for some its about a different frame of thinking. for years, just to be on the internet, you had to have a certain level of technical skills to use it well, let alone to play a game. as the bar has been lowered year after year so has the intelligence level of the average internet user. for a larger percentage of that scene, they really believe poeple that dont have that level of intelligence and technical skill have no business being here and letting the floodgates open has basically destroyed the dialog of the internet. although i feel guilty about it a litle, i tend to agree. i really wish about 80% of the people here today, that werent here 15 years ago, would just go away. the majority of everyone on the net now, is basically worthless imo. i realize thats selfish, but nobody is perfect i guess.
Well, basically is an easy target to piss off with the added bennefit for the attacker that the victims will never realise who was originaly responsible for the disruption of the services.
Maybe slow steps to actually gear people to go out on the streets and "have at it" with the authorities..
The Establishment up untill now was realtively safe with the majority of the people not asking many questions and having the tendency to retreat in to their own personal realities, a tendency which now and with the internet has become widespread.
What if the future goals of any establishment is to actually mobilise mobs of pissed off people towards certain goals that the establishment might have in mind?
When the stakes become very high, you ussualy need a mob, as pissed off as it can get, a certain goal and a certain target, or targets you will show to this mob and take their mind away of the real stuff that goes around while you can further enslave them and this time it is being done with their active participation because they believed your lies and thuss you have the mob mentality backing you up in every kind of crazy plan you would think off, no matter how high the stakes might be.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's more like terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Whatever their goals are, for whatever reason, their methods are working.
It's the collective rage over their antics that gives them more reason to continue. The more you label them as 'terrorists' and act like they're a threat or major inconvenience, the more reason they have to continue. If on the other hand you deal with them like with any Internet troll and let it roll off your back, chances are they'll move on to something else.
The reality is they brought a few sites down for a few hours today. It's childish and irritating, but in the end it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience to most people.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
That is no activism. That is purely and simply, FASCISM!
These hackers are flexing because they can pentrate these games, but the gaming companies will up the subscription fees because of the network security that they are forced to beef up.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
That's what they would like people to think. In reality, it's because it's the only thing in life they don't fail at.
You seem to know awfully a lot about people you never met.
maybe.. but the probability of these guys being basement dwellers with a zit problem and a girlfriend deficiency... . is about 99.999 percent... give or take +/- 0.00001 percent.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
if they have caused fear to the level of terror that your personal info is now known to others, that your bank account could be used by others then yes they are, in effect, terrorists. Not to the level of 911, but still terrorists.
I wouldn't say that because what they have managed to do in a relativly short amout of time would lead me to believe they are actually better at this stuff than alot of people who are paid to do it.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
I wouldn't say that because what they have managed to do in a relativly short amout of time would lead me to believe they are actually better at this stuff than alot of people who are paid to do it.
or the security systems they are attacking are really poor - my bet is with that.
I wouldn't say that because what they have managed to do in a relativly short amout of time would lead me to believe they are actually better at this stuff than alot of people who are paid to do it.
or the security systems they are attacking are really poor - my bet is with that.
Considering that they have managed to break into the systems of the companies that are being paid to protect the fedral governments online stuff would lead me to believe it's a little of both.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
if they have caused fear to the level of terror that your personal info is now known to others, that your bank account could be used by others then yes they are, in effect, terrorists. Not to the level of 911, but still terrorists.
If you are suffering from fear so high as it can be considered terror for having your credit card info potentially stolen I would say that the issue lies with you rather than the alleged terrorists.
Terrorists use violent means as to instill terror in others. This is in not close of what these guys are doing, they are not even stealing anything valuable as CC info is usually hashed which gives you plenty of time to cancel your credit card before the hashing algorithm is broken and your info used.
So stop with the hyperboling. This is not terrorism but rather mild Internet criminal activities. The only real victim are the companies who may lose alot of money from this. Still not terrorism though.
I wouldn't say that because what they have managed to do in a relativly short amout of time would lead me to believe they are actually better at this stuff than alot of people who are paid to do it.
or the security systems they are attacking are really poor - my bet is with that.
Considering that they have managed to break into the systems of the companies that are being paid to protect the fedral governments online stuff would lead me to believe it's a little of both.
not really. They say they did well, and the US Government who wants to restrict the use of the internet say they did well but who is to say what they actually got? Misinformation most likely.
