No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.
Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.
Big words? Where? Where did he use big words? lol Maybe someone should pay more attention in English class and less attention to PvP games. People who enjoy inflicting pain on others, in whatever form (mental or physical), have some sort of mental problem themselves. Find a psychologist or psychiatrist that DISagrees with that. Good luck.
By the way....I've not seen a logical post from you here. I have only seen posts from a bitter PvPing 22 year old without enough life experience to put together the logical things OTHER people have posted. Those things make no sense to you because you lack the years to make sense of them.
Since when does age give the ability to think logically? Again, correlation does not equal causation. Granted, age and logical thinking have a very high correlation, but that still doesn't prove causation. I know plenty of people in their younger years that are more mature and logically minded than their older counterparts, but to be fair, I know a lot of really immature and illogical people my age.
Anyways, that's beside the point. Am I really the one that's bitter here, or is it all of you the ones that are bitter? Seems like all of you have been ganked in the past and are now bitter towards gankers, unable to see any other side of the argument.
Originally posted by BadSpock I am going to copy/paste this into every thread I see about this issue.
Please don't, Spock. I'd be forced to block you V_V
But it's so perfect!
Since I've joined the Dark Pony fan club I've been trying to stalk you anyway... hmmm.....
I just wish people would differentiate some more between motivations for "ganking" as well as the different definitions.
The players that willingly seek out lower leveled players to one-shot and grief are just a small (often pubescent) group compared to all those players out in the world looking for some hawt pvp action: i.e. the "red = dead" kind who don't think so much about levels, nor about odds which might or might not be in their favor. Sadly they are often tossed on one bunch with the first group of sadistic, angsty 13 year olds.
I belong to the "red = dead" kind of players (though I have weak moments and let enemies live sometimes) and despise the first kind (and love to hunt them down) but that doesn't mean I won't kill a low leveled character occasionaly. And I wont mind if others treat me the same. The little bugger should have seen me and ran away
I think you read too much into my post. while I don't differentiate between kinds of players, I generally do not see people who don't camp lowbie areas to kill them on sight as gankers.
Because its funny to see how serious some people are about video games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes and kills you in a video game, then you need help. No, gankers do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
*edit* I also look at it the same way I look at people who whine about the AWP in counterstrike. If you don't like a particular feature of a game (the AWP, the ability to gank, etc) then don't play the game. It's that easy.
So, why don't we see people doing this in RL?
Not Ganking newbs, but lets say a friendly game of flag football at the park. Why is it you don't see one person pick up the ball and run to his own endzone and get tackled? I mean:
Its funny to see how serious some people are about sports games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes ruins your game game, then you need help. No, endzoners do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the jock raging that follows.
I mean its still just a game. What reason do people have to be upset and keep you from playing when you run the ball to your own endzone?
Haha! This thread is too funny. As soon as I come out with the first logical post in this thread, everyone seems to ignore it and move on.
Anyway, let me ask you guys something. Are you all really so naive as to think that it really is impossible for someone to just have geniune fun with a mechanic that was purposefully coded into a game?
Another question: Why are gankers automatically assholes? Is it because they have caused you frustration in the past? Seems a bit childish to me to be within your realm of thought after gankers causing you frustration in the past, ESPECIALLY because it was in a video game. Oh wait, thats right: this is a forum for MMORPG players, which are notorius for that sort of thing in the gaming world.
Full of yourself much? But of course, you're right about everything you said, because you apparently know more than anyone else here. You took a college course on correlation...Corellians....some crap like that, right? Sorry, the big words hurt my tiny pea-sized brain. Really, no one is taking you seriously, it's frustrating to you and now you're trying to cover it up by pretending you find it funny. As is stands, you're trying to take delight in putting other people down, on this thread (trying to get your gank on?). Some of your other posts are proof. You could have still made your points in all of your other posts, but you don't come across as a civil person...more of someone who speaks out of a position of superiority to others. Of course, you won't see it, just as much as people here won't buy into your dribble. Thanks for playing and have a nice day.
