You are just as bad as the OP with the ranting and raving about features nobody has said will be in the game. You are welcome to do some nostradamus armchair predictions however
Nobody cares about a dungeon finder unless it's going to be cross realm.
You are just as naive if you don't think they will implement something like that in the future. The only reason some games don't have those features is because they don't the capability.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
The OP lists concerns that apply to previous experience as well as to their own likes/dislikes in their playstyle as well as others' (that number and percentage cannot be verified). In some ways, they are valid concerns (the dual sides on servers thing being one) but as opposed to other publishers past histories - so far this company has proven to move forward according to the needs and wants of its future playerbase.
Don't get me wrong, I have been conditioned to be cynical about mmo publishers in general but so far, I have seen little in the way of this one that sends me running away. In this case, I will be subscribing and play it by ear from there.
I am by far a Rift fanboy...To me Rift is a well polished game with no originality , Im sure its been said before! The game feels like WoW and WAR had a baby and named it Rift.
To me its not such bad thing but not a great one either. I happened to enjoy WoW and WAR! So i will probably play Rift for a few months anyway , but have i found a new MMORPG home? At this point i dont thinkk so but hey noly time will tell.
Anyway getting to the posters OP.......Your complaining about the fact Trion is willing to listen to feed back from there players?
I hate to break it to you but thats not a bad thing! Maybe there looking to please large variety of players . From casual to hardcore , and everything between. If they do add a dungeon finder , it doesnt mean you have to use it. Its about having the choice.
About the female clothing ......... As a mother of 2 children i can see why there could be a complaint. Personally i havemt noticed the outfits being that reveiling , but i only got to level 14. I dont wanna see my 11 yr old son get excited over a female game character. thats just weird , but like i said i havent seen anything worth QQ'ing over.
Also i see nothing wrong with being able to choose sides with diffrent toons on the same server. to me its its kind of annoying having to switch servers just to play on the opposite faction.
But hey what can i say? Everybody has right to there own opinion.
So let the haters hate! Let the whiners whine! and Let the PLAYERS play!
While I don't really like this trend of using mmorpg.com forums as a giant blog to post how you feel about the game instead of creating/using different threads to discuss distinct topics, I'm impressed by the number of replies it generated...
Btw, just because a popular game has a feature or a feature is popular, doesn't mean that I'm going to like it. I find the implementation of the achievement system so far lacking (not in Rift yet, haven't explored it as much).
As for the cross server auto LFG tool, it was an elaborate way for Blizzard to turn their game from an open world into a intanced chat room with the cities serving as major player hubs. Sort of like what the new MMO Titan will be. And people really hated DDO for what it was, oh well. I wonder if the people playing nowadays have any people in their friends list. It was like in the old games with diablo 2 multiplayer, who cared who the other people in the game were, really.
1. The server types seperate the carebears from the pvp addicts. Trion has said this game is ment to be played on a pvp server.
The pvp servers of every game is loaded with carebares, all the pvp servers do is concentrate the actuall pvpers. If the game is meant to be played on pvp servers, why not just make them all pvp?
2. This doesn't matter. They aren't going to change female clothing. Ever. Too expensive.
Doesnt effect gameplay
3. Dual side pvp servers are an interesting spin. Wait and see how it goes before busting a nut. Its different. Try it out.
If it turns out to be lame, or less than spectaculair, will people be allowed to return to a regulair server, or be stuck on a dead one?
4. They never said they'd add a dungeon finder. But they did say everything will be localized to the server. No cross server minigame bullshit.
Everyone likes dungeon finders, because they save time and effort in grouping. Everyone hates dungeon finders because you dont get to meet your server, or develop a close community.
5. DPS meters don't matter. Everyone knows this.
Not caring about DPS meters leavs you looking for the dreaded PUG for endgame activites...this comment doesnt reflect reality. You know where the majority of this community comes from...a game that invented caring about DPS meters, skill rotation, and a site called elitest jerks, where they mathamatically find the "best" build ect...you are expected to follow this to a T in game, or you get kicked from groups and shunned. To think thats going to go away because its a diffrent game (debatable i guess) is crazy. This game will have required souls/classes/builds/rotations come endgame...unless you want your endgame to rest on the whims of PUG grouping...
TRUST TRION.
