If SWTOR failed so badly, tell us what you are playing now so we can compare!!!

Kwansei · February 2012

Without trying to sound like a troll.. I don't have any idea why anyone cares what anyone else thinks of any game; unless it's one of my friends playing a game with me. All this hullabaloo about ratings and number (only worse casue it lacks any sort of reliable empricial backing) just seems so strange. Then again in this Web 2.0 , American Idol era I guess everyone feels the need to constantly express their opinion (and often times toss it of as "fact").

kostoslav · February 2012

I have a jedi sage lvl27, and I can't log in anymore. I am just too bored, but I don't know why, game is not that bad.

I went back to WoW and LOTRO.

WoW has very beautiful zones, every part of the world is epic. SWTOR zones are nice but they are just too static (for example on Tython-was it so hard to make thouse stupid cows to move)

LOTRO have a great community. (I m on ex eu-rp server) I found LOTRO zones to be very immersive and beautiful too. SWTOR server I am on: Trask Ulgo eu-rp-pve has barrens chat on every planet...

zimmy910 · February 2012

Back to wow ! Leveling a few alts again, hunter, deathknight (both in their 80s now) and a low lvl mage. And having quite a bit of fun.

It actually feels quite open in the options you have, choosing which way to level and in what zone after the very restricted SWTOR experience.

Margulis · February 2012

Originally posted by keithian
I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history and a huge number of subs. It has had almost all positive reviews from professional outlets. In response to that I heard stupid comments like "they were all paid,etc", but prior to this games launch there were certain individuals that couldn't wait to post a negative impression of those same outlets about 1/2 year to a year ago. I guess they are only paid when they don't agree with you.

Throughout the first 30 days, all I heard was how the game was going to drop drastically after the first free month. That hasn't happened despite the duplicate threads here. On the fleet, the numbers at the times I play are just about the exact same as they were a few weeks ago. My guild has just as much or more online at the same time. I have no trouble finding groups. Now I do feel this game has a large room for improvement and I provided that feedback to Bioware, but all in all its a solid MMO to a huge number of people out there.

To those people here who continuously critique TOR, please post the MMO you are playing and loving now or something that you think is better so we can compare it against this game and try to figure out if that game offers so much more in features, choices, story, graphics, innovation etc that this game has to offer. I want to see how those games differ so drastically from the WOW forumula and what made them successful. Just remember we have your forum history to compare against (except those that mysteriously only post here with like 10 posts or so) and the reality of how those games have done up until this point.

As a pretty experienced MMO player, I am more than ready for innovation and the next level of MMO, but denying that this game isn't even a half step up from previous MMOs AT LAUNCH is incomprehensible to me, especially if you prefer PVE!

Oh boy, fanboi rant x10 - Here's what your post really said:

I think SWTOR is the 2nd coming, if you think otherwise you're wrong, and if you disagree post which MMO you think has better anything and I will tell you how you're wrong.

haplo602 · February 2012

EVE Online... for my fantasy themepark fix I fire up DDO or Guild Wars (very rare).

I have not found any MMORPG that has good dungeons that I can spend hours inside. They are usualy for 30m-1h max and then I am at the end.

Atheenah · February 2012

Well, i WOULD be playing SWG instead of SWTOR, that i have un-subbed.

Now, SWG had to CLOSE as per demand from EA to promote SWTOR.

Im sticking to singleplayer games now for a while.

valun · February 2012

Skyrim+LoL+Path Of Exile CBT

Atheenah · February 2012

Originally posted by Atheenah
Well, i WOULD be playing SWG instead of SWTOR, that i have un-subbed.

Now, SWG had to CLOSE as per demand from EA to promote SWTOR.

Im sticking to singleplayer games now for a while.

Speaking of singleplayers, im picked up Jedi Knight Outcast, from the time when LucasArts made good games, and it sure is a lot more fun than SWTOR, haha!

SlickShoes · February 2012

I gave up on TOR after 3 weeks, its the same as every other MMO I have played apart from it has a single player story.