Nothing is fun in killing newbs, but "funny" games are sometime a bit stupid, i mean its all good for a time and all. But when you want to have a good world for your character to live in you just don't always want to have it "funny". Risk is an important phenomena in rpg games, i don't know in ad&d you could die at any time and had to make a new character. If i don't ask for perma death in all mmorpg (i wouldn't mind have one or 2 games with it though), at least you should have a sense of danger in all of them, yes all. Obviously all our mmo are "funny games" in a puerile sense, they offer no risk at all, its just boring and stupid in the long run. Pking definitely put a sense of danger in mmo, you just need to keep its level low, thats all.
The most accurate description I've seen is from one of my favorite web comics nerfnow.
"That feeling of despair and hopeleness, that's what I think drives DOTA players. To utterly crush your enemies. From destroying their ancients to denying their kills. Isn't about winning as much as it is to make the enemy lose everything."
I diagree. I like DOTA when the game is at a high competition level (start, midgame usually). When my team destroys the competition I just want to finish the game to start another. Unless the other team kept teasing or bragging during the game there are no special feelings.
Originally posted by BadSpock I am going to copy/paste this into every thread I see about this issue.
Please don't, Spock. I'd be forced to block you V_V
But it's so perfect!
Since I've joined the Dark Pony fan club I've been trying to stalk you anyway... hmmm.....
I just wish people would differentiate some more between motivations for "ganking" as well as the different definitions.
The players that willingly seek out lower leveled players to one-shot and grief are just a small (often pubescent) group compared to all those players out in the world looking for some hawt pvp action: i.e. the "red = dead" kind who don't think so much about levels, nor about odds which might or might not be in their favor. Sadly they are often tossed on one bunch with the first group of sadistic, angsty 13 year olds.
I belong to the "red = dead" kind of players (though I have weak moments and let enemies live sometimes) and despise the first kind (and love to hunt them down) but that doesn't mean I won't kill a low leveled character occasionaly. And I wont mind if others treat me the same. The little bugger should have seen me and ran away
I think you read too much into my post. while I don't differentiate between kinds of players, I generally do not see people who don't camp lowbie areas to kill them on sight as gankers.
Roger
Actually I think players like me could be called gankers too (red = dead means a lot of lowbie victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time) but we aren't intentionally seeking out noobies to grief them, if you catch my drift.
It wasn't intended for just you though, but for the general sentiment of people raging about anyone that dares to kill lower leveled players in whatever circumstances.
Originally posted by travdoty No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.
Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.
The contradiction is that for some reason gankers like to bother people enough to hear them complain-to know you are ruining their attempt to have fun and rejoicing in it. That implies some issue with the ganker-low self-esteem or whatever. Most people don.t find enjoyment in doing those things, they find enjoyment in other, more productive parts of gaming or life. And you've said that those who don'y like being ganked should leave game to find new one. If gankers are so bored with their game that they can't find anything else to do, maybe they should find a new game.
The definition of deriving joy from the pain of others is sadism. Most people instinctively recognize this, even without all the social cues that are lacking in online interactions. It's possible that the missing social cues leads to sadistic behavior from people with an otherwise low level of sadistic behavior. In other words, everyone has at least little sadist in them, but it's held in check or filtered by being around people in social situations.
For instance, when I hang around with the people at work, we often make jokes at each others' expense. Each of us are often the recipient of those jokes. We are all taking joy in the pain of others, so are we sadistic? It's largely consensual and it's a bonding activity so no, we're not being sadistic, even though we are engaging in what would otherwise be sadistic behavior. i.e. Taking joy in the pain of another individual.
When someone is killing low level players, they aren't bonding with them and it's not consensual. They may not realize they are causing pain to other players (emotional or psychological pain) or they may assume they aren't, because it's virtual and really, it's a game about killing other players. In these cases, it's not really sadistic.
When you get into killing low level players specifically for the purpose of causing them pain, you're getting into sadistic behavior. In the grand scheme of things it's mostly harmless, but it's still sadistic behavior. Other people recognize this and that's why they get angry at the 'gankers' and angry about this subject.
The 'gankers' realize they are causing some sort of pain by the reactions they get, and taking joy in it they continue the conversation.
I'm not a psychologist, or a sociologist or anything of the kind. I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.
** edit ** 'cue' not 'queue'
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by BadSpock I am going to copy/paste this into every thread I see about this issue.
Please don't, Spock. I'd be forced to block you V_V
But it's so perfect!
Since I've joined the Dark Pony fan club I've been trying to stalk you anyway... hmmm.....
I just wish people would differentiate some more between motivations for "ganking" as well as the different definitions.
The players that willingly seek out lower leveled players to one-shot and grief are just a small (often pubescent) group compared to all those players out in the world looking for some hawt pvp action: i.e. the "red = dead" kind who don't think so much about levels, nor about odds which might or might not be in their favor. Sadly they are often tossed on one bunch with the first group of sadistic, angsty 13 year olds.
I belong to the "red = dead" kind of players (though I have weak moments and let enemies live sometimes) and despise the first kind (and love to hunt them down) but that doesn't mean I won't kill a low leveled character occasionaly. And I wont mind if others treat me the same. The little bugger should have seen me and ran away
I think you read too much into my post. while I don't differentiate between kinds of players, I generally do not see people who don't camp lowbie areas to kill them on sight as gankers.
Roger
Actually I think players like me could be called gankers too (red = dead means a lot of lowbie victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time) but we aren't intentionally seeking out noobies to grief them, if you catch my drift.
It wasn't intended for just you though, but for the general sentiment of people raging about anyone that dares to kill lower leveled players in whatever circumstances.
Understood, I'm a big fan of - you went some place you shouldn't have been or weren't prepared for, you suffer the consquences. Ganking is specific in mind mind to someone who camps the helpless. May not be to other's but that kind of behavior reminds me of "beta wloves". Anything else for the most part doesn't seem to carry with it the same sort of challengeless ego stroke.
Because some people are just so either bad players or feel the need to be "powerfull" among something, both things are bad and both things taint them, true players face people equal or higuer to test their strengh, at least in mmo's, otherwise they are just lamers...
imo its more of a cat / mouse type thing ..when im playing any kind of pvp server of these days and theres no lvl req. when fighting i just poke at em to get a responce..me "being the cat" may shoot sumpin at em or give em a tickle and be about my way..them "being a mouse" come at me full force trying to kill me i put em in their place or leave em near death...but if im pvping / playing a epic game like shadowbane i play to crush whats ever in my path..nomatter how many or who lol
thats the problem i think with pvp in mmo's nowa days..alot of people that want to pvp ..want to experiance the feeling of other mmo's that they played in the past..why? cuz pvp back then was and is epic ..haveing a sence that theres danger around every corner is what makes pvp ..pvp
and ganking..if you like pvp mmo's and you have played many diff ones most people have had been ganked 1 time in another..over and over and over again..hell,even to log off and play an atl till the lil twat moves along to pick on someone else..or to even log on your main char. and hunt the lil twat down..imo its fun..its what pvp is about survival of the fittest
pvp of now is just cluttered with arena type pvp that is plane out dull..you cant even have decent fun in them because you got derps that sit in arena 24/7 and think they belong to some elite league of arena pvp..not to mention that most games are giveing either badges or rewards that make that char even more OP ..imo if you want to play CTF or TEAM DEATH MATCH go play COD i really hate these concepts in pvp mmo's now days theres no more open world pvp it has become "you have to pvp here if you want to pvp" or Q up for a battleground
Because some people are just so either bad players or feel the need to be "powerfull" among something, both things are bad and both things taint them, true players face people equal or higuer to test their strengh, at least in mmo's, otherwise they are just lamers...
*ganks Varthander for his his 3k lower post count*
Pwnd nub!
Sorry just had to. I strongly disagree. In a war level isn't important. If there's an enemy out in contested territory, he must be destroyed whatever his level. Doesn't make me a lamer.
Lamers are griefers who purposely seek out lowbies and kill them repeatedly just because they can.
@Leoghan "I'm a big fan of - you went some place you shouldn't have been or weren't prepared for, you suffer the consquences."
Originally posted by BadSpock The paid professionals who make games that millions of people buy and enjoy seem to agree and take a particular side to this issue. But, obviously, the half dozen people in this thread who take the other side of the issue are the ones who REALLY know what's what... I mean, obviously anyone who doesn't agree is inferior and not as smart as me, right? Isn't this how forums work?
That is how internet forums work.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I'm still waiting for a legal case that equates this type of behavior with cyber-bullying. I'm only surprised that we haven't seen one yet.
Now I'd say that anyone who took ganking/griefing to court in RL is pretty messed up themselves -
The smart person would simply just not play such a poorly designed game.
And when games cost money to maintain as MMOs do, the last thing you want to do is force players out - hence, why this arguement is completely stupid, because there is not a single person who can logically argue that it is not BAD DESIGN.
Even if it's fun or you enjoy it, doesn't mean it's not still bad design.
Originally posted by Mendel I'm still waiting for a legal case that equates this type of behavior with cyber-bullying. I'm only surprised that we haven't seen one yet.
I don't think that will happen since it's happening in an environment where the behavior can be limited by mechanics. i.e. new players are in protected areas and can't be killed by high level players. It's not the same thing as being bullied on Facebook because there's no way to stop the behavior using the system.
I don't think it would be cyber bullying unless the participants know each other outside of the game and there are consequences outside of the game. Most behavior that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else is normal in a PvP situation.
** edit ** Dammit Spock! Stop doing that!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I'm still waiting for a legal case that equates this type of behavior with cyber-bullying. I'm only surprised that we haven't seen one yet.
I don't think that will happen since it's happening in an environment where the behavior can be limited by mechanics. i.e. new players are in protected areas and can't be killed by high level players. It's not the same thing as being bullied on Facebook because there's no way to stop the behavior using the system.
I don't think it would be cyber bullying unless the participants know each other outside of the game and there are consequences outside of the game. Most behavior that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else is normal in a PvP situation.
It's all in the EULA.
People have murdered each other over MMO stuff. Seriously. It's sad, but true.
Originally posted by BadSpock Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Mendel I'm still waiting for a legal case that equates this type of behavior with cyber-bullying. I'm only surprised that we haven't seen one yet.
I don't think that will happen since it's happening in an environment where the behavior can be limited by mechanics. i.e. new players are in protected areas and can't be killed by high level players. It's not the same thing as being bullied on Facebook because there's no way to stop the behavior using the system.
I don't think it would be cyber bullying unless the participants know each other outside of the game and there are consequences outside of the game. Most behavior that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else is normal in a PvP situation. It's all in the EULA. People have murdered each other over MMO stuff. Seriously. It's sad, but true.
AAAAAAARGH! I AM SURROUNDED BY BADSPOCK!!!!!1!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.
Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.
Anyway, let me ask you guys something. Are you all really so naive as to think that it really is impossible for someone to just have geniune fun with a mechanic that was purposefully coded into a game?
Another question: Why are gankers automatically assholes? Is it because they have caused you frustration in the past?
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I have plenty of fun with FFA PVP I love laying in wait to gank gankers I see attacking noobs. So no it's not impossible that people enjoy the mechanic. What is ridiculous though is that they never understand why noobs don't like being ganked by players they have no chance of fighting. What's even more ridiculous? The fact they call those who don't like being ganked by those 20 levels above them cowards.
IMO Noob ganking is a sure sign of a bad game, or a bad player. Either A: the game has no top level pvp going on, or B: the player can't compete in their own range of PVP.
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Since when does age give the ability to think logically? Again, correlation does not equal causation. Granted, age and logical thinking have a very high correlation, but that still doesn't prove causation. I know plenty of people in their younger years that are more mature and logically minded than their older counterparts, but to be fair, I know a lot of really immature and illogical people my age.
Anyways, that's beside the point. Am I really the one that's bitter here, or is it all of you the ones that are bitter? Seems like all of you have been ganked in the past and are now bitter towards gankers, unable to see any other side of the argument.
I think you read too much into my post. while I don't differentiate between kinds of players, I generally do not see people who don't camp lowbie areas to kill them on sight as gankers.
So, why don't we see people doing this in RL?
Not Ganking newbs, but lets say a friendly game of flag football at the park. Why is it you don't see one person pick up the ball and run to his own endzone and get tackled? I mean:
Its funny to see how serious some people are about sports games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes ruins your game game, then you need help. No, endzoners do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the jock raging that follows.
