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The OFFICIAL answer as to WHY people are scared of Rift (and other games).

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  • ZebladeZeblade Member UncommonPosts: 931

    Hmm I am so lost here. What does FEAR have to do with playing any mmo. People have tried RIFT you know BETA and the ones that did not like it said so. The ones that did like it told us. Maybe you should be looking at why YOU are SCARED of playing MMO's. Its ok you dont have to play them.

  • omegadeth94omegadeth94 Member Posts: 3

    lol i see this smiling guy with a thumbs up in every rift thread

  • watchawatchawatchawatcha Member Posts: 960

    Originally posted by just1opinion

    Originally posted by watchawatcha

    Originally posted by just1opinion

    Originally posted by lunatis

    Originally posted by watchawatcha

    Originally posted by just1opinion

    Originally posted by Hopscotch73

    Scared?! Pffffffft.

     

    I'm sorry, but talking down to people who have no interest in buying a particular game is just about reaching its nadir right here.

     

    Disinterest =/= fear.....

     

    QFT.

     

    Fear would be more exciting than the disinterest I have in RIFT.  And in my opinion.....more exciting than the game as a whole.

     

    Now....I've already gone into detail about what I don't like about this game in another thread and I'm not going to be typing all of that out again.  Fact remains......I don't give a shit what someone thinks about me not liking RIFT.  It's my money and I'll spend it where I PLEASE.

     LOL! fail.  You have no interest in the game, yet keep posting in a forum about Rift.  And then go on with you green equals I am right font and takes a strong stance with all caps at the end.  Yep you have no interest.  That's how people who don't even care about a game respond.  Oh wait, they wouldn't because they have no interest so they wouldn't be here in the first place.  :)

    I really have to clap my hands at someone who really noticed the imposture of half the people who post in this thread ;)

    Your post is on the front page because of responses. I'm not visiting the RIFT forum to "find it."

     

     Rift posts sure are showing up a lot on the front page then...

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3999647#3999647

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3999212#3999212

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4007595#4007595

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4006008#4006008

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3984226#3984226

    all of these are threads in the Rift general discussion that you commented on.  On top of that most you commented on more than 3 times, a couple way more than that.

     

    EVERY SINGLE ONE has appeared on the front page.

     

    I post on active threads that show on the front page, IF they are directed at me (like this one was directed at those that didn't care for RIFT.....read the OP again), or if I find them interesting.

     

    Like I said.....OP wanted to talk shit on those who didn't enjoy RIFT.  Period.  He just didn't want any of us to respond to his shit talking.  Too damn bad.

     LOL!  that's fine.  respond away, but don't act like you're too cool for school when you keep posting in these forums.  You obviously care.  Granted the caring is that of a negative response, but you care nonetheless.

  • tyrannistyrannis Member Posts: 198

    As long as it's OFFICIAL.

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  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112

    Originally posted by omegadeth94

    lol i see this smiling guy with a thumbs up in every rift thread

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  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.

    - Guild Wars 2

    - Star Wars the old republic

    - DC Universe

    - Tera Online

    - Secret World (late 2011 eta)

    - Jumpgate Evolution

    - Earthrise

    - The Agency

    - Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)

    - Gods & Heroes

    - Firefall

     

    Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.

    I said "lack of better options" not lack of options.

    Obviously any option would have to be good or else it wouldnt really be a viable option now would it? The point is there are quite a few high profile titles coming out in 2011 and if you are assuming Rift is some how magically more AAA than the rest of them...well then I think theres nothing else to say other than credibility just gets tossed out the window.

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by ste2000


    Originally posted by watchawatcha


    Originally posted by ste2000

    But given those answers why would I listen to you?

    War was not boring and mmo's are generally repetitive. If I listened to you I wouldn't have played warhammer. But I did and enjoyed it.

    AoC had it's issues, don't know if it was broken because I was able to play it just fine. It was creaky though and it does have its bugs. Broken? I just think that's a bit much.

    Aion a korean grinder? Please. You've never played a Korean grinder then or I find it hard to believe you have. And besides I really liked Aion, so again, If I were to listen to you and I didn't know much about what a korean grinder actually is, then I would never have played it.

