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What evidence do you have to back up your postulation? Or are we supposed to just take you on your word?
I always love when religious folk use these statements to support the existence of god. Your statements will ultimately work against you. If nothing cannot cause something and nothing cannot cause itself, then that proves against the existence of god as he cannot cause himself to come into existence. Number 5, "there has to be an uncaused cause", directly contradicts number 1 and 2. I beleive these are Anslem's proofs for existence (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't taken philosophy in a while).
Untrue. God did not cause himself, He is infinite meaning He has always existed, there as never been a time where God did not exist.
What is your cosmological belief? That nothing caused something?
There is nothing called infinity. Its the basics of science. There has to be a beginning for everything. Something can not have been there FOREVER. Its just not possible, at all. The only thing that is infinite is time, but time was started at one point. The universe was created by something, somewhere, somehow by something greater that we do not know of.
I'm not the one making the extraordinary claims. Make up your mind already. Does the burden lie on those with the ordinary claims or extraordinary claims?
The inability to make up your mind doesn't help your crusade...
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
The Ica stones. They show men hunting living dinosaurs. If dinosaurs ceased to exist millions of yeasrs before man, how did these people have any idea of their existence and what they looked like?
Oh, the Ica stones also show people flying on the back of pterodactyls, using telescopes, piloting flying machines, performing open-heart surgery, cesarean section births, and brain transplants.* Those folks in the Bible times were really advanced to be flying around on airplanes. I wonder if God told the pterodactyl to let man ride it. Give it up man...the Ica stones are a fake which is why they weren't accepted as evidence when they were discovered.
Nice try!
Now refute my claim about the fossile record like I've done to each of your claims so far. If you can't, then please conceed the argument and admit to everyone you simply WANT to believe these things. Seriously, you are on a losing side of an argument here.
*http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-09/strange-world.html
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noah had more than one boat, the animals that couldnt fit on the main boat built lots of little ones and followed the main boat.
Chapter 6 verse 7
...and the animals that could not fit on Noah's boat gathered together and built little boats that one by one they followed Noah's boat on, so sayeth the Noah.
See ^
LMAO. I love it when the only things that are "god inspired" support the christian agenda. How do you know those footnotes weren't inspired by god? How do you know the bible is? Maybe god wanted to make some corrections so inspired the editors to write them. However, in all reality, the footnotes were translation corrections, not changes to the original text.
its true.
Yeah I'm really beginning to picture elephants, wolves, and aligators gathering together and building a boat... whoopee
Humans are the only animals with the ability to do such a thing... so.. nope..
I always love when religious folk use these statements to support the existence of god. Your statements will ultimately work against you. If nothing cannot cause something and nothing cannot cause itself, then that proves against the existence of god as he cannot cause himself to come into existence. Number 5, "there has to be an uncaused cause", directly contradicts number 1 and 2. I beleive these are Anslem's proofs for existence (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't taken philosophy in a while).
Untrue. God did not cause himself, He is infinite meaning He has always existed, there as never been a time where God did not exist.
What is your cosmological belief? That nothing caused something?
Sorry, but that is just a belief. It is just the christian's version of the big bang theory.
LMAO. I love it when the only things that are "god inspired" support the christian agenda. How do you know those footnotes weren't inspired by god? How do you know the bible is? Maybe god wanted to make some corrections so inspired the editors to write them. However, in all reality, the footnotes were translation corrections, not changes to the original text.
I know, I even posted links to back up my claims. All we know about his position is he has some bible that tells him exactly what he believes, therefore it is the True Word of God (tm). What a bunch of nonsense.
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The lengths you'll go to in order to avoid taking responsibility for your beliefs are quite astonishing. You're obviously not very proud of your beliefs if you refuse to defend them.
When someone claims that something nobody can see exists, it's sensible to conclude that it's an extraordinary claim.
Here are some examples of extraordinary claims:
"There is an invisible cat in the yard"
"There is an invisible man who created the universe"
"There is an invisible fridge in the basement"
They would all require proof before they were to be taken seriously, and so they are extraordinary.
Lets see how you next choose to avoid the fact that you have no proof whatsoever that the thing you've built your belief system around exists.
Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible
where?
Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27
Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus
Job 40
Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus
Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.
Wow...so you believe that humans and dinos existed together...despite scientific evidence to the contrary??
