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What makes people so certain BW can't make a good mmorpg?

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  • IsaneIsane Member UncommonPosts: 2,630

    Originally posted by jaxsundane

    I've been only half way in the loop as far as console and offline pc games go lately so I can admit there are quite a few games I've missed in these past few years one of them being Mass Effect 1 and 2.

    I picked up a copy of ME2 for the PS3 release and after having played it these last few days it reminded me of what Bioware is capable of with a game that many other devs out there are incapable of and that's getting a player fully engrossed in what is going on in the game world.  I haven't finished the game yet but just from what I've played I get the sense of being in a well made mmorpg until I remember that none of those other people are players like me.

    This game gave me the same feeling I got when I played Baldurs Gate and the IWD games that I believe were inspired by the BG saga.  At the end of the day Bioware has more games that feel like mmorpg's than many mmorpg developers do, I mean could you imagine if STO played even half way like ME2 does?

    What in the world is it that people see to make them make statements suggesting because this is the first mmorpg they made they can't pull it off??

    People make these statements purely because they can and they believ it will cause a goo brawl. Some have grudges some are trolls just looking for a reaction. A lot of people are unintelligent bear grudges easily and don't appreciate hard work and effort and are just jealous of companies who do things right and well. SWTOR is a great target for all of these types , take what they say with a pinch of salt as they are worthless.

    The reality is Bioware are the best in the industry they wont fail. Beacuse at the end of the day they will recover their costs on just content and storyline and the fun gaming experience they will create. On top of that they will deliver everything every other MMO has delivered and more.

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  • SionedSioned Member UncommonPosts: 135

    Originally posted by Isane

    Originally posted by jaxsundane

    I've been only half way in the loop as far as console and offline pc games go lately so I can admit there are quite a few games I've missed in these past few years one of them being Mass Effect 1 and 2.

    I picked up a copy of ME2 for the PS3 release and after having played it these last few days it reminded me of what Bioware is capable of with a game that many other devs out there are incapable of and that's getting a player fully engrossed in what is going on in the game world.  I haven't finished the game yet but just from what I've played I get the sense of being in a well made mmorpg until I remember that none of those other people are players like me.

    This game gave me the same feeling I got when I played Baldurs Gate and the IWD games that I believe were inspired by the BG saga.  At the end of the day Bioware has more games that feel like mmorpg's than many mmorpg developers do, I mean could you imagine if STO played even half way like ME2 does?

    What in the world is it that people see to make them make statements suggesting because this is the first mmorpg they made they can't pull it off??

    People make these statements purely because they can and they believ it will cause a goo brawl. Some have grudges some are trolls just looking for a reaction. A lot of people are unintelligent bear grudges easily and don't appreciate hard work and effort and are just jealous of companies who do things right and well. SWTOR is a great target for all of these types , take what they say with a pinch of salt as they are worthless.

    The reality is Bioware are the best in the industry they wont fail. Beacuse at the end of the day they will recover their costs on just content and storyline and the fun gaming experience they will create. On top of that they will deliver everything every other MMO has delivered and more.

    Kinda harsh statement - because you neglect the ppl who actually want the game to suceed but have reasonable fears based on fact and released information that TOR might not be so great. So either you argument on a higher level of commitment. Or please just go and troll elsewhere. Because compared to most posts in this thread it seems that you are just a fanboi who wants to goo a brawl :P

  • EladiEladi Member UncommonPosts: 1,145

    Nobody can predict if it be good or bad, everyone guess so all post made are personal opinions and rather worthless to everyone but the poster him/herself.

    You either reply to join the forum game "be the oracle" or you keep silent and lauch at all that waised time and emotion over a game thats not even out yet.

  • monothmonoth Member Posts: 551

    For those who are already saying TOR will fail, what do you consider a true MMO?

     

    I've played a lot of MMO's and to be honest im tired of the same old crap that developers keep giving us, pretty much all the mmo's out there are just copies of each other.   Everything I've seen and read gives me hope that TOR will be a good MMO....  But all of us really need to hold judgement until the final product ships.

  • EkarosEkaros Member UncommonPosts: 367

    I see issue as:

    Bioware makes good single player action(it realy isn't RPGs, if you only have one role to play with simplistic mechanics) games, decent story...