    As far as the other games, who cares? I found STO and CO kind of fun for the time I played it. Could I play them long term?  suppose but I generally stick to fantasy games for whatever reason.

    So "no" I don't want to listen to others who make claims as if they are gospel truth and who might be keeping me from something I might find fun.

    In the end we should be using our own little filters and realize that many people have their own likes, dislikes and "yes" agendas and would like nothing better than to talk us into or against playing a game.

    We should be taking the info at hand and using our own common sense, not allowing others to make decisions for us.

    All of those games bombed compared to the expectations and you might disagree with my reasons but in the end I was right, they weren't great MMOs

    But go and see yourself the main complaints about those games after they've been released, they pretty much say the same things I was saying before release

     

    I also wasn't saying you should listen to me or others, in fact I was demonstrating that no matter how much people criticise a game, people will still buy them.

  • watchawatchawatchawatcha Member Posts: 960

    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by watchawatcha

    Originally posted by ste2000

    But given those answers why would I listen to you?

    War was not boring and mmo's are generally repetitive. If I listened to you I wouldn't have played warhammer. But I did and enjoyed it.

    AoC had it's issues, don't know if it was broken because I was able to play it just fine. It was creaky though and it does have its bugs. Broken? I just think that's a bit much.

    Aion a korean grinder? Please. You've never played a Korean grinder then or I find it hard to believe you have. And besides I really liked Aion, so again, If I were to listen to you and I didn't know much about what a korean grinder actually is, then I would never have played it.

    As far as the other games, who cares? I found STO and CO kind of fun for the time I played it. Could I play them long term?  suppose but I generally stick to fantasy games for whatever reason.

    So "no" I don't want to listen to others who make claims as if they are gospel truth and who might be keeping me from something I might find fun.

    In the end we should be using our own little filters and realize that many people have their own likes, dislikes and "yes" agendas and would like nothing better than to talk us into or against playing a game.

    We should be taking the info at hand and using our own common sense, not allowing others to make decisions for us.

    All of those games bombed compared to the expectations and you might disagree with my reasons but in the end I was right, they weren't great MMOs

    But go and see yourself the main complaints about those games after they've been released, they pretty much say the same things I was saying before release

     

    I also wasn't saying you should listen to me or others, in fact I was demonstrating that no matter how much people criticise a game, people will still buy them.

     agree with you 100% but we've played up to level 27 out of 50 levels and the game has been solid so far.  now end game could be a complete train wreck, but the above games as examples do not apply to rift.  every one of those games were not complete at launch.  I'm not talking just end game not complete, I'm talking major issues throughout the game.

    Again I'm not talking about DCUO because who knows about that game.

    Aion I believe had other issues, as I described earlier.

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.

    - Guild Wars 2

    - Star Wars the old republic

    - DC Universe

    - Tera Online

    - Secret World (late 2011 eta)

    - Jumpgate Evolution

    - Earthrise

    - The Agency

    - Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)

    - Gods & Heroes

    - Firefall

     

    Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.

    I said "lack of better options" not lack of options.

    Obviously any option would have to be good or else it wouldnt really be a viable option now would it? The point is there are quite a few high profile titles coming out in 2011 and if you are assuming Rift is some how magically more AAA than the rest of them...well then I think theres nothing else to say other than credibility just gets tossed out the window.

    I never said viable. I'm pretty sure I included words such as "lacking",  "feeling" and "percentage". Not "fact", "everybody" and "viable options".

    You really only have two options here to respond to my post.

    Either dispute the gut feeling I have as "gas" or that my gut feeling is wrong. Credibility is nonsense to use in the context of my post.

  • watchawatchawatchawatcha Member Posts: 960

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.

    - Guild Wars 2

    - Star Wars the old republic

    - DC Universe

    - Tera Online

    - Secret World (late 2011 eta)

    - Jumpgate Evolution

    - Earthrise

    - The Agency

    - Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)

    - Gods & Heroes

    - Firefall

     

    Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.

    I said "lack of better options" not lack of options.

    Obviously any option would have to be good or else it wouldnt really be a viable option now would it? The point is there are quite a few high profile titles coming out in 2011 and if you are assuming Rift is some how magically more AAA than the rest of them...well then I think theres nothing else to say other than credibility just gets tossed out the window.

    I never said viable. I'm pretty sure I included words such as "lacking",  "feeling" and "percentage". Not "fact", "everybody" and "viable options".

     some of those games aren't guaranteed to come out this year either. "it's ready, when it's ready' doesn't automatically mean 2011.

  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538

    Originally posted by watchawatcha

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.

    - Guild Wars 2

    - Star Wars the old republic

    - DC Universe

    - Tera Online

    - Secret World (late 2011 eta)

    - Jumpgate Evolution

    - Earthrise

    - The Agency

    - Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)

    - Gods & Heroes

    - Firefall

     

    Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.

    I said "lack of better options" not lack of options.

    Obviously any option would have to be good or else it wouldnt really be a viable option now would it? The point is there are quite a few high profile titles coming out in 2011 and if you are assuming Rift is some how magically more AAA than the rest of them...well then I think theres nothing else to say other than credibility just gets tossed out the window.

    I never said viable. I'm pretty sure I included words such as "lacking",  "feeling" and "percentage". Not "fact", "everybody" and "viable options".

     some of those games aren't guaranteed to come out this year either. "it's ready, when it's ready' doesn't automatically mean 2011.

    Obviously any title can be delayed if the publishers wish to take the risk of doing so. If the ETA is 2011, you take them at their word that its their goal to have a game released by then. Trion is also publishing Rift, if they wanted to, they could delay the game as well. For the most part, its safe to say that those games will be released in 2011 outside of the Secret World which may delay till early 2012. Notice the (eta) was put their for a reason.

    Even "its ready when its ready", IF that is ever said, still comes with both a dead line and a time line for release. Every game studio for the most part goes by milestones, which will equate to the eta for the build to go gold. If they are already in a beta stage, then its nearly garanteed.

    Nice try though.

  • watchawatchawatchawatcha Member Posts: 960

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by watchawatcha

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.

    - Guild Wars 2

    - Star Wars the old republic

    - DC Universe

    - Tera Online

    - Secret World (late 2011 eta)

    - Jumpgate Evolution

    - Earthrise

    - The Agency

    - Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)

    - Gods & Heroes

    - Firefall

     

    Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.

    I said "lack of better options" not lack of options.

    Obviously any option would have to be good or else it wouldnt really be a viable option now would it? The point is there are quite a few high profile titles coming out in 2011 and if you are assuming Rift is some how magically more AAA than the rest of them...well then I think theres nothing else to say other than credibility just gets tossed out the window.

    I never said viable. I'm pretty sure I included words such as "lacking",  "feeling" and "percentage". Not "fact", "everybody" and "viable options".

     some of those games aren't guaranteed to come out this year either. "it's ready, when it's ready' doesn't automatically mean 2011.

    Obviously any title can be delayed if the publishers wish to take the risk of doing so. If the ETA is 2011, you take them at their word that its their goal to have a game released by then. Trion is also publishing Rift, if they wanted to, they could delay the game as well. For the most part, its safe to say that those games will be released in 2011 outside of the Secret World which may delay till early 2012. Notice the (eta) was put their for a reason.

    Even "its ready when its ready", IF that is ever said, still comes with both a dead line and a time line for release. Every game studio for the most part goes by milestones, which will equate to the eta for the build to go gold. If they are already in a beta stage, then its nearly garanteed.

    Nice try though.

     In GW2 FAQ they say it's ready when it's ready.  GW2 does not have an ETA 2011.  They have an ETA of TBD.

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Member UncommonPosts: 2,059

    I'd hardly call any game that developers find worthwhile enough to keep up and running a "failure".  Maybe it's not a complete success, but none of the MMOs listed thus far were actual failures that had to shutdown like Auto Assault, APB, The Matrix, Tabula Rasa, etc.

    How can someone claim DCUO is a failure when it's only been released for a few days now, and actually has had decent sales for a PC game?  Aion could actually be considered a success since it maintains very healthy numbers in Korea.  What exactly qualifies as a failure?  How many subs are we talking about here?  Are we only talking about NA subscribers?  I just think it's a bit unfair to call these games failures.

    Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant there.

  • KalmarthKalmarth Member Posts: 443

    Originally posted by lunatis

    The truth is that fear is natural. What causes fear of purchase in the first place? Scared of not enjoying the game, but also scared of failure or being judged by others, not having friends jumping in to play with you.

    What is the solution? People will take a path that has already been taken and follow it. If a majority say "we will not play this game", most people will think "well it must be a bad game". But the truth is, all of them are living the same fear as you do. Would you dance ballet? Probably not, yet I'm sure it's a pretty damn athletic sport actually! But who cares, I don't want to learn ballet either.

    Now, why can't people chose for themselves what is fun and what isin't? This is exactly why everyone has to try the game, and why they are making the beta so easy to reach for everybody.

    Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it? Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game. This is very 8 years old and yet it still works.

    Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it.

    Thank you!

    So what your saying is dont read forums and if you do discount everyone opinion on them as they are all jaded to the games that they want to play, thats very 8 year old, your basically saying that your opinion counts more than most posters.

    I'll keep reading the forums and making up my own mind, and yes some post will change my mind about buying a game, but I'm not going to buy every game that comes out so I can say WOW I tried it and it suck or I tried it and loved it, if I tried to do that I would have given every game very little time and that would be a really unfair review of the whole (kind of like reading the first page of every book and then writting reviews on them.

    And I think you would be a GREAT Ballet dance you just have to open your mind to it and give it a go, come on dont be a hater till you tried it right?

  • muchavezmuchavez Member UncommonPosts: 199

    >implying people are afraid of a video game

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Member UncommonPosts: 2,059

    Originally posted by CNUChavez

    >implying people are afraid of a video game

    Like this?

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983

    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by Sovrath


    Originally posted by ste2000


    Originally posted by watchawatcha


    Originally posted by ste2000

    But given those answers why would I listen to you?

    War was not boring and mmo's are generally repetitive. If I listened to you I wouldn't have played warhammer. But I did and enjoyed it.

    AoC had it's issues, don't know if it was broken because I was able to play it just fine. It was creaky though and it does have its bugs. Broken? I just think that's a bit much.

    Aion a korean grinder? Please. You've never played a Korean grinder then or I find it hard to believe you have. And besides I really liked Aion, so again, If I were to listen to you and I didn't know much about what a korean grinder actually is, then I would never have played it.

    As far as the other games, who cares? I found STO and CO kind of fun for the time I played it. Could I play them long term?  suppose but I generally stick to fantasy games for whatever reason.

    So "no" I don't want to listen to others who make claims as if they are gospel truth and who might be keeping me from something I might find fun.

    In the end we should be using our own little filters and realize that many people have their own likes, dislikes and "yes" agendas and would like nothing better than to talk us into or against playing a game.

    We should be taking the info at hand and using our own common sense, not allowing others to make decisions for us.

    All of those games bombed compared to the expectations and you might disagree with my reasons but in the end I was right, they weren't great MMOs

    But go and see yourself the main complaints about those games after they've been released, they pretty much say the same things I was saying before release

     

    I also wasn't saying you should listen to me or others, in fact I was demonstrating that no matter how much people criticise a game, people will still buy them.

    That's very true, they didn't do well because of expectations but I don't blame that on the game, I blame that on the expectations.

    I would actually recommend CO and STO as games as they are fun. The problem is that people come to them with these expectations, probably not helped by some marketing department, and the games draw more people than they should have.

    Aion is guilty of this. Yes, all these people complained about Aion but my sense was that there were a lot of CoH and WoW players who wanted an easier leveling game. Wasn't as easy as they were used to so suddenly the whole "it's a korean grinder, run for the hills" starts up. When the reality is an actual Korean grinder is so much harsher than they could even imagine.

    To top it off Aion's marketing was always a bit misleading. They said that players could concentrate on the type of play they wanted, either pve or pvp. What they really werent' coming out and saying was "look you WILL have to pve and you WILL have to deal with some pvp, that's just the breaks.

    I honestly think that people (and to be as transparent as possible I Include myself in this) thought that AoC was going to be more pvp driven. That doesn't seem to be the case.

    Warhammer missed the boat because it was supposed to be pvp driven, somehow this rather lackluster pve was put in and the RVR lakes didn't seem to matter much. That topped with that silly keep flippign and those looking for a more "meaningful" pvp experience were left wanting. Those that loved the Scenarios were having a blast. Why? because they were fun as heck.

    And yes, you are correct, no matter how much someone criticizes anything people will still buy. But I think this can be a good thing if they approch it correctly because though I think your opinion is valid it just isn't my opinion and that goes for my opinion for everyone else.

    I never buy/attend/participate, etc in anything unless I: A, do my research beforehand and and know what I'm getting into or B, go in with an open mind and just take it as it is.

    but people don't do their research, allow others to sway them, sometimes with very flimsy arguments, yet go in with full expectations that a thing should be what they think it is.

    People should take everything that another says with a grain of salt and make their own decidions.BUT they must go in with the right mindset because otherwise it's all just going to be one painful laborious process.

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  • King_KumquatKing_Kumquat Member Posts: 492

    The King will not be paying for RIFT, not out of fear, but out off not wishing to waste 50 more + coins with his face on it to yawn at another uninspired MMORPG.

    Alas it is well put together, and hopefully it shall make many of the peasants happy. For the most part the ones who like the familiar shall be most pleased.

    Tis something a bit more I desire from my lesuirly investments.

    Some fantastic thoughts on this thread; if not just a tad hyperbolic.

    Carry on citizens.


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  • DLangleyDLangley Member Posts: 1,407

    Let's cut out the baiting. If you think someone is breaking the RoC, report them. Do not take it upon yourself to retaliate.

  • Squirv01Squirv01 Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by lunatis

    The truth is that fear is natural.

    ...Thank you!

    Going against nature then?

  • wardog250wardog250 Member Posts: 249

    Originally posted by Papadam

    Why would anyone be scared of a game that is just a generic copy of what we have seen for the last 6 years?

    If you like it. have fun and play it and stop being so obsessed with other people not liking it.

    QFT

    I wonder when people started giving a crap whether everyone in the world liked what they liked?  Freaking narcissists.

    I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events? If it's that meaningless why have the hatred and trolls surfaced and spout the same crap in every thread. Bad, meaningless games don't get this kind of attention. If rift was truly some pathetic clone that none of you were worried about you would have all stopped with the constant trolling and flaming a long time ago. The truth is while rift does barrow many of it's features what it does offer is pretty good and the game is well done and polished. From my experience on these forums people become threatened by this. What if through the popularity of rift every damn AAA developer suddenly decides Rifts way of doing things is the way to go? What happens then? 10 more years of rift clones? And IMO that's why I think many of you are afraid, not of the game itself but of it catching the eye of other devs and casting this genre even deeper into darkness.

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  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events?

    Has somebody said it's a poorly done clone? It's one of the better clones out there.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • WreckoniingWreckoniing Member UncommonPosts: 279

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events? If it's that meaningless why have the hatred and trolls surfaced and spout the same crap in every thread. Bad, meaningless games don't get this kind of attention. If rift was truly some pathetic clone that none of you were worried about you would have all stopped with the constant trolling and flaming a long time ago. The truth is while rift does barrow many of it's features what it does offer is pretty good and the game is well done and polished. From my experience on these forums people become threatened by this. What if through the popularity of rift every damn AAA developer suddenly decides Rifts way of doing things is the way to go? What happens then? 10 more years of rift clones? And IMO that's why I think many of you are afraid, not of the game itself but of it catching the eye of other devs and casting this genre even deeper into darkness.

    this.

  • ryuga81ryuga81 Member UncommonPosts: 351


    Originally posted by lunatis

    Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it.
    Thank you!

    I'll have a free trial. There is no way i will ever give a sizable chunk of money just to "see" if it's ok, so, no free trial = i keep money. (Btw where did it say $15? I've never seen this game under $45 anywhere).

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