The relase of the internal document. Deliberate to see the reaction, to see how far they can go.
Now, they said it like it was, an internal document meant for discussion, they said they will only sell vanity items in the NeX... they are not more stupid than that they could have said that early on. This even convinced people that this NeX thing is nothing new really, if you would have had "gold-ammo" as for some people EVE-O is already p2w.
Now they now that, at least at the moment, that nonvanity items is a nono... how will that look in 1½ years, will CCP have been able to stretch the limit in the NeX.
As another topic here, people got butthurt over this internal document, butthurt over elmars email, cried rivers over the overpriced monocle. CCP have already succeded in raising the bar of acceptance for items in the NeX.
I have to agree. CCP are attempting to move from a small 1 game company to a multi-operational development/game company. It's gonna take cash and there's only one place that's gonna come from. The success of other games with their cash-shops has shown them the way. The sheer amount of people willing to pay out for "game-breaking" items will see it gets done. It's inevitable, in my view.
I'm glad to see CCP have been forced to make these statements. Time will tell us all whether they can stick to their word.
Short version: A whole lot of idiots freak out about something that was never going to happen.
Smart version: The community freakout actually caused CCP to back-peddle faster than a guy finding out his girlfriend was actually a man, baby.
Honestly, did they need to fly out four people to Iceland to find out that players wanted assurance there would be no non-vanity items?
Gratz to Eve'rs, and I really mean that. But you guys haven't won, they are just bidding their time. I know you guys weren't just afraid of what was going to happen out of nothing. It was the feeling you got from their actions that caused suspicions right?
Unfortunately, nitwits (cough) that play don't even know what you've done for them, even after seeing the result.
Exactly my thought +1
If the whole community would have acted like sheep in this process then things might have turned out differently.
~Bravo to the rebels~
CCP had always said they wouldn't be adding gold ammo, ships or anything that would alter game play. In the end it came down to a lot of people jumping the gun, because of an internal memo throwing ideas around. So in other words they should have trusted them to do the right thing from the very beginning.
That attitude of the "Greed is Good" newletter as well as CCP's presidet's e-mail "who cares what the players say, pay atrention to what they do," tells me that CCP are looking to monetize the crap out of EVE. It's only player resistence that is preventing them from doing what they like.
You have to be naieve, or a HUGE CCP fanboy not to see this.
The news letter was sent out to throw ideas around, it happens everyday in company’s of all sizes all around the world.
As for the e-mail, in my time I've sent out some weird named e-mails. Examples: “B*** is a &$%”£^,” “The m$&”^*$%” have got polls up their j^$%&$%.” The e-mail could have just been as a joke. Alright admittedly it was in bad taste, but still only a joke.
As for seeing it, of course I saw the same things you did. But I never jumped at the sound of the gun, I took stock, evaluated the situation and took what I thought was the appropriate action.
But the most important thing is CCP was planing on doing the right thing.
So yay on the no pay to win issue --- but, I still think the micro transaction prices are complete and utter BS in the fact that it eliminates a player crafted market for clothing if that was ever going to be considered. And the prices are complete and utter BS. I still feel no ground was gained here. Am I the only one who can't see the gloss over here? And this is not meant to offend anyone who posted before me on this subject. It is entirely my observation.
If CCP are stupid enough to keep those kinds of prices more fool them to be perfectly honest, they are hurting themselves. Just imagine how many monocles they might have sold if they are cost the equivilent of $2-3 each and trousers etc costing $1-2, and imagine they had a large virtual catalogue with loads of stuff to choose from.
I bet CCP would have chalked up $500,000 in sales in the first few days as almost everyone would have bought at least one item and loads of people would have bought a complete outfit. People allways seem willing to drop small amounts of money into item shops but the stupidly high cost and limited selection instantly put people off.
Thier greed has cost them a lot.
I have to agree 100% with you and you make a fantastic point that CCP missed. They need to lower the prices to what you stated. And I see no details yet that indicates anything has changed. So with that in mind my 4 accounts are still canceled until I see proof that we actually have a change here with whats been implemented so with that note I will wait and see.
I used to be a supporter of Incarna but now that its a cash shop instead of gameplay...what an idiot I was to have supported it. I would rather see the first video of atmospheric flight implemented in the game from the very first fan fest than this..stuff
You won't see prices drop on anything that is already in the NeX as it would be seriously unfair to those that have already made purchases. What you will see in the near future as I already stated is a lot more reasonably priced items. This is the best they can do at this point for obvious reasons.
Bren
CCP could reimburse any Aurum to the players that bought them directly from the NeX store and then re price them more sensibly. They would rake more cash in from the players who would buy the cheaper items than lost in reimbursement.
Why do you think all that fuzz come from, people dreaming nightmares during their day? CCP put the people in front of a state with their cash shop. Now they clearly stated they won't go further, fair enough, thank you CCP, every one is "happy" now, nobody have lost his honor, they always told they wouldn't, we always tought they wouldn't, fine. Once more thank you CCP.
"CCP could reimburse any Aurum to the players that bought them directly from the NeX store and then re price them more sensibly. They would rake more cash in from the players who would buy the cheaper items than lost in reimbursement."
First people complain that Walking In Stations is even coming.. and now they complain about having to pay for optional content within content that they didn't want to exist.
First people complain that Walking In Stations is even coming.. and now they complain about having to pay for optional content within content that they didn't want to exist.
Pretty normall for this site. Its full of inconsistant trolls and fanbois of those 'other' games ( shudders ).
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
As long as CCP keeps caving to every qualm players have, they'll stay where they are economically, it's sad really. The more money CCP has the better experience Eve will be and the further it will evolve. Most consumers are too short sighted to think about these things though.
Was this a joke? If you consider Dust an expansion of EVE, then your statement holds some water, otherwise EVE is docked and spinning.
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I think the damage was already done. Players are starting to look else where.
Overall it was a mountain made of a molehill (if that). Of course CCP isn't going to let players buy an I-Win button. As for vanity items, well...That's kinda silly but hey, people buy crap for their avatars in other games and even their gaming console's avatars so why not make it an option in EVE too. Don't want to spend $50 on virtual jeans, then don't. As for shipping spinning vs the implemented Cpt.s Quarters, I don't care if you are forced to dock to Cpt.s Quarters my only issue is the lack of optimization which makes it all chug a long rather slow.
All in all though I can think of many more outstanding issues, like the virtually useless Bounty Hunting system, that need to be addressed as seriously. I just hope CCP takes a moment to realize that perhaps EVE should be more than a game where you collect virtual stuff.
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I have to agree. CCP are attempting to move from a small 1 game company to a multi-operational development/game company. It's gonna take cash and there's only one place that's gonna come from. The success of other games with their cash-shops has shown them the way. The sheer amount of people willing to pay out for "game-breaking" items will see it gets done. It's inevitable, in my view.
I'm glad to see CCP have been forced to make these statements. Time will tell us all whether they can stick to their word.
The news letter was sent out to throw ideas around, it happens everyday in company’s of all sizes all around the world.
As for the e-mail, in my time I've sent out some weird named e-mails. Examples: “B*** is a &$%”£^,” “The m$&”^*$%” have got polls up their j^$%&$%.” The e-mail could have just been as a joke. Alright admittedly it was in bad taste, but still only a joke.
As for seeing it, of course I saw the same things you did. But I never jumped at the sound of the gun, I took stock, evaluated the situation and took what I thought was the appropriate action.
But the most important thing is CCP was planing on doing the right thing.
Why do you think all that fuzz come from, people dreaming nightmares during their day? CCP put the people in front of a state with their cash shop. Now they clearly stated they won't go further, fair enough, thank you CCP, every one is "happy" now, nobody have lost his honor, they always told they wouldn't, we always tought they wouldn't, fine. Once more thank you CCP.
"CCP could reimburse any Aurum to the players that bought them directly from the NeX store and then re price them more sensibly. They would rake more cash in from the players who would buy the cheaper items than lost in reimbursement."
I'm behind this.
Keep on rockin'!
First people complain that Walking In Stations is even coming.. and now they complain about having to pay for optional content within content that they didn't want to exist.
nvm..
Pretty normall for this site. Its full of inconsistant trolls and fanbois of those 'other' games ( shudders ).Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Was this a joke? If you consider Dust an expansion of EVE, then your statement holds some water, otherwise EVE is docked and spinning.
+++++++++++
I think the damage was already done. Players are starting to look else where.
Overall it was a mountain made of a molehill (if that). Of course CCP isn't going to let players buy an I-Win button. As for vanity items, well...That's kinda silly but hey, people buy crap for their avatars in other games and even their gaming console's avatars so why not make it an option in EVE too. Don't want to spend $50 on virtual jeans, then don't. As for shipping spinning vs the implemented Cpt.s Quarters, I don't care if you are forced to dock to Cpt.s Quarters my only issue is the lack of optimization which makes it all chug a long rather slow.
All in all though I can think of many more outstanding issues, like the virtually useless Bounty Hunting system, that need to be addressed as seriously. I just hope CCP takes a moment to realize that perhaps EVE should be more than a game where you collect virtual stuff.