I only skimmed over this thread... but there are some reality checks people need to receive.
1. NCsoft owns anet, they are the parent company, they could shut down gw2 and anet tomorrow if they wanted, obviously that wouldn't be a good idea in any way shape or form, but do not think that they don't have complete power over anet.
2. The GW2 manifesto has not been fully delivered on, you must be kidding. You can't hate on a bunch of ogres sitting in a field, and then claim your centaurs blow up bridges, when they just have an invisible tripwire of a script they run past and the bridge magically explodes into block like pieces.
Cool effects are cool.
3. You can't hate on kill quests and gather quests when dynamic events have you doing the same thing.
And you get a battlesuit after finishing the dynamic event, what's not to like?
I only skimmed over this thread... but there are some reality checks people need to receive.
1. NCsoft owns anet, they are the parent company, they could shut down gw2 and anet tomorrow if they wanted, obviously that wouldn't be a good idea in any way shape or form, but do not think that they don't have complete power over anet.
2. The GW2 manifesto has not been fully delivered on, you must be kidding. You can't hate on a bunch of ogres sitting in a field, and then claim your centaurs blow up bridges, when they just have an invisible tripwire of a script they run past and the bridge magically explodes into block like pieces.
3. You can't hate on kill quests and gather quests when dynamic events have you doing the same thing.
Well innovation doesn't mean something you make completely new. It means make something better.
One other thing, from your posts, I guess our computers now are basically the same computers 30 years ago, only hundreds of times faster. You could also say the smartphones we have today are just the ordinary phones we had over a decade ago. Maybe our cars are still the same as they were 50 years ago.... you get a reality check.
I only skimmed over this thread... but there are some reality checks people need to receive.
1. NCsoft owns anet, they are the parent company, they could shut down gw2 and anet tomorrow if they wanted, obviously that wouldn't be a good idea in any way shape or form, but do not think that they don't have complete power over anet.
2. The GW2 manifesto has not been fully delivered on, you must be kidding. You can't hate on a bunch of ogres sitting in a field, and then claim your centaurs blow up bridges, when they just have an invisible tripwire of a script they run past and the bridge magically explodes into block like pieces.
3. You can't hate on kill quests and gather quests when dynamic events have you doing the same thing.
Good points, but just to make it a bit more clear...
1. NCsoft west, was a combination of a bunch of western companies. However, ArenaNet was left untouched because they showed the most promise (from a massivley interview.) Instead, a few members went on to play major top roles in NCsoft west. With that said, NCsoft has controll over Arenanet, but cleary stated in various interviews, that they are left alone in "capable" hands.
2. This one I don't get what you are trying to say. Ogres standing in a field is COMPLETELY different from centaurs attacking a village. Sure the centaurs didn't run wires around the pillars and order a group of 50 to pull it down. But an attack (even if it is not absolutely realistic) is much better than no attack at all... especially if the lore/quest says there is an attack. Right after the centaur knock out the barrels, you can clearly see lightning, or whatever, shoot up the bridge to destroy it. In real Havok use.
3. Dynamic events are not kill quests. Unless by kill quest you mean a killing of a creature, then yea obviously they have killing in the game. They hate on quests that send you out to kill 10 rats. Then when that quest is complete, it sends you out to kill 10 fanged rats. Then 10 large striped rats. That won't exist in the game. Obviously by repairing a bridge you may have to kill bandits and bring wood to the repairmen; but it won't be kill 10 bandit theives, then 10 bandit soldiers, than 5 bandit leaders, or what not.
I only skimmed over this thread... but there are some reality checks people need to receive.
1. NCsoft owns anet, they are the parent company, they could shut down gw2 and anet tomorrow if they wanted, obviously that wouldn't be a good idea in any way shape or form, but do not think that they don't have complete power over anet.
Patrick Wyatt he was the Vice President of Research and Development and a senior programmer. Wyatt was the leader of Battle.net gaming network's programming and a major contributor on the multiplayer parts of Blizzard's popular games including StarCraft, Diablo andWarcraft II: Tides of Darkness.
It's the same with EA not meddling with bioware bro
2. The GW2 manifesto has not been fully delivered on, you must be kidding. You can't hate on a bunch of ogres sitting in a field, and then claim your centaurs blow up bridges, when they just have an invisible tripwire of a script they run past and the bridge magically explodes into block like pieces.