Never trust anyone who tells you to trust them...ALWAYS
You have to give them a fucking chance to do things before you judge about them listening to the player base.
This is kind of true....however. ITS BETA THIS IS THE TIME TO CHANGE THINGS BASED ON PLAYER EXPERIENCE
They are a company that follows the old phrase if its not fun it'll be removed.
Why remove options from a game if they are not populair?
Bitch about stupid people 6 months after release. Your point of view will be more noted.
Ugh, Rift has a DUNGEON FINDER? I was hoping that moronic idea wouldn't spread beyond WoW. This is probably the worst idea for MMOs since instancing started getting abused. I refuse to touch any game with it. Thank GOD I didn't waste any money or attention on this game.
Any game with a dnugeon finder CANNOT call itself an MMORPG. Just rename yourself to whatever genre Diablo is.
Ugh, Rift has a DUNGEON FINDER? I was hoping that moronic idea wouldn't spread beyond WoW. This is probably the worst idea for MMOs since instancing started getting abused. I refuse to touch any game with it. Thank GOD I didn't waste any money or attention on this game.
Any game with a dnugeon finder CANNOT call itself an MMORPG. Just rename yourself to whatever genre Diablo is.
No, Rift does not have a LFG tool unfortunately. Nothing wrong with such a tool in my opinion as long as:
Is not automated and
Is not cross server
The PvP warfronts (battlegrounds) however are cross server automated, which implies that Trion can do the same with the PvE instances if they so wish.
Ugh, Rift has a DUNGEON FINDER? I was hoping that moronic idea wouldn't spread beyond WoW. This is probably the worst idea for MMOs since instancing started getting abused. I refuse to touch any game with it. Thank GOD I didn't waste any money or attention on this game.
Any game with a dnugeon finder CANNOT call itself an MMORPG. Just rename yourself to whatever genre Diablo is.
No, Rift does not have a LFG tool unfortunately. Nothing wrong with such a tool in my opinion as long as:
Is not automated and
Is not cross server
The PvP warfronts (battlegrounds) however are cross server automated, which implies that Trion can do the same with the PvE instances if they so wish.
That's bad enough. WoW has the worst battlegrounds system out of any game i've ever played. But maybe I'm spoiled because I played DAoC.
When will developers learn that if they want good PvP they need to build up rivalries and allow for flexible gameplay? Which means... NO HARD LOCKED INSTANCES and RANDOMIZED TEAMS AND PLAYERS YOU'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
The true test of the game will be on the contested zones in my opinion. Lets see if they manage to garner enough attention after launch (because beta is not an indication as WAR has demonstrated).
1. The server types seperate the carebears from the pvp addicts. Trion has said this game is ment to be played on a pvp server.
2. This doesn't matter. They aren't going to change female clothing. Ever. Too expensive.
3. Dual side pvp servers are an interesting spin. Wait and see how it goes before busting a nut. Its different. Try it out.
4. They never said they'd add a dungeon finder. But they did say everything will be localized to the server. No cross server minigame bullshit.
5. DPS meters don't matter. Everyone knows this.
TRUST TRION.
You have to give them a fucking chance to do things before you judge about them listening to the player base.
They are a company that follows the old phrase if its not fun it'll be removed.
Bitch about stupid people 6 months after release. Your point of view will be more noted.
Seriously, I'd like to see the link where a Trion Dev or anyone that represented Trion said the game was meant to be played on a pvp server. Until you produce that I'm calling B.S. I've played to lvl 35 on a PVE server and it provides everything you need and then some to enjoy the game without getting ganked by a pvp player.
I always wonder if people that hate on DPS meters have ever even used them.
If a meter just looked like showed you a number for each person, the complaint is valid.
Meters show you so much more.. Top 3 attacked, CC breakers, Interrupts. Meter haters like to say "Playing properly is about so much more than dps." [b]News Flash[/b] Meters can show you that.
Meters can/do show you player damage taken, some meters even chart and can show you where a player went inactive during a fight. Recount tries to guage activity...your total contribution to the fight but that's very hard to guage.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I always wonder if people that hate on DPS meters have ever even used them.
If a meter just looked like showed you a number for each person, the complaint is valid.
