Yeah I really don't understand why this is getting threads and headlines on gaming sites. Nearly every MMO that I have played functions this way. You put in your CC info, they tell you it will not be charged until the 30 days is up and you can cancel at any time, and then you get to play the 30 days.
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Enter your info and then cancel it right away...or don't play. Simple as that.
Yeah I really don't understand why this is getting threads and headlines on gaming sites. Nearly every MMO that I have played functions this way. You put in your CC info, they tell you it will not be charged until the 30 days is up and you can cancel at any time, and then you get to play the 30 days.
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Enter your info and then cancel it right away...or don't play. Simple as that.
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No as I am getting timecards and have bought them on Dec 15th before even realising they were needed. I am not entering CC details and then getting hacked, and they then go off spending my money.
What the main problem is here, none of it is all clear and they do not warn you that you need to enter CC details or get a time card before you enter the registration code
This system is just delaying people from playing, and causing nightmares to those who have entered the reg code already, as Bioware recommended it to be done before Dec 20th
By that logic most MMOs are free to play. Cause most of MMOs have a trial you can play. It has nothing to do with being really F2P and you know it so dont act like a dumbass.
By that logic most MMOs are free to play. Cause most of MMOs have a trial you can play. It has nothing to do with being really F2P and you know it so dont act like a dumbass.
if you dont mind staying level 20 forever wow is ftp, same with warhammer and level 10. both are f2p forever with restrictions on level and content.
I don't see how getting the base client and being allowed to play for as long as you want counts as a "free trial", but sure, whatever you want man. By the same logic the free level of F2P games are also "free trials".
F2P means you NEVER have to pay for the game. Free TRIAL means you can TRY it. If you want to level past lvl 20, you PAY monthly. You're wrong, and I'm betting you're the arrogant type that never admits to it.
I do agree that you should not be required to put your CC number in before your 30 days is up. However it has been this way for as long as I can remember. I had to bug my mother to lend me her CC so I could set up my EQ account long ago. (She was pissed.) I then used Gametime cards after I cancled my payment method.
It is kind of a shitty buisness practice, but it is not an uncommon one. So put your CC in, and stop complaining.
Also would like to add. How dare EA. Making me have to turn my computer on just so i can play this game. I payed 60 some dollars for it. They should beam Starwars goodness straight to my brain via satallite. The nerve of them making me have to have a computer.
If there is one certainty about this thread, it's that there is no MMO industry standard that all publishers/developers have to follow. For the game in question, you know what you have to do to get access to the game.
Complaining about it or saying this way is better than that way is not going to change the minds of EA/BW who have made about a gazillion dollars already. Players in mass have accepted this CC practice and it looks like you might have to as well.
Also, I like the CC requirement as it keeps out yokels who just want to spam gold selling, leaving only the truly profession gold sellers to gank the game. At least I hope some mechanic is in play to keep nefarious yokels from resubscribing to new accounts and abusing the game.
just make a paypal account and register with that. you dont have to have money in the paypal. just put paypal info in, register, play, put in your timecard when it arrives, and shut up already the whining.
I do agree that you should not be required to put your CC number in before your 30 days is up. However it has been this way for as long as I can remember. I had to bug my mother to lend me her CC so I could set up my EQ account long ago. (She was pissed.) I then used Gametime cards after I cancled my payment method.
It is kind of a shitty buisness practice, but it is not an uncommon one. So put your CC in, and stop complaining.
Also would like to add. How dare EA. Making me have to turn my computer on just so i can play this game. I payed 60 some dollars for it. They should beam Starwars goodness straight to my brain via satallite. The nerve of them making me have to have a computer.
I was with you to begin with then it got silly near the end. I wish some sensible people would actually understand the problem of this and pass on problem to Bioware to help future people falling into same trap, instead of posting condascending posts and making the matter worse
It does not matter what others have done, it is what and how Bioware are doing it.
In an email I just get this:
We hope you've been enjoying your time as one of the first to start playing Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. Servers will go live soon. If you have your Product Registration Code, redeem it now to ensure uninterrupted access to your game. If you do not have your game yet, be sure to enter your Product Registration Code as soon as you receive it. The official game launches on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 AM EST.
