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Can someone please make me a sig. I would like it to have something to do with an eagle(the bird) Somewhere near the eagle can you put the words "Global Defense Initiative". Could you also have the line "If you can't buff up, don't step up!". Thanks!
Private Message me about it!
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Prove it
Well if I ever see love anywhere else, I'll let you know. Until then we can conclude that love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals.
Prove that it exists in the minds of humans
OK. You ready for this......? Here goes. Pay attention now.......
1. Humans talk of experiencing an emotion they call "love".
2. Love has only ever been expressed as an emotion.
3. Love has never been experienced other than as an emotion.
4. Therefore, love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals that feel emotions.
Are there any lengths you won't go to to steer the conversation away from the fact that you have no proof that god exists and that you're living a lie?
Sorry but your conclusion does not follow from your premesis.
2. is untrue, some people refer to sex a physical expression of love. It also has nothing to do with your argument, and you give no supporting evidence for the claim.
3. is another unfounded assumption on your part, again with no supporting evidence.
Nice try, care to give it another shot?
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My church and many others don't require members to donate their time or money. The certainly don't threaten you with eternal damnation.
Yes, the IRS is devil.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Once again, let me explain. Reread the following sentences over and over until you understand them:
Until you can provide an iota of evidence that there is a god, we can conclude that there is not a god.
You can't provide an iota of evidence that there is a god, so we can conclude that there is not a god.
Prove it
Well if I ever see love anywhere else, I'll let you know. Until then we can conclude that love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals.
Prove that it exists in the minds of humans
OK. You ready for this......? Here goes. Pay attention now.......
1. Humans talk of experiencing an emotion they call "love".
2. Love has only ever been expressed as an emotion.
3. Love has never been experienced other than as an emotion.
4. Therefore, love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals that feel emotions.
Are there any lengths you won't go to to steer the conversation away from the fact that you have no proof that god exists and that you're living a lie?
Sorry but your conclusion does not follow from your premesis.
2. is untrue, some people refer to sex a physical expression of love. It also has nothing to do with your argument, and you give no supporting evidence for the claim.
3. is another unfounded assumption on your part, again with no supporting evidence.
Nice try, care to give it another shot?
So let's say that anything you just said has any merit whatsoever, aside from exemplifying your evasive and truculent nature.
How does this go towards proving the existence of a god?
Once again, let me explain. Reread the following sentences over and over until you understand them:
Until you can provide an iota of evidence that there is a god, we can conclude that there is not a god.
You can't provide an iota of evidence that there is a god, so we can conclude that there is not a god.
What sort of evidence will you accept short of God Himself coming down and standing in front of you?
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Any evidence, really.
Let's hear it.
From my personal experiance with churchs within and outside the US, it is required to donate to the church of 'our lord and savior'. And on more than one occasion I was told I would goto hell if I didnt donate to the church.
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I've yet to go to a church that has such requirements. I'm not disbelieving you, just providing proof that your generalized statement is false. I'd be happy to privately provide you with a few churchs that won't require tithing.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Have I done that?
Most definitely not. Absolute truth exists and absolute morality also exists.
You kind of fell into a trap on this one. First, if you have not done so, read Socrates' teachings and beliefs on morality. That point aside, here is mine.
Morality, whether relative or absolute, can be a double edged sword. It can work both against, and both for you. We will start with moral relativism. If one believes in this aspect of morality, one cannot believe in a religion. Why? Because you would then admittedly state that if one person lives in say India and they are Hinduist, they have multiple wives, and cows are considered sacred animals, then they are correct in their moral and spiritual beliefs.
But, if you state that you beleive in absolute morality and you believe in God, then you are also contradicting your core beliefs. Believing in absolute morality is basically giving away your free thought on what is good and what is bad. It is left up to God to then determine what is moral and what is not. Suppose that God said it was appropriate to sacrifice a baby, cook him, then eat him. That would then be considered right in absolute morality, but to almost everyone else a heinous and despicable crime.
Therefore, in order to accept a religion and a higher being, one must give up their true and free will and free thought. You cannot have both. The bible does state that slavery and servitude are ok, as well as incest and many other things. Do you find those acts heinous or despicable? If so, you cannot truely and cannot totally devote your life to god as you claim.
Any evidence, really.
Let's hear it.
A book which says that God is going to incarnate Himself and do over 250 specific things (including EXACTLY when he would be born), a book written hundreds of years before the fact is not enough. The odds of one man fulfilling just sixteen of these are 1 in 10^45
A book saying that God will disperse the people of Israel throughout the globe, have them keep their culture, and then give them their land back, and never allow that land to be taken again is not enough.
The prediction of the destruction of Tyre (in grweat detail, Exekiel 26), Babylon, etc etc is not enough
A book which predicts with accuracy the coming of the four great kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, a time span of over 1,000 years, with details about how they would rule and fall is not enough.
It speaks of the Earth being round, the fact that man is made of the basic elements of the earth, how the earth hangs on nothing in space
None of these things are enough for you, again I ask, what is it you are looking for?
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Ok, have you not been following the Irseali/Palestinian controversy? Isreal may give some of the land back to Palestine. This would then disprove that.
