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If Blizzard were to make a equally successful fantasy sandbox mmo as to the success of WoW, people w
Mystict4orce
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Lets be real here people.
Even if a power house like Blizzard were to make us a Sandbox mmorpg that became as successful as WoW, we would still bicker about something. the same old same old "BAH BAH BAH,, BLIZZARD KILLED THE GENRE,,, SO MANY CLONES BAH BAH BAH"
To be honest, the reason I believe the genre is feeling so stail is do to something I call the "IP Transition Effect"
What this is, is the Syndrome in which the fans of a certain art, dislike or disapproves of the outcome of a changed design to an original IP/ original art.
We seen this with Everquest-?Everquest2. Fans cant accept change some times. Even if it improves on basic concepts.
You can also see the behavior if you have ever debated in an old school Halloween 1 vs Remake discussion against an old school Halloween fanboy. To people with this mindset, Original> all no matter what.
Also another problem that plagues this gaming genre is the ego centric mindset that fuels fanboysims jealousies of products that are best on the market.
Iam not going to lie. I was in that same boat a some time ago. I use to Hate Iphone, Halo ½ fps, Xbox, Nike shoes, Jordan shoes, HalfLife fps, World of Warcraft, all because they were the best on the market, and it was all people would talk about. But once I actually set down and gave it a equal chance, I feel deep in passion with these in some way. Damn I can still remember the day I hated on Halo2 for winning top game at G4oria. But on the Christmas following the 360s release, I received a Halo1/2 bundle pack, and fucking fell in love with FPS from then on!!! (Damn My 360 broke though so I never got to get Halo 3+ QQ)
Even if a power house like Blizzard were to make us a Sandbox mmorpg that became as successful as WoW, we would still bicker about something. the same old same old "BAH BAH BAH,, BLIZZARD KILLED THE GENRE,,, SO MANY CLONES BAH BAH BAH"
To be honest, the reason I believe the genre is feeling so stail is do to something I call the "IP Transition Effect"
What this is, is the Syndrome in which the fans of a certain art, dislike or disapproves of the outcome of a changed design to an original IP/ original art.
We seen this with Everquest-?Everquest2. Fans cant accept change some times. Even if it improves on basic concepts.
You can also see the behavior if you have ever debated in an old school Halloween 1 vs Remake discussion against an old school Halloween fanboy. To people with this mindset, Original> all no matter what.
Also another problem that plagues this gaming genre is the ego centric mindset that fuels fanboysims jealousies of products that are best on the market.
Iam not going to lie. I was in that same boat a some time ago. I use to Hate Iphone, Halo ½ fps, Xbox, Nike shoes, Jordan shoes, HalfLife fps, World of Warcraft, all because they were the best on the market, and it was all people would talk about. But once I actually set down and gave it a equal chance, I feel deep in passion with these in some way. Damn I can still remember the day I hated on Halo2 for winning top game at G4oria. But on the Christmas following the 360s release, I received a Halo1/2 bundle pack, and fucking fell in love with FPS from then on!!! (Damn My 360 broke though so I never got to get Halo 3+ QQ)
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If anyone where to do anything, people would still complain.
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People would still complain because it wouldn't really be a sandbox MMO. They won't make one, because all Blizzard knows is how to design games for the lowest common denominator of gamer in an attempt to appeal to the broadest audience possible. Sandbox MMOs aren't for the mass market gamers because they require thought and don't hand hold the players down a linear path of content.
People complain about anything.
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Exactly what game are you playing? Oh and it's spelled d.e.n.o.m.i.n.a.t.o.r. oh one of great thought.
Tsk Tsk Tsk blizzard could probably make any genre of mmo better than anyone if they wanted. The reason people complain about WoW is because its so immensely popular.
exactly no matter what game it is if its better then wow or any game, people will complain about it being to hard or just crap. People just need to get over it.
If they can as you claim make a good sandbox MMO, what would it matter? What they can do is irrelevant when they won't ever do it.
WoW is as popular as it is in part because of the polish, but it's primarily because the design of the game is specifically done so as to be as addictive as possible, and it's not that way because they 'made an amazing game'. It's addictive because they know how to design content to be as repetitive as possible, without seeming that way. They've mastered the art of dangling a seemingly easy to obtain carrot, amongst an endless supply of carrots, infront of players, and rewards them for the littlest of 'achievements' possible. This doesn't work in a sandbox MMO however, because they wouldn't be able to design their dungeon lottery loot system into such a game.