As compare to field of mob standing and grazing. Hell yeah man....bring it on!!!
3. You can't hate on kill quests and gather quests when dynamic events have you doing the same thing.
Well....I travel the world....I see stuff happening....i decide to help the poor bastard or let him suffer.
Compare to
I go to quest hub...take kill order...go to "X" mark the zone (which is usually a field of grazing mob) and start hacking on them.
Think bout it, do u see a field of cow and feel like jumping in and butchering them with a chainsaw because ur friend tell u that those cow may posed a danger to people walking by (but they're so docile grazing the field)
or u see cow attacking people and u go butcher them? or let the cow kill the guy
Odd how they're both from the same parent company. Funny how these things happen.
OH a manifesto is what they hope to accomplish btw. Their 'Vision' if you will.
I don't see the problem, NCsoft is one of the biggest mmo company in the world, whats your point? They are the equivalent of bioware for asian mmo. And honestly if they hadn't brought back pvp in mmos with Lineage2, i think we would still play those EQ full pve crap, and would still struggle to find any pvp feature in mmos. Look at WoW, pvp wasn't even a core design feature, just because it followed the full pve EQ crap. So Ncsoft being The company attached to any big pvp title out there is nothing strange, its a fact; you like it or not; and they deserve some respect because of it. And honestly NC made a lot less crap than many other western companies like EA and SOE for exemple, at least they seam to like the games they sell, even if they weren't always very good. So i bet you better put your chauvinism back were it belong.
Not sure I get your point, I think the manifesto was one of the greatest dedicace to the genre in the last 6 years.
I dunno. To me it felt more like one of those cheesy Les Schwab commercials. Yeah we get it, there are real people that care about us. And they put us first when making their product. I feel bad for people that buy into those types of ads. And yes folks, ANets "manifesto" is nothing more than an advertisement. It worked like a charm on a lot of folks here. They told every WoW hater out there exactly what they wanted to hear and it got eaten up hook line and sinker.
Seriously you wonder why this was so well received? Might have something to do with the fact that the Anet team showing they are trying to push the genre resonates with fans of the genre. Add in the fact that most of what they've put in the Manifesto has already been confirmed by gameplay videos and the only person getting fooled is yourself by your own cynicism.
It's a good thing there are people like you to protect humanity from Anet's evil propoganda machine though.
Im not gonna try to protect you. Youll learn soon enough.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity.
If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video.
Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
I only skimmed over this thread... but there are some reality checks people need to receive.
1. NCsoft owns anet, they are the parent company, they could shut down gw2 and anet tomorrow if they wanted, obviously that wouldn't be a good idea in any way shape or form, but do not think that they don't have complete power over anet.
No one knows for a fact what agreements exist (contractual or otherwise) between NCSoft and Anet and until it starts having an effect on the development of the game I simply don't care. It'll be ready when it's ready is music to my ears.
2. The GW2 manifesto has not been fully delivered on, you must be kidding. You can't hate on a bunch of ogres sitting in a field, and then claim your centaurs blow up bridges, when they just have an invisible tripwire of a script they run past and the bridge magically explodes into block like pieces.
The whole point is that the Centaurs come to attack a village and destroy the environment and NPC's unless the players intercedes. This has been seen even in the early alpha gameplay demo where bandits attack a famers field and set fire to it unless you either kill the bandits and/or put out the fires by grabbing buckets of water.
3. You can't hate on kill quests and gather quests when dynamic events have you doing the same thing.
What the dev said is that getting quest text telling you that Centaurs are coming to attack and meanwhile they are just sitting in a spawn area and you get a kill x centaurs and the centaurs never do anything other than wait for you that it is not ok. If you want to nitpick the way that the environment is destroyed then the big picture is clearly going over your head.
Originally posted by Elox1 Originally posted by Foomerang
Originally posted by Elox1
Originally posted by Foomerang
Originally posted by lunatis Not sure I get your point, I think the manifesto was one of the greatest dedicace to the genre in the last 6 years.