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
if they have caused fear to the level of terror that your personal info is now known to others, that your bank account could be used by others then yes they are, in effect, terrorists. Not to the level of 911, but still terrorists.
If you are suffering from fear so high as it can be considered terror for having your credit card info potentially stolen I would say that the issue lies with you rather than the alleged terrorists.
Terrorists use violent means as to instill terror in others. This is in not close of what these guys are doing, they are not even stealing anything valuable as CC info is usually hashed which gives you plenty of time to cancel your credit card before the hashing algorithm is broken and your info used.
So stop with the hyperboling. This is not terrorism but rather mild Internet criminal activities. The only real victim are the companies who may lose alot of money from this. Still not terrorism though.
arguing the semantics of the word terrorist, pointing out thatjust because it is your opinion it is not terror means little. It is up to the individual to decide if they were terorized not a hacker-sympathizer.
Basically, it is the lulzsec twitter feed editorialized to fit an article format, but does a good job of listing the activities today (and almost makes them sound slightly entertaining).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
Great. So if I start posting on my blog about how irresponsible I think these attacks are, and I start getting a lot of traffic, are they going to hack me too? I honestly don't see how these guys can be considered "activists" given the language they use and the way they flaunt their actions. They think they're untouchable and do whatever they want without any consideration for how it may affect the little guy. It's basically terrorism, and it reeks of arrogance and condescension more than anything else.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
if they have caused fear to the level of terror that your personal info is now known to others, that your bank account could be used by others then yes they are, in effect, terrorists. Not to the level of 911, but still terrorists.
If you are suffering from fear so high as it can be considered terror for having your credit card info potentially stolen I would say that the issue lies with you rather than the alleged terrorists.
Terrorists use violent means as to instill terror in others. This is in not close of what these guys are doing, they are not even stealing anything valuable as CC info is usually hashed which gives you plenty of time to cancel your credit card before the hashing algorithm is broken and your info used.
So stop with the hyperboling. This is not terrorism but rather mild Internet criminal activities. The only real victim are the companies who may lose alot of money from this. Still not terrorism though.
I've got to disagree with you. From what I've heard on the news they want to completely destroy Sony. If by a fluke of fate they succeed, how innocent employers will lose their jobs? So it is cyber terrorism, they're putting real lives in the firing line. People like you and me, people who just want to live their lives in peace.
Plus this will just give the governments of the world another excuse to regulate the internet, witch in the long run will be bad for the people of this world. Because we won't get to see the real truth of what's happen out there, we will only see what they want us to see.
Let's call them terrorist, or call them kidz. Semantics?
Are they fighting for something, or just making it for fun?
Labeling them with such a 'explosive' word like terrorist, a word that in alot of people raises alot of feelings. We have yet to seen the meaning of the word devalve. (Or have we?).
Look at a broader perspective. You will occationally find things labeled with an explosive word just to create an opinion for something. The easiest would be to just go out and read the headlines on newspapers.
You can also look into a new law in EU(it seems more and more likely that it will go through), a law that will give us nothing but subscription based internet. Easy compared with cabel tv. People that worked for that law have done it, proven, based on halftruths and misconceptions. (The discovery of this misconception actually slowed down the process.)
Well let us label them terrorists. And by doing that create an opinion for, perhaps, another suggestion that forces us to have identification to be able to use internet. You here will see through that, but will the general public, older generations see through it when it eventully in the newspapers say "Internet under siege by terrorists" when it really was "kids with diapers".
Hyberbole is a good word...
But let's hope I'm just full of BS, that I am wrong.
So that we will not see newspapers with this story and people in the right places making a sping of it. For in the end, those that makes money, will make even more money if internet was not as free as it is today. So we will not see a war against internet terrorism.
I know my parents, even my wife, would buy into it and make their own spin of it.
i hard some bad news earlier that lulzsec are planning to attack swtor when it releases too. something needs to be done to stop them, why cant something be done by the god damn authorities?
They attacked Sony directly because Sony persecuted Geohotz.
Police in Spain arrested 3 suspeced perpetrators of the Sony attack... so Lulsec attacks the Spain federal police site.
They defaced the PBS website after PBS released what they believe to be a biased documentry agaisnt Wikileaks.