Also, why do you believe "behemoth" to be a dinosaur (you even narrow it down to a brachiosaurus) and not...say...a hippo. Where is your evidence for this?
I mean, even YOUR bible footnotes that its possible a hippo or an elephant:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=31;
In fact, the NLT version just leaves the term behemoth out and substiutes the word hippo:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=51;
Nice try
My Bible does no such thing, those footnotes, unlike the Bible are not the inspired word of God. The NLT is a heretical translation, for far better reasons than that.
Can you give me scientific proof that humans and dinosaus did not live together?
The Ica stones discovered in Peru proove that they did indeed live together
I hope you're just trying to make people mad with your non-sense because otherwise you sound pretty unintelligent.
-Let's all be ignorant!
-Let's all be ignorant!
LMAO. I love it when the only things that are "god inspired" support the christian agenda. How do you know those footnotes weren't inspired by god? How do you know the bible is? Maybe god wanted to make some corrections so inspired the editors to write them. However, in all reality, the footnotes were translation corrections, not changes to the original text.
Cheers
-Let's all be ignorant!
I think David_Wolfpa was joking guys
I love how Baagism replies to every sarcastic post with an attack on the American Government.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
I think David_Wolfpa was joking guys
I truly hope so since believing in Noah... or God in general is like believing one man created EVERYTHING and always existed... oh wait..
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
OK First of all Instead of just saying everything that comes out of your mouth think it through..
Secondly Your position would be much more believable if you HAD a position and didn't just reject others ideas by calling it stupid..
Thirdly In the Theory of Evolution... Where did that first Cell come from? Where in the universe did that one spec of organic material come from that divided and became life. Think about that... Evolution always starts at that single cell.. but where did that single cell come from? There is no version of Carbon or any compount in the periodic table that is organic or has life. But then how did a bunch of compounds come together to make cells?
Forthly The Comment about Electron Microscopes is because FireMagic Attempted to disprove my point by telling me that scientists have used an electron microscope to see electrons... But he apparently did not know that That is still imposible Due to the limits of Reality (How can you use a physical instrument made to view the smallest building blocks of matter, when there is nothing smaller than that building block to actually provide a representation of such) and Also the limits of Physics, Quatum Mechanics, and any other high-order math.
PS: I bet you dont understant what i said about the limits of reality, So here it is elemetary style.
If I am blind and I have a pool table. If I hit the cue ball into a ball I will know there is a ball THERE in that space. But i will have no other information about that ball. Like where it is now or what is the color of the ball, or color of the stripe. All i will know is that my cue ball was deflected... and that is it.
And Please dont comment on my posts any more unless you have something that doesn't include How "INSANE" I am for telling you the truth about science. If you dont believe me.. take a break and think about it.
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
The pride you take in your unabashed determined ignorance deserves an award.
I asked you what you'd do next to avoid taking responsibility for your belief system, and you showed me by completely avoiding answering my question again.
Lets say for argument's sake that it's not at all extraordinary when somebody claims that something nobody has ever seen exists. Let's say it's a perfectly normal thing for people to say.
It still requires evidence or we can safely conclude that it does not exist.
I ask you again, do you have any evidence to back up your beliefs, or are they based solely on blind faith?
Pick an option:
1. I have strong evidence for the existence of a god, and here it is: <-----------FILL IN THE BLANK---------->
2. I have no evidence. I just hope it's true because it helps me through my day.
1 or 2. Which is it? See if you can do it. Take your time.
I never said I had proof. You did though. So where is it?
Or is your idea, the lack of proof is proof? In that case. I just proved you didn't exist.
P.S.
I'm curious. Are you saying a long while back, atoms were non-existant?
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
So do you call that truth that their IS a scientific explanation? Or are you believing That there is a scientific explanation for everything? Basically you are saying that you Believe there is a reason for such, even though the scientists who taught you dont even have one yet?
If it's so Easy so assert that there must be an answer for everything.
Am I not also justified in believing that the answer will come from God?
Remember Science is NOT truth. Science is an attempt to explain, or understand what naturally happens in the world. A Scientific theory should never be fully true, because it is only true until it is proven false.
--> Ofcourse that doesn't prove that there IS a God though....
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
I don't need to provide proof. I'm not the one making the claim that there's an invisible god.
Shall we go around in circles like this all day or you are you going to have the conviction to actually defend your beliefs?