I dunno. To me it felt more like one of those cheesy Les Schwab commercials. Yeah we get it, there are real people that care about us. And they put us first when making their product. I feel bad for people that buy into those types of ads. And yes folks, ANets "manifesto" is nothing more than an advertisement. It worked like a charm on a lot of folks here. They told every WoW hater out there exactly what they wanted to hear and it got eaten up hook line and sinker.
Seriously you wonder why this was so well received? Might have something to do with the fact that the Anet team showing they are trying to push the genre resonates with fans of the genre. Add in the fact that most of what they've put in the Manifesto has already been confirmed by gameplay videos and the only person getting fooled is yourself by your own cynicism. It's a good thing there are people like you to protect humanity from Anet's evil propoganda machine though.
Im not gonna try to protect you. Youll learn soon enough.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity. If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video. Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
We are having a difference of opinion. Its your own insecurities that are making you believe that im on some sort of crusade. Repeat after me, its ok to not agree.
Not sure I get your point, I think the manifesto was one of the greatest dedicace to the genre in the last 6 years.
I dunno. To me it felt more like one of those cheesy Les Schwab commercials. Yeah we get it, there are real people that care about us. And they put us first when making their product. I feel bad for people that buy into those types of ads. And yes folks, ANets "manifesto" is nothing more than an advertisement. It worked like a charm on a lot of folks here. They told every WoW hater out there exactly what they wanted to hear and it got eaten up hook line and sinker.
Seriously you wonder why this was so well received? Might have something to do with the fact that the Anet team showing they are trying to push the genre resonates with fans of the genre. Add in the fact that most of what they've put in the Manifesto has already been confirmed by gameplay videos and the only person getting fooled is yourself by your own cynicism.
It's a good thing there are people like you to protect humanity from Anet's evil propoganda machine though.
Im not gonna try to protect you. Youll learn soon enough.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity.
If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video.
Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
We are having a difference of opinion. Its your own insecurities that are making you believe that im on some sort of crusade. Repeat after me, its ok to not agree.
I think you guy kind of mix up advertising and false advertising. If some advertising are in fact false they are not all, saying all advertising are false is a bit idiotic if you ask me. The future will tell, but i really think the guys that claim the manifesto is false advertising are going a bit too far. Even if false advertising, i must admit seam to be a bit more common for the mmos than other industrial product.
Not sure I get your point, I think the manifesto was one of the greatest dedicace to the genre in the last 6 years.
I dunno. To me it felt more like one of those cheesy Les Schwab commercials. Yeah we get it, there are real people that care about us. And they put us first when making their product. I feel bad for people that buy into those types of ads. And yes folks, ANets "manifesto" is nothing more than an advertisement. It worked like a charm on a lot of folks here. They told every WoW hater out there exactly what they wanted to hear and it got eaten up hook line and sinker.
Seriously you wonder why this was so well received? Might have something to do with the fact that the Anet team showing they are trying to push the genre resonates with fans of the genre. Add in the fact that most of what they've put in the Manifesto has already been confirmed by gameplay videos and the only person getting fooled is yourself by your own cynicism.
It's a good thing there are people like you to protect humanity from Anet's evil propoganda machine though.
Im not gonna try to protect you. Youll learn soon enough.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity.
If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video.
Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
We are having a difference of opinion. Its your own insecurities that are making you believe that im on some sort of crusade. Repeat after me, its ok to not agree.
I have no issue at all with disagreeing if the manifesto laid out by Anet is achievable or not, that's what opinions are for. The fact is you came in here insulting those who have a difference of opinion to yourself. If you'd chosen to simply give your opinion on the video instead of the people that like the video then we could have had a constructive conversation or just simply agreed to disagree without personal attacks.
I dont think it is purely true vs false advertising. its the fact that a lot of people here dont even recognize it as an advertisement at all, which it most certainly is. they slapped the word manifesto on a commercial and people become mesmerized and think its gospel.
just look at the threads about gw2 around here. people get excited even when anet announces that they arent going to announce anything. they stand up and applaud their honesty. love is blind is all i gotta say. and most gw2 fanatics around here are in love with the idea if gw2. thats right, the IDEA of gw2 because frankly, there isnt enough info about this game to even come close to calling it the savior of mmos. but people want a champion so badly for some reason that they cant objectify anything anymore. if you raise a counter argument youre either a cynic,troll, or they'll try to label you a fanboy of some other game; all the while accusing you of not wanting to have a mature discussion.
i just roll with it. people wanna hate me for calling it like i see it, i dont mind. they want to go on some pity streak saying how jaded i am, doesnt bother me. im not jaded, im just stating my opinion.
most of the most hardcore anet followers display battered wife syndrome heh. they swear that this time its gonna be different. and even if they get burned yet again, it wont matter. they'll find another game or dev to latch onto and displace much too much of their happiness into a video game.