I could go no but... the point is that up until recently their targets have been not so random.
The problem with what you're saying is do the end results reach their goal? If anything something like this will have a completely opposite effect. That's why I call BS on any greater good reasoning. This will only tighten the resolve to further degrade internet freedom, there's no way to win such a battle either.
Comparing them to "patriots" has no reasoning, the intenet is not a battlefield the little guy can win on. Tactics of this sort can only be counter-productive to a goal such as greater internet freedom.
If they are as you say activists, they're not using an intelligent method of achieving their goals.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I must admit that, at times, I understand (at least partially) why Anon (or.. Lulzsec, or whatever crap) makes their attacks, and what their sentiment is - as well as what statement they're leaving.
Attacking gaming companies such as CCP Games makes little sense. What's the statement? "For the lulz". Right. There has to be something behind this, for better or worse. (I mean, "for the lulz" might be good for the scriptkiddies, but the people who get it started always have a more meaningful motive)
Inb4 not personal army. *rollseyes*
Edit:
I'm starting to join the conspirators who say Lulzsec are really the people who want more censorship and less personal freedom.
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I'm starting to join the conspirators who say Lulzsec are really the people who want more censorship and less personal freedom.
Let's just not create a monster that we don't want to have. By making them into something they are not. Hopefully in the end of the day they will be punished for what they are not for what people made them out to be.
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Well, basically is an easy target to piss off with the added bennefit for the attacker that the victims will never realise who was originaly responsible for the disruption of the services.
Maybe slow steps to actually gear people to go out on the streets and "have at it" with the authorities..
The Establishment up untill now was realtively safe with the majority of the people not asking many questions and having the tendency to retreat in to their own personal realities, a tendency which now and with the internet has become widespread.
What if the future goals of any establishment is to actually mobilise mobs of pissed off people towards certain goals that the establishment might have in mind?
When the stakes become very high, you ussualy need a mob, as pissed off as it can get, a certain goal and a certain target, or targets you will show to this mob and take their mind away of the real stuff that goes around while you can further enslave them and this time it is being done with their active participation because they believed your lies and thuss you have the mob mentality backing you up in every kind of crazy plan you would think off, no matter how high the stakes might be.
Communism started this way.
wow everyone who cannot play seems to be posting here.... hmmmm
Currently bored with MMO's.
Whatever their goals are, for whatever reason, their methods are working.
It's the collective rage over their antics that gives them more reason to continue. The more you label them as 'terrorists' and act like they're a threat or major inconvenience, the more reason they have to continue. If on the other hand you deal with them like with any Internet troll and let it roll off your back, chances are they'll move on to something else.
The reality is they brought a few sites down for a few hours today. It's childish and irritating, but in the end it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience to most people.
That is no activism. That is purely and simply, FASCISM!
I can see it now...
These hackers are flexing because they can pentrate these games, but the gaming companies will up the subscription fees because of the network security that they are forced to beef up.
You seem to know awfully a lot about people you never met.
Terrorism? Seriously? Are they terrorizing people by taking game servers down?
Dont misuse that word. I know Americans are known for hyberboling and where you before saw a communist around every corner now everyone are terrorists instead.
I mean they are not causing bodily harm and the attack is purely virtual and does not affect life critical systems. At most they are Internet criminals.
My gaming blog
maybe.. but the probability of these guys being basement dwellers with a zit problem and a girlfriend deficiency... . is about 99.999 percent... give or take +/- 0.00001 percent.
if they have caused fear to the level of terror that your personal info is now known to others, that your bank account could be used by others then yes they are, in effect, terrorists. Not to the level of 911, but still terrorists.
Currently bored with MMO's.
I wouldn't say that because what they have managed to do in a relativly short amout of time would lead me to believe they are actually better at this stuff than alot of people who are paid to do it.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
or the security systems they are attacking are really poor - my bet is with that.
Currently bored with MMO's.
Considering that they have managed to break into the systems of the companies that are being paid to protect the fedral governments online stuff would lead me to believe it's a little of both.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
If you are suffering from fear so high as it can be considered terror for having your credit card info potentially stolen I would say that the issue lies with you rather than the alleged terrorists.
Terrorists use violent means as to instill terror in others. This is in not close of what these guys are doing, they are not even stealing anything valuable as CC info is usually hashed which gives you plenty of time to cancel your credit card before the hashing algorithm is broken and your info used.
