You want a top notch game under your development belt? You better have both to a satisfactory standard.
I'm not asking for crysis graphics or movie-like dialogue every conversation. I'm just asking for voice act that portraits a character well enough to make the story interesting, or a world that doesn't look like a 8 year old playing in Minecraft (with all due respec to minecraft of course, amazing design, but it is still an indie game, I'm talking top notch here)
But if I had to choose, I'll have to say voice acting. Simply because you don't need a graphic powerhouse to have a nice looking game, take SWTOR or GW2 for example, are they like graphic powerhouse like TERA or Crysis, they aren't, do they stale in comparison? N they don't, they artistic direction was enough to close in the gap. But for voice acting, if they are shit, you are stuck with it.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
This is not a single player game like Crysis. This is not a multiplayer online game like Diablo 2.
The technical marvel that a modern MMO is is truly astounding. I guess no one but me remembers all the lag at prime time in UO or EQ. Nowadays a little bit of lag will kill your MMO faster than 10 rats.(See Warhammer)
To make a game like this with much higher graphics would cut deeply into how many people can play the game.
Little Johnny might be able to get mom and dad to pop for the 60 dollar game, and maybe even the monthly fee.
But little Johhny's parents are not likely to run out and buy him a $2500.00 Alienware computer to play it on.
I'm sure someday someone will make a "high end " MMO with Crysis like graphical requirements, but it would be a playground for the wealthy or technically savvy. 95% of gamers won't or simply can't upgrade their pc for just one game.
Have a sense of humor, no need to get ALL MODDY ! A Simpson's quote shouldn't be worth a warning. You are lucky anyone is bothering to read this rag.
This is not a single player game like Crysis. This is not a multiplayer online game like Diablo 2.
The technical marvel that a modern MMO is is truly astounding. I guess no one but me remembers all the lag at prime time in UO or EQ. Nowadays a little bit of lag will kill your MMO faster than 10 rats.(See Warhammer)
To make a game like this with much higher graphics would cut deeply into how many people can play the game.
Little Johnny might be able to get mom and dad to pop for the 60 dollar game, and maybe even the monthly fee.
But little Johhny's parents are not likely to run out and buy him a $2500.00 Alienware computer to play it on.
I'm sure someday someone will make a "high end " MMO with Crysis like graphical requirements, but it would be a playground for the wealthy or technically savvy. 95% of gamers won't or simply can't upgrade their pc for just one game.
I understand your point, but I still firmly believe that the game can have some graphical improvemenrts made to it that won't effect the general population. Most average PCs these days are good enough for semi-decent graphical games.
Imagine that we could turn back time and influence Bioware in whatever way we wanted. You can either tell them to spend money on more graphical enhancements instead of a fully voiced MMO or you can keep the game the way it is looking today. What will you choose? There is no option to have both, you must choose one or the other.
Again: Would you rather have the fully voiced MMO it is today? Or would you rather use the recources used for the voice acting to put into higher quality graphics. (NOTE: I did not mention changing the gameplay in ANY way, Just the graphics.)
Just a fun thread, just gathering you guys' input.
I have found that art design is of greater importance to me than graphics. Also controls.
I have no problem buying into a game that has older graphics if it handles well and the art is decent for the era it was made.
I would much prefer the voice overs.
As far as your topic, the Art Design works. I would have preferred something a bit more like Mass Effect 2 but don't see it as a huge problem.
I'll be honest, I never liked clicking on an npc and have them swivel toward you (if one was so lucky and they actually swivelled) and a text box popped up.
I like the characters in a world to feel more alive.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I don't care for either amazing graphics, nor (especially) voice acting that everyone with click through anyway...
I want a real variety of content and addictive fun for more than just a month or two.
Now the question comes, what makes you think everyone will simply click through it?
For most people i firmly believe it's much easier to click the npc and listen to them, then it is to start trying to read a few paragraphs of text.
Now obviously it's up to the story writers to make good stories but theres also something else. While you can simply scroll down in text, read the rewards and click accept in most games, your going to have to actually go through dialog one line of dialog at a time in game and make choices throughout.
Naturally some will skip past it. These are what i call speed runners. however i don't think the game is designed for these types of people. You get bumps all along the road with these quests that just slow em down.
Make too many wrong choices and you may lose that glorious pet of yours that you were going to use at end-game.
Yes you can lose your companions if you make too many choices that upset them, and how are you going to know what these choices are unless you know whats going on and how these people act towards certain things?
Naturally again the speeders could download a walkthrough of conversations but they'd have to wait a bit for someone to draw em up which is counter intutive to the nature of speed running which is to...get there first before everyone else.
Nothing is impossible of course, but i don't think the game in it's design is going to make skipping dialouge such a good idea. In fact in certain cases it would probably only hinder the person late game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Personally, I'm bored of cutting edge graphics.. I prefer seeing companies trying new stuff, pushing the limits gameplay wise.. Plus, with the current pace at which systems get outdated, staying up to date becomes a challenge my wallet cannot overcome..
However I personally thinking TOR is looking amazing. Art wise it destroys AoC for me and the graphics suit the style so well it just all around looks great.
This.
AOC made me realise how much full voice acting adds to a game. Tortage was excellent, then when you left and just had text it just didnt seem right.
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
Neither choice really. I'm ok with subpar graphics, but i'd rather that they didn't waste resources on so much VO. Ultimatley, graphics is a better long term choice because it keeps your game's graphics competitive longer while all voiceover does is slows down the pace of new content development since you now need to do voice for anything you want to add.
I'd really prefer they had spent the resources on more content and more gameplay mechanics. I'd gladly give up voice in favour of any of: proper multi-player space content, dynamic content, more races, more classes, more skills, more quests, more raids, more meaningful non-combat gameplaye, more planets, more dungeons ... pretty much just about anything is a better investment than VO for me. I'd choose most of those things over better graphics also.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
I don't care for either amazing graphics, nor (especially) voice acting that everyone with click through anyway...
I want a real variety of content and addictive fun for more than just a month or two.
Now the question comes, what makes you think everyone will simply click through it?
For most people i firmly believe it's much easier to click the npc and listen to them, then it is to start trying to read a few paragraphs of text.
Nancy? Nancy McIntyre is that you???
Trust me, the same people who had no patience to read a simple paragraph of text aren't going to be waiting around for 'B' level voice acting to finish their 'B' level skit before getting bored and clicking through.
As being an old school gamer graphics really don't bother me as long as they are not complete garbage. I have never bought any game based just on the graphics looking great. I rather they dump tons of money into the story, voice acting, and gameplay than graphics. As long as the story and the gameplay is solid graphics shouldn't really mean too much and it also opens up the game to wider audience that doesn't need tricked out gaming rigs to run the game.
Ya; because, the one thing WoW had going for it was it's awesome graphics! Oh wait, no... I guess graphics don't mean crap in an MMO. I've learned over the years that when a developer spends more time trying to make a game look pretty, that's less time spent making it fun.
having full voice has really made games like mass effect 2 better, what is wrong with very good graphics and great voice over?
I happen to agree with that first point. I wouldn't have been remotely as interested in RPGs like Mass Effect if I had to read through rows of text rather than being immersed in a voiced conversation. And another thing I feel people are forgeting is that this game is based off of the KOTOR series. If they didn't like KOTOR, I have no idea why in the world they would bother with TOR! Maybe they have some weird delusion that this game will turn out to be something other than what it actually is, a true role playing game.
Its funny how people keep saying voice is amazing, but useless since everyone is going to keep clicking through it. Guess what, You don't have to.......
Thats same as graphics, if you are just playing the interface (eg: looking at health bars, skill cooldowns, party health, skill queues) The game can just draw as few boxes and squares then read a book to you and it still wouldn't matter.
Games, especially MMO are such huge projects that you will need multitude of media, hence the name multimedia, to succeed.
graphics or voice is simple polish of the game.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
omg, yes..... voice overs, I been waiting over a decade, cant they finally get to it now. I usually end up starting the day playing and reading everything, but by night time in a game i click through everything nonstop because of the burnout from reading, it happens... you can only read so much in hours of playing. Like someone posted earlier, on Age of conan, I loved tortage up to 20 because of the voice overs, and when I left tortage, I dam near put my head in my hands and cried when I found out there was no more voice overs. I find myself also quiting games far before the graphics are outdated, because they lack that personal feel that voice overs would bring to them.
I might even actually enjoy leveling up a few more characters past my first if they had voice overs too
This is one reason I was thinking hard about buying swtor also.
This was ritten by a dev about the depth of voice overs in this game.... its truley amazing what happens when you get a production studio involved into these games.
Now someday I hope they add cinamatic cutscense into these games for the really die hard fans. Add some movie clips with real actors or something in between zones or before boss fights, after boss fights, when a really valuable rare drops. Put some lore into the items with cutscense..... heres to hoping for the future.
Imagine picking up a rare and being able to see the storyline behind it if you choose to, of a mini story on how the item got to where you found it. Now thats some incredible gaming programing
How about more content instead of hours upon hours and millions of dollars on voice overs?