I have no issue at all with disagreeing if the manifesto laid out by Anet is achievable or not, that's what opinions are for. The fact is you came in here insulting those who have a difference of opinion to yourself. If you'd chosen to simply give your opinion on the video instead of the people that like the video then we could have had a constructive conversation or just simply agreed to disagree without personal attacks.
I called out a general stereotype, which holds true. never made a single personal attack. unless you took what i said personally, then its on you my friend, not me.
I dont think it is purely true vs false advertising. its the fact that a lot of people here dont even recognize it as an advertisement at all, which it most certainly is. they slapped the word manifesto on a commercial and people become mesmerized and think its gospel.
just look at the threads about gw2 around here. people get excited even when anet announces that they arent going to announce anything. they stand up and applaud their honesty. love is blind is all i gotta say. and most gw2 fanatics around here are in love with the idea if gw2. thats right, the IDEA of gw2 because frankly, there isnt enough info about this game to even come close to calling it the savior of mmos. but people want a champion so badly for some reason that they cant objectify anything anymore. if you raise a counter argument youre either a cynic,troll, or they'll try to label you a fanboy of some other game; all the while accusing you of not wanting to have a mature discussion.
i just roll with it. people wanna hate me for calling it like i see it, i dont mind. they want to go on some pity streak saying how jaded i am, doesnt bother me. im not jaded, im just stating my opinion.
most of the most hardcore anet followers display battered wife syndrome heh. they swear that this time its gonna be different. and even if they get burned yet again, it wont matter. they'll find another game or dev to latch onto and displace much too much of their happiness into a video game.
Of course it's an advertisement same as any trailer is and I don't think anyone here has said that it isn't. No one here has claimed that it's gospel. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I like the video because they talk about what they want their MMO to be and I agree that I would like to play such an MMO. Simple as that. You act like Anet is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes when the purpose of the video is to state their intentions for their upcoming MMO. How dare they!
I'm struggling to understand what the point of you calling out Anet's Manifesto video is, other than to rile up GW2 fans. You haven't even discussed the content of the video, just that you think it's an advertisement and somehow think that none of us realize that. If it is or isn't an advertisement... who cares, what difference does that make? The content of the video is what people care about, not whether it is or isn't an ad. The only one that seems to care about that is you.
You can label GW2 fans all you like as suffering from battered wife syndrome mesmerized fanboys that take every word Anet says as gospel and that we all think GW2 is the savior of MMO's and we're in love with it. But in reality I am just liking what I see so far and I'm anticipating more info. I try to educate others that haven't taken the time to look into the game at all and often have false assumptions and I don't care for people that come in bringing negativity and insults towards me just because I'm a fan of GW2 so far.
If you want to actually talk about GW2 in the GW2 forums then I'd be happy to oblige, but if you'd prefer to continue to call down GW2 fans than to actually discuss the game then I'll do what I should have done from the beginning and just ignore you.
I dont think it is purely true vs false advertising. its the fact that a lot of people here dont even recognize it as an advertisement at all, which it most certainly is. they slapped the word manifesto on a commercial and people become mesmerized and think its gospel.
just look at the threads about gw2 around here. people get excited even when anet announces that they arent going to announce anything. they stand up and applaud their honesty. love is blind is all i gotta say. and most gw2 fanatics around here are in love with the idea if gw2. thats right, the IDEA of gw2 because frankly, there isnt enough info about this game to even come close to calling it the savior of mmos. but people want a champion so badly for some reason that they cant objectify anything anymore. if you raise a counter argument youre either a cynic,troll, or they'll try to label you a fanboy of some other game; all the while accusing you of not wanting to have a mature discussion.
i just roll with it. people wanna hate me for calling it like i see it, i dont mind. they want to go on some pity streak saying how jaded i am, doesnt bother me. im not jaded, im just stating my opinion.
most of the most hardcore anet followers display battered wife syndrome heh. they swear that this time its gonna be different. and even if they get burned yet again, it wont matter. they'll find another game or dev to latch onto and displace much too much of their happiness into a video game.
