In this kind of situation isn't the mother a codefendent for endangering the child by exposing the child to the game in the first place. Parenting would become a lot better if more penalties were forced on parents. They do not take parenting seriously. Contributory negligence for the tort committed on her son by the dumbass adult man.
I am not speaking from my nether regions either I am a mother myself and my kids are adults now.
Facebook does not have to be direct friending he might have friended people who play the games as a group without realisng the man he defeated was one of them. This actually furthur reinforces my complete faith in putting every scrap of information about me in the facebook as false. I still check up on my own friends while falsifying my own data.
Question is how did he find the kid that is what I want to hear did he track him through face book or some social site, another question is if so why didn't the parents teach the kid not to give out personal details that could be used to track them on the internet or the social networks?
Rule #20 Nothing is to be taken seriously, if people follow this more there would be less issues.
Most people, me included, agree that more respect needs to be maintained online and the only way for that to happen is for people who are constantly shit talking online to get into shit for doing it. And the ONLY way for that to happen, is if it's mandatory to have your real name and address on forums; you shit talk, you get your ass kicked.
Now, the only problem is when the roles are reversed; the kid was not 13, and was in fact someone with a few knives or guns, but....meh.
Still your topic proofs i would never reveal my true identity to anyone on internet.
So this is EXACTLY why not implement Real ID and so many more reasons why not but thats to long to even explain why not, i serieus doub you would understand why not?
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Most people, me included, agree that more respect needs to be maintained online and the only way for that to happen is for people who are constantly shit talking online to get into shit for doing it. And the ONLY way for that to happen, is if it's mandatory to have your real name and address on forums; you shit talk, you get your ass kicked.
Totally daft idea. The kid could potentially have been killed for no more than ridiculing the guy's play style. If you can't handle someone taking the piss out of you, go take up flower arranging or embroidery. I've been gaming online since the days of the BBS, pre-Internet, and nobody on the Internet has pissed me off yet because I'm a mature adult.
Most people, me included, agree that more respect needs to be maintained online and the only way for that to happen is for people who are constantly shit talking online to get into shit for doing it. And the ONLY way for that to happen, is if it's mandatory to have your real name and address on forums; you shit talk, you get your ass kicked.
Now, the only problem is when the roles are reversed; the kid was not 13, and was in fact someone with a few knives or guns, but....meh.
This is why real id is not implemented: You don't deserve any respect.
In the end this has nothing to do with Real ID or Crazies. Having your first and last name displayed to other players is nothing, especially for children who have little online record. Crazies have and always will exist.
The problem here was that this boy displayed his address publically to someone he does not know well. Maybe his parents did not teach him properly to keep this information to himself and good friends. He might have just been stupid and did it without his parents permission. Hopefully parents read this though and it reminds them of how important it is to speak to your children about these things to help make sure they are as safe as possible.
In the end this has nothing to do with Real ID or Crazies. Having your first and last name displayed to other players is nothing, especially for children who have little online record. Crazies have and always will exist.
The problem here was that this boy displayed his address publically to someone he does not know well. Maybe his parents did not teach him properly to keep this information to himself and good friends. He might have just been stupid and did it without his parents permission. Hopefully parents read this though and it reminds them of how important it is to speak to your children about these things to help make sure they are as safe as possible.
The problem lies in modern networks asking you to display more and more info (mainly social networks though even gaming networks like "origin" try it too) and as a child you might not be as cautious as you should. People get on these stuff younger and younger. And the name is enough for someone to find you on these networks were you might have put your adress and such. Remember what they did on WoW, a mod (or was it GM?) put his name on the forum and before he knew it someone called him at his office. But yes, showing your name does nothing, right?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
I want internet accountability, but RealID isn't the way to change things. Showing everyone on the internet your personal information? What a disaster.
I want an internet-wide database of people that is opaque to everyone except law enforcement. And even law enforcement needs a warrant to go in there to see specific private details. When I play a game or use any service, I must use one of those database identities. The company I present it to can't see any of the details unless I authorize it. If used universally, I wouldn't have to show them much of anything. They can charge my identity without seeing its details, and money would just show up in their account. They don't need my home address, name and credit card number.
If I then violate terms of use of a game or other service, then whoever defined those terms can point at my database entry and tag it with a red flag. Anytime I show up and try to use their service with that identity, they'll look at the database and see that red flag. No service use for me until they remove it.
Get all the gaming companies to respect the same red flag and somebody who acts up in one game simply cannot game online anymore. Or not until the ban duration ends. A time out, if you will. Additional offenses pile up until you're facing bans of a year or more.