Meters show you so much more.. Top 3 attacked, CC breakers, Interrupts. Meter haters like to say "Playing properly is about so much more than dps." [b]News Flash[/b] Meters can show you that.
Meters can/do show you player damage taken, some meters even chart and can show you where a player went inactive during a fight. Recount tries to guage activity...your total contribution to the fight but that's very hard to guage.
There is nothing wrong with DPS meters themselves,they ar eonyl a tool,it's how the tool is used that people hate...they make tihngs less aobut palying a social game and more about mathematics.I tihnk that's what peopel object to...taking the fun out of gaming and replacing it with pure numbers.
I always wonder if people that hate on DPS meters have ever even used them.
If a meter just looked like showed you a number for each person, the complaint is valid.
Meters show you so much more.. Top 3 attacked, CC breakers, Interrupts. Meter haters like to say "Playing properly is about so much more than dps." [b]News Flash[/b] Meters can show you that.
Meters can/do show you player damage taken, some meters even chart and can show you where a player went inactive during a fight. Recount tries to guage activity...your total contribution to the fight but that's very hard to guage.
I dont care one way or the other. I never used a meter in wow personally but the raid leaders did and I always scored either 1 or 2 in dps. usually 2. could never beat that damn warrior.
I knew how to play and wouldnt pull aggro and didnt break CC.
I feel poeple are against them because the elitest prick kiddyn raid leaders look at them as soley how much damage you can pump out.
I recall so many pugs..."LFdps, must have XK dps or more"..or something similar.
I feel, and I'm sure alot of other older gamers do as well, that dps is not the sole measure of how good someone is at playing the game.
LIke you said You "never used meters, but raid leaders did".
That's the point actually. People wanting meters aren't crusading that everyone has to have them turned on (everyone would have an ingame meter but they could close it). They're saying they want the ability to diagnose performance in a raid.
Take Saurfang for instance--
(For anyone who never played Wrath/WoW, here's the gist:
Adds come out at a predictable rate. The game, and addons like DBM warn of it. Ranged are assigned adds pre-fight and must pull threat on the adds and kite them while killing them. The adds hit really hard and 2-5 of them hitting the tank, with the boss, will kill the tank. On HM, there's no question. HM will also near oneshot ranged kiters.
--If you're wiping to saurfang, you need to be able to look at Recount and see what everyone's top 3 attacked was, this shows you if a ranged is staying on the boss, or if tanks/melee aren't watching their cleaves/aoes when the adds come out. Without recount, there's no way to be certain, of whose at fault and thus your only other option is to keep running into a wall or wildly point fingers.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
The second more mind boggling thing is female clothing. This has turning into a full out war. The gripe of female showing too much skin with their armor.
I have to be honest and say I never notice this since I don't pay too much attendation to the armor that my character is wearing.
In fact I don't believe anyone does, but that is just my opinion.
I seriously doubt:
A: You've NEVER played any MMO and spent a certain amount of time cultivating a certain look, but rather just hit "Random" every single time and was happy with the looks, or didn't care and...
B. Seriously believe that "anyone doesn't" either, given the amount of clamoring for customization in just about every MMO that launches.
This part made me wonder if your post was for real or just starting a buzz post.
Okay, so first of all a game company listening to their customers, the playerbase, would generally be considered a good thing by most people.. and all the changes you have listed here are good for the game. There might be people asking for DPS meters, but there are equal amounts of people demanding that they never implement such a thing. So far Trion has been favoring the people against DPS meters (and yes I am one). Eventually I would expect to see some type of addons just because that is what is expected of AAA nowadays, but hopefully Trion will put some limits on what addons can do. Also the stab at Christianity was uncalled for.
EDIT: A dungeon finder that I would actually like would be one where you could put up a "listing" saying that you are "looking for a group" and specify which dungeons you want and the role you intend to play, then someone putting a group together could go through and pick the people they want to add, and groups could do "group looking for more" so that individuals could add themselves to a group they like. Also, if you choose not to communicate with anyone you ever group with, and choose to group with people only for one specific time and never plan to group with them again, then that is your own choice.
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You are just as naive if you don't think they will implement something like that in the future. The only reason some games don't have those features is because they don't the capability.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
The OP lists concerns that apply to previous experience as well as to their own likes/dislikes in their playstyle as well as others' (that number and percentage cannot be verified). In some ways, they are valid concerns (the dual sides on servers thing being one) but as opposed to other publishers past histories - so far this company has proven to move forward according to the needs and wants of its future playerbase.