Of course it's an advertisement same as any trailer is and I don't think anyone here has said that it isn't. No one here has claimed that it's gospel. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I like the video because they talk about what they want their MMO to be and I agree that I would like to play such an MMO. Simple as that. You act like Anet is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes when the purpose of the video is to state their intentions for their upcoming MMO. How dare they!
I'm struggling to understand what the point of you calling out Anet's Manifesto video is, other than to rile up GW2 fans. You haven't even discussed the content of the video, just that you think it's an advertisement and somehow think that none of us realize that. If it is or isn't an advertisement... who cares, what difference does that make? The content of the video is what people care about, not whether it is or isn't an ad. The only one that seems to care about that is you.
You can label GW2 fans all you like as suffering from battered wife syndrome mesmerized fanboys that take every word Anet says as gospel and that we all think GW2 is the savior of MMO's and we're in love with it. But in reality I am just liking what I see so far and I'm anticipating more info. I try to educate others that haven't taken the time to look into the game at all and often have false assumptions and I don't care for people that come in bringing negativity and insults towards me just because I'm a fan of GW2 so far.
If you want to actually talk about GW2 in the GW2 forums then I'd be happy to oblige, but if you'd prefer to continue to call down GW2 fans than to actually discuss the game then I'll do what I should have done from the beginning and just ignore you.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
I hesitate to ask since you appear to have completely ignored the points in my post, but how did you come to the conclusion that GW2 is a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO?
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
I hesitate to ask since you appear to have completely ignored the points in my post, but how did you come to the conclusion that GW2 is a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO?
From everything I've seen on my own and what you've supplied, which again my thanks because I haven't seen it before; all the dynamic changes are applied by having a form of an instance. A separated game environment from which to advance your own 'personal story' (their words not mine) that makes the world change.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
I hesitate to ask since you appear to have completely ignored the points in my post, but how did you come to the conclusion that GW2 is a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO?
From everything I've seen on my own and what you've supplied, which again my thanks because I haven't seen it before; all the dynamic changes are applied by having a form of an instance. A separated game environment from which to advance your own 'personal story' (their words not mine) that makes the world change.
I think I see what you are saying. They are pulling in some single player elements like having your own branching storyline and personal instance in the home city which reflects decisions you've made. I would still say the entire persistent world with dynamic events that bring people together makes it a proper MMO. It's kind of like saying SWTOR is not an MMO because you have your own ship and your own personal storyline. These are things that I feel are added to the MMO, not taking away from them. But I think I understand where you're coming from, thanks for clarifying.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
I hesitate to ask since you appear to have completely ignored the points in my post, but how did you come to the conclusion that GW2 is a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO?
From everything I've seen on my own and what you've supplied, which again my thanks because I haven't seen it before; all the dynamic changes are applied by having a form of an instance. A separated game environment from which to advance your own 'personal story' (their words not mine) that makes the world change.
I think I see what you are saying. They are pulling in some single player elements like having your own branching storyline and personal instance in the home city which reflects decisions you've made. I would still say the entire persistent world with dynamic events that bring people together makes it a proper MMO. It's kind of like saying SWTOR is not an MMO because you have your own ship and your own personal storyline. These are things that I feel are added to the MMO, not taking away from them. But I think I understand where you're coming from, thanks for clarifying.
tbh I think SWTOR will be more of a single player game than GW2 will be based on what I've read and seen so far.
Odd how they're both from the same parent company. Funny how these things happen.
OH a manifesto is what they hope to accomplish btw. Their 'Vision' if you will.
Yep, didn't I read somewhere on the Trion site that the fellow responsible for these Aion marketing videos is now in the employment for Trion and working the marketing plan for Rift: Planes of Telara?
watch this ladies and gentlemen..lol..well at least one more time, I know I know you guys have all seen it b4..but I'll tellya..these guys must have brass balls to start their campaign like this..HOO-RAH ..bring on the compettiton!
