I would submit that we already had such a person : Raph Koster*.
Unfortunately the big money grubbers at EA and SOE didn't want anything to do with innovation and immersive gameplay; they wanted tons and tons of button mashing zombies paying a monthly fee.
* I mean this in the spirit that the OP presented, not the literal reality of Steve Jobs' management and "innovation".
This was pretty much required reading for new devs in the middle 00's. Can't say they all completely agreed with him, many of his contemporaries did not. A good game, according to him, is "one that teaches everything it has to offer before the player stops playing."(p. 46)--which leads to several questionable design paths. See WoW post-2005..
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
All I see is the same trend some of you would say about Blizzard! Another successful company to bitch and whine about.
How does it feel to be a grown up and a big baby?
I swear his recent news has brought out the worst in people on this site.
This is a gaming site. Versatility, modularity and upgrades are the lifeblood of this type of entertainment. Apple products are the antithesis of those concepts. In this sphere form means squat and getting the most bang from your box is the most important thing.
Also...for me personally: People die everyday in hideous ways and in bad situations who I will never know. Steve Jobs was just another man, like countless before him. I understand he was a successfull business person but I see no reason for veneration.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy. ______________________________ "This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
All I see is the same trend some of you would say about Blizzard! Another successful company to bitch and whine about.
How does it feel to be a grown up and a big baby?
I swear his recent news has brought out the worst in people on this site.
This is a gaming site. Versatility, modularity and upgrades are the lifeblood of this type of entertainment. Apple products are the antithesis of those concepts. In this sphere form means squat and getting the most bang from your box is the most important thing.
Also...for me personally: People die everyday in hideous ways and in bad situations who I will never know. Steve Jobs was just another man, like countless before him. I understand he was a successfull business person but I see no reason for veneration.
Sorry, I was completely blindside by your fancy words!
Every business will never be on the same level, some maybe models for anothers. Do you have to agree on how they choose to run their business? No. But millions of other poeple are still buying their products and are enjoying it.
Did I say anything about honor him or respecting him? Alright so you don't know him nor do I. Seeing he is a starnger to both of us, there is this thing called common courtesy "how to treat strangers considerately."
Sounds like you would ignore someone in need of help or rather then helping you'd pull out your iPhone record everything then post on Youtube.
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
Much respect for Steve but a carbon copy of him is the last thing the MMO space needs. All we would get is another spin on a tried and true formula such as WoW with more social interaction options, a fancy gui & control options (maybe touch screen controls ?) and a higher purchase price and subscription price with a cash shop.
the MMO genre of gaming could move a lot more progressively with more Indie and small team developers who are willing to take risks and reshape the market. Look at how Indie studios have influenced other gaming genres mainlyon PC but increasingly through Xbox live and PSN.
I would love a Mount & Blade MMO for example & I think it could be done. Their quasi alternative world populated by the more recognisable medi-evil factions of our own History is a great IP and one I think would make a great MMO and the games systems are unique in the RPG space and would be quite ground breaking when brought to the MMORPG space.
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
To the contrary, Apple has brought a decent number of innovations to the marketplace. Apple didn't invent the GUI or the mouse, or more recently the tablet, but they were the first to make them commercially viable. Apple has brought quite a few other innovations to the marketplace, too, some of which didn't catch on--and others of which shouldn't have.
Apple's business strategy has long been to do something that no one else is doing well, and then charge a large price for it, as they can get away with it temporarily due to the lack of competition. Once better competition arrives, keep charging high prices in the hopes that you'll get repeat customers who don't realize that you can get basically the same thing much cheaper elsewhere.
No one buys a Mac today on a bang for the buck argument. No one even buys one in pursuit of a high end system, in spite of the high end price tag. But some people do still buy them. Give it a few years and the same will be true of the iPad.
Steve was a visionary, and he had one company and did what he loved doing. The MMORPG industry operates in a totally different perspective. It is not a single identity, it doesn't have a single company that can be undertaken by someone who is willing to do things in a radical new way. That being said, the MMO industry is just fine.
Steve was also a businessman, what he did for apple was take great ideas and products and forced people to pay more for their elegance. This is not a business model that would work for an MMORPG company by no means. Let's leave it at that.
Edit: By the way, most people think Steve Jobs was the inventor or maker of the apple products, which was not the case. He had people make the things, he had no skill in creating code, development of technologies but what he did was he told the people who worked for him what he was looking for, for that reason he was able to get super creative. The MMO industry already has super creative people and art design people that it wouldn't even matter if a guy like that worked for a MMORPG.
All I see is the same trend some of you would say about Blizzard! Another successful company to bitch and whine about.
How does it feel to be a grown up and a big baby?
I swear his recent news has brought out the worst in people on this site.
This is a gaming site. Versatility, modularity and upgrades are the lifeblood of this type of entertainment. Apple products are the antithesis of those concepts. In this sphere form means squat and getting the most bang from your box is the most important thing.
Also...for me personally: People die everyday in hideous ways and in bad situations who I will never know. Steve Jobs was just another man, like countless before him. I understand he was a successfull business person but I see no reason for veneration.
Sorry, i was completely blindside by your fancy words!
Every business will never be on the same level, some maybe models for anothers. Do you have to agree on how they choose to run their business? No. But millions of other poeple are still buying their products and are enjoying it.
Did I say anything about honor him or respecting him? Alright so you don't know him nor do I. Seeing he is a starnger to both of us, there is this called common courtesy "how to treat strangers considerately."
Sounds like you would ignore someone in need of help or rather then helping you'd pull out your iPhone record everything then post on Youtube.
to the red: how is it common courtesy to lie about what you think of someone and what he has done ?
and as for the very last sentance that is a personaly attack against him that has no supporting evidence. if i cried about everything and everyone (and felt sadness for them) that died every day i would be parylized and in the fetal position crying forever. he never said he would ignore someone dieing right in front of him as your comment seems to suggest. nor does his post show any signs of heartlessness that i can see.
as for the rest of Leethe's statement i agree.
p.s. the Antithesis of something is essentialy its opposite.
All I see is the same trend some of you would say about Blizzard! Another successful company to bitch and whine about.
How does it feel to be a grown up and a big baby?
I swear his recent news has brought out the worst in people on this site.
This is a gaming site. Versatility, modularity and upgrades are the lifeblood of this type of entertainment. Apple products are the antithesis of those concepts. In this sphere form means squat and getting the most bang from your box is the most important thing.
Also...for me personally: People die everyday in hideous ways and in bad situations who I will never know. Steve Jobs was just another man, like countless before him. I understand he was a successfull business person but I see no reason for veneration.
Sorry, I was completely blindside by your fancy words!
Every business will never be on the same level, some maybe models for anothers. Do you have to agree on how they choose to run their business? No. But millions of other poeple are still buying their products and are enjoying it.
Did I say anything about honor him or respecting him? Alright so you don't know him nor do I. Seeing he is a starnger to both of us, there is this thing called common courtesy "how to treat strangers considerately."
Sounds like you would ignore someone in need of help or rather then helping you'd pull out your iPhone record everything then post on Youtube.
I help people in need frequently (it's part of my job so I don't have to try so hard when not working.) and I use a blackberry. It amuses me that you think anything said here is a reflection of my altruistic capacity.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy. ______________________________ "This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
To the contrary, Apple has brought a decent number of innovations to the marketplace. Apple didn't invent the GUI or the mouse, or more recently the tablet, but they were the first to make them commercially viable. Apple has brought quite a few other innovations to the marketplace, too, some of which didn't catch on--and others of which shouldn't have.
Apple's business strategy has long been to do something that no one else is doing well, and then charge a large price for it, as they can get away with it temporarily due to the lack of competition. Once better competition arrives, keep charging high prices in the hopes that you'll get repeat customers who don't realize that you can get basically the same thing much cheaper elsewhere.
No one buys a Mac today on a bang for the buck argument. No one even buys one in pursuit of a high end system, in spite of the high end price tag. But some people do still buy them. Give it a few years and the same will be true of the iPad.