    SWTOR will be decent game, but I won't personaly belive that after initial month or one play through there is much to continue on. So, initial box sales might be huge, but player base won't stay for long and after first rush people might pop on from time to time.

    MMO could be so much more, but SWTOR seems like an other Bioware game made as MMO, not a MMO specialy made with deep and complex system...

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by Ekaros

    I see issue as:

    Bioware makes good single player action(it realy isn't RPGs, if you only have one role to play with simplistic mechanics) games, decent story...

    SWTOR will be decent game, but I won't personaly belive that after initial month or one play through there is much to continue on. So, initial box sales might be huge, but player base won't stay for long and after first rush people might pop on from time to time.

    MMO could be so much more, but SWTOR seems like an other Bioware game made as MMO, not a MMO specialy made with deep and complex system...

    Yes. But the good news is that many people are trying different things right now including Bioware.

    When you mix ideas from games like TOR, GW2, WoDO and other upcoming titles you should get a pretty interesting evolution of MMOs in 5 years.

    I personally think TOR will be pretty large but mostly popular among people that like to solo a lot or play small groups. That is just a guess however, none of us don't know exactly what the game will offer and how fun it will be but it is a mistake to underestimate Bioware, they have sold a lot of games in the past and have an insane budget.

    However the games become huge or small I think some of it's ideas are here to stay for the games after.

    Take the good stuff from themepark games, sandbox games and the new features we will see in the games of 2011 and 2012 and I think the future of MMOs will be interesting.

    Of course it can go the other way too and the genre might go back to being a small genre with some few time consuming games close to EQ and UO, predicting the future is hard but I am optimistic.

    Between TOR, GW2 and WoDO and add whatever Bethesda is working on and we should find at least one game that will be fun for most people. :)

  • SlampigSlampig Member UncommonPosts: 2,342

    Originally posted by jaxsundane

    I've been only half way in the loop as far as console and offline pc games go lately so I can admit there are quite a few games I've missed in these past few years one of them being Mass Effect 1 and 2.

    I picked up a copy of ME2 for the PS3 release and after having played it these last few days it reminded me of what Bioware is capable of with a game that many other devs out there are incapable of and that's getting a player fully engrossed in what is going on in the game world.  I haven't finished the game yet but just from what I've played I get the sense of being in a well made mmorpg until I remember that none of those other people are players like me.

    This game gave me the same feeling I got when I played Baldurs Gate and the IWD games that I believe were inspired by the BG saga.  At the end of the day Bioware has more games that feel like mmorpg's than many mmorpg developers do, I mean could you imagine if STO played even half way like ME2 does?

    What in the world is it that people see to make them make statements suggesting because this is the first mmorpg they made they can't pull it off??

    It isn't SWG, that is the reason people are moaning about this game...image

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  • SwaneaSwanea Member UncommonPosts: 2,401

    Originally posted by Sioned

    Originally posted by Swanea

    I would gladly correct Sioned with more up to date information regarding the game, but sadly, I am unable to silence his fears at this point.

    I would be glad if you could too.

     

    on a further notice its "her fears"

    Lo Siento!

    There is one thing I think people need to think about.  Mass Effect one was a great game, no doubt.  But they made some changes for ME2 that made the game much more popular.  You can argue whatever you want about how it could have dumbed down the game, or just made it a shooter, or it's not an RPG anymore since you feel you are superior to certain popular games.  That's fine.

    This game is going to cater to as many people as possible to bring in the most money possible.  EA/Bioware aren't going to be stupid about this.  They want money and lots of it. If they make a  themepark sandbox, the game would bomb and they'd never get their 150? million dollars back.  Am I calling themepark sandboxes bad or those that enjoy that type of game dumb or elitists or something? nope.  Just it's a much better business idea to go with what works and more people enjoy then something that a lot less people do.

    The game is being made for the masses.  If you have that attitude of games for the masses = bad or stupid, you will turn your nose at this game before you try it.  Similar to how so many people call WoW or ME2 or DA2 "for the casual kids".  You made up your mind before hand and twist facts to fit your bill.

  • Cereal2KCereal2K Member UncommonPosts: 14

    I love how the quests are supposed to be more of an experience in this game....especially when you're being honest and admit that, in my estimation, 80-95% of mmo players solo quest or grind  to max level anyways with occasional grouping for harder stuff or instances/dungeons so dont give me that guff about it being singleplayer....like all of you leveled in all the games you played with full 5 player groups (or whatever the max group number in your chosen game is)

    So making the journey of questing actually engaging and fun and taking the mindless quest-grind out of it a bit seems extremely awesome to me. But yeah I guess if you never read questtexts or give a shit about anything happening storywise anyways and only care to level as fast as possible then yeah I guess engaging questlines and voice overs do suck :P

    To clarify I myself am cautiously upbeat about this game...the videos I've seen so far looked kinda dodgy but in my experience you have to play a mmo to see if you enjoy it, get the feel of it...most mmo videos bored the hell out of me but when I actually played I often found it's tons of fun.  

    The biggest part of the game you can see in a video is also the most irrelevant imo like grafics interface etc....but then again I played UO for about 6-7 years so I can see past grafics and enjoy an awesome game. Nowadays most people seem to be too hung up on grafics. My friends too...95% of the time the first comment they make is like "Dude the grafics suck" or something else grafics-related. Do any of those people actually realize that years ago they LOVED games that had way worse grafics than games they shun today for looking 15x better than those old games?

    Well whatever....what I was trying to say was that some or most points people seem to bring up when trying to justify their claims BW won't be able to make a viable MMO are reasons that actually make me think they might pull it off VERY nicely as they're features that imo improve the genre of MMOs and take them away from mindlessness a bit but that doesnt seem to be for everyone.

    Cheers, CK

  • nomssnomss Member UncommonPosts: 1,468

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by Ekaros

    I see issue as:

    Bioware makes good single player action(it realy isn't RPGs, if you only have one role to play with simplistic mechanics) games, decent story...

    SWTOR will be decent game, but I won't personaly belive that after initial month or one play through there is much to continue on. So, initial box sales might be huge, but player base won't stay for long and after first rush people might pop on from time to time.

    MMO could be so much more, but SWTOR seems like an other Bioware game made as MMO, not a MMO specialy made with deep and complex system...

    Yes. But the good news is that many people are trying different things right now including Bioware.

    When you mix ideas from games like TOR, GW2, WoDO and other upcoming titles you should get a pretty interesting evolution of MMOs in 5 years.

    I personally think TOR will be pretty large but mostly popular among people that like to solo a lot or play small groups. That is just a guess however, none of us don't know exactly what the game will offer and how fun it will be but it is a mistake to underestimate Bioware, they have sold a lot of games in the past and have an insane budget.

    However the games become huge or small I think some of it's ideas are here to stay for the games after.

    Take the good stuff from themepark games, sandbox games and the new features we will see in the games of 2011 and 2012 and I think the future of MMOs will be interesting.

    Of course it can go the other way too and the genre might go back to being a small genre with some few time consuming games close to EQ and UO, predicting the future is hard but I am optimistic.

    Between TOR, GW2 and WoDO and add whatever Bethesda is working on and we should find at least one game that will be fun for most people. :)

    If I'm not wrong, I have heard devs say; something along this line: we'll give you the game you want, if you want to play with 4 people we have stuff for you, if you want to play with 25 people we also have stuff for you.

    I'm pretty sure I've heard that line in some video.

  • monothmonoth Member Posts: 551

    I remember everyone saying how great Age of Conan was when it came out because of Tortage, you could do some multi-player stuff but you could also switch over to the story arc which was single player, it was a lot of fun... People got upset once they left Tortage and the game became a standard MMO with only grind quests and little to no story arc.

     

    A lot of the reviews for AOC would say 10 out of 10 for levels 1-20 (Tortage) and 5 out of 10 for levels 21-80....   This tells me that Bioware is on the right tract .....

     

    Here's the bottom line, if you don't like Bioware's Mass Effect series or Dragon Age series then your probably not going to like this game, but if you do then you should be in for one hell of a good time...

     

    My prediction is, this game will be a huge success and probably hover around 2-3 million subscribers for a long time...

     

    The Problem with SWG was it had a crappy front end and a steep learning curve which turned a lot of people off, those who stuck with it fell in love with the game.... A lot of people had multiple accounts in order to have a warrior and a crafter...  If they would of just improved the UI and had some tutorials to help people get the hang of things I think it would of done a lot better...  Other issue was lack of content at launch, they released the game about a year to soon...

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515

    Originally posted by jaxsundane

    I've been only half way in the loop as far as console and offline pc games go lately so I can admit there are quite a few games I've missed in these past few years one of them being Mass Effect 1 and 2.

    I picked up a copy of ME2 for the PS3 release and after having played it these last few days it reminded me of what Bioware is capable of with a game that many other devs out there are incapable of and that's getting a player fully engrossed in what is going on in the game world.  I haven't finished the game yet but just from what I've played I get the sense of being in a well made mmorpg until I remember that none of those other people are players like me.

    This game gave me the same feeling I got when I played Baldurs Gate and the IWD games that I believe were inspired by the BG saga.  At the end of the day Bioware has more games that feel like mmorpg's than many mmorpg developers do, I mean could you imagine if STO played even half way like ME2 does?

    What in the world is it that people see to make them make statements suggesting because this is the first mmorpg they made they can't pull it off??

    I think the real question is, what makes you so certain that they can? o_O

    This is not a game.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    Originally posted by Zeroxin

    Originally posted by jaxsundane

    I've been only half way in the loop as far as console and offline pc games go lately so I can admit there are quite a few games I've missed in these past few years one of them being Mass Effect 1 and 2.

    I picked up a copy of ME2 for the PS3 release and after having played it these last few days it reminded me of what Bioware is capable of with a game that many other devs out there are incapable of and that's getting a player fully engrossed in what is going on in the game world.  I haven't finished the game yet but just from what I've played I get the sense of being in a well made mmorpg until I remember that none of those other people are players like me.

    This game gave me the same feeling I got when I played Baldurs Gate and the IWD games that I believe were inspired by the BG saga.  At the end of the day Bioware has more games that feel like mmorpg's than many mmorpg developers do, I mean could you imagine if STO played even half way like ME2 does?

    What in the world is it that people see to make them make statements suggesting because this is the first mmorpg they made they can't pull it off??

    I think the real question is, what makes you so certain that they can? o_O

    Because this is Bioware.

    You can say what you want about them but they haven't released a game that hasn't been critically and commercially well received.

    There is a difference between a 'good game' and a 'game that fits my taste'. Whether this one will fit your particular taste is up in the air, what we do know is that they make 'good games'.

    I'm not a huge fan of FPS but I do know that Half Life 1/2 is a 'good game'.

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    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • SionedSioned Member UncommonPosts: 135

    Originally posted by Cereal2K

    I love how the quests are supposed to be more of an experience in this game....especially when you're being honest and admit that, in my estimation, 80-95% of mmo players solo quest or grind  to max level anyways with occasional grouping for harder stuff or instances/dungeons so dont give me that guff about it being singleplayer....like all of you leveled in all the games you played with full 5 player groups (or whatever the max group number in your chosen game is)

    Fairly unfair statement: I for my self enjoy questing a lot. In all mmorpgs i have played since 2000. I always tried to do as many quests as possible. The way to level is part of a mmo the mmo doesnt start at max level.

    So making the journey of questing actually engaging and fun and taking the mindless quest-grind out of it a bit seems extremely awesome to me. But yeah I guess if you never read questtexts or give a shit about anything happening storywise anyways and only care to level as fast as possible then yeah I guess engaging questlines and voice overs do suck :P

    i always prefered questing over solo grind and i especially enjoy questing in groups. I am looking forward to a system that enforces this but because TOR will have the NPC Coop modus there is no enforced group interaction here. Yes i am pretty sure i will enjoy the quest system, but why do i need total voiceover for this experience?? Its like cream on a cake. The cream is nice but i want the cake to be tasty and freshly baked - and i want a new cake each day. If i have to wait for my cake because the cream takes so long to prepare - i dont need it.

    To clarify I myself am cautiously upbeat about this game...the videos I've seen so far looked kinda dodgy but in my experience you have to play a mmo to see if you enjoy it, get the feel of it...most mmo videos bored the hell out of me but when I actually played I often found it's tons of fun.  

    The biggest part of the game you can see in a video is also the most irrelevant imo like grafics interface etc....but then again I played UO for about 6-7 years so I can see past grafics and enjoy an awesome game. Nowadays most people seem to be too hung up on grafics. My friends too...95% of the time the first comment they make is like "Dude the grafics suck" or something else grafics-related. Do any of those people actually realize that years ago they LOVED games that had way worse grafics than games they shun today for looking 15x better than those old games?

    Grafix are not the most important feature of a game agreed. Still i want a game appeal to me not only on a gameplay level but also on a visual level. Bioware has realised this already and they gradually added more detail to the characters. They still stick to their comic style but it is softend by more and more realism. For me the major let down with TOR grafic was the difference in enviroment and the characters. Because the surrunding looks like a photo and the character felt misplaced but they tweaked it a lot and looks more and more appealing to me.

    Well whatever....what I was trying to say was that some or most points people seem to bring up when trying to justify their claims BW won't be able to make a viable MMO are reasons that actually make me think they might pull it off VERY nicely as they're features that imo improve the genre of MMOs and take them away from mindlessness a bit but that doesnt seem to be for everyone.

    How is that ? TOR is not a Sandbox game. So after you played through their content. What will you do ? where is the long time motivation. Normally that would be stuff like: PVP, economy, influencing the world, raiding , equipment grinding. Based on the current information we know nothing about these core elememts of any other mmo. We also dont know anything about an alternative approach from BW. With the current information this game would bore you to death once you are through the content. Ofc the content will be more fun than in other games. But honestly is this enough to make a descent mmo? Do you really think Quests alone can satisfy the audience in a long term gameplay? AoC had a similar idea with the starter Island. Everyone said they had a blast in this time. But the later game sucked. So even if you stretch this gameplay style full of story and quest time till level XX. What do you do AFTER ? 

    Cheers, CK

     

  • KorithianKorithian Member Posts: 243

     Cause most of the recent MMO's have failed. Maybe thats cause they are all compared to WoW or expectations are too high or cause the forumal just isn't easy to get right.

     

      But then BW have done little to dispell this. They except people want game play information but rather than give it they keep saying they will only talk about something when they are ready. With a Spring 2011 launch suggested the game should be ready to be talked about and they are polishing like crazy for the last couple of months. This suggests that they aren't on track and sadly likely that bringing story, companions, consequences, light/dark points etc maybe proving too much and they can't get the elements of the game to mesh. Hence the inability to talk about much outside lore and concept art for planets, classes, history and species.

  • WepsyWepsy Member Posts: 59

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

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  • thamighty213thamighty213 Member UncommonPosts: 1,637

    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

  • AlotAlot Member Posts: 1,948

    Originally posted by thamighty213

    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

    Don't say that already: "anyone who thinks WAR will have any less than 3+ million subscriptions has taken too much WoW-crack".

    Don't, just don't go WAR.

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    SWTOR has much more money to spend on this game than all the big failures like War and AoC. Both of these games were released early because of financial constraints.

    Bioware will make sure that what we are playing is a MMORPG and not simply an MMO without the RPG part. 

     


    Originally posted by Alot

    Originally posted by thamighty213

    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

    Don't say that already: "anyone who thinks WAR will have any less than 3+ million subscriptions has taken too much WoW-crack".

    Don't, just don't go WAR.


    You are comparing War to SWTOR. War didn't have nearly as much money to spend. War was made by Mythic. I mean seriously that company is a nobody compared to Bioware. Mythic never had such amazing games like BG, NWN, ME, DAO, KOTOR etc. I knew back then that War will fail. Why? Because it was supposed to be a PvP game with PvE as an afterthought. PvE players will not be pleased with War and the majority of MMO players play MMO for their PvE not PvP.


    Just look at most haters of SWTOR, they think that every game needs PvP as its main focus and they go all sandbox rage mode on us where most players.