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
Making comparisons between Aion and GW2 is silly. Two different markets. GW1 and GW2 are both more catered towards the Western audience, this is the majority of the current playerbase. and Aion, not surprisingly, developed for the players in Korea hence why it is successful in that part of the world. Not hard to figure out, Aion launched in Korea first and GW2 will launch in North America and Europe first because most of their revenue will come from those region.
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Are some of you really so silly as to believe that anet must have some sorta special agreement with ncsoft as a parent company that prevents ncsoft from having all the liberties of a parent company despite the fact that they literally OWN ncsoft?
Anet is a division of NCsoft, you need to come to terms with that.
Odd how they're both from the same parent company. Funny how these things happen.
OH a manifesto is what they hope to accomplish btw. Their 'Vision' if you will.
Yep, didn't I read somewhere on the Trion site that the fellow responsible for these Aion marketing videos is now in the employment for Trion and working the marketing plan for Rift: Planes of Telara?
watch this ladies and gentlemen..lol..well at least one more time, I know I know you guys have all seen it b4..but I'll tellya..these guys must have brass balls to start their campaign like this..HOO-RAH ..bring on the compettiton!
I don't think anyone actually said that... Anet is not a part of NCsoft and that Anet couldn't get the switch thrown. What people are arguing is that Anet is developing this game how they want to. NCsoft is happy with what they see, and the player reaction.
To the people saying, "Manifesto is in large part an advertisment" -
Sure, but god I wish more games would do it that way, and then a month or 2 later show us all those events that were "advertised" in the game. Not all that were talked about, but all that were advertised. So yes, I agree - There were a large number of people that got up in arms about "You will see, GW2 will not be as good as you think it will be".
Do you realise why? No it isn't because they are fanboys, it is because they absolutely LOVE what they see on various YouTube videos. Maybe some people are not capable of seeing an event and fully grasping it's meaning. As a person that has rode zero hype trains up until now... I can safely say that if GW2 were to come out with a demo of sorts, I would still judge it and decide if it is for me or not. Believe me, I am 100% gungho too. Hype is harmless, get over it.
People think it's fun to pretend your a monster. Me I spend my life pretending I'm not. - Dexter Morgan
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This is not a game.
Well innovation doesn't mean something you make completely new. It means make something better.One other thing, from your posts, I guess our computers now are basically the same computers 30 years ago, only hundreds of times faster. You could also say the smartphones we have today are just the ordinary phones we had over a decade ago. Maybe our cars are still the same as they were 50 years ago.... you get a reality check.
Good points, but just to make it a bit more clear...
1. NCsoft west, was a combination of a bunch of western companies. However, ArenaNet was left untouched because they showed the most promise (from a massivley interview.) Instead, a few members went on to play major top roles in NCsoft west. With that said, NCsoft has controll over Arenanet, but cleary stated in various interviews, that they are left alone in "capable" hands.
2. This one I don't get what you are trying to say. Ogres standing in a field is COMPLETELY different from centaurs attacking a village. Sure the centaurs didn't run wires around the pillars and order a group of 50 to pull it down. But an attack (even if it is not absolutely realistic) is much better than no attack at all... especially if the lore/quest says there is an attack. Right after the centaur knock out the barrels, you can clearly see lightning, or whatever, shoot up the bridge to destroy it. In real Havok use.
3. Dynamic events are not kill quests. Unless by kill quest you mean a killing of a creature, then yea obviously they have killing in the game. They hate on quests that send you out to kill 10 rats. Then when that quest is complete, it sends you out to kill 10 fanged rats. Then 10 large striped rats. That won't exist in the game. Obviously by repairing a bridge you may have to kill bandits and bring wood to the repairmen; but it won't be kill 10 bandit theives, then 10 bandit soldiers, than 5 bandit leaders, or what not.
I don't see the problem, NCsoft is one of the biggest mmo company in the world, whats your point? They are the equivalent of bioware for asian mmo. And honestly if they hadn't brought back pvp in mmos with Lineage2, i think we would still play those EQ full pve crap, and would still struggle to find any pvp feature in mmos. Look at WoW, pvp wasn't even a core design feature, just because it followed the full pve EQ crap. So Ncsoft being The company attached to any big pvp title out there is nothing strange, its a fact; you like it or not; and they deserve some respect because of it. And honestly NC made a lot less crap than many other western companies like EA and SOE for exemple, at least they seam to like the games they sell, even if they weren't always very good. So i bet you better put your chauvinism back were it belong.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity.
