several weeks now) and it's the same crew every day, shooting down any and everything someone has to say that's even mildly critical of their precious. Folks here aren't allowed to have an opinion that differs from them.
That aside, you're not by yourself in how you feel. If you were to skim through several pages on this forum, you'd find quite a few others that have felt exactly the way you do. It's a legitimate concern, and I think that's what scares the fans so much - they know this game has one of the worst front-ends and that's where you keep or lose plenty of folks. Of course, they'll march in and tell you how thrilled they are that folks "like you" won't be in "their game" but I find it hilarious how zealous they are in defending it nevertheless.
Anyway, best of luck enjoying it. I think there are some redeeming qualities to the game, else folks wouldn't be playing it at all. Trouble is cracking that coconut with your bare hands on sand, seeing as SE didn't bother to give you a rock.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Having not played open beta (I don't based decisions on a final game based on any sort of beta) I bought the game and played a few hours last night and this morning and I think it's fine. If anything, all the negative stuff posted on here the last week or so has made me convinced how many trolls inhabited the boards pushing some biased agenda. I don't get why anyone would waste their time spouting such crap to be honest - but it's the internet so hey, go figure.
The game is gorgeous, plays in a relatively straightforward manner, not really complicated or 'hardwork' at all. It gives you all the explanations needed, and often points you in the right directions. I kept reading things here about 'this game doesn't hold your hand' when actually it does hold your hand quite alot explaining or providing explanations for many things, marking down locations on maps, explaining leves etc.
The launch went fairly well thus far (I guess we will see how it goes when normal copy launched next week), and despite a very long patching wait which I put down to many people manually downloading the patches thus removing themselves from torrent queues (I downloaded manually in the end so I could get on quicker). All in all, looks like a fun game
As for the controls, I have no problem playing with a mouse and keyboard - and I almost went and bought a controller which would've been a total waste. The music is awesome too btw, and really blew me away.
Actually FF XIV is a very good mmo, perhaps the learning curve is higher than some games, but there is lots to do, and I am having a blast. I know a lot of WoW players post on this website, but it's just one of those things, if the game requires effort and has a learning curve it may not be your cup of tea...but just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others won't find the game hits their spot.
I just wonder if you haven't played the beta, how do you base your opinion about issues still being there or judge whether or not mouse lag has changed if you hadn't previously experienced the issues. I suppose you could of read about them in one of the many negative posts about the game, but even then it's a bit of a stretch to convey it as you do.
In fact given what you've wrote I can only come to one conclusion : You've never played the game, read about the issues on the forum watched the trailer fabricated your story using what you know about the game and other posts on the forums and made the comments about the mouse movement and interface to add credibility and in part a sense of objectiveness to your post. But, I saw past your clever veil boy I know that a person who knows nothing about the game and who is happily playing Age of Conan isn't going to randomly switch over to a overly different MMO.
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Let me stop you there before you go too far.
If a player who just picked up the game finds these problems, it doesn't matter in any way that he wasn't in beta.
The fact that he wasn't in beta doesn't matter, as he is the majority who will be playing this game in the future, this is a fact.
His opinion is infinitely less biased then yours because he wasn't in beta, his matters more.
Oh WindSoul, Naive blind WindSoul. What a fool you've been.. apparently you let yourself stop before you read beyond the first sentence of my post. To quote my self "You've never played the game..." so not only are your points irrelevant, you also go on to assume that I've played in the beta. I didn't play in the beta, I have capped internet and it would take up a large amount of my quota for the month - And I'm not that committed.
Sorry that you believe his pointless lie about how he played the game, but I see past the facade it's a shame that you're so blinded by your own idiocy.
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I'm hoping youre being sarcastic, lol.
I definately played the game, and also have a buddy key up for grabs if anyone wants it...
Your hope is misplaced child, for I see you for what you are.
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This is true.
But if the new crowd tries something and misses the 'how' shouldn't those that have the first hand experience try and enlighten them on the true facts? Or should we continue to allow them to be misinformed, and spread that misinformation to everyone else?
According to most on these forums, if you even try to point out the true facts, to correct the misinformation, then you are nothing but a troll or a fanboi. Myself, I personally care less what game is being discussed, if I have first hand knowledge that proves something is misinformation I will try and point it out, because I believe being well informed is the only way to properly judge anything. Some here disagree, they prefer the opinion, the heresay, and the 'story', over the facts. And they go out of thier way to use any and all insults they can to defend that view point too.
The point that should be made, isn't if his opinion is valuable or not, but is it the truth. If someone says 'there is no way to move the map around in this game' and we know you can with IJKL keys, shouldn't we be helping them out and telling them how to do what they missed? And if we do try and help them out, should be we subjected to the name calling and insults that appear more commonplace amongst 4th graders than adults?
Seriously though, which way do you all wish it to be? Should the people who know the truth let the misguided and misinformed continue on thier path, and spread it however they wish? Or should we continue to try and give out the correct information in hopes that in the future, less people encounter the same mistakes?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I think the point that was trying to be made was from the original post was....