No mention of having t o enter credit card details or enter time card. You can enter the PRC (Product Registration Code) no problem, and was still able to play until Dec 22nd, and then locked out, AND with your 30 days ticking down still (which can be rectified by contacting support but it is still a hassle and should not be needed)
What they should do is do steps 4 and 5 together, and only accepts the PRC once you have entereed the CC details or Time Card. If you do not enter the CC details or Time Card then the PRC is not redeemed and your 30 days do not tick down.
The fact your 30 days ticks down is the main problem. and is the main complaint of all this and the OP proved in another thread he was losing his 30 days, but another thread popped up on here yesterday saying that customer service can restore those 30 days, but it is all still a hassle.
just make a paypal account and register with that. you dont have to have money in the paypal. just put paypal info in, register, play, put in your timecard when it arrives, and shut up already the whining.
No, that is still not that secure. The safest way to play these days is by Time cards. MMO companies just do not have the security, as it is always MMO companies I keep getting emails from saying they have been compromised, and that CC details and payment details with bank/paypal have been suspected as being stolen
just make a paypal account and register with that. you dont have to have money in the paypal. just put paypal info in, register, play, put in your timecard when it arrives, and shut up already the whining.
No, that is still not that secure. The safest way to play these days is by Time cards. MMO companies just do not have the security, as it is always MMO companies I keep getting emails from saying they have been compromised, and that CC details and payment details with bank/paypal have been suspected as being stolen
Make a paypal account with a fake name, without any bank or debit card or cc details in it, you dont even need it approved. how will that infiltrate your awesome assets?
just make a paypal account and register with that. you dont have to have money in the paypal. just put paypal info in, register, play, put in your timecard when it arrives, and shut up already the whining.
No, that is still not that secure. The safest way to play these days is by Time cards. MMO companies just do not have the security, as it is always MMO companies I keep getting emails from saying they have been compromised, and that CC details and payment details with bank/paypal have been suspected as being stolen
Make a paypal account with a fake name, without any bank or debit card or cc details in it, you dont even need it approved. how will that infiltrate your awesome assets?
paranoia is one great thing.
Not really, as it happened to me on World of Warcraft, my WOW account got hacked a couple of months after I stopped playing, but fortunately as I did not need to enter CC details, and thd code gave me 30 days of play from using just the PRC, I was quite safe from financial ruin. I was not even playing the game, going to any WOW websites or even entering my details any where, and if they managed to hack into my account that easily then would make it completely easy for those that are playing and constantly typing in their login details
If this game is going to be as big as WOW, then SWTOR is at high risk of it happening too.
This year has highlighted the problem greatly.
I am not setting up a false paypal account, that is fraud, and one of the reasons why Bioware wants you to supply CC details or Time Card. It make their requirement for it, even more pointless.
Originally posted by superniceguy I am not setting up a false paypal account, that is fraud, and one of the reasons why Bioware wants you to supply CC details or Time Card. It make their requirement for it, even more pointless.
It is no fraud. Don't be foolish...
You decided not to use standard way of online payment. You decided to trade security for convenience, fair enough. Do not complain about it though, it was your choice.
I am not setting up a false paypal account, that is fraud, and one of the reasons why Bioware wants you to supply CC details or Time Card. It make their requirement for it, even more pointless.
It is no fraud. Don't be foolish...
You decided not to use standard way of online payment. You decided to trade security for convenience, fair enough. Do not complain about it though, it was your choice.
Yes it is fraud. Making an account not in your name is fraud
Personally I do not mind the situation, I can wait. I am mainly fighting for those who have fallen into the trap of redeeming their PRC before Dec 20th, where it was not clear that you needed to put in CC details or Time card as well, and now their 30 days are ticking down. It can be rectified by contacting support, but I can imagine people just accepting it and do not look into the situation and then losing out.