Like it was said earlier, this poll is simply about the games polish. Content is what makes an MMO what it is, Graphics and Voice Overs are just an added bonus.
Imagine that we could turn back time and influence Bioware in whatever way we wanted. You can either tell them to spend money on more graphical enhancements instead of a fully voiced MMO or you can keep the game the way it is looking today. What will you choose? There is no option to have both, you must choose one or the other.
Again: Would you rather have the fully voiced MMO it is today? Or would you rather use the recources used for the voice acting to put into higher quality graphics. (NOTE: I did not mention changing the gameplay in ANY way, Just the graphics.)
Just a fun thread, just gathering you guys' input.
The game looks great much better than any of the current mmo's out. Wait untell you get into the game and see for yourself.
the landscape is done oh so very well its one of the best things about SW:TOR atm... trust me i know ;-)
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I don't think you understand how a project like SWTOR is developed or funded.
Both.. split it and give a bit to both.. .. though I am almost deaf, so graphics wins out for me..
Both if I could!
You want a top notch game under your development belt? You better have both to a satisfactory standard.
I'm not asking for crysis graphics or movie-like dialogue every conversation. I'm just asking for voice act that portraits a character well enough to make the story interesting, or a world that doesn't look like a 8 year old playing in Minecraft (with all due respec to minecraft of course, amazing design, but it is still an indie game, I'm talking top notch here)
But if I had to choose, I'll have to say voice acting. Simply because you don't need a graphic powerhouse to have a nice looking game, take SWTOR or GW2 for example, are they like graphic powerhouse like TERA or Crysis, they aren't, do they stale in comparison? N they don't, they artistic direction was enough to close in the gap. But for voice acting, if they are shit, you are stuck with it.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
This is not a single player game like Crysis. This is not a multiplayer online game like Diablo 2.
The technical marvel that a modern MMO is is truly astounding. I guess no one but me remembers all the lag at prime time in UO or EQ. Nowadays a little bit of lag will kill your MMO faster than 10 rats.(See Warhammer)
To make a game like this with much higher graphics would cut deeply into how many people can play the game.
Little Johnny might be able to get mom and dad to pop for the 60 dollar game, and maybe even the monthly fee.
But little Johhny's parents are not likely to run out and buy him a $2500.00 Alienware computer to play it on.
I'm sure someday someone will make a "high end " MMO with Crysis like graphical requirements, but it would be a playground for the wealthy or technically savvy. 95% of gamers won't or simply can't upgrade their pc for just one game.
Have a sense of humor, no need to get ALL MODDY !
A Simpson's quote shouldn't be worth a warning. You are lucky anyone is bothering to read this rag.
I understand your point, but I still firmly believe that the game can have some graphical improvemenrts made to it that won't effect the general population. Most average PCs these days are good enough for semi-decent graphical games.
I don't care for either amazing graphics, nor (especially) voice acting that everyone will click through anyway...
I want a real variety of content and addictive fun for more than just a month or two.
Fancy voice or graphics wont matter if one cant build your own kingdom, conquer, be victorious, be defeated...... and make it somehow matter.
I have found that art design is of greater importance to me than graphics. Also controls.
I have no problem buying into a game that has older graphics if it handles well and the art is decent for the era it was made.
I would much prefer the voice overs.
As far as your topic, the Art Design works. I would have preferred something a bit more like Mass Effect 2 but don't see it as a huge problem.
I'll be honest, I never liked clicking on an npc and have them swivel toward you (if one was so lucky and they actually swivelled) and a text box popped up.
I like the characters in a world to feel more alive.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Now the question comes, what makes you think everyone will simply click through it?
For most people i firmly believe it's much easier to click the npc and listen to them, then it is to start trying to read a few paragraphs of text.
Now obviously it's up to the story writers to make good stories but theres also something else. While you can simply scroll down in text, read the rewards and click accept in most games, your going to have to actually go through dialog one line of dialog at a time in game and make choices throughout.
Naturally some will skip past it. These are what i call speed runners. however i don't think the game is designed for these types of people. You get bumps all along the road with these quests that just slow em down.
Make too many wrong choices and you may lose that glorious pet of yours that you were going to use at end-game.
Yes you can lose your companions if you make too many choices that upset them, and how are you going to know what these choices are unless you know whats going on and how these people act towards certain things?
Naturally again the speeders could download a walkthrough of conversations but they'd have to wait a bit for someone to draw em up which is counter intutive to the nature of speed running which is to...get there first before everyone else.