     


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  • whilanwhilan Member UncommonPosts: 3,472

    What makes me so certain? couple of reason at least for me

    First off they have some experience with servers with neverwinter nights: which means they understand how servers work

    Second, they haven't really made a game i disliked: which means i'll most likely enjoy the content they will give out

    Third, this is a big company that has made game after game that has been well received: which means to me that they know how to make games that will sell.

    Finally they have wanted to make an MMO since Neverwinter nights, which means to me that they have the desire and passion to want to make the game.

     

    Experience plus passion plus results tell me that they can make me pretty certain they can make a good RPG and the MMO part really isn't that hard to do.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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  • AjninrepuSAjninrepuS Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    SWTOR has much more money to spend on this game than all the big failures like War and AoC. Both of these games were released early because of financial constraints.

    Bioware will make sure that what we are playing is a MMORPG and not simply an MMO without the RPG part. 

     


    Originally posted by Alot


    Originally posted by thamighty213


    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

    Don't say that already: "anyone who thinks WAR will have any less than 3+ million subscriptions has taken too much WoW-crack".

    Don't, just don't go WAR.


    You are comparing War to SWTOR. War didn't have nearly as much money to spend. War was made by Mythic. I mean seriously that company is a no one compared to Bioware. Mythic never had such amazing games like BG, NWN, ME, DAO, KOTOR etc.


     Uh.. Come to an MMORPG site and say DAOC was nothing... How retarded are you....? DAOC was God and still is to some people.

  • WepsyWepsy Member Posts: 59

    Originally posted by thamighty213

    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

     I'll be one of those 1m+ subs anyway.

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  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    Originally posted by AjninrepuS

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    SWTOR has much more money to spend on this game than all the big failures like War and AoC. Both of these games were released early because of financial constraints.

    Bioware will make sure that what we are playing is a MMORPG and not simply an MMO without the RPG part. 

     


    Originally posted by Alot


    Originally posted by thamighty213


    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

    Don't say that already: "anyone who thinks WAR will have any less than 3+ million subscriptions has taken too much WoW-crack".

    Don't, just don't go WAR.


    You are comparing War to SWTOR. War didn't have nearly as much money to spend. War was made by Mythic. I mean seriously that company is a no one compared to Bioware. Mythic never had such amazing games like BG, NWN, ME, DAO, KOTOR etc.


     Uh.. Come to an MMORPG site and say DAOC was nothing... How retarded are you....? DAOC was God and still is to some people.

    It was popular for how long exactly? Mythic got lucky with one good idea but their game quickly went down the drain. Its PvE was so amazing! Yeah!

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,407

    Someone else said this ,wish it was me though ,but Bioware has yet to make a game I did not like.  I think one of the best games I ever played was Dragon Age and Mass Effect series. The characters are so fantastic they stay in your mind long after the game is over. They evoke real emotions in your heart and when you see a character you love get hurt it hurts you. Now that is storytelling. 

     

    I am one of those people who cry when I watch a good movie or read a good book so emotions that a game can raise in me is a winner every time. So yes I am thoroughly convinced Bioware has got me from "hello"

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  • whilanwhilan Member UncommonPosts: 3,472

    Originally posted by Wepsy

    Originally posted by thamighty213


    Originally posted by Wepsy

    This game will be a Hybrid MMO then, Sandbox mixed in with Themepark. Crafting will be nowhere as indepth as SWG, Space combat limited they said ? 17 planets so far may be not as big as SWG but big enough to be classified as a Sandbox game? Maybe WOW with a hint of SWG shaken not stirred and you get SW:TOR.

    Star Wars & BW fans will love it others will hate it, few looking for something new will welcome a change, those faithful to SWG will attack it.

     

    I have a strong feeling (almost a disturbance in the force you could say lol) that this game will not reach 1 million subs, possibly not even be a good game and WOW will continue to be No.1  

    Heh I have a strong feeling your wrong (almost a You underestimate the power of the darkside) that TOR will easily pull 1m + subs :)

     I'll be one of those 1m+ subs anyway.

    This is no mark of how well the game will do but the swtor forums themselves have nearly 1M users registered, pretty good for a site.  Granted some could be repeats but then again some people don't sign up to the site either, so i kinda figure the extra pluses and minuses cancel each other out.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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