If a person wasn't in beta to comment on the mouse lag being gone for good but other issues with the ui still being there seems to suggest that they were getting game information before the game was released.
So the question is... was logging into the game the first impression or were reviews/blogs/forums the first impression?
A person new to the game with no previous knowledge would probably not notice the improvement of the hardware mouse and would definately not comment on whether the ui issues where still in game...
Just my 2cents
LOL, its a conspiracy!
but no... I wouldnt just walk into the shop and buy a CE edition of FFXIV.
i brushed over the forums, and the major concern i could see was with using a keyboard/mouse. Since i use a keyboard/mouse to play mmorpgs, i was a little concerned... and thus, also bought a gamepad when i collected my copy from eb
would be rude not to :P
It's so nice that you can respond with so much irrelevancy.
lol you're a trip... The anticipation to type a post like that post-launch must have been killing you.
Actually performance *has* improved in the live client - at least for me. And I mean, notably improved, not slightly.
Before when I got around a lot of people, the game would "pause" every couple seconds... really noticeably. Now I can be in town in an enclosed area with 2 dozen people around me and it runs without a hitch. The other areas are all the better.
Hardware mouse has improved overall interaction, of course and the menu system is crisper and more responsive as well. There is a bit of a delay still when starting levequests or opening up a shop, but I'm sure those will be improved before long as well.
On the whole, though, I would say live is definitely performing much better than Beta. So... seems there was something of a "miracle patch" after all.
Of course, for those whose expectations or desires of "what they wanted SE to do for them", there never would be a miracle patch because those people would never be satisfied. There's more than a few of that type around here.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Lol no conspiracy.
I don't disagree with your initial post but I think its easy to have your first impression influenced by what you see and read.
I think for the new players coming into this game the ones with patching issues who aren't computer savvy enough to correct them are going to be more than a little frustrated.
I agree that the new person logging in could be given more direction when it comes to the opening storyline.
Performance issues with PC games are generally a big pain to resolve, for some people the game runs like ass and others aren't having any problems at all so there will be some people frustrated with that for a multitude of reasons until some of the reasons can be sorted.
I do also think that the game has alot of potential to be very good despite the issues that people are having and I would advise to stick with it and be patient since you've already got it ....
and read the dialogues
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As to this, you make a good point, I believe they shouldn't be misinformed, and you should strive to inform them before they spread it.
Unfortunately a majority of those new players will NEVER state their opinion, and will simply leave the game to die along with their money that would support the future endeavors of the dev team. So we can't afford to piss off the few that do state their opinion by telling them off.
It's important that we get this information, because it let's us know how a completely new person will see the game, and if they will continue to add to the pool of money that supports the game or not. (As well as being a community member).
This boils down to the fact that if you enjoy this game in any capacity, you will take the time to realize how important a newcomers opinion is.
I see you coming in here and try to screw up the thread.
If you don't have anything constructive to say ... please don't say anything at all.
For my 50 cents: very happy to hear the ui got more responsive and the hardware mouse is in.
This 'll make alot of people less itchy. Still going to postpone purchase for a few months until evrything settles down a bit more. (the whole macroing scenario has to be streamlined a bit more if possible).
A bit out of topic , but have anyone seen just how many wow players are in fact playing right now? all the dedicated sites are full of " i played wow for X years " on every introduccion i read while i was looking around to advertise my guild.Not so many "i Played FFXI for X years" , at least not as many as i tought it would be .
Just somethin that made me wonder thats all.
Made you wonder what?
Made me wonder the game is not as bad as people claim it is , when people outside of the FFXI fan group and from the other edge of the mmo industry , wow players , are actually moving into ffxiv.
Not me tought i know what ffxiv is and why i like it , just was speaking my mind in general towards the complains about ffxiv.
I think the lesson here is, as others have said (and been called fanbois for it by some) is that it really *is* a system-by-system situation. And I also agree that there are some people on here who expect to run FFXIV at max settings with 2 year-old hardware and are astonished to find it won't run the game smoothly. Of course, they'll seldom admit to having out-dated hardware, and would sooner blame it on the game.
SE has already stated, a while ago, that they made the game deliberately with a look to future hardware. Most computers are not going to be able to run it at max settings currently, and won't be for another couple years. This is a smart move, considering MMOs are a game that people stick with for years. They don't "beat it" in a few weeks, and then toss it aside for the next game (well, some do that).
People are comparing a game, AoC, that's had 2 over years of patches and tweaks made to improve its performance, add content, etc... not to mention developed around 2 year old graphics tech in the first place... to a MMO that just launched yesterday, has not yet received even its first post-launch patch, and is developed for current tech with room for growth in the future..
It's no a fair comparison to make.
And I happen to remember AoC's launch being among the worst of any out there. Bugs, exploits, crashes, performance issues... Content hyped up pre-release not making it in-game for launch, or even months after... you name it. But of course, when one's agenda is to slam another game, they'll choose to ignore "little" details like that... especially like certain people around here.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Holy hostile batman!
The game is poorly optimized, but frankly AoC looked like crap to me.
lol if that first line was at me, then I agree.. I went back and edited the post... came across more hostile and specific than I intended lol.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops