Im going to have to agree with the OP here... WOW is a great game and WOW is not the problem... Other developers should stop trying to make WOW 2
LOTRO, AOC, WAR, CHAMPIONS ONLINE, STAR TREK ONLINE, SWTOR etc etc etc... all have they tried to copy paste WOW... they ad a few things but in the end its the, SLOT machine we all are so used to by now. its Classes, its raids, its Quest, its so dumb down that I can play it with one hand while I watch TV.
Im not Upset about World of Warcraft but we only need one on the Market .
The fact that World of Warcraft also is very easy to play I think adds to the hole thing. But the fact is its the best SLot machine, mouse Wheel game on the market today...
Games are trying to copy paste WoW? (Some of em maybe, but Lotro? AoC? and War? in what. stuff they are copy pasting WoW?) Another guy who thinks WoW was first MMO? Lame.. And btw I'm ok with classes and raids, also quests.. You need all of this, unless you are making Sandbox MMO but also there is gona be some kind of raid and quests..
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I don’t understand the elitsm’s additude general statement of "stay in Azeroth, we don't want you here" in each and every new MMORPG.
This was brought up in another major discussion.
But in each and every new MMORPG, the forum community seems to feel the need to disrespect WoW-players, with generalizing statements such as,
*WoW Players are Morons.
*WoW Players are 12 year olds.
*WoW Players are Rude.
*WoW Players are Carebear players that cant play hard games.
*WoW Players are Unskilled.
*WoW Players are Lazy.
The list goes on. These people that make these kinds of generalizing statements, are very closed minded, and hurt the very games that they insecurely are trying to defend.
WoW players are, and can, get bored, just like every other MMORPG player can become with their old games they played. What makes WoW players any different? Because they play the most successful MMORPG in the west, that somehow makes WoW Players immune to boredom? Really?
I agree, MMORPG Developers should feel embarrassed at their community for the furious people that ward off WoW Players with their hatred. With simply a small handful of WoW’s western Player subs, these new MMORPGs would be more successful than any other MMORPG we have.
Anyway,
“More players = more money. More money = more content and more advertising to keep a healthy player base. A healthy player base = successful game.”
Stop trying to shove off WoW Players from being a part of different MMORPG communities. With all your WoW Hatred, you people sound like the Very thing you say you are against from the WoW community, aka Rude People. You are in fact Rude, with comments like
“GO BACK TO WOW”,
or
“WE DON’T WANT WOW PLAYERS HERE”
The Irony!!!
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Yeah I played WoW for years and understood exactly why people weren't thrilled at the though of an influx of WoW players.
Yes there are a lot of good people who play WoW that most gaming communities would love to have. There are also a lot of angry vocal 12-15 yr. old boys and if you don't have the maturity to understand that they will reflect badly on the community as a whole regardless of how many good people you have then you get things like this thread.
The OP is right. Sometimes I wonder if the old/other MMORPG gamers are worse then the WoW players. Their manners towards people can sometimes be unconvincing when hey tell me all the rude people are on WoW.
Thats what happens after years of nothing but "rofl your game of choice sucks balls our games pwns your game because it has teh more players!!!11!"
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
WoW is directly responsible for almost every MMO that was developed after it. MMO's that are currently in development likely got funded because of the desire for a piece of it's market share. EVERYONE that plays online games should be thanking Blizzard for making it. If WoW had failed, whatever game you're playing right now probably wouldn't have even been made.
The OP is right. Sometimes I wonder if the old/other MMORPG gamers are worse then the WoW players. Their manners towards people can sometimes be unconvincing when hey tell me all the rude people are on WoW.
Thats what happens after years of nothing but "rofl your game of choice sucks balls our games pwns your game because it has teh more players!!!11!"
Yup, there are children everywhere, even some of the older gamers act like toddlers. It's all a failed attempt to overcompensate for being born with whatever it is that they are selfconscience of.
Im going to have to agree with the OP here... WOW is a great game and WOW is not the problem... Other developers should stop trying to make WOW 2
LOTRO, AOC, WAR, CHAMPIONS ONLINE, STAR TREK ONLINE, SWTOR etc etc etc... all have they tried to copy paste WOW... they ad a few things but in the end its the, SLOT machine we all are so used to by now. its Classes, its raids, its Quest, its so dumb down that I can play it with one hand while I watch TV.
Im not Upset about World of Warcraft but we only need one on the Market .
The fact that World of Warcraft also is very easy to play I think adds to the hole thing. But the fact is its the best SLot machine, mouse Wheel game on the market today...
Nobody is trying to make WoW 2. They take ideas that have been proven to work whilst adding their own ideas as well. The only thing developers need to do is stop releasing games when they aren't ready. They lose so many players when they force the players through a half finished game, which is exactly what AoC, WAR, Champions and STO did. (If they launched these games now instead of when they did, we might be looking at a very different scenario)
From what i've seen, TOR is far more than a WoW clone. It shares a few basic elements but WoW did not create those.
I think the attitude stems from that when a WoW player enters into a MMO they compare it to WoW and when it isn't exactly like WoW the complain and troll the game. Seen this like 20 times in DC Unvierse since release and even some in beta. So after the trolling people tend to tell them go back to WoW and don't waste your money on this game if you hate it so much and want to play a game exactly like WoW then play WoW.
I think the attitude stems from that when a WoW player enters into a MMO they compare it to WoW and when it isn't exactly like WoW the complain and troll the game. Seen this like 20 times in DC Unvierse since release and even some in beta. So after the trolling people tend to tell them go back to WoW and don't waste your money on this game if you hate it so much and want to play a game exactly like WoW then play WoW.
Dustin
I would agree.
And the solo reason given why feature X is 'good' is because WoW has it and given how popular WoW is its clear people want said feature and if you dont want said feature you are just wrong because its in WoW and its clearly a good feature because people play WoW...repeat...forever
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
If WoW players stop grabbing their neckbeards and running into every new game trying to change it into WoW we will start being nice to you. Since that will never happen do not expect the dislike to change anytime soon.
also cool story...
well, they hardly have to do that with this game.. trion did it all for them alrwady.
If WoW players stop grabbing their neckbeards and running into every new game trying to change it into WoW we will start being nice to you. Since that will never happen do not expect the dislike to change anytime soon.
also cool story...
well, they hardly have to do that with this game.. trion did it all for them alrwady.
Quite!
Tis silly to think people are calling games WoW-clones because they wish to turn the game into WoW. What sort of logic is that?
After rolling DK Bloodelf and switching to Horde, my advise: join the Horde. People are at an average 10 years older and more mature. I had CONVERSATIONS.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
This thread is phunnie. Post after post of people saying what ticks them off about WoW players, and post after post of WoW players doing exactly what the others guys say tick them off. You couldnt get a better example of the strife than right here.
The whiners who bitch about WoW and WoW players are the disenfranchised, who are upset that the genre is evolving beyond them. Kind of like conservatives whining about the world evolving beyond them as well. They're so terrified of being forgotten by developers, that they lash out at anything or anyone that enjoys or resembles casual oriented games like WoW.
They bitch and moan in forums and on server wide channels in the hopes that the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
The whiners who bitch about WoW and WoW players are the disenfranchised, who are upset that the genre is evolving beyond them. Kind of like conservatives whining about the world evolving beyond them as well. They're so terrified of being forgotten by developers, that they lash out at anything or anyone that enjoys or resembles casual oriented games like WoW.
They bitch and moan in forums and on server wide channels in the hopes that the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Replace WoW with random facebook game and you get the same conclusion. Does disliking facebook games make me a whiner?
Any generalising statements toward a group of people are just stupid, as is an elitist attitude toward WoW players in particular.
Believe it or not, in Aion I was actually kicked from a guild once because I was discussing some WoW moments with a player who happened to be from my old server in chat with the notice that "We don't need WoW scrubs." or something to that effect.
What these people do not realise, is that they're drawing attention away from the actual game and toward WoW with their posts, be they negative or positive.
And dudes, the trolls in chat are just that: trolls. WoW did not spawn them, they just do what they do because they want attention. Ignore them. You don't even know if they ever actually played world of warcraft, which is not required to troll about it.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
The whiners who bitch about WoW and WoW players are the disenfranchised, who are upset that the genre is evolving beyond them. Kind of like conservatives whining about the world evolving beyond them as well. They're so terrified of being forgotten by developers, that they lash out at anything or anyone that enjoys or resembles casual oriented games like WoW.
They bitch and moan in forums and on server wide channels in the hopes that the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Um, no.
You can't possibly think that, can you?