Don't get me wrong, I have been conditioned to be cynical about mmo publishers in general but so far, I have seen little in the way of this one that sends me running away. In this case, I will be subscribing and play it by ear from there.
I am by far a Rift fanboy...To me Rift is a well polished game with no originality , Im sure its been said before! The game feels like WoW and WAR had a baby and named it Rift.
To me its not such bad thing but not a great one either. I happened to enjoy WoW and WAR! So i will probably play Rift for a few months anyway , but have i found a new MMORPG home? At this point i dont thinkk so but hey noly time will tell.
Anyway getting to the posters OP.......Your complaining about the fact Trion is willing to listen to feed back from there players?
I hate to break it to you but thats not a bad thing! Maybe there looking to please large variety of players . From casual to hardcore , and everything between. If they do add a dungeon finder , it doesnt mean you have to use it. Its about having the choice.
About the female clothing ......... As a mother of 2 children i can see why there could be a complaint. Personally i havemt noticed the outfits being that reveiling , but i only got to level 14. I dont wanna see my 11 yr old son get excited over a female game character. thats just weird , but like i said i havent seen anything worth QQ'ing over.
Also i see nothing wrong with being able to choose sides with diffrent toons on the same server. to me its its kind of annoying having to switch servers just to play on the opposite faction.
But hey what can i say? Everybody has right to there own opinion.
So let the haters hate! Let the whiners whine! and Let the PLAYERS play!
While I don't really like this trend of using mmorpg.com forums as a giant blog to post how you feel about the game instead of creating/using different threads to discuss distinct topics, I'm impressed by the number of replies it generated...
{Mod edit}
Btw, just because a popular game has a feature or a feature is popular, doesn't mean that I'm going to like it. I find the implementation of the achievement system so far lacking (not in Rift yet, haven't explored it as much).
As for the cross server auto LFG tool, it was an elaborate way for Blizzard to turn their game from an open world into a intanced chat room with the cities serving as major player hubs. Sort of like what the new MMO Titan will be. And people really hated DDO for what it was, oh well. I wonder if the people playing nowadays have any people in their friends list. It was like in the old games with diablo 2 multiplayer, who cared who the other people in the game were, really.
no addons implemented at the moment in betas...and thay have NOT confirmed to do so when launch.
neither the LFG tool.
Besides that,,,a great game!
Unless he's in the "alpha" in which case he just broke NDA quickj get him banned!
1. The server types seperate the carebears from the pvp addicts. Trion has said this game is ment to be played on a pvp server.
2. This doesn't matter. They aren't going to change female clothing. Ever. Too expensive.
3. Dual side pvp servers are an interesting spin. Wait and see how it goes before busting a nut. Its different. Try it out.
4. They never said they'd add a dungeon finder. But they did say everything will be localized to the server. No cross server minigame bullshit.
5. DPS meters don't matter. Everyone knows this.
TRUST TRION.
You have to give them a fucking chance to do things before you judge about them listening to the player base.
They are a company that follows the old phrase if its not fun it'll be removed.
Bitch about stupid people 6 months after release. Your point of view will be more noted.
Ugh, Rift has a DUNGEON FINDER? I was hoping that moronic idea wouldn't spread beyond WoW. This is probably the worst idea for MMOs since instancing started getting abused. I refuse to touch any game with it. Thank GOD I didn't waste any money or attention on this game.
Any game with a dnugeon finder CANNOT call itself an MMORPG. Just rename yourself to whatever genre Diablo is.
No, Rift does not have a LFG tool unfortunately. Nothing wrong with such a tool in my opinion as long as:
Is not automated and
Is not cross server
The PvP warfronts (battlegrounds) however are cross server automated, which implies that Trion can do the same with the PvE instances if they so wish.
That's bad enough. WoW has the worst battlegrounds system out of any game i've ever played. But maybe I'm spoiled because I played DAoC.
When will developers learn that if they want good PvP they need to build up rivalries and allow for flexible gameplay? Which means... NO HARD LOCKED INSTANCES and RANDOMIZED TEAMS AND PLAYERS YOU'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
The true test of the game will be on the contested zones in my opinion. Lets see if they manage to garner enough attention after launch (because beta is not an indication as WAR has demonstrated).
