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I dont understand the elitsms additude general statement of "stay in Azeroth, we don't want you he
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I don’t understand the elitsm’s additude general statement of "stay in Azeroth, we don't want you here" in each and every new MMORPG.
This was brought up in another major discussion.
But in each and every new MMORPG, the forum community seems to feel the need to disrespect WoW-players, with generalizing statements such as,
*WoW Players are Morons.
*WoW Players are 12 year olds.
*WoW Players are Rude.
*WoW Players are Carebear players that cant play hard games.
*WoW Players are Unskilled.
*WoW Players are Lazy.
The list goes on. These people that make these kinds of generalizing statements, are very closed minded, and hurt the very games that they insecurely are trying to defend.
WoW players are, and can, get bored, just like every other MMORPG player can become with their old games they played. What makes WoW players any different? Because they play the most successful MMORPG in the west, that somehow makes WoW Players immune to boredom? Really?
I agree, MMORPG Developers should feel embarrassed at their community for the furious people that ward off WoW Players with their hatred. With simply a small handful of WoW’s western Player subs, these new MMORPGs would be more successful than any other MMORPG we have.
Anyway,
“More players = more money. More money = more content and more advertising to keep a healthy player base. A healthy player base = successful game.”
Stop trying to shove off WoW Players from being a part of different MMORPG communities. With all your WoW Hatred, you people sound like the Very thing you say you are against from the WoW community, aka Rude People. You are in fact Rude, with comments like
“GO BACK TO WOW”,
or
“WE DON’T WANT WOW PLAYERS HERE”
The Irony!!!
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Half the reason that people dislike WOW players in other games is they fill up chat with WOW comparisons. Even in games with RP prefered servers general chat is full of WOW chatter. When you politely ask them to take it to private you are berated for being an anti WOW elitist and a roleplayer.
No it would be ironic if you got a positive response from such a blatant attack on people.
More flies with honey than with vinegar methinks.
The OP is right. Sometimes I wonder if the old/other MMORPG gamers are worse then the WoW players. Their manners towards people can sometimes be unconvincing when hey tell me all the rude people are on WoW.
If you dont understand perhaps you should just stay in Azeroth.
If WoW players stop grabbing their neckbeards and running into every new game trying to change it into WoW we will start being nice to you. Since that will never happen do not expect the dislike to change anytime soon.
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Oooh... someone is mad that WoW-players have developed STEREOTYPES.
Awwwww....
You know what the major problem with stereotyping is? 9/10 they are absolutely 100% accurate.
As for the "go back to Azeroth" comments, I think it has to do with the fact that Blizz overly simplified a game that was good so that the masses would play. They did, argue amongst yourselves whether or not they've returned it to it's former glory but the truth of the matter is that little 6 y/o's could EASILY play the game and you had people who literally MACRO'd fights in Raids. if you can 1 button a boss, seriously, HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE GAME THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE?!?!
*WoW Players are Morons. See the Macro'ing comment. Blizz did you a favor and even dumbed the trees down so there could be ZERO real changes and a definite move towards cookie cutters.
*WoW Players are 12 year olds. The loudest and most annoying people on any chat can sure be considered to ACT like a 12 y/o. Barrens/Trade chat anyone?
*WoW Players are Rude. ZOMGWTFPWNED. 9/10's of players wouldn't wait in a line if they had the option to ninja it instead.
*WoW Players are Carebear players that cant play hard games. See the general dumbing down for the masses comment.
*WoW Players are Unskilled. See the macro'ing comment.
*WoW Players are Lazy. This IS the macro'ing comment.
I'm going to with this.
Most mmo players feel they are part of a sub culture. WOW is the biggest part of the sub culture and more commerical.
Players who don't like wow players for the reasons you listed think they are a higher echelon of the sub culture.
Ever single mmo I have played since WOW came out has the same community as WOW except hey aren't actually in wow. But they love to make comments about how they aren't in wow or whatever as you stated.
It's kinda like if you had people who thought dirt was gold as opposed to people who know dirt is dirt. They are going to go on about how what they have is gold when we all know they are just as dirty. Except they aren't willing to admit it.
So a community that fools itsel,f is in the end worse of.
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i assume it somehow makes them feel better about themselves. i haven't noticed the WoW community to be worse/better then any other game community. it's pretty much the "cool" thing to do now.
It's because wow is too easy of game to play. It was made just a little too people friendly. You don't really have work for anything in wow. You just hang out long enough and you'll get it. Honestly, WoW took the idea's from better, more original, more " grown up" MMO's. Took all the skill out of them, Then mass marketed itself.
You have to remember when WoW came out, MMO's where still very new and most people had no idea what they where. So wow comes along.. rip's off some other better idea's ... makes em kid / "casual player" friendly... mass markets ... Jiggy Bam .. you have a number one MMO with millions of people who had no clue as to what even started the genre. Wow is not the best at what they do ... they are just the easiest to do it in. Combine that with a super lazy society and you have yourself a continued "successful" MMO.