Let me ask you a question: If person [A] likes the taste of Pepsi, and buys pepsi for 4 years because they love the way it tastes, but then the corp. headquarters at Pepsi realize that more kids drink Sunny D than Pepsi (probably untrue, but let's just use it for now) so they decide to stop making Pepsi taste like Pepsi and decide to make it taste like Sunny D, but still call it Pespi. Do you think person [A] is supposed to just go with the flow and CHANGE their taste buds and personal likings to fit the corp. agenda? What about the million other people that liked Pepsi before it because Sunny D with a pepsi logo? They are just whiners who won't 'evolve' ? Just because there's more kids to sell sunny D to than adults to sell Pepsi to doesn't make it evolution, nor does it make it RIGHT.
Just because a corporation decides to change something about their product in hopes of gaining a higher annual profit does not mean that it's consumers aren't evolving just because they refuse to act like they 'enjoy' the new flavor. It's not up to the corp. to decide what it's consumers like, it's up to the consumers.
Now, I can only imagine you would come at this topic from the direction you came from because you are fully enjoying WoW and all of it's 'new age' glory. Good for you. How does that make any of us who do not like the game, or the vocal community, a conservative whiner?
WoW is directly responsible for almost every MMO that was developed after it. MMO's that are currently in development likely got funded because of the desire for a piece of it's market share. EVERYONE that plays online games should be thanking Blizzard for making it. If WoW had failed, whatever game you're playing right now probably wouldn't have even been made.
City of Heroes was my first MMORPG, and both it and Eve Online were both released prior to WoW by a year or more. EQ2 launched at almost the same time as WoW, and FFXI beat it by almost two years. All WoW gave us was a much more mainstream audience and an army of terribad knockoffs (with the exception of LotRO, but even that would have been far better if they'd stuck to the game as it was as Middle Earth Online instead of WoWizing it into LotRO).
In short, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no kudos, and may God have mercy on your soul.
WoW is directly responsible for almost every MMO that was developed after it. MMO's that are currently in development likely got funded because of the desire for a piece of it's market share. EVERYONE that plays online games should be thanking Blizzard for making it. If WoW had failed, whatever game you're playing right now probably wouldn't have even been made.
City of Heroes was my first MMORPG, and both it and Eve Online were both released prior to WoW by a year or more. EQ2 launched at almost the same time as WoW, and FFXI beat it by almost two years. All WoW gave us was a much more mainstream audience and an army of terribad knockoffs (with the exception of LotRO, but even that would have been far better if they'd stuck to the game as it was as Middle Earth Online instead of WoWizing it into LotRO).
In short, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no kudos, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Say what you want about WoW, but WoW made MMORPG mainstream.
As a fan of the genre, I can't thank WoW enough for removing the stigma MMOs had in the general public.
Why? Cause I want more people to enjoy what I enjoy; MMOs!
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Well, in the new game general chat is filled by Wow is this and that; don't care - stay in Wow if it's so good.
Games are trying to copy paste WoW? (Some of em maybe, but Lotro? AoC? and War? in what. stuff they are copy pasting WoW?) Another guy who thinks WoW was first MMO? Lame.. And btw I'm ok with classes and raids, also quests.. You need all of this, unless you are making Sandbox MMO but also there is gona be some kind of raid and quests..
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
Yeah I played WoW for years and understood exactly why people weren't thrilled at the though of an influx of WoW players.
Yes there are a lot of good people who play WoW that most gaming communities would love to have. There are also a lot of angry vocal 12-15 yr. old boys and if you don't have the maturity to understand that they will reflect badly on the community as a whole regardless of how many good people you have then you get things like this thread.
Thats what happens after years of nothing but "rofl your game of choice sucks balls our games pwns your game because it has teh more players!!!11!"
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
wheres my rifle..
Yup, there are children everywhere, even some of the older gamers act like toddlers. It's all a failed attempt to overcompensate for being born with whatever it is that they are selfconscience of.
Nobody is trying to make WoW 2. They take ideas that have been proven to work whilst adding their own ideas as well. The only thing developers need to do is stop releasing games when they aren't ready. They lose so many players when they force the players through a half finished game, which is exactly what AoC, WAR, Champions and STO did. (If they launched these games now instead of when they did, we might be looking at a very different scenario)
From what i've seen, TOR is far more than a WoW clone. It shares a few basic elements but WoW did not create those.
Hello,
I think the attitude stems from that when a WoW player enters into a MMO they compare it to WoW and when it isn't exactly like WoW the complain and troll the game. Seen this like 20 times in DC Unvierse since release and even some in beta. So after the trolling people tend to tell them go back to WoW and don't waste your money on this game if you hate it so much and want to play a game exactly like WoW then play WoW.
Dustin
I would agree.
And the solo reason given why feature X is 'good' is because WoW has it and given how popular WoW is its clear people want said feature and if you dont want said feature you are just wrong because its in WoW and its clearly a good feature because people play WoW...repeat...forever
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
well, they hardly have to do that with this game.. trion did it all for them alrwady.
Quite!
Tis silly to think people are calling games WoW-clones because they wish to turn the game into WoW. What sort of logic is that?
After rolling DK Bloodelf and switching to Horde, my advise: join the Horde. People are at an average 10 years older and more mature. I had CONVERSATIONS.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
This thread is phunnie. Post after post of people saying what ticks them off about WoW players, and post after post of WoW players doing exactly what the others guys say tick them off. You couldnt get a better example of the strife than right here.
Most absurd thing ive ever read on this website.
The whiners who bitch about WoW and WoW players are the disenfranchised, who are upset that the genre is evolving beyond them. Kind of like conservatives whining about the world evolving beyond them as well. They're so terrified of being forgotten by developers, that they lash out at anything or anyone that enjoys or resembles casual oriented games like WoW.
They bitch and moan in forums and on server wide channels in the hopes that the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Replace WoW with random facebook game and you get the same conclusion. Does disliking facebook games make me a whiner?
I don't like them either, but I won't take my time to whine about it on the forums. What would be the point?
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
Any generalising statements toward a group of people are just stupid, as is an elitist attitude toward WoW players in particular.
Believe it or not, in Aion I was actually kicked from a guild once because I was discussing some WoW moments with a player who happened to be from my old server in chat with the notice that "We don't need WoW scrubs." or something to that effect.
What these people do not realise, is that they're drawing attention away from the actual game and toward WoW with their posts, be they negative or positive.
And dudes, the trolls in chat are just that: trolls. WoW did not spawn them, they just do what they do because they want attention. Ignore them. You don't even know if they ever actually played world of warcraft, which is not required to troll about it.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Um, no.
You can't possibly think that, can you?
Let me ask you a question: If person [A] likes the taste of Pepsi, and buys pepsi for 4 years because they love the way it tastes, but then the corp. headquarters at Pepsi realize that more kids drink Sunny D than Pepsi (probably untrue, but let's just use it for now) so they decide to stop making Pepsi taste like Pepsi and decide to make it taste like Sunny D, but still call it Pespi. Do you think person [A] is supposed to just go with the flow and CHANGE their taste buds and personal likings to fit the corp. agenda? What about the million other people that liked Pepsi before it because Sunny D with a pepsi logo? They are just whiners who won't 'evolve' ? Just because there's more kids to sell sunny D to than adults to sell Pepsi to doesn't make it evolution, nor does it make it RIGHT.
Just because a corporation decides to change something about their product in hopes of gaining a higher annual profit does not mean that it's consumers aren't evolving just because they refuse to act like they 'enjoy' the new flavor. It's not up to the corp. to decide what it's consumers like, it's up to the consumers.
Now, I can only imagine you would come at this topic from the direction you came from because you are fully enjoying WoW and all of it's 'new age' glory. Good for you. How does that make any of us who do not like the game, or the vocal community, a conservative whiner?
I have two words to those backstabbers:
_jealousy _envy_
And just stop using elitismelitist, its so overly used and never correctly used no more.
City of Heroes was my first MMORPG, and both it and Eve Online were both released prior to WoW by a year or more. EQ2 launched at almost the same time as WoW, and FFXI beat it by almost two years. All WoW gave us was a much more mainstream audience and an army of terribad knockoffs (with the exception of LotRO, but even that would have been far better if they'd stuck to the game as it was as Middle Earth Online instead of WoWizing it into LotRO).
In short, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no kudos, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Say what you want about WoW, but WoW made MMORPG mainstream.
As a fan of the genre, I can't thank WoW enough for removing the stigma MMOs had in the general public.
Why? Cause I want more people to enjoy what I enjoy; MMOs!
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.