Although having said that I would have ordered from a supplier who had the time cards in stock guaranteed, if I realised that it was a requirement, as I did not think I needed the time Cards until Jan 19th, but now virtually everywhere is out of stock and not prepared to pay more when have already paid $60. The 2 days grace period was for the PRC with the game, not for the Time Cards. None of this was clear with having to supply CC details / time cards, until Stephen Reid posted so on Dec 22nd when it was too late, and now all we get are patronising posts not helping anyone, and more people will fall into this trap, and keep bad mouthing the game for it. The situation needs to be sorted so no one ends up falling into this trap again. If not many people fell into the trap this thread would not have been created.
Originally posted by superniceguy Yes it is fraud. Making an account not in your name is fraud
Fraud is a criminal offense. Lying, unless you are at court, is not.
You are not obliged to provide truthful information. No commercial subject apart from bank has right to ask or verify your private information.
This is of course generalization but I doubt it will vary much across list of democratic countries.
I understand your point and sorry if I sounded harsh but it was discussed enough already, and there is no need to bring it up again.
Yes, I agree that it was indeed not made clear for new players because while it is being standard procedure for new games, it is often not used as heavily on the market due lots of F2P titles and other fee free access programs.
Yes it is fraud. Making an account not in your name is fraud
Fraud is a criminal offense. Lying, unless you are at court, is not.
You are not obliged to provide truthful information. No commercial subject apart from bank has right to ask or verify your private information.
This is of course generalization but I doubt it will vary much across list of democratic countries.
I understand your point and sorry if I sounded harsh but it was discussed enough already, and there is no need to bring it up again.
Yes, I agree that it was indeed not made clear for new players because while it is being standard procedure for new games, it is often not used as heavily on the market due lots of F2P titles and other fee free access programs.
Paypal is monetary service, and if caught out, then could end up in serious trouble, as if you provide false information then the company you are dealing with will not trust your true details, and if Bioware realised that you used false information to gain access to SWTOR, then I would imagine they would close your account(s) and ban you from the game. If they do not, then that means they condone fraudulent activity, which they obviously do not.
SWG and WOW was not F2P last year, and they did not require this. Obviously Bioware just looked at the state years ago, and do not realise that other companies no longer require this.
Also whether it is done beforehand or not, what matters is what Bioware do, and they just encouraged you to enter your PRC before Dec 20th for seamless play, which is not the case at all, you also need to add in payment details as well or a time card for seamless play. It has not affected just new players but also old players too. In the past I have never been confused by what was needed, and it was all clear. This is the first time it has all been confusing, and now locked out because of it. If you are using CC then it is not a problem - you just go with the flow, but if you have been scared by the hacking over the last year and want to use time cards then they have just made it all the more complicated and messy.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
This is standard procedure for any pay to play mmo. Go get your money back (because you can). [mod edit]
Exactly, can not remember any game in last years being sub based. And honestly, I will not mis above author in game.
I would not say it is standard procedure, epsecially the way they have done it with SWTOR - Take the registration key, and then after Eary Access and the grace period is over, the lock you out and 30 days still ticks down. The whole point of allowing time cards is because you do not need to use a credit card. If you want to use time cards then you have to go out and buy one so you can use the 30 days that come with the game, and once that is done, then that is 90 days solid play time you have to stick to.
You should only need to add payment details or a time card once the first 30 days is up, and that is what has been the case in every MMO I have tried over the past recent years. Even in WOW last year I inputed the code that came with the game and was able to play for a month without putting in payment options
Make no mistake, I agree with who complain regarding giving credit card. I never liked giving card if I even do not know if will sub. Card should not be requested at all when somebody have original game with 30 days or so free time. And even later if i.e. using time card. If not for other because somebody can buy game and not have at all credit card (for any reason, one being to young).
But honestly swtor is one of rare games where I'm not bothered because of this. :-)
Awesome game, can not remember when i have last time enjoyed so much. Maybe with wow. Loved a lot also Rift. Still swtor could be on top of the top. :-)
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No as I am getting timecards and have bought them on Dec 15th before even realising they were needed. I am not entering CC details and then getting hacked, and they then go off spending my money.