Sorry lol, I'll stick with reality. He took existing products and dumbed them down. Made as much of it as proprietary as possible. Used bully tactics on those actually innovating to try and scare them out of the running and then marketed these products to the lowest common denominator all the while charging em more for a product that does less.
Thats the reality. He was a marketing genius and nothing more.
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
Whats worse? Letting the truth of the situation paint him as an "Evil Tyrant Emporer" or trying to gloss over every thing and portray him as the sole driving force behind technology?
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
One thing that you most definitely can't link apple with is lots of flash.
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
Whats worse? Letting the truth of the situation paint him as an "Evil Tyrant Emporer" or trying to gloss over every thing and portray him as the sole driving force behind technology?
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
The difference being that none of the others were so vocal about claiming that they owned any and all rights to all capacitive touch screen technology.
That would be like Apple starting a themepark MMO that ended up with 15 million subs, then taking out a government patent on the little ! icon just because their version of it made the most money.
This genre has incredible potential, as gaming, as virtuality experiencing medium, as a storytelling medium, etc. But it is stagnant (this is an understatement). It needs somebody who does things differently. Who does things the right way. It needs a genious.
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
One thing that you most definitely can't link apple with is lots of flash.
Even if no one else catches the joke or enjoys it I did :P
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
The difference being that none of the others were so vocal about claiming that they owned any and all rights to all capacitive touch screen technology.
That would be like Apple starting a themepark MMO that ended up with 15 million subs, then taking out a government patent on the little ! icon just because their version of it made the most money.
They would patent tab targeting and the look and feel the docked action bar at the botton of the screen.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy. ______________________________ "This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
I love how some of you are painting Steve Jobs as some evil person who stole everyones ideas and sues anyone who dares to make anything similar.
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
The difference being that none of the others were so vocal about claiming that they owned any and all rights to all capacitive touch screen technology.
That would be like Apple starting a themepark MMO that ended up with 15 million subs, then taking out a government patent on the little ! icon just because their version of it made the most money.
Yeah and thats business,if youre not going to take the bull by the horns in that situation,then you'll be losing out to someone else.
does that make him a bad person for it? not really.
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That sounds a bit cheap for an Apple product.
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This was pretty much required reading for new devs in the middle 00's. Can't say they all completely agreed with him, many of his contemporaries did not. A good game, according to him, is "one that teaches everything it has to offer before the player stops playing."(p. 46)--which leads to several questionable design paths. See WoW post-2005..
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
That's because you're forgetting about the item mall that you'd alsio need to buy stuff from in order to do well in the game.
An Apple product is cheap enough for almost everybody to buy and expensive enough to make the people who bought it feel like they are rich.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
This is a gaming site. Versatility, modularity and upgrades are the lifeblood of this type of entertainment. Apple products are the antithesis of those concepts. In this sphere form means squat and getting the most bang from your box is the most important thing.
Also...for me personally: People die everyday in hideous ways and in bad situations who I will never know. Steve Jobs was just another man, like countless before him. I understand he was a successfull business person but I see no reason for veneration.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
______________________________
"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
I thought WoW was pretty much the Steve Jobs of MMO's? Lot of flash but no substance. Making a killing on the ideas of others and trying to pass it off as some revolutionary innovation by them :P
Sorry, I was completely blindside by your fancy words!
Every business will never be on the same level, some maybe models for anothers. Do you have to agree on how they choose to run their business? No. But millions of other poeple are still buying their products and are enjoying it.
Did I say anything about honor him or respecting him? Alright so you don't know him nor do I. Seeing he is a starnger to both of us, there is this thing called common courtesy "how to treat strangers considerately."
Sounds like you would ignore someone in need of help or rather then helping you'd pull out your iPhone record everything then post on Youtube.
Much respect for Steve but a carbon copy of him is the last thing the MMO space needs. All we would get is another spin on a tried and true formula such as WoW with more social interaction options, a fancy gui & control options (maybe touch screen controls ?) and a higher purchase price and subscription price with a cash shop.
the MMO genre of gaming could move a lot more progressively with more Indie and small team developers who are willing to take risks and reshape the market. Look at how Indie studios have influenced other gaming genres mainlyon PC but increasingly through Xbox live and PSN.