So stop with the hyperboling. This is not terrorism but rather mild Internet criminal activities. The only real victim are the companies who may lose alot of money from this. Still not terrorism though.
My gaming blog
not really. They say they did well, and the US Government who wants to restrict the use of the internet say they did well but who is to say what they actually got? Misinformation most likely.
Currently bored with MMO's.
arguing the semantics of the word terrorist, pointing out thatjust because it is your opinion it is not terror means little. It is up to the individual to decide if they were terorized not a hacker-sympathizer.
Currently bored with MMO's.
for those keeping score at home...
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/titanic-takeover-tuesday-lulzsecs-busy-day-of-hacking-escapades.ars
Basically, it is the lulzsec twitter feed editorialized to fit an article format, but does a good job of listing the activities today (and almost makes them sound slightly entertaining).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Here we go again.
People need to realize that the players are the ones suffering from this, not the company.
So thanks a bunch, whatever-hacker-group-thought-of-this.
I've got to disagree with you. From what I've heard on the news they want to completely destroy Sony. If by a fluke of fate they succeed, how innocent employers will lose their jobs? So it is cyber terrorism, they're putting real lives in the firing line. People like you and me, people who just want to live their lives in peace.
Plus this will just give the governments of the world another excuse to regulate the internet, witch in the long run will be bad for the people of this world. Because we won't get to see the real truth of what's happen out there, we will only see what they want us to see.
TSW will solve all our answers O.o
An hour or two before this happend i added a 16 day skill to my queu. With abit of luck we also get a sp reimbursement. Overall I'm not bothered.
Let's call them terrorist, or call them kidz. Semantics?
Are they fighting for something, or just making it for fun?
Labeling them with such a 'explosive' word like terrorist, a word that in alot of people raises alot of feelings. We have yet to seen the meaning of the word devalve. (Or have we?).
Look at a broader perspective. You will occationally find things labeled with an explosive word just to create an opinion for something. The easiest would be to just go out and read the headlines on newspapers.
You can also look into a new law in EU(it seems more and more likely that it will go through), a law that will give us nothing but subscription based internet. Easy compared with cabel tv. People that worked for that law have done it, proven, based on halftruths and misconceptions. (The discovery of this misconception actually slowed down the process.)
Well let us label them terrorists. And by doing that create an opinion for, perhaps, another suggestion that forces us to have identification to be able to use internet. You here will see through that, but will the general public, older generations see through it when it eventully in the newspapers say "Internet under siege by terrorists" when it really was "kids with diapers".
Hyberbole is a good word...
But let's hope I'm just full of BS, that I am wrong.
So that we will not see newspapers with this story and people in the right places making a sping of it. For in the end, those that makes money, will make even more money if internet was not as free as it is today. So we will not see a war against internet terrorism.
I know my parents, even my wife, would buy into it and make their own spin of it.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
i hard some bad news earlier that lulzsec are planning to attack swtor when it releases too. something needs to be done to stop them, why cant something be done by the god damn authorities?
its getting out of hand severely
The problem with what you're saying is do the end results reach their goal? If anything something like this will have a completely opposite effect. That's why I call BS on any greater good reasoning. This will only tighten the resolve to further degrade internet freedom, there's no way to win such a battle either.
Comparing them to "patriots" has no reasoning, the intenet is not a battlefield the little guy can win on. Tactics of this sort can only be counter-productive to a goal such as greater internet freedom.
If they are as you say activists, they're not using an intelligent method of achieving their goals.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I must admit that, at times, I understand (at least partially) why Anon (or.. Lulzsec, or whatever crap) makes their attacks, and what their sentiment is - as well as what statement they're leaving.
Attacking gaming companies such as CCP Games makes little sense. What's the statement? "For the lulz". Right. There has to be something behind this, for better or worse. (I mean, "for the lulz" might be good for the scriptkiddies, but the people who get it started always have a more meaningful motive)
Inb4 not personal army. *rollseyes*
Edit:
I'm starting to join the conspirators who say Lulzsec are really the people who want more censorship and less personal freedom.
Follow my tweet (:
Let's just not create a monster that we don't want to have. By making them into something they are not. Hopefully in the end of the day they will be punished for what they are not for what people made them out to be.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"