The great challenge is in coming up with a secure identity system for users of the internet. It would require some kind of state-sponsored identification program such as passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, etc. presented in person. Eventually, biometrics and whatever else comes down the road would be used. Internet identity would become as critical as your national identity. Given the importance of the internet, that only makes sense to me.
Obviously, that's a huge investment to get some responsible behavior out of gamers.
Originally posted by JB47394 I want internet accountability, but RealID isn't the way to change things. Showing everyone on the internet your personal information? What a disaster. I want an internet-wide database of people that is opaque to everyone except law enforcement. And even law enforcement needs a warrant to go in there to see specific private details. When I play a game or use any service, I must use one of those database identities. The company I present it to can't see any of the details unless I authorize it. If used universally, I wouldn't have to show them much of anything. They can charge my identity without seeing its details, and money would just show up in their account. They don't need my home address, name and credit card number. If I then violate terms of use of a game or other service, then whoever defined those terms can point at my database entry and tag it with a red flag. Anytime I show up and try to use their service with that identity, they'll look at the database and see that red flag. No service use for me until they remove it. Get all the gaming companies to respect the same red flag and somebody who acts up in one game simply cannot game online anymore. Or not until the ban duration ends. A time out, if you will. Additional offenses pile up until you're facing bans of a year or more. The great challenge is in coming up with a secure identity system for users of the internet. It would require some kind of state-sponsored identification program such as passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, etc. presented in person. Eventually, biometrics and whatever else comes down the road would be used. Internet identity would become as critical as your national identity. Given the importance of the internet, that only makes sense to me. Obviously, that's a huge investment to get some responsible behavior out of gamers.
Yeah, that wouldn't work. For one, it would be run by people, so there would be leaks. For another...well, that's the only problem you need with it. If you put a system in place that depends on being able to trust a large number of people, it will fail.
In this particular case, the solution is that the adult should not have done what he did. Since it's in the news, I assume he's been charged with a crime and will face some sort of penalty while the court system laughs at him for doing something so stupid over a video game. That's a solution of sorts, but it's not really all that ideal.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I bet that kid will think twice before being a jerk again. It's sad that it has to come to physical violence for the kid to learn some manners though.
Obviously what he did was not okay. I mean come on, when is strangling ever okay. But you have to admit, had he just yelled at him and made him pee his pants it'd have been 100% win and the hero of many like epic beard man.
To those saying this shows how bad RealID is, consider for a second the devil's advocate. If people know your real name and can find where you live, maybe you won't be so inclined to act in a deplorable fashion under the guise of anonymity.
What I'd be concerned about with RealID isn't cases like this where it was antagonized to happen but cases where there really is a mentally unstable person who thinks you wronged them when you didn't, that's the problem with RealID, not this.
It's pretty obvious to me that had the kid not been a total d-bag and just killed him, given the obligatory gloat and then moved on then the guy would not have lost it and tracked him down.
SERIOUSLY????
This entire thread was made to show this incident as a case BACKING Real ID ? This is the most rediculous thread I have ever seen in my life. The logic is so backwards here I cant even believe what Im reading.
A grown man. A GROWN MAN......phsychotically hunts down a little kid, and tries to strangle him. And this is why Real ID is a good thing.
Unbelievable. That...right there...is why REAL ID should never be implimented. No child deserves to be attacked by an adult because they were "mad". I dont care what that kid said to him. I dont care if that kid insulted the guys entire family and said the worst things imaginable. If I saw a grown man hurting a little kid? I would pounce that guy and pound his face into mush and would not stop until he quit moving.
You people saying the kid deserved it? You've once again made me loose faith in humanity. Like I said, unbelievable.
I 100% agree with you, BUT......I also think that PARENTS need to teach their children respect and not to behave like thugs. No, the fact that the kid was a derelict and probably simply stupid as well, is not an excuse for a grown man to go beat his face in (or strangle him, or anything else), however....it's also a fact in the case. The parents should have taught their child better. This won't be the only time the kid gets bullied if he is a bully himself.
I'm sure the adult in the situation will get justice and do time for assault, among other things, but I certainly hope that the parents will wake the fuck up and realize what their kid is doing online so that there aren't any OTHER kids or adults that come after him.
It's a 13-year-old kid flaming and mocking in a video game?
Wait a sec, how's that special?
And a 42-year old unemployed loser with anger management problems snapped?
Wait a sec, how's that special?
13-year olds are supposed to be idiots and middle-aged unemployed CoD players are frustrated. Nothing to see here, happens every day, just that only a fraction of people is dumb enough to ruin their lives for this.
Doesn't make it any more spectacular. Have fun with the social stigma of being a criminal, dad...
Yeah, that wouldn't work. For one, it would be run by people, so there would be leaks. For another...well, that's the only problem you need with it. If you put a system in place that depends on being able to trust a large number of people, it will fail.
All systems are run by people, ergo no system 'works' according to that definition. Yet we still have credit cards, banks, employers and so on.
The system described requires no trust per se. The system implicitly assumes that people are not trustworthy, which is why it takes involvement of the justice system to get to any information out that you didn't put into the system or that wasn't authorized for your access. RealID is providing unrestricted access to certain data and requires trust of every person on the internet.
Not letting authorities into that system would not work. All a cop has to do is make an account under his own name and voila they have access to the file.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Not letting authorities into that system would not work. All a cop has to do is make an account under his own name and voila they have access to the file.
Venge
and how would you/they prove that is really the cop?? lets face it people impersonate others all the time. you see it in games like DFO and other alliance PVP games someone will make an alt with a name similar to the person they want to ruin and voila...
you really think its hard to impersonate a cop online?? O_o
in that case
hello, I am constable SeeMore Butts you are under arrest...
Not letting authorities into that system would not work. All a cop has to do is make an account under his own name and voila they have access to the file.
Venge
and how would you/they prove that is really the cop?? lets face it people impersonate others all the time. you see it in games like DFO and other alliance PVP games someone will make an alt with a name similar to the person they want to ruin and voila...
you really think its hard to impersonate a cop online?? O_o
in that case
hello, I am constable SeeMore Butts you are under arrest...
Thats exactly what I am saying. The plan was to open it to people in the game or whatever but authorities would need a warrant to access it. They wouldn't need one at all, they would not need to get anyones permission to view it, they could just make an account themselves.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I have a ten year old brother who plays Call Of Duty and talks smack to people who I'm sure would like nothing more than to end him. I honestly don't know if I could blame the guy, what he did was wrong, but sometimes people just lose it.
I'm honestly more interested in how the guy found the kid, did the kid just tell him where to find him thinking nothing would happen? If he did, he kinda had it coming and this is probably going to keep him from mouthing off.
I'm not saying the guy was in the right, just saying the kid should shut his mouth.
Thats exactly what I am saying. The plan was to open it to people in the game or whatever but authorities would need a warrant to access it. They wouldn't need one at all, they would not need to get anyones permission to view it, they could just make an account themselves.
This is about personal information, not in-game character stats and such. You can see your personal information and nobody else's. Name, address, phone number, credit history, etc. That applies to police, soldiers, your cousin and the President of the United States. You can't see their personal information and they can't see yours. The only way your personal information can be obtained without your permission would be through legal process. I claim that it should require a warrant, but it could be as vague as Probable Cause, however that would be applied.
In a game setting, other people can see whatever in-game information the game allows them to see. Your character, its possessions, etc. But a game can't show your identity information to anyone because the game operators don't have it. As far as they're concerned, you're identity #3958792345.
The goal of the system is to protect your personal information while still allowing you to use internet services such as games, discussion forums, etc. On top of that, companies can take action against you to the extent they control a given service. If a forum operator is upset with your antics, they ban you. They don't know who you are, but they can reliably prevent you from using their service because you're always identity #3958792345 to them. They can also reward you for using their service. They can just hand you $10 and it'll go into your bank account. They won't know anything about who you are or what bank you use. All they know is that they like you and can make you $10 richer.
Without the protection of the system, for you to get the $10 reward you'd have to hand over personal information. They'd have to have it in order to give you the money. Even with the protection, a company could say "We will give you $10 on the condition that you let us know your date of birth and state of residence." That can even be assembled as a strict online contract where as soon as you push the buttons to allow the company to see your date of birth and state of residence, $10 shows up in your account. You decide how important your privacy is.
Thats exactly what I am saying. The plan was to open it to people in the game or whatever but authorities would need a warrant to access it. They wouldn't need one at all, they would not need to get anyones permission to view it, they could just make an account themselves.
This is about personal information, not in-game character stats and such. You can see your personal information and nobody else's. Name, address, phone number, credit history, etc. That applies to police, soldiers, your cousin and the President of the United States. You can't see their personal information and they can't see yours. The only way your personal information can be obtained without your permission would be through legal process. I claim that it should require a warrant, but it could be as vague as Probable Cause, however that would be applied.
In a game setting, other people can see whatever in-game information the game allows them to see. Your character, its possessions, etc. But a game can't show your identity information to anyone because the game operators don't have it. As far as they're concerned, you're identity #3958792345.
The goal of the system is to protect your personal information while still allowing you to use internet services such as games, discussion forums, etc. On top of that, companies can take action against you to the extent they control a given service. If a forum operator is upset with your antics, they ban you. They don't know who you are, but they can reliably prevent you from using their service because you're always identity #3958792345 to them. They can also reward you for using their service. They can just hand you $10 and it'll go into your bank account. They won't know anything about who you are or what bank you use. All they know is that they like you and can make you $10 richer.
Without the protection of the system, for you to get the $10 reward you'd have to hand over personal information. They'd have to have it in order to give you the money. Even with the protection, a company could say "We will give you $10 on the condition that you let us know your date of birth and state of residence." That can even be assembled as a strict online contract where as soon as you push the buttons to allow the company to see your date of birth and state of residence, $10 shows up in your account. You decide how important your privacy is.
"This is about personal information, not in-game character stats and such. You can see your personal information and nobody else's. Name, address, phone number, credit history, etc. That applies to police, soldiers, your cousin and the President of the United States. You can't see their personal information and they can't see yours. The only way your personal information can be obtained without your permission would be through legal process. I claim that it should require a warrant, but it could be as vague as Probable Cause, however that would be applied.
In a game setting, other people can see whatever in-game information the game allows them to see. Your character, its possessions, etc. But a game can't show your identity information to anyone because the game operators don't have it. As far as they're concerned, you're identity #3958792345."
2. Many Games allready have the ability to see stats or whatever. And when you sign up for a game especially a p2p game you give them your information - the cops allready need a warrant to access that. All you are doing is now not giving it to the game company but some third company - nothing has changed as far as the warrant goes.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I have a ten year old brother who plays Call Of Duty and talks smack to people who I'm sure would like nothing more than to end him. I honestly don't know if I could blame the guy, what he did was wrong, but sometimes people just lose it.
I'm honestly more interested in how the guy found the kid, did the kid just tell him where to find him thinking nothing would happen? If he did, he kinda had it coming and this is probably going to keep him from mouthing off.
I'm not saying the guy was in the right, just saying the kid should shut his mouth.
You want to end your brother?
woah
Do you think a normal person can 'lose it' for long enough to track down the address?
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Originally posted by JB47394 Originally posted by lizardbones
Yeah, that wouldn't work. For one, it would be run by people, so there would be leaks. For another...well, that's the only problem you need with it. If you put a system in place that depends on being able to trust a large number of people, it will fail.
All systems are run by people, ergo no system 'works' according to that definition. Yet we still have credit cards, banks, employers and so on. The system described requires no trust per se. The system implicitly assumes that people are not trustworthy, which is why it takes involvement of the justice system to get to any information out that you didn't put into the system or that wasn't authorized for your access. RealID is providing unrestricted access to certain data and requires trust of every person on the internet.
What?
RealID was Blizzard's plan to have people's Blizzard accounts tied to a real name.
The closest you're going to get to that is Google+. Which "every person on the internet" is not going to participate in.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I have a ten year old brother who plays Call Of Duty and talks smack to people who I'm sure would like nothing more than to end him. I honestly don't know if I could blame the guy, what he did was wrong, but sometimes people just lose it.
I'm honestly more interested in how the guy found the kid, did the kid just tell him where to find him thinking nothing would happen? If he did, he kinda had it coming and this is probably going to keep him from mouthing off.
I'm not saying the guy was in the right, just saying the kid should shut his mouth.
You want to end your brother?
woah
Do you think a normal person can 'lose it' for long enough to track down the address?
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In this kind of situation isn't the mother a codefendent for endangering the child by exposing the child to the game in the first place. Parenting would become a lot better if more penalties were forced on parents. They do not take parenting seriously. Contributory negligence for the tort committed on her son by the dumbass adult man.
I am not speaking from my nether regions either I am a mother myself and my kids are adults now.
Facebook does not have to be direct friending he might have friended people who play the games as a group without realisng the man he defeated was one of them. This actually furthur reinforces my complete faith in putting every scrap of information about me in the facebook as false. I still check up on my own friends while falsifying my own data.
This is exactly why it pays to be Anonymous on the Internet, and know the rules of the Internet...
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Question is how did he find the kid that is what I want to hear did he track him through face book or some social site, another question is if so why didn't the parents teach the kid not to give out personal details that could be used to track them on the internet or the social networks?
Rule #20 Nothing is to be taken seriously, if people follow this more there would be less issues.
This has nothing to do with Real ID, it has everything to do with the kids parents and the kid himself allowing strangers to see his home address.
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Still your topic proofs i would never reveal my true identity to anyone on internet.
So this is EXACTLY why not implement Real ID and so many more reasons why not but thats to long to even explain why not, i serieus doub you would understand why not?
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Totally daft idea. The kid could potentially have been killed for no more than ridiculing the guy's play style. If you can't handle someone taking the piss out of you, go take up flower arranging or embroidery. I've been gaming online since the days of the BBS, pre-Internet, and nobody on the Internet has pissed me off yet because I'm a mature adult.
This is why real id is not implemented: You don't deserve any respect.
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Is it true he crushed the boy's larynx ?
In the end this has nothing to do with Real ID or Crazies. Having your first and last name displayed to other players is nothing, especially for children who have little online record. Crazies have and always will exist.
The problem here was that this boy displayed his address publically to someone he does not know well. Maybe his parents did not teach him properly to keep this information to himself and good friends. He might have just been stupid and did it without his parents permission. Hopefully parents read this though and it reminds them of how important it is to speak to your children about these things to help make sure they are as safe as possible.
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The problem lies in modern networks asking you to display more and more info (mainly social networks though even gaming networks like "origin" try it too) and as a child you might not be as cautious as you should. People get on these stuff younger and younger. And the name is enough for someone to find you on these networks were you might have put your adress and such. Remember what they did on WoW, a mod (or was it GM?) put his name on the forum and before he knew it someone called him at his office. But yes, showing your name does nothing, right?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
I want internet accountability, but RealID isn't the way to change things. Showing everyone on the internet your personal information? What a disaster.
I want an internet-wide database of people that is opaque to everyone except law enforcement. And even law enforcement needs a warrant to go in there to see specific private details. When I play a game or use any service, I must use one of those database identities. The company I present it to can't see any of the details unless I authorize it. If used universally, I wouldn't have to show them much of anything. They can charge my identity without seeing its details, and money would just show up in their account. They don't need my home address, name and credit card number.
If I then violate terms of use of a game or other service, then whoever defined those terms can point at my database entry and tag it with a red flag. Anytime I show up and try to use their service with that identity, they'll look at the database and see that red flag. No service use for me until they remove it.
Get all the gaming companies to respect the same red flag and somebody who acts up in one game simply cannot game online anymore. Or not until the ban duration ends. A time out, if you will. Additional offenses pile up until you're facing bans of a year or more.
The great challenge is in coming up with a secure identity system for users of the internet. It would require some kind of state-sponsored identification program such as passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, etc. presented in person. Eventually, biometrics and whatever else comes down the road would be used. Internet identity would become as critical as your national identity. Given the importance of the internet, that only makes sense to me.
Obviously, that's a huge investment to get some responsible behavior out of gamers.
Yeah, that wouldn't work. For one, it would be run by people, so there would be leaks. For another...well, that's the only problem you need with it. If you put a system in place that depends on being able to trust a large number of people, it will fail.
In this particular case, the solution is that the adult should not have done what he did. Since it's in the news, I assume he's been charged with a crime and will face some sort of penalty while the court system laughs at him for doing something so stupid over a video game. That's a solution of sorts, but it's not really all that ideal.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I 100% agree with you, BUT......I also think that PARENTS need to teach their children respect and not to behave like thugs. No, the fact that the kid was a derelict and probably simply stupid as well, is not an excuse for a grown man to go beat his face in (or strangle him, or anything else), however....it's also a fact in the case. The parents should have taught their child better. This won't be the only time the kid gets bullied if he is a bully himself.
I'm sure the adult in the situation will get justice and do time for assault, among other things, but I certainly hope that the parents will wake the fuck up and realize what their kid is doing online so that there aren't any OTHER kids or adults that come after him.
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It's a 13-year-old kid flaming and mocking in a video game?
Wait a sec, how's that special?
And a 42-year old unemployed loser with anger management problems snapped?
Wait a sec, how's that special?
13-year olds are supposed to be idiots and middle-aged unemployed CoD players are frustrated. Nothing to see here, happens every day, just that only a fraction of people is dumb enough to ruin their lives for this.
Doesn't make it any more spectacular. Have fun with the social stigma of being a criminal, dad...
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All systems are run by people, ergo no system 'works' according to that definition. Yet we still have credit cards, banks, employers and so on.
The system described requires no trust per se. The system implicitly assumes that people are not trustworthy, which is why it takes involvement of the justice system to get to any information out that you didn't put into the system or that wasn't authorized for your access. RealID is providing unrestricted access to certain data and requires trust of every person on the internet.
Not letting authorities into that system would not work. All a cop has to do is make an account under his own name and voila they have access to the file.
Venge
and how would you/they prove that is really the cop?? lets face it people impersonate others all the time. you see it in games like DFO and other alliance PVP games someone will make an alt with a name similar to the person they want to ruin and voila...
you really think its hard to impersonate a cop online?? O_o
in that case
hello, I am constable SeeMore Butts you are under arrest...
Thats exactly what I am saying. The plan was to open it to people in the game or whatever but authorities would need a warrant to access it. They wouldn't need one at all, they would not need to get anyones permission to view it, they could just make an account themselves.
I have a ten year old brother who plays Call Of Duty and talks smack to people who I'm sure would like nothing more than to end him. I honestly don't know if I could blame the guy, what he did was wrong, but sometimes people just lose it.
I'm honestly more interested in how the guy found the kid, did the kid just tell him where to find him thinking nothing would happen? If he did, he kinda had it coming and this is probably going to keep him from mouthing off.
I'm not saying the guy was in the right, just saying the kid should shut his mouth.
This is about personal information, not in-game character stats and such. You can see your personal information and nobody else's. Name, address, phone number, credit history, etc. That applies to police, soldiers, your cousin and the President of the United States. You can't see their personal information and they can't see yours. The only way your personal information can be obtained without your permission would be through legal process. I claim that it should require a warrant, but it could be as vague as Probable Cause, however that would be applied.
In a game setting, other people can see whatever in-game information the game allows them to see. Your character, its possessions, etc. But a game can't show your identity information to anyone because the game operators don't have it. As far as they're concerned, you're identity #3958792345.
The goal of the system is to protect your personal information while still allowing you to use internet services such as games, discussion forums, etc. On top of that, companies can take action against you to the extent they control a given service. If a forum operator is upset with your antics, they ban you. They don't know who you are, but they can reliably prevent you from using their service because you're always identity #3958792345 to them. They can also reward you for using their service. They can just hand you $10 and it'll go into your bank account. They won't know anything about who you are or what bank you use. All they know is that they like you and can make you $10 richer.
Without the protection of the system, for you to get the $10 reward you'd have to hand over personal information. They'd have to have it in order to give you the money. Even with the protection, a company could say "We will give you $10 on the condition that you let us know your date of birth and state of residence." That can even be assembled as a strict online contract where as soon as you push the buttons to allow the company to see your date of birth and state of residence, $10 shows up in your account. You decide how important your privacy is.
"This is about personal information, not in-game character stats and such. You can see your personal information and nobody else's. Name, address, phone number, credit history, etc. That applies to police, soldiers, your cousin and the President of the United States. You can't see their personal information and they can't see yours. The only way your personal information can be obtained without your permission would be through legal process. I claim that it should require a warrant, but it could be as vague as Probable Cause, however that would be applied.
In a game setting, other people can see whatever in-game information the game allows them to see. Your character, its possessions, etc. But a game can't show your identity information to anyone because the game operators don't have it. As far as they're concerned, you're identity #3958792345."
2. Many Games allready have the ability to see stats or whatever. And when you sign up for a game especially a p2p game you give them your information - the cops allready need a warrant to access that. All you are doing is now not giving it to the game company but some third company - nothing has changed as far as the warrant goes.
Venge
You want to end your brother?
woah
Do you think a normal person can 'lose it' for long enough to track down the address?
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
The system described requires no trust per se. The system implicitly assumes that people are not trustworthy, which is why it takes involvement of the justice system to get to any information out that you didn't put into the system or that wasn't authorized for your access. RealID is providing unrestricted access to certain data and requires trust of every person on the internet.
What?
RealID was Blizzard's plan to have people's Blizzard accounts tied to a real name.
The closest you're going to get to that is Google+. Which "every person on the internet" is not going to participate in.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I never said I wanted to end my brother.
And you have a point...
what
This is the exact reason RealID should never be implemented.
ANONIMITY PROTECTS YOU FROM THOSE KILLERS.
I didn't go through the thread but I can't be the only one who sees the flaw in the OP.
The main reason people opposed RealID is beause of thing like this that would start happening when people know who you are.
thank God.. I'm not the only one who sees the real issue