I have to wait for the timecards to arrive, before I can play. Fortiunately I did not enter the registation code, otherwise my 30 days would be counting down, as explained here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336464/Locked-out-of-the-game-Losing-your-30-box-days-Read-Here.html
What the main problem is here, none of it is all clear and they do not warn you that you need to enter CC details or get a time card before you enter the registration code
This system is just delaying people from playing, and causing nightmares to those who have entered the reg code already, as Bioware recommended it to be done before Dec 20th
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Read the thread before going off on one.
I have bought 2 60 day time cards so $15 is not the issue. They have not arrived in the post yet. DURRR
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By that logic most MMOs are free to play. Cause most of MMOs have a trial you can play. It has nothing to do with being really F2P and you know it so dont act like a dumbass.
if you dont mind staying level 20 forever wow is ftp, same with warhammer and level 10. both are f2p forever with restrictions on level and content.
F2P means you NEVER have to pay for the game. Free TRIAL means you can TRY it. If you want to level past lvl 20, you PAY monthly. You're wrong, and I'm betting you're the arrogant type that never admits to it.
I do agree that you should not be required to put your CC number in before your 30 days is up. However it has been this way for as long as I can remember. I had to bug my mother to lend me her CC so I could set up my EQ account long ago. (She was pissed.) I then used Gametime cards after I cancled my payment method.
It is kind of a shitty buisness practice, but it is not an uncommon one. So put your CC in, and stop complaining.
Also would like to add. How dare EA. Making me have to turn my computer on just so i can play this game. I payed 60 some dollars for it. They should beam Starwars goodness straight to my brain via satallite. The nerve of them making me have to have a computer.
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If there is one certainty about this thread, it's that there is no MMO industry standard that all publishers/developers have to follow. For the game in question, you know what you have to do to get access to the game.
Complaining about it or saying this way is better than that way is not going to change the minds of EA/BW who have made about a gazillion dollars already. Players in mass have accepted this CC practice and it looks like you might have to as well.
Also, I like the CC requirement as it keeps out yokels who just want to spam gold selling, leaving only the truly profession gold sellers to gank the game. At least I hope some mechanic is in play to keep nefarious yokels from resubscribing to new accounts and abusing the game.
just make a paypal account and register with that. you dont have to have money in the paypal. just put paypal info in, register, play, put in your timecard when it arrives, and shut up already the whining.
I was with you to begin with then it got silly near the end. I wish some sensible people would actually understand the problem of this and pass on problem to Bioware to help future people falling into same trap, instead of posting condascending posts and making the matter worse
It does not matter what others have done, it is what and how Bioware are doing it.
In an email I just get this:
We hope you've been enjoying your time as one of the first to start playing Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. Servers will go live soon. If you have your Product Registration Code, redeem it now to ensure uninterrupted access to your game. If you do not have your game yet, be sure to enter your Product Registration Code as soon as you receive it. The official game launches on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 AM EST.
No mention of having t o enter credit card details or enter time card. You can enter the PRC (Product Registration Code) no problem, and was still able to play until Dec 22nd, and then locked out, AND with your 30 days ticking down still (which can be rectified by contacting support but it is still a hassle and should not be needed)
What they should do is do steps 4 and 5 together, and only accepts the PRC once you have entereed the CC details or Time Card. If you do not enter the CC details or Time Card then the PRC is not redeemed and your 30 days do not tick down.
The fact your 30 days ticks down is the main problem. and is the main complaint of all this and the OP proved in another thread he was losing his 30 days, but another thread popped up on here yesterday saying that customer service can restore those 30 days, but it is all still a hassle.
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No, that is still not that secure. The safest way to play these days is by Time cards. MMO companies just do not have the security, as it is always MMO companies I keep getting emails from saying they have been compromised, and that CC details and payment details with bank/paypal have been suspected as being stolen
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Make a paypal account with a fake name, without any bank or debit card or cc details in it, you dont even need it approved. how will that infiltrate your awesome assets?
paranoia is one great thing.
i put my credit card in and got the comfirmation notice but have yet to have any money removed
and i signed up for 3 month payments i think id notice 44$ CND missing from my account.