Without freewill there is no sin. Granted that concept is part of an important debate in the Christian faith and some disagree with me.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Any evidence, really.
Let's hear it.
A book which says that God is going to incarnate Himself and do over 250 specific things (including EXACTLY when he would be born), a book written hundreds of years before the fact is not enough. The odds of one man fulfilling just sixteen of these are 1 in 10^45
A book saying that God will disperse the people of Israel throughout the globe, have them keep their culture, and then give them their land back, and never allow that land to be taken again is not enough.
The prediction of the destruction of Tyre (in grweat detail, Exekiel 26), Babylon, etc etc is not enough
A book which predicts with accuracy the coming of the four great kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, a time span of over 1,000 years, with details about how they would rule and fall is not enough.
It speaks of the Earth being round, the fact that man is made of the basic elements of the earth, how the earth hangs on nothing in space
None of these things are enough for you, again I ask, what is it you are looking for?
Everything in the bible is open to interpretation, moreso because of the fact that whatever bible you currently read is the result of a long series of interpretations.
People may well be able to make it look like the bible foretold certain events by twisting certain passages in the book to suit their agenda, but this goes nowhere near constituting concrete evidence that there's a god, and when the "prophecies" pertain to ancient history themselves, it would be a leap of faith in itself to conclude that the events happened exactly as described by the apologists.
So that's right. This is not anywhere near enough.
Firemagic, you are my hero
Ok, here is my opinion. There is no real proof that God exists. Nothing! The fact is, God (if he is real) requires you to have a blind faith for Him. The bible lays out the "truth" for everyone in the world to hear, it is up to each of us to decide if we want to believe this "truth." We can debate until the end of time, but it doesnt matter, it is our own personal opinion that matters.
Where in the bible does it state that incest is ok?
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Where in the bible does it state that incest is ok?
Right at the very start.
According to the bible, Adam mated with Eve. The only two people on planet Earth, right?
They "begat" two sons, Cain and Able.
Then, in Genesis 4:17: "Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch".
Since the only people on the planet were Adam and Eve and their sons Cain and Abel..... Cain must have married and had sex with his Mom, Eve.
Ewwww.....
Where in the bible does it state that incest is ok?
Several places I can point out right away:
And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
Genesis 20:11-12
Genesis 19:32-36 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
Isaac and Jacob married kinsmen (Genesis 22:20ff; 24:4; 24:43)
Gen. 1:28 God says to Adam "Go forth and populate the earth".
While these are not directly stating "incest is ok", it does show that it is ok.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever actually read the entire Bible?
Some things are not open to interpretation. We have established via scientific methods that our Bible today is nearly identical to the Tenakh and NT read hundreds and thousands of years ago.
Read Daniel Chapter 8 wherein it describes how the great empires of the world would rise and fall.
Many of these prophecies fullfillment can be verified by secular historical sources if one is willing to do the research.
The fact is that you do not want to believe in God for whatever reason (many psychologists have suggested that atheism is a result of a poor relationship with one's father), and until you do, you will not see.
But again, rest assured that you will face Him on judgement day. The question is, when that day comes, will you be filled with joy and happinedd, or fear and loathing?
Peace to you, and I hope that you do come to know Jesus as youe Messiah
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You consider the bible god inspired. You consider the fact that the bible has predicted events factual evidence that god exists. Nostrodomus' predictions have by far outmatched those of the bible, does this mean he is god? By the state of things in the United States, I can predict that within the next 50 years the United States will fall as a great power or "empire". If I write this in a book, and that book is found thousands of years later, will I be viewed as a divine prophet?
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But again, rest assured that you will face Him on judgement day. The question is, when that day comes, will you be filled with joy and happinedd, or fear and loathing?
Peace to you, and I hope that you do come to know Jesus as youe Messiah
Vodalus, have you visited Armageddon? I have. It was a small town that laid in a valley in the middle east. In fact when invading armies traveled, they atleast twice (once leaving once returning) traveled through Armageddon. Ive also been to hell, which is a grassy valley in Israel. The reason this spot is 'hell' is because it used to be a dump site for waste, and the way they removed waste in ancient times was to burn it. If you can imagine the site and smell of this, it was something awful. But this site is the inspiration for the christian view of 'hell'.
Every generation believes it is the end, there can be no further advancement in human evolution. And that the end will happen in there life time, every generation.
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Yes, as a matter of fact. I studied the bible as a child, hence my staunch atheism now. In my experience people who haven't read the whole bible are more likely to be Christians than vice versa.
Unmitigated drivel, although even if you were reading the original bible, the prophecies you refer to are only apparent when put through interpretation.
OK, again for arguments sake, let us pretend the bible contains explicit details of how the world's empires would rise and fall. How would it logically follow that there's an invisible god living in the sky? Of course, this is a rhetorical question, because the bible states no such thing, and as I've said it's all down to individual interpretation.
It's not that I don't want to believe in god. It's that I do want to live in actual reality, and your god has no relationship whatsoever with the universe we live in, or the planet we live on. He exists only in the minds of people who wish he existed.
Woo! Scary! *shiver*
Sorry, but the fear tactics used to capture and control your feeble mind don't work on me.
Do you mean Jesus, my Mexican gardener, or Jesus who works over at Burger King?