If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video.
Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
I dunno. To me it felt more like one of those cheesy Les Schwab commercials. Yeah we get it, there are real people that care about us. And they put us first when making their product. I feel bad for people that buy into those types of ads. And yes folks, ANets "manifesto" is nothing more than an advertisement. It worked like a charm on a lot of folks here. They told every WoW hater out there exactly what they wanted to hear and it got eaten up hook line and sinker.
Seriously you wonder why this was so well received? Might have something to do with the fact that the Anet team showing they are trying to push the genre resonates with fans of the genre. Add in the fact that most of what they've put in the Manifesto has already been confirmed by gameplay videos and the only person getting fooled is yourself by your own cynicism.
It's a good thing there are people like you to protect humanity from Anet's evil propoganda machine though.
Im not gonna try to protect you. Youll learn soon enough.
You can get off your high horse, no one is asking for your protection. You can carry on thinking you are some kind of savior and we are all some doomed little lemmings but no one is asking for you to come and spout negativity.
If you want to have an intelligent discussion about concerns you have for the game then I'm more than willing to do so with you as I have my own concerns and that would be much more constructive than coming in here calling us all suckers for enjoying a trailer video.
Repeat after me: It's ok to be excited about a game
We are having a difference of opinion. Its your own insecurities that are making you believe that im on some sort of crusade. Repeat after me, its ok to not agree.
I think you guy kind of mix up advertising and false advertising. If some advertising are in fact false they are not all, saying all advertising are false is a bit idiotic if you ask me. The future will tell, but i really think the guys that claim the manifesto is false advertising are going a bit too far. Even if false advertising, i must admit seam to be a bit more common for the mmos than other industrial product.
I have no issue at all with disagreeing if the manifesto laid out by Anet is achievable or not, that's what opinions are for. The fact is you came in here insulting those who have a difference of opinion to yourself. If you'd chosen to simply give your opinion on the video instead of the people that like the video then we could have had a constructive conversation or just simply agreed to disagree without personal attacks.
I dont think it is purely true vs false advertising. its the fact that a lot of people here dont even recognize it as an advertisement at all, which it most certainly is. they slapped the word manifesto on a commercial and people become mesmerized and think its gospel.
just look at the threads about gw2 around here. people get excited even when anet announces that they arent going to announce anything. they stand up and applaud their honesty. love is blind is all i gotta say. and most gw2 fanatics around here are in love with the idea if gw2. thats right, the IDEA of gw2 because frankly, there isnt enough info about this game to even come close to calling it the savior of mmos. but people want a champion so badly for some reason that they cant objectify anything anymore. if you raise a counter argument youre either a cynic,troll, or they'll try to label you a fanboy of some other game; all the while accusing you of not wanting to have a mature discussion.
i just roll with it. people wanna hate me for calling it like i see it, i dont mind. they want to go on some pity streak saying how jaded i am, doesnt bother me. im not jaded, im just stating my opinion.
most of the most hardcore anet followers display battered wife syndrome heh. they swear that this time its gonna be different. and even if they get burned yet again, it wont matter. they'll find another game or dev to latch onto and displace much too much of their happiness into a video game.
I called out a general stereotype, which holds true. never made a single personal attack. unless you took what i said personally, then its on you my friend, not me.
Of course it's an advertisement same as any trailer is and I don't think anyone here has said that it isn't. No one here has claimed that it's gospel. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I like the video because they talk about what they want their MMO to be and I agree that I would like to play such an MMO. Simple as that. You act like Anet is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes when the purpose of the video is to state their intentions for their upcoming MMO. How dare they!
I'm struggling to understand what the point of you calling out Anet's Manifesto video is, other than to rile up GW2 fans. You haven't even discussed the content of the video, just that you think it's an advertisement and somehow think that none of us realize that. If it is or isn't an advertisement... who cares, what difference does that make? The content of the video is what people care about, not whether it is or isn't an ad. The only one that seems to care about that is you.
You can label GW2 fans all you like as suffering from battered wife syndrome mesmerized fanboys that take every word Anet says as gospel and that we all think GW2 is the savior of MMO's and we're in love with it. But in reality I am just liking what I see so far and I'm anticipating more info. I try to educate others that haven't taken the time to look into the game at all and often have false assumptions and I don't care for people that come in bringing negativity and insults towards me just because I'm a fan of GW2 so far.