Seriously, I'd like to see the link where a Trion Dev or anyone that represented Trion said the game was meant to be played on a pvp server. Until you produce that I'm calling B.S. I've played to lvl 35 on a PVE server and it provides everything you need and then some to enjoy the game without getting ganked by a pvp player.
I always wonder if people that hate on DPS meters have ever even used them.
If a meter just looked like showed you a number for each person, the complaint is valid.
Meters show you so much more.. Top 3 attacked, CC breakers, Interrupts. Meter haters like to say "Playing properly is about so much more than dps." [b]News Flash[/b] Meters can show you that.
Meters can/do show you player damage taken, some meters even chart and can show you where a player went inactive during a fight. Recount tries to guage activity...your total contribution to the fight but that's very hard to guage.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
There is nothing wrong with DPS meters themselves,they ar eonyl a tool,it's how the tool is used that people hate...they make tihngs less aobut palying a social game and more about mathematics.I tihnk that's what peopel object to...taking the fun out of gaming and replacing it with pure numbers.
I dont care one way or the other. I never used a meter in wow personally but the raid leaders did and I always scored either 1 or 2 in dps. usually 2. could never beat that damn warrior.
I knew how to play and wouldnt pull aggro and didnt break CC.
I feel poeple are against them because the elitest prick kiddyn raid leaders look at them as soley how much damage you can pump out.
I recall so many pugs..."LFdps, must have XK dps or more"..or something similar.
I feel, and I'm sure alot of other older gamers do as well, that dps is not the sole measure of how good someone is at playing the game.
yet to the kids, its the only measure.
LIke you said You "never used meters, but raid leaders did".
That's the point actually. People wanting meters aren't crusading that everyone has to have them turned on (everyone would have an ingame meter but they could close it). They're saying they want the ability to diagnose performance in a raid.
Take Saurfang for instance--
(For anyone who never played Wrath/WoW, here's the gist:
Adds come out at a predictable rate. The game, and addons like DBM warn of it. Ranged are assigned adds pre-fight and must pull threat on the adds and kite them while killing them. The adds hit really hard and 2-5 of them hitting the tank, with the boss, will kill the tank. On HM, there's no question. HM will also near oneshot ranged kiters.
--If you're wiping to saurfang, you need to be able to look at Recount and see what everyone's top 3 attacked was, this shows you if a ranged is staying on the boss, or if tanks/melee aren't watching their cleaves/aoes when the adds come out. Without recount, there's no way to be certain, of whose at fault and thus your only other option is to keep running into a wall or wildly point fingers.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I seriously doubt:
A: You've NEVER played any MMO and spent a certain amount of time cultivating a certain look, but rather just hit "Random" every single time and was happy with the looks, or didn't care and...
B. Seriously believe that "anyone doesn't" either, given the amount of clamoring for customization in just about every MMO that launches.
This part made me wonder if your post was for real or just starting a buzz post.
"TO MICHAEL!"
lol wow what a read. From DAOC to christians.. HAHA man come back from la la land
The answer is simple. RIFT is not for you so dont play.
Okay, so first of all a game company listening to their customers, the playerbase, would generally be considered a good thing by most people.. and all the changes you have listed here are good for the game. There might be people asking for DPS meters, but there are equal amounts of people demanding that they never implement such a thing. So far Trion has been favoring the people against DPS meters (and yes I am one). Eventually I would expect to see some type of addons just because that is what is expected of AAA nowadays, but hopefully Trion will put some limits on what addons can do. Also the stab at Christianity was uncalled for.
EDIT: A dungeon finder that I would actually like would be one where you could put up a "listing" saying that you are "looking for a group" and specify which dungeons you want and the role you intend to play, then someone putting a group together could go through and pick the people they want to add, and groups could do "group looking for more" so that individuals could add themselves to a group they like. Also, if you choose not to communicate with anyone you ever group with, and choose to group with people only for one specific time and never plan to group with them again, then that is your own choice.
Played in all 6 betas and will be there for #7 tomorrow. Can't wait for headstart. The game is going to be a big success.
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I think someone is attempting to justify their position...