Not really, as it happened to me on World of Warcraft, my WOW account got hacked a couple of months after I stopped playing, but fortunately as I did not need to enter CC details, and thd code gave me 30 days of play from using just the PRC, I was quite safe from financial ruin. I was not even playing the game, going to any WOW websites or even entering my details any where, and if they managed to hack into my account that easily then would make it completely easy for those that are playing and constantly typing in their login details
If this game is going to be as big as WOW, then SWTOR is at high risk of it happening too.
This year has highlighted the problem greatly.
I am not setting up a false paypal account, that is fraud, and one of the reasons why Bioware wants you to supply CC details or Time Card. It make their requirement for it, even more pointless.
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It is no fraud. Don't be foolish...
You decided not to use standard way of online payment. You decided to trade security for convenience, fair enough. Do not complain about it though, it was your choice.
I signed up for 2 6month accounts (1 for me and 1 for the 'rest of the household'). No money charged as of yet (it was last week when I 'paid').
Yes it is fraud. Making an account not in your name is fraud
Personally I do not mind the situation, I can wait. I am mainly fighting for those who have fallen into the trap of redeeming their PRC before Dec 20th, where it was not clear that you needed to put in CC details or Time card as well, and now their 30 days are ticking down. It can be rectified by contacting support, but I can imagine people just accepting it and do not look into the situation and then losing out.
Although having said that I would have ordered from a supplier who had the time cards in stock guaranteed, if I realised that it was a requirement, as I did not think I needed the time Cards until Jan 19th, but now virtually everywhere is out of stock and not prepared to pay more when have already paid $60. The 2 days grace period was for the PRC with the game, not for the Time Cards. None of this was clear with having to supply CC details / time cards, until Stephen Reid posted so on Dec 22nd when it was too late, and now all we get are patronising posts not helping anyone, and more people will fall into this trap, and keep bad mouthing the game for it. The situation needs to be sorted so no one ends up falling into this trap again. If not many people fell into the trap this thread would not have been created.
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Fraud is a criminal offense. Lying, unless you are at court, is not.
You are not obliged to provide truthful information. No commercial subject apart from bank has right to ask or verify your private information.
This is of course generalization but I doubt it will vary much across list of democratic countries.
I understand your point and sorry if I sounded harsh but it was discussed enough already, and there is no need to bring it up again.
Yes, I agree that it was indeed not made clear for new players because while it is being standard procedure for new games, it is often not used as heavily on the market due lots of F2P titles and other fee free access programs.
Paypal is monetary service, and if caught out, then could end up in serious trouble, as if you provide false information then the company you are dealing with will not trust your true details, and if Bioware realised that you used false information to gain access to SWTOR, then I would imagine they would close your account(s) and ban you from the game. If they do not, then that means they condone fraudulent activity, which they obviously do not.
SWG and WOW was not F2P last year, and they did not require this. Obviously Bioware just looked at the state years ago, and do not realise that other companies no longer require this.
Also whether it is done beforehand or not, what matters is what Bioware do, and they just encouraged you to enter your PRC before Dec 20th for seamless play, which is not the case at all, you also need to add in payment details as well or a time card for seamless play. It has not affected just new players but also old players too. In the past I have never been confused by what was needed, and it was all clear. This is the first time it has all been confusing, and now locked out because of it. If you are using CC then it is not a problem - you just go with the flow, but if you have been scared by the hacking over the last year and want to use time cards then they have just made it all the more complicated and messy.
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Make no mistake, I agree with who complain regarding giving credit card. I never liked giving card if I even do not know if will sub. Card should not be requested at all when somebody have original game with 30 days or so free time. And even later if i.e. using time card. If not for other because somebody can buy game and not have at all credit card (for any reason, one being to young).
But honestly swtor is one of rare games where I'm not bothered because of this. :-)
Awesome game, can not remember when i have last time enjoyed so much. Maybe with wow. Loved a lot also Rift. Still swtor could be on top of the top. :-)