I would love a Mount & Blade MMO for example & I think it could be done. Their quasi alternative world populated by the more recognisable medi-evil factions of our own History is a great IP and one I think would make a great MMO and the games systems are unique in the RPG space and would be quite ground breaking when brought to the MMORPG space.
To the contrary, Apple has brought a decent number of innovations to the marketplace. Apple didn't invent the GUI or the mouse, or more recently the tablet, but they were the first to make them commercially viable. Apple has brought quite a few other innovations to the marketplace, too, some of which didn't catch on--and others of which shouldn't have.
Apple's business strategy has long been to do something that no one else is doing well, and then charge a large price for it, as they can get away with it temporarily due to the lack of competition. Once better competition arrives, keep charging high prices in the hopes that you'll get repeat customers who don't realize that you can get basically the same thing much cheaper elsewhere.
No one buys a Mac today on a bang for the buck argument. No one even buys one in pursuit of a high end system, in spite of the high end price tag. But some people do still buy them. Give it a few years and the same will be true of the iPad.
Steve was a visionary, and he had one company and did what he loved doing. The MMORPG industry operates in a totally different perspective. It is not a single identity, it doesn't have a single company that can be undertaken by someone who is willing to do things in a radical new way. That being said, the MMO industry is just fine.
Steve was also a businessman, what he did for apple was take great ideas and products and forced people to pay more for their elegance. This is not a business model that would work for an MMORPG company by no means. Let's leave it at that.
Edit: By the way, most people think Steve Jobs was the inventor or maker of the apple products, which was not the case. He had people make the things, he had no skill in creating code, development of technologies but what he did was he told the people who worked for him what he was looking for, for that reason he was able to get super creative. The MMO industry already has super creative people and art design people that it wouldn't even matter if a guy like that worked for a MMORPG.
So we need an mmo that does everything the other mmos do but costs 5x as much?
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
to the red: how is it common courtesy to lie about what you think of someone and what he has done ?
and as for the very last sentance that is a personaly attack against him that has no supporting evidence. if i cried about everything and everyone (and felt sadness for them) that died every day i would be parylized and in the fetal position crying forever. he never said he would ignore someone dieing right in front of him as your comment seems to suggest. nor does his post show any signs of heartlessness that i can see.
as for the rest of Leethe's statement i agree.
p.s. the Antithesis of something is essentialy its opposite.
This. So very this.
I help people in need frequently (it's part of my job so I don't have to try so hard when not working.) and I use a blackberry. It amuses me that you think anything said here is a reflection of my altruistic capacity.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
______________________________
"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Sorry lol, I'll stick with reality. He took existing products and dumbed them down. Made as much of it as proprietary as possible. Used bully tactics on those actually innovating to try and scare them out of the running and then marketed these products to the lowest common denominator all the while charging em more for a product that does less.
Thats the reality. He was a marketing genius and nothing more.
Try to imagine cash shop in apple made mmo
... that would be ... scary ...
When actually, all phone companies were suing each other to try and get a leg up on one another.it wasn't just Apple and
It's 'evil tyrant Emporer' Steve Jobs.
Whats worse? Letting the truth of the situation paint him as an "Evil Tyrant Emporer" or trying to gloss over every thing and portray him as the sole driving force behind technology?
One thing that you most definitely can't link apple with is lots of flash.
Whats worse? Letting the truth of the situation paint him as an "Evil Tyrant Emporer" or trying to gloss over every thing and portray him as the sole driving force behind technology?
I dunno u tell me,U seem to be at one side of those 2 extremes..
The difference being that none of the others were so vocal about claiming that they owned any and all rights to all capacitive touch screen technology.
That would be like Apple starting a themepark MMO that ended up with 15 million subs, then taking out a government patent on the little ! icon just because their version of it made the most money.
Even if no one else catches the joke or enjoys it I did :P
They would patent tab targeting and the look and feel the docked action bar at the botton of the screen.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
______________________________
"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Yeah and thats business,if youre not going to take the bull by the horns in that situation,then you'll be losing out to someone else.
does that make him a bad person for it? not really.