So , when another MMO comes out .. add's something new or even is just more in tune with the tactics from other more challenging MMO's. There is always this group of people in the chat channels that cries for help just a little bit more then everyone else..they complain about things being too hard just a little more then everyone else ... they scream for nerfs just a little more then everyone else.... they tend too not know how to play their class in any way other then zerg mode...they can't follow instructions ... what do these horrible mmo players all have in common ? They are WoW players.
The hate that WoW and it's fans bring is 100% justified.
The real quesiton is why care what these people say about Wow players or players of any other MMO's other than their chosen one or niche sub genre?People seek validation in all sorts of ways and some seek it in the games they play and liek to think their choice of subgenre somehow makes them mor eintelligent or superior to others who do not share their enthusiasm for it.You see similar behaviour in real life from peopel too.
They are free to express themselves and you are free to not read their opinions or ignore them.
Well, that's probably because some of the more offensive players in wow are louder than the rest of the group.
I'm not really a wow player but the times I have logged in I've been pretty shocked to see what is allowed in chat. These people paint a larger picture for those people who are looking into what the wow community is made of.
Yet, in my "real life" of the mmorpg players I know, all of them play wow. (actually I do know one other who is not a wow player but I digress)
one is a lawyer with two degrees in history and had an insanely high score on his LSAT
one is a web accessibility Engineer
one is a computer technician
one I met at a party. Don't know what she does but she was perfectly able to keep up an intelligent conversation during the evening
One is the head of a Sales Department in a global company
Not one is a drooling, idiotic, knuckle grazing moron. So I suspect that there are more WoW players out there who would not be considered foul. It's just the foul ones are very loud.
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I tell them "okay, everyone who has played WoW leave the game. Lets let this MMO die, since obviously that is what they want"
Then they usually shut up, or keep on trolling. Then the MMO usually does die off. Then I lol at it.
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Just like any other frowned upon sub culture calling someone else names makes them feel better about themselves.
I can understand it. Everytime I log into a new game people are always debating the same bull crap.
"Wow is the best MMO"
"Wow was the first MMO"
"This game is a wow clone"
"Wow is better than this"
"They stole this from wow"
after awhile you get sick of seeing this crap in your chat box and want the players that are trolling the chat to just go back to wow.
I don't mind if people play wow, I played wow, but don't talk about it in chat 24/7.. nobody cares and personally alot of ppl that are playing these games didn't like wow or they would still be playing it.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Well I think it's because of WoW players behavior towards any other game
I can see it within my friends:
Most of them are complete WoW addicts that never played any other MMO (or sometimes game) before it and they praise WoW as something totally outstanding, they talk about it all day long feeling so cocky and cool because they think talking wow is cool and because of their new ub3r gear and great numbers...they can argue all day long about how best they are in PvP and PvE and how their class is so best and whenever you show them any other MMO on the market, they don't really listen to you and just say : It looks just like wow roflmao! WoW's better! ....after a time you seriously start thinking about punching them in the face...
Most of them started playing wow 1-2 years ago, before it they didn't knew anything about it, they don't know lore, they never played warcraft series but still they feel like total experts of wow because they copied coockie cutter build from wowwiki...these are the reasons I quite frankly hate wow and its fanboys...no other fanboys are such dumbasses..
And look I'm meaning fanboys,not regular players...I played WoW too and enjoyed it..for a while until I saw something better to play..
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
to the OP, I understand your distaste with the generalizations from people that verbally attack wow players.
However, I hope you realize that you seem to be just as generalizing as they are.
There are simply MANY occasions in which it is totally acceptable to tell someone to go back to Azeroth. The most common being when a WoW player joins a beta phase of a new game, or a free trial, and spends their time comparing the new game to WoW and complaining in the public chats (i.e. man this sucks, why can't i bunny hop around like in wow? - man, where's the BG's!? - blah this is too grindy/hard - blah this takes too long.. - blah where's the quest hubs?... etc) -- These are people who expect the new games to offer the same experience as WoW does, and because of how vocal these people are, it has clearly motivated some developers to do just that. Try to offer what WoW offers.
That makes a lot of people angry and feel they need to retaliate against the only accessable source, in this case, the WoW players themselves.
On the otherhand, there is definitly an elitist attitude coming from some WoW players as well. Not many mention this. Do you find this to be fair? Is it ok to condemn those who dislike WoW and it's player base but not condemn those who are part of WoW's player base and condemn other games that aren't just like WoW and the people who play them?
Problem is that cool WoW players are not saying everywhere how WoW is best and how this MMO what they are right know playing is way worse and less fun that WoW because there is no reward etc.. Like someone said, cool WoW ppl are not that loud as lame ppl. And also game is kinda making your attitude to other ppl - look at games focused on group play and you will see the difference. Solo friendly games tend to have players who just like to solo and who dont give a shit about other ppl. Ofc there are not only those ppl but mostly I think it is like that.
