No ammount of press in this case will be better than hundreds or even thousands of players who try the game themself and then proceed to tell their buddies, families, or post on blog/forum about their feelings regarding the game. That is the cheapest and most honest form of hyping ANet can have.
Now really ask yourself: why would ANet bother with E3 really?
I would've made same decision as them in this regard.
from now till release I am going to track every TOR fan with a higher IQ and make note of what they say about GW2. Then after the game launches we shall see if they are right, if they are I will post a fraps videos showing that. But if they are wrong, I am going to bombard you with videos from launch till GW2 servers stop showing, you how superior your IQ really is. So bring it on super intelligent TOR fans I want to see if I can make you all put me on ignore with a constant stream of GW2 videos. I will put my video making skills against your supposed high IQ any day of the week!
Oh dear ... You sure are taking rabid fandom to the next level, Slaphappy. Somehow I think those lines would sound hilarious when John Cleese would shout them out loud.
Originally posted by Kaledus Oh geeze.. When I saw the way SWTOR was being played at E3 by the developers, It became a total turn-off. Although I would say I was expecting that to happen eventually. There is really no innovation when you are standing toe to toe with your enemy and blasting them with your pistol in the face while they pretty much automatically return fire in the same manner for god knows how long.. It reminds me too much of Anarchy Online, which is pretty old now. xD
Oh man, I wish so hard that SWTOR's combat was what GW2's combat is.
Oh geeze.. When I saw the way SWTOR was being played at E3 by the developers, It became a total turn-off. Although I would say I was expecting that to happen eventually. There is really no innovation when you are standing toe to toe with your enemy and blasting them with your pistol in the face while they pretty much automatically return fire in the same manner for god knows how long.. It reminds me too much of Anarchy Online, which is pretty old now. xD
Oh man, I wish so hard that SWTOR's combat was what GW2's combat is.
I wished SWTOR's combat was like Battlefront II, with better survivability for Jedi and Sith.
from now till release I am going to track every TOR fan with a higher IQ and make note of what they say about GW2. Then after the game launches we shall see if they are right, if they are I will post a fraps videos showing that. But if they are wrong, I am going to bombard you with videos from launch till GW2 servers stop showing, you how superior your IQ really is. So bring it on super intelligent TOR fans I want to see if I can make you all put me on ignore with a constant stream of GW2 videos. I will put my video making skills against your supposed high IQ any day of the week!
Oh dear ... You sure are taking rabid fandom to the next level, Slaphappy. Somehow I think those lines would sound hilarious when John Cleese would shout them out loud.
OMG!! NERD FIGHT!!!!!!!
"Its all about tha SWTOR mutha f****a!!!" pew pew pew
"Nah dawg its all about tha G to tha W to tha 2", sound of engineer turrent firing
So A-net decided rather than waste a bunch of money and time pandering to a bunch of game news monkeys (sorry guys at MMORPG) they would rather just stay home and work on their freakin game. Good for them.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
from now till release I am going to track every TOR fan with a higher IQ and make note of what they say about GW2. Then after the game launches we shall see if they are right, if they are I will post a fraps videos showing that. But if they are wrong, I am going to bombard you with videos from launch till GW2 servers stop showing, you how superior your IQ really is. So bring it on super intelligent TOR fans I want to see if I can make you all put me on ignore with a constant stream of GW2 videos. I will put my video making skills against your supposed high IQ any day of the week!
Oh dear ... You sure are taking rabid fandom to the next level, Slaphappy. Somehow I think those lines would sound hilarious when John Cleese would shout them out loud.
OMG!! NERD FIGHT!!!!!!!
"Its all about tha SWTOR mutha f****a!!!" pew pew pew
"Nah dawg its all about tha G to tha W to tha 2", sound of engineer turrent firing
So A-net decided rather than waste a bunch of money and time pandering to a bunch of game news monkeys (sorry guys at MMORPG) they would rather just stay home and work on their freakin game. Good for them.
