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  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?

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  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by firemagic
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    LOL, I used to know this guy who thought the world was 3000 years old.

    When I asked him how fossils ended up underground, he said with a straight face "God put them there to test our faith".

    These people have all their bases covered!


    I will pray for you firemagic, I hope that you come to know the Messiah before you face him on judgement day. I am through trying to convince you as you are obviously unwilling to discuss this honestly.

    ::::22::


    OK, but bear in mind that when you "pray" for me, you are in actuality talking to yourself. This is widely regarded as the first sign of madness.

    And thanks for the laughable words of doomfilled prophecy. Good luck with the whole "living forever after you die" thing. ::::28::

  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Leviticus 21:11 "And lo, there were dinosaurs and stuff."

  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048



    Originally posted by firemagic


    When extraordinary claims are made, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim there's an invisible man who created the universe, so it's up to you show some evidence.

    You've effectively admitted you have no evidence, otherwise you would have quickly presented it to bolster your claim, so we can positively conclude that your god does not exist.

    Goodnight.



     




    Originally posted by Aldaron

    You're the one making the extraordinary claims.
    By definition...The majority of people believe in a higher being, making it an ordinary...regular thing. You say there isn't, thus making your claims extraordinary.
    You can't prove God doesn't exist. Otherwise you would of quickly presented it to prove your point. So thus far, by using your logic, we can conclude God does exist and you're wrong.
    Thank you for this sctinillating conversation.




     

    Sir, the burden is on you, and you still have proved nothing but that your an egomaniac who has a bitter hate towards religion, and the ignorance to think that just because you hate something, and say that it's false, means it's a fallacy.

    If you're so enlightened, educated, and done extensive research. Then prove your point, and show us these absolute proofs; otherwise, stop the psycho-babble nonsense & drivel.

    "Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."

  • MarundMarund Member Posts: 33

     

    Yeah... the Big Bang IS possible.. Its either the ice age.. the big bang or a combination of the two..

    THERE IS NO GOD. Just wanted to let you all know.

    There is alot in space thats not explainable by scientists yet.. like how stars implode. But sorry to burst your bubble. God is made up by one man, or a group of people. Stop being brainwashed by this. As another psoter said, people believe in gods because theyre afraid of reality. The reality is, there is NO PURPOSE OF LIFE WHATSOEVER. Yes, its true, yes it sux if you think about it. But the thing is... DONT think about it, and your life will be better. As an atheist I feel so free.. You can too.

  • VodalusVodalus Member Posts: 103


    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.

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  • MarundMarund Member Posts: 33



    Originally posted by Aldaron



    Originally posted by firemagic


    When extraordinary claims are made, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim there's an invisible man who created the universe, so it's up to you show some evidence.

    You've effectively admitted you have no evidence, otherwise you would have quickly presented it to bolster your claim, so we can positively conclude that your god does not exist.

    Goodnight.



     




    Originally posted by Aldaron

    You're the one making the extraordinary claims.
    By definition...The majority of people believe in a higher being, making it an ordinary...regular thing. You say there isn't, thus making your claims extraordinary.
    You can't prove God doesn't exist. Otherwise you would of quickly presented it to prove your point. So thus far, by using your logic, we can conclude God does exist and you're wrong.
    Thank you for this sctinillating conversation.




     

    Sir, the burden is on you, and you still have proved nothing but that your an egomaniac who has a bitter hate towards religion, and the ignorance to think that just because you hate something, and say that it's false, means it's a fallacy.

    If you're so enlightened, educated, and done extensive research. Then prove your point, and show us these absolute proofs; otherwise, stop the psycho-babble nonsense & drivel.


    If people keep thinking this way... we wont evolve. You want proof that god doesnt exist? Seriously, listen to this: There is a man, which has lived for all eternity, staying in 'heaven'. For some reason he manages to answer millions of prayers each day, and STILL manage to take care of every other single planet, considering this is millions of planets, if not billions, WOW this guy is amazing isnt he. He takes care of not only more than 500 million prayers at earth.. but maybe billions and billions of other creatures on other planets that might be more intelligent than us.

    And explain this:

    If Adam and Eve were the first people on earth... And according to the bible, it's a sin to make love to your own relatives. Then... how did we originate. Adam and Eve had kids... but then what? Since it is a 'sin to make love to relatives' how did the population continue to grow? Did other family just drop from heaven.. and then another one.. and another one? If not... then were all relatives.. and we all commited sins.. Think about that.

    Realists are the people that can FACE reality. And I am one of them. I know I will die, and I know that after I die, I'm gone, forever. We are made out of sub-atomic particles.. not spirits flying into heaven.

    Its a fact that realism will always rule religion.. because realism IS REAL.

  • DregaDrega Member Posts: 225



    Originally posted by Vodalus


     

    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.



    actually Behemoth is assumed to tbe a Hippopotamus and Leviathan is thought to be a whale.

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  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360


    Originally posted by Marund


    Yeah... the Big Bang IS possible.. Its either the ice age.. the big bang or a combination of the two..
    THERE IS NO GOD. Just wanted to let you all know.
    There is alot in space thats not explainable by scientists yet.. like how stars implode. But sorry to burst your bubble. God is made up by one man, or a group of people. Stop being brainwashed by this. As another psoter said, people believe in gods because theyre afraid of reality. The reality is, there is NO PURPOSE OF LIFE WHATSOEVER. Yes, its true, yes it sux if you think about it. But the thing is... DONT think about it, and your life will be better. As an atheist I feel so free.. You can too.


    Faith doesn't equate to fear, nor is living a life of responsibilty equate to imprisonment or unhappiness. These are shallow and immature views of religion. Living a life of faith isn't easy some times, but it's very rewarding.

    Lol, I hope you find some point to your life.

    Ico
    Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.

  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.



    Wow...so you believe that humans and dinos existed together...despite scientific evidence to the contrary?? ::::06::

    Also, why do you believe "behemoth" to be a dinosaur (you even narrow it down to a brachiosaurus) and not...say...a hippo. Where is your evidence for this?

    I mean, even YOUR bible footnotes that its possible a hippo or an elephant:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=31;

    In fact, the NLT version just leaves the term behemoth out and substiutes the word hippo:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=51;


    Nice try ::::36::

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  • VodalusVodalus Member Posts: 103


    Originally posted by Drega
    Originally posted by Vodalus

    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27
    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus
    Job 40
    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus
    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.

    actually Behemoth is assumed to tbe a Hippopotamus and Leviathan is thought to be a whale.


    That doesnt make sense. Behemoth has a tail like a cedar.

    Leviathan has teeth, scales and breathes fire.

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  • BaagismBaagism Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by freethinker




    Originally posted by Vodalus



    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?



    yeah...where?

     

    -Let's all be ignorant!

  • VodalusVodalus Member Posts: 103


    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.



    Wow...so you believe that humans and dinos existed together...despite scientific evidence to the contrary?? ::::06::

    Also, why do you believe "behemoth" to be a dinosaur (you even narrow it down to a brachiosaurus) and not...say...a hippo. Where is your evidence for this?

    I mean, even YOUR bible footnotes that its possible a hippo or an elephant:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=31;

    In fact, the NLT version just leaves the term behemoth out and substiutes the word hippo:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=51;


    Nice try ::::36::



    My Bible does no such thing, those footnotes, unlike the Bible are not the inspired word of God. The NLT is a heretical translation, for far better reasons than that.

    Can you give me scientific proof that humans and dinosaus did not live together?

    The Ica stones discovered in Peru proove that they did indeed live together

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  • DregaDrega Member Posts: 225

    Definition of Behemoth ; any animal or thing that is huge or very powerful.

    Job 40:15-24;

    15. Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
    16. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
    17. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
    18. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
    19. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
    20. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
    21. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
    22. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
    23. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
    24. He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

    edit: This describes anything from a hippo to elephant or any critter larger than a human that eats vegitation.

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  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.



    Wow...so you believe that humans and dinos existed together...despite scientific evidence to the contrary?? ::::06::

    Also, why do you believe "behemoth" to be a dinosaur (you even narrow it down to a brachiosaurus) and not...say...a hippo. Where is your evidence for this?

    I mean, even YOUR bible footnotes that its possible a hippo or an elephant:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=31;

    In fact, the NLT version just leaves the term behemoth out and substiutes the word hippo:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job 40:15;&version=51;


    Nice try ::::36::



    My Bible does no such thing, those footnotes, unlike the Bible are not the inspired word of God. The NLT is a heretical translation, for far better reasons than that.

    Can you give me scientific proof that humans and dinosaus did not live together?



    Well, considering there is a 64 million year gap in the fossil record when there are neither dinosaur nor human fossils, I'd say that pretty much sums up your ridiculous assertion that man and dinos lived together. ::::01::

    There's my evidence...now let's here YOURS.
    And "Because my Bible says so" dosn't cut it.

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  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048



    Originally posted by Marund

    If people keep thinking this way... we wont evolve. You want proof that god doesnt exist? Seriously, listen to this: There is a man, which has lived for all eternity, staying in 'heaven'. For some reason he manages to answer millions of prayers each day, and STILL manage to take care of every other single planet, considering this is millions of planets, if not billions, WOW this guy is amazing isnt he. He takes care of not only more than 500 million prayers at earth.. but maybe billions and billions of other creatures on other planets that might be more intelligent than us.

    And explain this:

    If Adam and Eve were the first people on earth... And according to the bible, it's a sin to make love to your own relatives. Then... how did we originate. Adam and Eve had kids... but then what? Since it is a 'sin to make love to relatives' how did the population continue to grow? Did other family just drop from heaven.. and then another one.. and another one? If not... then were all relatives.. and we all commited sins.. Think about that.

    Except Adam and Eve weren't the first people on earth. In fact, if you look at the words, which say, Genesis 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Genesis 1:27   So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Also if you know the book of Genesis, it also spoke about how Cain would be marked, and man would hunt him, etc. etc. He then later built a city...

    So that means one of a couple things. There were other people on the planet. Or they did mate with kin, and the reason they did it was because it was before the old law. I'm going with the former though.

     

    Realists are the people that can FACE reality. And I am one of them. I know I will die, and I know that after I die, I'm gone, forever. We are made out of sub-atomic particles.. not spirits flying into heaven.

    Its a fact that realism will always rule religion.. because realism IS REAL.



    "Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    1. Nothing cannot cause something.
    2. Nothing can cause itself, for it would first have to exist in order to create itself.
    3. Anything with a beginning had to have a beginner.
    a. according to the laws of thermodynamics, the universe began
    4. We cannot have an infinite series of causes.
    a. We would never have arrived at “now”
    b. No infinite number of actual things is possible, for there can always be one more
    5. There had to be an uncaused cause, the first cause, uncreated existence.

    I always love when religious folk use these statements to support the existence of god. Your statements will ultimately work against you. If nothing cannot cause something and nothing cannot cause itself, then that proves against the existence of god as he cannot cause himself to come into existence. Number 5, "there has to be an uncaused cause", directly contradicts number 1 and 2. I beleive these are Anslem's proofs for existence (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't taken philosophy in a while).

  • MarundMarund Member Posts: 33



    Originally posted by IcoGames




    Originally posted by Marund


    Yeah... the Big Bang IS possible.. Its either the ice age.. the big bang or a combination of the two..
    THERE IS NO GOD. Just wanted to let you all know.
    There is alot in space thats not explainable by scientists yet.. like how stars implode. But sorry to burst your bubble. God is made up by one man, or a group of people. Stop being brainwashed by this. As another psoter said, people believe in gods because theyre afraid of reality. The reality is, there is NO PURPOSE OF LIFE WHATSOEVER. Yes, its true, yes it sux if you think about it. But the thing is... DONT think about it, and your life will be better. As an atheist I feel so free.. You can too.



    Faith doesn't equate to fear, nor is living a life of responsibilty equate to imprisonment or unhappiness. These are shallow and immature views of religion. Living a life of faith isn't easy some times, but it's very rewarding.

    Lol, I hope you find some point to your life.


    And how is it rewarding? I dont see any reward.

    Point in my life? There is no point to life. But the point to MY life is to have fun. Or else, whats the point living if life is a burden?

  • VodalusVodalus Member Posts: 103


    There's my evidence...now let's here YOURS.
    And "Because my Bible says so" dosn't cut it.

    The Ica stones. They show men hunting living dinosaurs. If dinosaurs ceased to exist millions of yeasrs before man, how did these people have any idea of their existence and what they looked like?

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  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by Aldaron
    Originally posted by firemagic When extraordinary claims are made, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim there's an invisible man who created the universe, so it's up to you show some evidence.
    You've effectively admitted you have no evidence, otherwise you would have quickly presented it to bolster your claim, so we can positively conclude that your god does not exist.
    Goodnight.


     


    Originally posted by Aldaron
    You're the one making the extraordinary claims.
    By definition...The majority of people believe in a higher being, making it an ordinary...regular thing. You say there isn't, thus making your claims extraordinary.
    You can't prove God doesn't exist. Otherwise you would of quickly presented it to prove your point. So thus far, by using your logic, we can conclude God does exist and you're wrong.
    Thank you for this sctinillating conversation.


     
    Sir, the burden is on you, and you still have proved nothing but that your an egomaniac who has a bitter hate towards religion, and the ignorance to think that just because you hate something, and say that it's false, means it's a fallacy.
    If you're so enlightened, educated, and done extensive research. Then prove your point, and show us these absolute proofs; otherwise, stop the psycho-babble nonsense & drivel.


    Wrong. You are the person claiming that something nobody has ever seen exists. Evade it, avoid it, do everything you can to get away from it, but the fact is that it's up to you to present evidence for the existence of a god.

    If I said that cows occasionally turn pink and float 10 feet above the ground and that I'd seen it happen, you would quite rightly expect me to give you some evidence. If I said "well you can't prove it doesn't happen" it would not make sense to conclude that it does happen.

    It is up to you to give solid evidence of the existence of a god, and until then it's safe to conclude that there isn't one.

  • VodalusVodalus Member Posts: 103


    Originally posted by dekron
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    1. Nothing cannot cause something.
    2. Nothing can cause itself, for it would first have to exist in order to create itself.
    3. Anything with a beginning had to have a beginner.
    a. according to the laws of thermodynamics, the universe began
    4. We cannot have an infinite series of causes.
    a. We would never have arrived at “now”
    b. No infinite number of actual things is possible, for there can always be one more
    5. There had to be an uncaused cause, the first cause, uncreated existence.

    I always love when religious folk use these statements to support the existence of god. Your statements will ultimately work against you. If nothing cannot cause something and nothing cannot cause itself, then that proves against the existence of god as he cannot cause himself to come into existence. Number 5, "there has to be an uncaused cause", directly contradicts number 1 and 2. I beleive these are Anslem's proofs for existence (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't taken philosophy in a while).


    Untrue. God did not cause himself, He is infinite meaning He has always existed, there as never been a time where God did not exist.

    What is your cosmological belief? That nothing caused something?

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  • MarundMarund Member Posts: 33



    Originally posted by dekron




    Originally posted by Vodalus


    1. Nothing cannot cause something.
    2. Nothing can cause itself, for it would first have to exist in order to create itself.
    3. Anything with a beginning had to have a beginner.
    a. according to the laws of thermodynamics, the universe began
    4. We cannot have an infinite series of causes.
    a. We would never have arrived at “now”
    b. No infinite number of actual things is possible, for there can always be one more
    5. There had to be an uncaused cause, the first cause, uncreated existence.


    I always love when religious folk use these statements to support the existence of god. Your statements will ultimately work against you. If nothing cannot cause something and nothing cannot cause itself, then that proves against the existence of god as he cannot cause himself to come into existence. Number 5, "there has to be an uncaused cause", directly contradicts number 1 and 2. I beleive these are Anslem's proofs for existence (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't taken philosophy in a while).



    Hah yeah.. Maybe god is asexual and can reproduce himself.. I dunno..
  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    No they are not. The "behemoths" mentioned in the bible are elephants (it even states in the translation), not dinosaurs.

  • MarundMarund Member Posts: 33

    And its also proven that humans originate from monkeys/gorillas. - Which also disproves the whole religious idea of how man originated. Revolution is proven (to some extent), god isnt (to ANY extent).

    Although, I have to admit I kind of believe in ghosts, although I know they dont exist, but I still fear the possibility. I wish I could get over this phobia.. its making me mad.

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359


    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by freethinker
    Originally posted by Vodalus
    Originally posted by Baagism
    Totally! The bible forgot to mention dinosaurs and tons of other historical events. Because it was written by a bunch of power mongers trying to control people through fear.

    Actually dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible


    where?


    Job 41, Psalm 104 and Isaiah 27

    Leviathan, thought to be kronosaurus

    Job 40

    Behemoth thought to be brachiosaurus

    Now I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not name every animal in existence by name (as there are tens of millions of discovered species and scientists estimate that there are tens of millions undicovered), but it does mention two dinosaurs.


    You just made an interesting point to discount an important story in "biblical history". There are millions of species of animals in this world, but yet, somehow, Noah managed to fit 2 of every kind in his little wooden boat. Also, see my post related to the beheamoth.

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