I mean its still just a game. What reason do people have to be upset and keep you from playing when you run the ball to your own endzone?
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
Full of yourself much? But of course, you're right about everything you said, because you apparently know more than anyone else here. You took a college course on correlation...Corellians....some crap like that, right? Sorry, the big words hurt my tiny pea-sized brain. Really, no one is taking you seriously, it's frustrating to you and now you're trying to cover it up by pretending you find it funny. As is stands, you're trying to take delight in putting other people down, on this thread (trying to get your gank on?). Some of your other posts are proof. You could have still made your points in all of your other posts, but you don't come across as a civil person...more of someone who speaks out of a position of superiority to others. Of course, you won't see it, just as much as people here won't buy into your dribble. Thanks for playing and have a nice day.
this looks epic! just hope it isnt full of p2win shops
Nothing is fun in killing newbs, but "funny" games are sometime a bit stupid, i mean its all good for a time and all. But when you want to have a good world for your character to live in you just don't always want to have it "funny". Risk is an important phenomena in rpg games, i don't know in ad&d you could die at any time and had to make a new character. If i don't ask for perma death in all mmorpg (i wouldn't mind have one or 2 games with it though), at least you should have a sense of danger in all of them, yes all. Obviously all our mmo are "funny games" in a puerile sense, they offer no risk at all, its just boring and stupid in the long run. Pking definitely put a sense of danger in mmo, you just need to keep its level low, thats all.
I diagree. I like DOTA when the game is at a high competition level (start, midgame usually). When my team destroys the competition I just want to finish the game to start another. Unless the other team kept teasing or bragging during the game there are no special feelings.
When they makes posts on the forums crying about it
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Actually I think players like me could be called gankers too (red = dead means a lot of lowbie victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time) but we aren't intentionally seeking out noobies to grief them, if you catch my drift.
It wasn't intended for just you though, but for the general sentiment of people raging about anyone that dares to kill lower leveled players in whatever circumstances.
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The definition of deriving joy from the pain of others is sadism. Most people instinctively recognize this, even without all the social cues that are lacking in online interactions. It's possible that the missing social cues leads to sadistic behavior from people with an otherwise low level of sadistic behavior. In other words, everyone has at least little sadist in them, but it's held in check or filtered by being around people in social situations.
For instance, when I hang around with the people at work, we often make jokes at each others' expense. Each of us are often the recipient of those jokes. We are all taking joy in the pain of others, so are we sadistic? It's largely consensual and it's a bonding activity so no, we're not being sadistic, even though we are engaging in what would otherwise be sadistic behavior. i.e. Taking joy in the pain of another individual.
When someone is killing low level players, they aren't bonding with them and it's not consensual. They may not realize they are causing pain to other players (emotional or psychological pain) or they may assume they aren't, because it's virtual and really, it's a game about killing other players. In these cases, it's not really sadistic.
When you get into killing low level players specifically for the purpose of causing them pain, you're getting into sadistic behavior. In the grand scheme of things it's mostly harmless, but it's still sadistic behavior. Other people recognize this and that's why they get angry at the 'gankers' and angry about this subject.
The 'gankers' realize they are causing some sort of pain by the reactions they get, and taking joy in it they continue the conversation.
I'm not a psychologist, or a sociologist or anything of the kind. I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.
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'cue' not 'queue'
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Understood, I'm a big fan of - you went some place you shouldn't have been or weren't prepared for, you suffer the consquences. Ganking is specific in mind mind to someone who camps the helpless. May not be to other's but that kind of behavior reminds me of "beta wloves". Anything else for the most part doesn't seem to carry with it the same sort of challengeless ego stroke.
Because some people are just so either bad players or feel the need to be "powerfull" among something, both things are bad and both things taint them, true players face people equal or higuer to test their strengh, at least in mmo's, otherwise they are just lamers...
what makes camping nubs fun?
imo its more of a cat / mouse type thing ..when im playing any kind of pvp server of these days and theres no lvl req. when fighting i just poke at em to get a responce..me "being the cat" may shoot sumpin at em or give em a tickle and be about my way..them "being a mouse" come at me full force trying to kill me i put em in their place or leave em near death...but if im pvping / playing a epic game like shadowbane i play to crush whats ever in my path..nomatter how many or who lol
thats the problem i think with pvp in mmo's nowa days..alot of people that want to pvp ..want to experiance the feeling of other mmo's that they played in the past..why? cuz pvp back then was and is epic ..haveing a sence that theres danger around every corner is what makes pvp ..pvp
and ganking..if you like pvp mmo's and you have played many diff ones most people have had been ganked 1 time in another..over and over and over again..hell,even to log off and play an atl till the lil twat moves along to pick on someone else..or to even log on your main char. and hunt the lil twat down..imo its fun..its what pvp is about survival of the fittest
pvp of now is just cluttered with arena type pvp that is plane out dull..you cant even have decent fun in them because you got derps that sit in arena 24/7 and think they belong to some elite league of arena pvp..not to mention that most games are giveing either badges or rewards that make that char even more OP ..imo if you want to play CTF or TEAM DEATH MATCH go play COD i really hate these concepts in pvp mmo's now days theres no more open world pvp it has become "you have to pvp here if you want to pvp" or Q up for a battleground
*ganks Varthander for his his 3k lower post count*
Pwnd nub!
Sorry just had to. I strongly disagree. In a war level isn't important. If there's an enemy out in contested territory, he must be destroyed whatever his level. Doesn't make me a lamer.
Lamers are griefers who purposely seek out lowbies and kill them repeatedly just because they can.
@Leoghan "I'm a big fan of - you went some place you shouldn't have been or weren't prepared for, you suffer the consquences."
Couldn't agree more.
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The paid professionals who make games that millions of people buy and enjoy seem to agree and take a particular side to this issue.
But, obviously, the half dozen people in this thread who take the other side of the issue are the ones who REALLY know what's what...
I mean, obviously anyone who doesn't agree is inferior and not as smart as me, right?
Isn't this how forums work?
Just because a person may like bad design doesn't mean it's not still BAD DESIGN.
That is how internet forums work.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I'm still waiting for a legal case that equates this type of behavior with cyber-bullying. I'm only surprised that we haven't seen one yet.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I pretty sure this how evertything works. not just internet forums
Now I'd say that anyone who took ganking/griefing to court in RL is pretty messed up themselves -
The smart person would simply just not play such a poorly designed game.
And when games cost money to maintain as MMOs do, the last thing you want to do is force players out - hence, why this arguement is completely stupid, because there is not a single person who can logically argue that it is not BAD DESIGN.
Even if it's fun or you enjoy it, doesn't mean it's not still bad design.
Period. Fact. Done.
I don't think that will happen since it's happening in an environment where the behavior can be limited by mechanics. i.e. new players are in protected areas and can't be killed by high level players. It's not the same thing as being bullied on Facebook because there's no way to stop the behavior using the system.
I don't think it would be cyber bullying unless the participants know each other outside of the game and there are consequences outside of the game. Most behavior that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else is normal in a PvP situation.
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Dammit Spock! Stop doing that!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
It's all in the EULA.
People have murdered each other over MMO stuff. Seriously. It's sad, but true.
I don't think that will happen since it's happening in an environment where the behavior can be limited by mechanics. i.e. new players are in protected areas and can't be killed by high level players. It's not the same thing as being bullied on Facebook because there's no way to stop the behavior using the system.
I don't think it would be cyber bullying unless the participants know each other outside of the game and there are consequences outside of the game. Most behavior that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else is normal in a PvP situation.
It's all in the EULA.
People have murdered each other over MMO stuff. Seriously. It's sad, but true.
AAAAAAARGH! I AM SURROUNDED BY BADSPOCK!!!!!1!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Um...so you think Icewhite used big words? wow.
You can't escape the logic train.
I have plenty of fun with FFA PVP I love laying in wait to gank gankers I see attacking noobs. So no it's not impossible that people enjoy the mechanic. What is ridiculous though is that they never understand why noobs don't like being ganked by players they have no chance of fighting. What's even more ridiculous? The fact they call those who don't like being ganked by those 20 levels above them cowards.
IMO Noob ganking is a sure sign of a bad game, or a bad player. Either A: the game has no top level pvp going on, or B: the player can't compete in their own range of PVP.
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