Lotro - group play a lot, not now probably but when I was playing it has a lot of group play - most ppl were cool, friendly, helped you even if they didnt know you. Age of Conan - also kinda group play game (definitely more than WoW - again, when I was playing) and also ppl were cool at groups - ofc some "bad" ppl who were hunting you were there but I almost never met a high lvl who was killing low lvls - twice maybe (and once that low lvl killed his lower lvl
). WoW - first guy in group, seemed cool, funy, after 40-50 minutes purple item droped - he waited what I roll - I did greed he did need and I've never seen him again.. 
And my friends had same experience with ppl like that. Or Ragnarok online (private server). Also kinda "solo" friendly or just group what is best friendly. So if you didnt have class for group they wouldnt take you because you would just "steal" theirs exp.
Thats actualy why I mostly say WoW is not MMO - because its not realy "multiplayer" (but its not only WoW issue - but its realy a lot there). MMO should be multiplayer for most of the time - GW did it right with solo / multiplayer friendly. Yes you have here NPCs with you most of the time but you feel like you are in group - and in alliance you can have hundreds of ppl so you can chat as much as you want.
And yea GW are one of games single player friendly kinda as WoW - but new and new expansions did it better and better for multiplayer - harder missions, hard mode, heroes - two players can do whole group of 8 so mostly you are trying to find someone.
P.S. Lineage 2 on free server is also kinda single / multiplayer friendly (if its not a realy big server, than its multiplayer). Depends on you. So you see here bastards and also cool ppl. Kinda half of each.
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I couldn't agree more.
I've been a Blizzard fan since WC1 and I played WoW since launch for about 4 years and then the game started changing for the worst (Imo) and the community started to get larger and larger and less friendly and more immature and ultimately there was nothing left in Azeroth for me other than hours of irritation from reading the words "noob" and "chuck norris" a thousand times a day and having to compare "gear scores" with people to try and prove that i was worthy enough to play with them. *yank yank yank* no thanks.
Anyways... sorry, I almost started a rant there. My original point was that now that I don't play WoW, i realize what it did to my mindset and all of my friends that still play. They are rabidly hostile as soon as I mention another game. They insult me and the developers of said games simply because we aren't in the WoW club. I've lost some 'friends' on the count that I wouldn't raid with them anymore. I've been in many arguements that ended in below the belt remarks simply because I'd say something negative about WoW... imagine that. You're 'friend' saying something hurtful and personal to you because you said something negative about their videogame. So, now, I feel I can't talk to my friends anymore about the games I play because WoW isn't one of them. It's pathetic.
I am a wow player, but totally understand why ppl say this. I am in my 30's and a wow player. I have at least tried almost all major mmorpg's over the past 10 years, and I can tell you a few things about wow imo. One it has the very best grouping and polish of any mmorpg I ever played. On the other hand it has the worst community in any mmorpg I have ever played. If your really looking for a great community game play EQ2, if your looking for complex raiding game play wow. I am super looking forward to swtor, but I fear wow's community might move there as that is the only mmo ppl talk about in wow other then wow.
Mate you forgot one
*WOW players dont know there are other online games avaliable.
Regarding the original post, the reason I'd rather not play MMOs that attract players who enjoy WoW stems directly from the effect they've had on WoW and what we've all seen result from that in other games. I enjoyed original WoW a great deal- it was a wonderful PvE game that streamlined the right areas, however over time due to player demand not only has the game become overly simplified (see the earlier post regarding macros) but they've kept adding more console-style content and solo content while at the same time minimizing classic MMO mechanics to the point that it is virtually unrecognizable as a MMORPG compared to previous games.
I don't enjoy WoW as it is currently and it has become that way due to the griping of players that I don't share the same values with, hence when I see players seeking similar lazy, easy mode mechanics that WoW has then no- I'd rather them stay in the game that they've already ruined. If you grew up on fighting games that involved complex combos and timing, then one day they changed it so that a single button press would pull off these maneuvers, or that you could kill an opponent in two hits just by button mashing and this was all due to the gripes and whines of a new generation of players wouldn't you want them to stop tainting the possibility of having good games? If you enjoy crossword puzzles but all of them only have single syllable words due to complaints that larger words were too difficult wouldn't you have some enmity towards people that enjoy the current puzzles?
^ this.
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Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
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I play WoW, CoH, Eve, and a host of other games. The people who compare every game to WoW has to remember not everyone wants to hear it. No one cares what your view on their world is. So if you suddenly feel the need to say "This is a wow clone." Slap yourself in the face, kick a wall, or anything else to stop yourself from becoming a piriah. It doesn't matter if x-game is like WoW it still has different content to offer.
As far as getting annoyed with people being "elitist" by telling you to stay in Azeroth just put them on ignore list and move on. Basically, stop comparing, stop worrying about what other people think. Just stop it. It's not that hard, you'll probably never see these people in real life so what possible bearing do they have on you? Are you so insecure and self destructive as to give your opinion in hopes of being accepted with open arms when you ALREADY know you're going to be shunned? Do you like rejection. Just stop.