If you want to actually talk about GW2 in the GW2 forums then I'd be happy to oblige, but if you'd prefer to continue to call down GW2 fans than to actually discuss the game then I'll do what I should have done from the beginning and just ignore you.
Go back and read some of the post in here. Some people have said that EVERYTHING in the manifesto is in the game. They've also said there's video to prove it, but supplied no links. I've researched the game and found a gap between what they are saying and what I see in the game. Like I've said who knows how many times now, GW2 looks really good. I'll probably buy it. My thing is that I keep hearing people bring up the manifesto as proof of how awesome GW2 will be. It just might be, but it reminded me of people saying the same thing about Aion. Wait til the next update, Visions is coming! Hence the comparison. OH and I was called a troll for questioning this on a number of occasions in this thread. So yeah, everything Foomerang said is true.
Go see post 35 on page 4 in which I included a link to a video. I guess you just missed it as you didn't reply to it or several other posts such as the one above post 35.
Great! I did miss that. Thank you so much for the link. I now know what GW2 is, a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO.
I hesitate to ask since you appear to have completely ignored the points in my post, but how did you come to the conclusion that GW2 is a quasi single player game that's calling itself an MMO?
From everything I've seen on my own and what you've supplied, which again my thanks because I haven't seen it before; all the dynamic changes are applied by having a form of an instance. A separated game environment from which to advance your own 'personal story' (their words not mine) that makes the world change.
I think I see what you are saying. They are pulling in some single player elements like having your own branching storyline and personal instance in the home city which reflects decisions you've made. I would still say the entire persistent world with dynamic events that bring people together makes it a proper MMO. It's kind of like saying SWTOR is not an MMO because you have your own ship and your own personal storyline. These are things that I feel are added to the MMO, not taking away from them. But I think I understand where you're coming from, thanks for clarifying.
tbh I think SWTOR will be more of a single player game than GW2 will be based on what I've read and seen so far.
Yep, didn't I read somewhere on the Trion site that the fellow responsible for these Aion marketing videos is now in the employment for Trion and working the marketing plan for Rift: Planes of Telara?
Just a bit curious...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpnQrUjB14&feature=player_embedded
watch this ladies and gentlemen..lol..well at least one more time, I know I know you guys have all seen it b4..but I'll tellya..these guys must have brass balls to start their campaign like this..HOO-RAH ..bring on the compettiton!
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Making comparisons between Aion and GW2 is silly. Two different markets. GW1 and GW2 are both more catered towards the Western audience, this is the majority of the current playerbase. and Aion, not surprisingly, developed for the players in Korea hence why it is successful in that part of the world. Not hard to figure out, Aion launched in Korea first and GW2 will launch in North America and Europe first because most of their revenue will come from those region.
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Are some of you really so silly as to believe that anet must have some sorta special agreement with ncsoft as a parent company that prevents ncsoft from having all the liberties of a parent company despite the fact that they literally OWN ncsoft?
Anet is a division of NCsoft, you need to come to terms with that.
Just like actiblizzard is part of vivendi.
LOL !!! Owned...
I don't think anyone actually said that... Anet is not a part of NCsoft and that Anet couldn't get the switch thrown. What people are arguing is that Anet is developing this game how they want to. NCsoft is happy with what they see, and the player reaction.
To the people saying, "Manifesto is in large part an advertisment" -
Sure, but god I wish more games would do it that way, and then a month or 2 later show us all those events that were "advertised" in the game. Not all that were talked about, but all that were advertised. So yes, I agree - There were a large number of people that got up in arms about "You will see, GW2 will not be as good as you think it will be".
Do you realise why? No it isn't because they are fanboys, it is because they absolutely LOVE what they see on various YouTube videos. Maybe some people are not capable of seeing an event and fully grasping it's meaning. As a person that has rode zero hype trains up until now... I can safely say that if GW2 were to come out with a demo of sorts, I would still judge it and decide if it is for me or not. Believe me, I am 100% gungho too. Hype is harmless, get over it.
People think it's fun to pretend your a monster. Me I spend my life pretending I'm not. - Dexter Morgan