Thank you for nuking the flame wars back to the junkyard.
from now till release I am going to track every TOR fan with a higher IQ and make note of what they say about GW2. Then after the game launches we shall see if they are right, if they are I will post a fraps videos showing that. But if they are wrong, I am going to bombard you with videos from launch till GW2 servers stop showing, you how superior your IQ really is. So bring it on super intelligent TOR fans I want to see if I can make you all put me on ignore with a constant stream of GW2 videos. I will put my video making skills against your supposed high IQ any day of the week!
Oh dear ... You sure are taking rabid fandom to the next level, Slaphappy. Somehow I think those lines would sound hilarious when John Cleese would shout them out loud.
OMG!! NERD FIGHT!!!!!!!
"Its all about tha SWTOR mutha f****a!!!" pew pew pew
"Nah dawg its all about tha G to tha W to tha 2", sound of engineer turrent firing
So A-net decided rather than waste a bunch of money and time pandering to a bunch of game news monkeys (sorry guys at MMORPG) they would rather just stay home and work on their freakin game. Good for them.
Somewhere at the start of the thread is information on how NCSoft once got harrassed with db meters by nasty Sega employees back in 2006 and eventually got fined for having a band which was too loud in their booth. And thus they vowed never to return. The thread should have ended right there I reckon.
I support Anet in their decision not to attend E3. E3 is for BIG developers in my mind, and is a tradeshow. E3 is for developers like EA, and companies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft. A small developer that realy dosent have to much to show like Anet would only waste money being at E3.
My son. The day you were born the very staff of Blizzard whispered the name, profit.
I support Anet in their decision not to attend E3. E3 is for BIG developers in my mind, and is a tradeshow. E3 is for developers like EA, and companies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft. A small developer that realy dosent have to much to show like Anet would only waste money being at E3.
Well considering the lukewarm impact that the stuff Bioware showed made (lovers of the game still love it, haters still hate it, those in between seem to be being poliarized more twards the" aw crap nothing to see here side"), I think Anet made the smart choice.
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I support Anet in their decision not to attend E3. E3 is for BIG developers in my mind, and is a tradeshow. E3 is for developers like EA, and companies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft. A small developer that realy dosent have to much to show like Anet would only waste money being at E3.
Exactly
Too much behemoths screaming for attention on a single place, Arena Net would receive little to no attention with so many others showing much more to a bigger audience (non mmo's)
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I actually discussed this on Tuesday night with Regina Buenaobra (Community Manager of ANet) and she (rightly) said that the reason for not going to E3 is that they only want to show off to the fans and as a majority of E3 is NOT ans, but trade, why go?
I always just assumed it was a convergence of various reasons, both stated and unstated.
E3 is expensive to go to.
Every convention Arenanet goes to, takes a whole lot of their people away from actually working on the game.
NCSoft hates E3.
Their stated reason that they want to go to conventions that are fan oriented, not press oriented.
I'm sure if E3 was completely free to go to, and they didn't have anything better to do with their lead programmers and designers (Hey guys, you not doing anything this week? Not working on a game or anything? Okay, cool), then even with NCSoft's stance and the whole fan/press thing, they'd still go.
Heck, they'd probably go to every third rate convention and garage computer show as well, if it was all free and they had nothing better to do.
It's just a question of limited resources (Both money and time), and deciding how they want to spend it. They already have a pretty rough convention schedule, considering how many of their main people they send to each one.
or... they have nothing new to show. They've lost key members of the staff and are floundering behind the scenes.
Actually no. They are going to be at Comic-con, have a presence at Gamescon, have a huge showing at PAX Prime and also be at Paris Games Week. They just decided that they would rather not go to E3.
Think you will find that GamesCom has a huge showing rather than just a presence. ArenaNet love their european players hence the first ever showing of GW2 to the public was at GamesCom 2009 because they wanted to reward their biggest player base which was in Europe.
But yes, ArenaNet have never really been into E3 as much as other dev teams,they want the public to play there game at these conventions.
It's nothing out of the ordinary for them not to be there.
Pax is perfect for them as a convention. It's basically getting to be as influential as E3, but there's literally no travel involved (Other than 'take a bus ride'), and it's considerably, considerably cheaper to get into.
Also, it's not as heavily dominated by the big companies (The consoles, EA, Activision), so their floor space isn't smooshed into some little corner and overwhelmed.
Because GW2 is already as hyped as it can get and ANET should focus on completing their games, not going to places like this.
Making a new demo takes a long time and travelling to E3 or similar events takes a lot as well. I will not wait another 6 months just because people want to play a demo at every gamecon there is.
Releasing a vid from someone alpha testing the game is fast and will tell us a lot as well.
E3 is great if you want to increase the hype like TOR wants but why spending valuable resources on it as long as you are ahead?
"Its all about tha SWTOR mutha f****a!!!" pew pew pew
"Nah dawg its all about tha G to tha W to tha 2", sound of engineer turrent firing
So A-net decided rather than waste a bunch of money and time pandering to a bunch of game news monkeys (sorry guys at MMORPG) they would rather just stay home and work on their freakin game. Good for them.
Thank you for nuking the flame wars back to the junkyard.
Why does it have to be a flame war, nowhere did I mention any names I just mentioned TOR fans! I am just sick of people bad mouthing games because they are a fan of another game. If you notice there are TOR fans in almost every thread now saying how GW2 is exactly like WAR and Rift and it offers nothing new. You will also notice them bad mouthing GW2 fans saying that they are foolish that the game is going to be nothing like they think it will be. So apparently all the fans that have done their own research into the game are wrong, and these wonderful TOR fans that know all, know better than the rest of us. My question is if you are so happy with your game why do you bad mouth other games to make your choice of game better than the rest?
If you want to you can go back through ever post I have ever made about GW2, nowhere in any of them do I say that GW2 is going to be the best thing that ever happen to gaming. In fact I openly admit that what ANET is trying could backfire and the game could fail horrible. But I also look at the potential of the game and I see that it could be a great game for me! I just do not choose to see only the negative I want to see so I can bad mouth a game. Let’s take TOR as an example; I know the game will not be for me because as a Star Wars fan their design does not agree with me. I have said why in threads where people ask, but I do not go to TOR threads and bad mouth TOR because other people like it and see potential in it.
Now with all that said I am sick of people thinking that they can call me stupid or foolish because I like GW2 more than the game they like. As far as I am concerned if that is all they have to say then stop posting in the GW2 forum it is pretty simple! But if they want to continue calling me stupid and foolish with all the other GW2 fans, then from now on I will mark their post and when the game launches we will see if they are right. Fraps will come in handy here, so the great TOR minds can see how right or wrong they are. I will just get the enjoyment of sending them video after video if they are wrong, just to let them know how much I love the fact they think they are smarter than I am.
In fact you can see it in this thread people using E3 as a means to bad mouth a game they are not a super fan of! Why can’t people just stop bad mouthing other games to make their game superior to another? Do people really get satisfaction of saying my game is better than yours, do we really have the maturity level of 3 years old here?
Thanks Tardcore for adding humor to this giant waste of space that we are calling a discussion! At least someone can provide humor in between all the biased my game is better than your game post, see my game was at E3 and yours was not! ……OH god.
I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV.
E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV.
E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
E3 may be your favorite game show in your part of the world but don't speak for all gamers please. GamesCom slaps E3 all over the show for Europeans.
We can attend and play/test games to are hearts content,can you do that at E3...NOPE.
I think it's actually more about respect, at least the way ArenaNet has always explained it to us it is. See, E3 is purely a press/media thing, now, and nothing more. It's for shiny, special super-important gaming journalists (most of whom couldn't write to save their life anyway and have no journalistic integrity to speak of, so why they deserve to be called journalists is beyond me). It's basically about putting on ad campaigns and handing out free stuff to press people. It's a lot of money, it comes off as buying favours, and really, it's not for everyday people.
ArenaNet has just expressed that they have no desire in getting involved with that, they'd rather sidestep the whole journalism slant and put the game in front of the people who actually play games (and probably can write worth a damn despite not being journalists). That'd be you and I. It's not restricted to press people who have to be part of an organisation to get a first hand sneak peek at things, no, instead if you buy a ticket then you've just as much chance of seeing and playing the game as any other person, press or not. And I don't know about you but I prefer that.
E3 tends to be nothing but loud trailers and money anyway. Even when it wasn't what it is now, it was about booth babes for crying out loud. The E3 has never been something that I've thought highly of or looked forward to, and often when it rolls around it just results in oh, gee, more computer-generated trailers with no gameplay footage to speak of. And this E3 hasn't been any different to any other E3 since the dawn of E3s. Bioware was there, and they showed off TOR, sure, but was it gameplay they showed? Was it anything related to their game at all?
Noap, Bioware had a bunch of new computer-generated trailers designed to get the press talking about their game.
You know, that approach makes me think that they have something to hide, it's decidedly sleazy. ArenaNet is turning up at conventions where we can meet these people and actually play their game in demo form, we can see it for all its beauty and even its flaws (which they have time to work on fixin thanks to doing this), they're honest and up front with us, and they give us actual first-hand access instead of just yet more bloody computer-generated trailers.
One thing was said on a gaming news site I visit recently that I agree with. Bioware should just stop making TOR and get their trailer-making people to do a new series of Star Wars films instead. Why? The only sizeable amount of gameplay footage they've released was so heavily slanted toward monotonous, repetitive WoW-like grinding that it actually managed to put some people to sleep when watching it, but opposed to that their computer-generated trailers have actually been mildly entertaining. And those trailers have actually had some pretty decent quality voice-acting (unlike the game itself)! It just seems like Bioware are pouring most of their game's money into advertising rather than bettering their game.
However, ArenaNet don't feel that they need to sleaze and shmuck like that to promote their game. They don't need big budget minimovies, they just show us their game, they let us play their game, and they let us talk to them about their game. Compared with the Bioware approach infinite trailers, which would you prefer?
ArenaNet skips E3 for the same reason that Bioware doesn't. And it's a very good reason, too.
ArenaNet actually has a game worth showing off.
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I don't disagree with your assesment of E3, as it is a waste of space and really has nothing of value to offer players they're not already going to get.
I also don't think it's bad A-net doesn't attend, as it shows confidence in their product and ability. There's no better way to sell a product than being able to sell it on yourself and your teams ability.
The problem I have with your post is that you seem to discredit anyone else who does attend E3. Which says to me your post is more an attempt to endorse A-net, at the expense of everyone else. Than it is to denounce E3 in and of itself. You spent 90% percent of this post tearing into Bioware, the practices companies use at E3 as well as the use of cinematic trailers.
You're also saying that what you saw from TOR is bland, without explaining or acknowledging why it is bland. One plus-side to TOR's demo was the use of questions during it. One of them was why is there nothing going on, why are mobs so spread out as well as POI's? A question they seemed to be expecting in reference to Tat. The answer was a simple but effective one, they tried adding mobs all over, feedback told them it no longer felt like tattooine. They changed it to how it is today.
A-net isn't the only company who doesn't sell products by deception. There' s nothing Bioware has held back or left people wondering about thus far. Almost all major questions have been answered, not everyone likes those answers, but at least people know what they're getting.
In short why feel the need to tear down another product (especially with so many holes in your theory) just to sell your own? Sell it on it's own merit's it looks far less deceptive.
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I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV.
E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
E3 may be your favorite game show in your part of the world but don't speak for all gamers please. GamesCom slaps E3 all over the show for Europeans.
We can attend and play/test games to are hearts content,can you do that at E3...NOPE.
Since the 'part of the world' that takes E3 seriously (Japan/US) are where the makers of the consoles / most games are, yeah it is a big deal in the gaming world.
Heck, Nintendo just announced their new console at E3 and not TGS!
I think most people understand that GW2 isn't good enough right now to be shown to the public so not sure why everyone is so defensive about it.
Lots of games wasn't shown, like FF13-Versus or Tekken vs SF etc. They all need more development time as showing a pre-alpha game is probably not going to go down that well.
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I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV.
E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
E3 may be your favorite game show in your part of the world but don't speak for all gamers please. GamesCom slaps E3 all over the show for Europeans.
We can attend and play/test games to are hearts content,can you do that at E3...NOPE.
Since the 'part of the world' that takes E3 seriously (Japan/US) are where the makers of the consoles / most games are, yeah it is a big deal in the gaming world.
Heck, Nintendo just announced their new console at E3 and not TGS!
I think most people understand that GW2 isn't good enough right now to be shown to the public so not sure why everyone is so defensive about it.
Lots of games wasn't shown, like FF13-Versus or Tekken vs SF etc. They all need more development time as showing a pre-alpha game is probably not going to go down that well.
Literally one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on these forums. If it isn't good enough to be shown to the public then why was it playable at PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week from last year and CES and PAX East of this year? It is also going to be shown Comic-con, PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week this year too. Maybe you should think before you type out a comment.
Since the 'part of the world' that takes E3 seriously (Japan/US) are where the makers of the consoles / most games are, yeah it is a big deal in the gaming world.
Heck, Nintendo just announced their new console at E3 and not TGS!
I think most people understand that GW2 isn't good enough right now to be shown to the public so not sure why everyone is so defensive about it.
Lots of games wasn't shown, like FF13-Versus or Tekken vs SF etc. They all need more development time as showing a pre-alpha game is probably not going to go down that well.
Literally one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on these forums. If it isn't good enough to be shown to the public then why was it playable at PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week from last year and CES and PAX East of this year? It is also going to be shown Comic-con, PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week this year too. Maybe you should think before you type out a comment.
The 'good enough' in this context isn't quality of the product, it is 'actual development' of said product.
Also, it is different between showing a game to the CNN/MSNBC of the world and 'gamers'.
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Originally posted by ArcheAge Originally posted by superdfc I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV. E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
E3 may be your favorite game show in your part of the world but don't speak for all gamers please. GamesCom slaps E3 all over the show for Europeans. Not only that, but ANet are already confirmed for Gamescon this year and as usual they will be pulling out all the stops to show off GW2 and I would put money on Gamescon getting the exclusive last profession reveal aswell
I think most people understand that GW2 isn't good enough right now to be shown to the public so not sure why everyone is so defensive about it.
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Dare I ask, just what public will see something shown exclusively at E3 that they would not have seen elsewhere? I don't recall ever seeing an E3 commercial come through my television.
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It's good they ignore E3 anyways.
No ammount of press in this case will be better than hundreds or even thousands of players who try the game themself and then proceed to tell their buddies, families, or post on blog/forum about their feelings regarding the game. That is the cheapest and most honest form of hyping ANet can have.
Now really ask yourself: why would ANet bother with E3 really?
I would've made same decision as them in this regard.
Oh dear ... You sure are taking rabid fandom to the next level, Slaphappy. Somehow I think those lines would sound hilarious when John Cleese would shout them out loud.
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Oh man, I wish so hard that SWTOR's combat was what GW2's combat is.
I wished SWTOR's combat was like Battlefront II, with better survivability for Jedi and Sith.
OMG!! NERD FIGHT!!!!!!!
"Its all about tha SWTOR mutha f****a!!!" pew pew pew
"Nah dawg its all about tha G to tha W to tha 2", sound of engineer turrent firing
So A-net decided rather than waste a bunch of money and time pandering to a bunch of game news monkeys (sorry guys at MMORPG) they would rather just stay home and work on their freakin game. Good for them.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Thank you for nuking the flame wars back to the junkyard.
Somewhere at the start of the thread is information on how NCSoft once got harrassed with db meters by nasty Sega employees back in 2006 and eventually got fined for having a band which was too loud in their booth. And thus they vowed never to return. The thread should have ended right there I reckon.
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I support Anet in their decision not to attend E3. E3 is for BIG developers in my mind, and is a tradeshow. E3 is for developers like EA, and companies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft. A small developer that realy dosent have to much to show like Anet would only waste money being at E3.
My son. The day you were born the very staff of Blizzard whispered the name, profit.
Well considering the lukewarm impact that the stuff Bioware showed made (lovers of the game still love it, haters still hate it, those in between seem to be being poliarized more twards the" aw crap nothing to see here side"), I think Anet made the smart choice.
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Exactly
Too much behemoths screaming for attention on a single place, Arena Net would receive little to no attention with so many others showing much more to a bigger audience (non mmo's)
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I actually discussed this on Tuesday night with Regina Buenaobra (Community Manager of ANet) and she (rightly) said that the reason for not going to E3 is that they only want to show off to the fans and as a majority of E3 is NOT ans, but trade, why go?
I always just assumed it was a convergence of various reasons, both stated and unstated.
E3 is expensive to go to.
Every convention Arenanet goes to, takes a whole lot of their people away from actually working on the game.
NCSoft hates E3.
Their stated reason that they want to go to conventions that are fan oriented, not press oriented.
I'm sure if E3 was completely free to go to, and they didn't have anything better to do with their lead programmers and designers (Hey guys, you not doing anything this week? Not working on a game or anything? Okay, cool), then even with NCSoft's stance and the whole fan/press thing, they'd still go.
Heck, they'd probably go to every third rate convention and garage computer show as well, if it was all free and they had nothing better to do.
It's just a question of limited resources (Both money and time), and deciding how they want to spend it. They already have a pretty rough convention schedule, considering how many of their main people they send to each one.
Think you will find that GamesCom has a huge showing rather than just a presence. ArenaNet love their european players hence the first ever showing of GW2 to the public was at GamesCom 2009 because they wanted to reward their biggest player base which was in Europe.
But yes, ArenaNet have never really been into E3 as much as other dev teams,they want the public to play there game at these conventions.
It's nothing out of the ordinary for them not to be there.
ArenaNet take GamesCom very seriously.
Pax will be big because it's their home turf..
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Pax is perfect for them as a convention. It's basically getting to be as influential as E3, but there's literally no travel involved (Other than 'take a bus ride'), and it's considerably, considerably cheaper to get into.
Also, it's not as heavily dominated by the big companies (The consoles, EA, Activision), so their floor space isn't smooshed into some little corner and overwhelmed.
Good.
Because GW2 is already as hyped as it can get and ANET should focus on completing their games, not going to places like this.
Making a new demo takes a long time and travelling to E3 or similar events takes a lot as well. I will not wait another 6 months just because people want to play a demo at every gamecon there is.
Releasing a vid from someone alpha testing the game is fast and will tell us a lot as well.
E3 is great if you want to increase the hype like TOR wants but why spending valuable resources on it as long as you are ahead?
Why does it have to be a flame war, nowhere did I mention any names I just mentioned TOR fans! I am just sick of people bad mouthing games because they are a fan of another game. If you notice there are TOR fans in almost every thread now saying how GW2 is exactly like WAR and Rift and it offers nothing new. You will also notice them bad mouthing GW2 fans saying that they are foolish that the game is going to be nothing like they think it will be. So apparently all the fans that have done their own research into the game are wrong, and these wonderful TOR fans that know all, know better than the rest of us. My question is if you are so happy with your game why do you bad mouth other games to make your choice of game better than the rest?
If you want to you can go back through ever post I have ever made about GW2, nowhere in any of them do I say that GW2 is going to be the best thing that ever happen to gaming. In fact I openly admit that what ANET is trying could backfire and the game could fail horrible. But I also look at the potential of the game and I see that it could be a great game for me! I just do not choose to see only the negative I want to see so I can bad mouth a game. Let’s take TOR as an example; I know the game will not be for me because as a Star Wars fan their design does not agree with me. I have said why in threads where people ask, but I do not go to TOR threads and bad mouth TOR because other people like it and see potential in it.
Now with all that said I am sick of people thinking that they can call me stupid or foolish because I like GW2 more than the game they like. As far as I am concerned if that is all they have to say then stop posting in the GW2 forum it is pretty simple! But if they want to continue calling me stupid and foolish with all the other GW2 fans, then from now on I will mark their post and when the game launches we will see if they are right. Fraps will come in handy here, so the great TOR minds can see how right or wrong they are. I will just get the enjoyment of sending them video after video if they are wrong, just to let them know how much I love the fact they think they are smarter than I am.
In fact you can see it in this thread people using E3 as a means to bad mouth a game they are not a super fan of! Why can’t people just stop bad mouthing other games to make their game superior to another? Do people really get satisfaction of saying my game is better than yours, do we really have the maturity level of 3 years old here?
Thanks Tardcore for adding humor to this giant waste of space that we are calling a discussion! At least someone can provide humor in between all the biased my game is better than your game post, see my game was at E3 and yours was not! ……OH god.
Hooray for A-net!
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I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
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I'm pretty cheesed off about this, too. E3 is well known and if ArenaNet would attend they're game would reach more gamers out there. None of my friends know what GW2 is, until I fill them in on the details, but they all god damn it know what E3 is and some of 'em even watch it on TV.
E3 is the most popular gaming event gamers look forward to, and ArenaNet blows it. God damn it.
E3 may be your favorite game show in your part of the world but don't speak for all gamers please. GamesCom slaps E3 all over the show for Europeans.
We can attend and play/test games to are hearts content,can you do that at E3...NOPE.
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I don't disagree with your assesment of E3, as it is a waste of space and really has nothing of value to offer players they're not already going to get.
I also don't think it's bad A-net doesn't attend, as it shows confidence in their product and ability. There's no better way to sell a product than being able to sell it on yourself and your teams ability.
The problem I have with your post is that you seem to discredit anyone else who does attend E3. Which says to me your post is more an attempt to endorse A-net, at the expense of everyone else. Than it is to denounce E3 in and of itself. You spent 90% percent of this post tearing into Bioware, the practices companies use at E3 as well as the use of cinematic trailers.
You're also saying that what you saw from TOR is bland, without explaining or acknowledging why it is bland. One plus-side to TOR's demo was the use of questions during it. One of them was why is there nothing going on, why are mobs so spread out as well as POI's? A question they seemed to be expecting in reference to Tat. The answer was a simple but effective one, they tried adding mobs all over, feedback told them it no longer felt like tattooine. They changed it to how it is today.
A-net isn't the only company who doesn't sell products by deception. There' s nothing Bioware has held back or left people wondering about thus far. Almost all major questions have been answered, not everyone likes those answers, but at least people know what they're getting.
In short why feel the need to tear down another product (especially with so many holes in your theory) just to sell your own? Sell it on it's own merit's it looks far less deceptive.
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Since the 'part of the world' that takes E3 seriously (Japan/US) are where the makers of the consoles / most games are, yeah it is a big deal in the gaming world.
Heck, Nintendo just announced their new console at E3 and not TGS!
I think most people understand that GW2 isn't good enough right now to be shown to the public so not sure why everyone is so defensive about it.
Lots of games wasn't shown, like FF13-Versus or Tekken vs SF etc. They all need more development time as showing a pre-alpha game is probably not going to go down that well.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Literally one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on these forums. If it isn't good enough to be shown to the public then why was it playable at PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week from last year and CES and PAX East of this year? It is also going to be shown Comic-con, PAX Prime, Gamescon and Paris Games Week this year too. Maybe you should think before you type out a comment.
The 'good enough' in this context isn't quality of the product, it is 'actual development' of said product.
Also, it is different between showing a game to the CNN/MSNBC of the world and 'gamers'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Not only that, but ANet are already confirmed for Gamescon this year and as usual they will be pulling out all the stops to show off GW2 and I would put money on Gamescon getting the exclusive last profession reveal aswell
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Dare I ask, just what public will see something shown exclusively at E3 that they would not have seen elsewhere? I don't recall ever seeing an E3 commercial come through my television.