Does anyone else see the irony here?
Irony sucks.
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If blizzard were to made a real sandbox, noone would complain
If blizzard were to made a sandbox that their current playerbase understood, everybody would be grabbing their torches because it would deserve to die in a fire for greater justice
a sandbox that the average WoWtard can play can only be described like this: abomination to the eyes of God
If Blizzard cured cancer someone would say they stole the idea. Some people are incapable of rational unbiased thought. There's people who complain about Blizzard simply because WoW has become popular. They're usually the kids that nobody talked to in highschool.
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with the kind of money they have, can you imagine the sandbox mmo they could do? It could be amazing..
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same could be said about McDonalds. with the kind of money they had, they could move into a haute cuisine franchise that would revolutionize the gourmet sector.
but they wont, because that would be making a product for the polar opposite of the market they have raised for years
WoW caters to the MMO player version of rednecks and brain damaged guys. You dont create a product for intellectuals, then school the rednecks and cure the brain damaged guys. because you want to keep rednecks being rednecks and brain damaged being brain damaged.
because they ARE your market
if anything, blizzards next MMO will be even more lowest common denominator.Im thinking about something related to the social network kind of lowlifes...
No they wouldn't. There is no perfect game and so there will be those that don't like either game irrespective of their game style preference.
Besides which a lot of the hating you see for WoW isn't really directed at blizzard. Much of the bitching is about the direction of the other games being released in general which blizzard can not really be held responsible for (selling that mount aside, that was a fkin disgrace).
If they make a sandbox while paying the same level of attention to it and the players needs that they seem to have made with wow and that target crowd I would be more than happy.
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To be honest, if ANYONE was to make a sandbox mmo, I would WANT it to be Blizzard.. They basically control the mmo market right now and have the budget to spend making a decent sandbox mmo. And if they do it and do it well, maybe companies would copy their sandbox formula instead.
Blizzard has the finances to take a chance in the sandbox arena. They also have the I.P.s that people love.. Perhaps a sandbox style mmo based on Starcraft?
Complaining on these forums is way more fun than playing modern MMORPGs, in my opinion.
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if blizz made a sandbox MMO i'dcertainly at least try it with an open mind. by the same token if CCP made a quest based theme park MMO i'd try it too, because those 2 companies know how the hell to make good games.
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We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Well they're doing World of Darkness, which is as close as they'll probably get. I wouldn't look for them to start any major new projects for at least several years since they're stretched paper-thin already what with Dust 514 and the EVE Incarna project (basically EVE 2).
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Yeah thanks for bringing that up iWoD and Tera are the only games I'm looking forward to.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Not everyone would complain .....at first. Not until Blizzard "streamlines" the new game. I loved Vanilla WoW, didn't start complaining until after BC came out and the direction of the game changed.
Not so Mystic.. I complain about WoW and others for simple ANTI social gaming mechanics.. How many can people can get credit and loot for open world encounters.. No more then 5.. Can 11 people go on a raid? Can 15? Can 17? Can 28? Can 32? I think you and others know where I'm going.. I dont' like MMO games restricting social behavior because the devs don't have the SKILL to program a true MMO game.. However GW2 is on the horizon and there are many features I like so far such as open world raids and SOFT grouping.. dynamic events.. I hope they lead and start a new trend in the MMO genre..
With the kind of money they have, you can imagine how much they don't give a s*** about few people (mostly kidst up to age 16) complaining
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You can even go with 2 to Raid. Shrug.
A lot of achievements can be done with doing 21 people to Raid on 25 content.
Cata's introduction of rated Battlegrounds with premades consisting of 80% of its participants is a very nice way to enhance social team play. It will be a blast.
Also check on the upcoming guild wars or like Blizzard calls them "Wargames": you invite another guild to fight over a Battleground with the same rules of engagement. Tarren Mill like ...but this tilme with even odds and at least cohensive tactics and communications.
The above 2 competitive PvP systems makes GW already redundant.
The guild progression system is in place - both for PVE and PvP.
If you don't want to be in a guild or play with friends: don't accuse the game: accuse yourself.
The new Tol Barad is pure RvR with rewards.
But of course these things don't "fit" into your statements.