Burnt out on MMO's completely but I will still be visting this website a lot as I like to still keep up with what is going on and obviously watching people have there hopes dashed by every new MMO that comes out.

EDIT: Also the world in SWTOR is so devoid of life its unreal, even in WoW I could believe I was in this world that exists with NPCs at least seeming to do things, SWTOR is static, with painted backdrops and corridor planets. If you want to anything that doesn't involve combat or collecting datacrons ONCE, then there is nothing to do, virtual worlds should allow you the freedom to at least craft if you want, or explore, or play mini games, do anything really but SWTOR is just combat combat combat kill 4 guys, over and over.

You will never recreate the buzz from your first MMO, this genre is full of these people, thats why so many people hate new releases. Junkies looking for that high that was just like the first, chasing the dragon.

I am not playing any MMO's after binning SWTOR, I am reading books.

simmihi · February 2012

Well i'm back to WoW after more than a year. Playing TOR and Rift only proved to me that WoW is a much much better game than those two, cannot even be compared in terms of content, replayability etc. Taking things slow, leveling alts using different paths, enjoying an actual "live" world, with birds, butterflies, rabits, squirrels etc., seasonal quests, weekend events (god i hate corridors and static 3-5 mob packs spread at 1 screen between each other), easy instance access, easy raid access (yea i've becomed a casual). Even the community got better after the launch of TOR, many of the "bad apples" went there. No, WoW is far from being the perfect themepark, but cannot even be compared to what else is out there...

The "it's new" aspect faded very very quickly in those recently launched games, leaving the ability to sell me the box as the only thing where they didn't fail. They're not bad games, they just offer much much less than the "source" game (WoW). I'll be more careful in the future and give the games 3-5 months until i decide on the purchase.

Kyleran · February 2012

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by vdruid

Time played 2000-20010 were my hay-days now I work fulltime and study part-time so games such as Rift and SWTOR suit my style. - I played during this same time period, always worked full time, raised 3 children and I still prefer MMO's with more challenge, amount of free time I have these days has nothing to do with my enjoyment/expectations out of a title.

Coming from a hard-core MMO gaming background with Everquest to the current "soft-core" editions that are MMORPGS all I can say is that the problem with people's expectations and their deliverance on them is that most people have already played through their starting MMORPG and from there on in that will be their benchmark to all other games. I am and will always be one of those MMOPlayers that judge a game against my hay-days of EverQuest and if you ask me no other game compares.

Because no one has made a title remotely close to the original, not even EQ2 so of course they are all falling short of your expectations. Although people point at WOW and its clones and say they are evolved from EQ, the differences are so many, but that's a topic for another thread.

Why do/can I make this broad assumtion, because you never forget the first time you killed your first dragon, or finally got to the bottom of x dungeon in a game. This reminicent based judgement that alot of the MMORPG community has is the reason why people get so God darn hyped and jacked up on the potential of reliving their "omg MMORPG days".

Never pull the nostalgia card, it's such a broad stereotype and rarely accurate. I killed my first dragon in DAOC, and the few times we pulled it off was glorious. (and died oh so many times). I went on to kill dragons in L2, WOW and each time was thrilling in its own right, for its own reason. Never got to kill a dragon in EVE (a Titan) but I can imagine that too would have been an excellent experience.

MMORPGers need to accept the fact that no new game is going to fulfill or replace those firsty days of mmorpging.

No we don't. I went through a similar chronolgy as you, started with EQ1 (didn't like it) Lineage 1 (6 mo), DAOC (2.75 yrs) with 3 mo stint in Shadowbane, (loved that game, but so poorly implemented) then Lineage 2 and then WOW.

With each new title I had a sense of wonder and excitement, because they all brought something new and different to the genre (and I regret missing titles such as SWG, AC1, AO, so many different MMO's, so little time) and I thought it would go on forever.

But I was wrong, LotRO released, and for the first time (of many) I go to a certain point (around level 30) and said to myself, "WTF, I've played this game before, it's too much like WOW" and I quit. Somewhere in the chronology I played Vanguard, which was a bit different however it's poor launch ruined what would have probably been a fun game.