Nothing is impossible of course, but i don't think the game in it's design is going to make skipping dialouge such a good idea. In fact in certain cases it would probably only hinder the person late game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Personally, I'm bored of cutting edge graphics.. I prefer seeing companies trying new stuff, pushing the limits gameplay wise.. Plus, with the current pace at which systems get outdated, staying up to date becomes a challenge my wallet cannot overcome..
This.
AOC made me realise how much full voice acting adds to a game. Tortage was excellent, then when you left and just had text it just didnt seem right.
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
Neither choice really. I'm ok with subpar graphics, but i'd rather that they didn't waste resources on so much VO. Ultimatley, graphics is a better long term choice because it keeps your game's graphics competitive longer while all voiceover does is slows down the pace of new content development since you now need to do voice for anything you want to add.
I'd really prefer they had spent the resources on more content and more gameplay mechanics. I'd gladly give up voice in favour of any of: proper multi-player space content, dynamic content, more races, more classes, more skills, more quests, more raids, more meaningful non-combat gameplaye, more planets, more dungeons ... pretty much just about anything is a better investment than VO for me. I'd choose most of those things over better graphics also.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
Nancy? Nancy McIntyre is that you???
Trust me, the same people who had no patience to read a simple paragraph of text aren't going to be waiting around for 'B' level voice acting to finish their 'B' level skit before getting bored and clicking through.
having full voice has really made games like mass effect 2 better, what is wrong with very good graphics and great voice over?
As being an old school gamer graphics really don't bother me as long as they are not complete garbage. I have never bought any game based just on the graphics looking great. I rather they dump tons of money into the story, voice acting, and gameplay than graphics. As long as the story and the gameplay is solid graphics shouldn't really mean too much and it also opens up the game to wider audience that doesn't need tricked out gaming rigs to run the game.
Ya; because, the one thing WoW had going for it was it's awesome graphics! Oh wait, no... I guess graphics don't mean crap in an MMO. I've learned over the years that when a developer spends more time trying to make a game look pretty, that's less time spent making it fun.
Out of those two, I would pick voice over graphics, but when talking about TOR, a little more inspired art style could go a long way.
I happen to agree with that first point. I wouldn't have been remotely as interested in RPGs like Mass Effect if I had to read through rows of text rather than being immersed in a voiced conversation. And another thing I feel people are forgeting is that this game is based off of the KOTOR series. If they didn't like KOTOR, I have no idea why in the world they would bother with TOR! Maybe they have some weird delusion that this game will turn out to be something other than what it actually is, a true role playing game.
Its funny how people keep saying voice is amazing, but useless since everyone is going to keep clicking through it. Guess what, You don't have to.......
Thats same as graphics, if you are just playing the interface (eg: looking at health bars, skill cooldowns, party health, skill queues) The game can just draw as few boxes and squares then read a book to you and it still wouldn't matter.
Games, especially MMO are such huge projects that you will need multitude of media, hence the name multimedia, to succeed.
graphics or voice is simple polish of the game.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Can I pick a third item?
How about more content instead of hours upon hours and millions of dollars on voice overs?
omg, yes..... voice overs, I been waiting over a decade, cant they finally get to it now. I usually end up starting the day playing and reading everything, but by night time in a game i click through everything nonstop because of the burnout from reading, it happens... you can only read so much in hours of playing. Like someone posted earlier, on Age of conan, I loved tortage up to 20 because of the voice overs, and when I left tortage, I dam near put my head in my hands and cried when I found out there was no more voice overs. I find myself also quiting games far before the graphics are outdated, because they lack that personal feel that voice overs would bring to them.
I might even actually enjoy leveling up a few more characters past my first if they had voice overs too
This is one reason I was thinking hard about buying swtor also.
This was ritten by a dev about the depth of voice overs in this game.... its truley amazing what happens when you get a production studio involved into these games.
http://www.swtor.com/news/blog/developer-blog-10
Now someday I hope they add cinamatic cutscense into these games for the really die hard fans. Add some movie clips with real actors or something in between zones or before boss fights, after boss fights, when a really valuable rare drops. Put some lore into the items with cutscense..... heres to hoping for the future.
Imagine picking up a rare and being able to see the storyline behind it if you choose to, of a mini story on how the item got to where you found it. Now thats some incredible gaming programing
Like it was said earlier, this poll is simply about the games polish. Content is what makes an MMO what it is, Graphics and Voice Overs are just an added bonus.
That's putting it mildly.
The game looks great much better than any of the current mmo's out. Wait untell you get into the game and see for yourself.
the landscape is done oh so very well its one of the best things about SW:TOR atm... trust me i know ;-)