It wasn't until I got to EVE when my sense of wonder returned, because once again, it brought to the table a different gaming experience, so much so that I played for over 3.5 years (with some breaks in between to try the various new WOW clones that kept getting released)

See, the thing is, MMO's don't have to follow the standard theme park model, there are alternative game designs / mechanics that worked in the past, and could work again if only Dev's/investors could quit chasing the WOW grail.

I am 25 years old now and my hay days of slaying dragons in my undies are over - I've come to terms with this and that's the reason why I personally can play game and not be pressured in to thinking it's the new OMG MMORPG. I think it would do the MMORPG community a hell of good if people in all lack of a better terms grew up and stopped placing their expecations on newly released MMORPGS. If history has taught you well enough nothing will every replace your first love.

History has taught me a different lesson, and by the way I love my wife far more than I ever did my first girlfriend, so the analogy once again failed. (and no, she's not looking over my shoulder as I type this)

I agree to some degree with your post. I admit that it is unlikely I will ever play an MMO as long as my first, WOW even though I've liked other MMOs more since then.

It's kind of odd, if there were MMO's you enjoyed more than WOW, it would stand to reason that you would have played them longer, I know I did. My first real MMO was Lineage 1 (6 mo) and since then I played several titles longer, including L2 (9 mo), DAOC (2.75 yrs), EVE (3.5 yrs) and even WOW (1.5 yrs).

But it's not surprising that you created your OP, I find people who started playing MMO's with WOW never got to experience how different MMORPG's could really be (and no, those older titles are not playable now, they are former shells of their glory days) so you have nothing else to go by.

Compared to WOW, SWTOR probably seems to be a step up in several areas (voice acting of course) and the use of companions and what not, but if only you could have enjoyed MMO's as they were first designed to be played, you might feel differently.

BTW, I'm currently playing SWTOR, level 20 Commando and having a decent enough time. Of course, its still a traditional quest based theme park title but I'm enjoying it for the story. I can't see myself sticking with it for that long (perhaps to get to 50 with one alt on each side) because the end game has no appeal to me. (I'm done with gear grinding, raiding end games), and I'm sure I'll be giving some of the upcoming new titles a try. (GW2, TSW, AA and perhaps Tera)

I think if this thread pointed out one trend, you might be better off playing no MMORPG rather than accepting an underwhelming title because there's nothing currently better out there. Seems like that's what a number of folks are doing.

Loke666 · February 2012

TOR haven´t really failed yet. Lets have this discussion in a few months when/if that happens.

Cod_Eye · February 2012

Originally posted by keithian
I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history and a huge number of subs. It has had almost all positive reviews from professional outlets. In response to that I heard stupid comments like "they were all paid,etc", but prior to this games launch there were certain individuals that couldn't wait to post a negative impression of those same outlets about 1/2 year to a year ago. I guess they are only paid when they don't agree with you.

Throughout the first 30 days, all I heard was how the game was going to drop drastically after the first free month. That hasn't happened despite the duplicate threads here. On the fleet, the numbers at the times I play are just about the exact same as they were a few weeks ago. My guild has just as much or more online at the same time. I have no trouble finding groups. Now I do feel this game has a large room for improvement and I provided that feedback to Bioware, but all in all its a solid MMO to a huge number of people out there.

To those people here who continuously critique TOR, please post the MMO you are playing and loving now or something that you think is better so we can compare it against this game and try to figure out if that game offers so much more in features, choices, story, graphics, innovation etc that this game has to offer. I want to see how those games differ so drastically from the WOW forumula and what made them successful. Just remember we have your forum history to compare against (except those that mysteriously only post here with like 10 posts or so) and the reality of how those games have done up until this point.

As a pretty experienced MMO player, I am more than ready for innovation and the next level of MMO, but denying that this game isn't even a half step up from previous MMOs AT LAUNCH is incomprehensible to me, especially if you prefer PVE!

Your Standards in what an MMO should be has dropped considerably if that is your claim I highlighted. SWtor is nothing more than a single player rpg, nobody, even me as a casual player should of been able to get to lvl 50 in 3 weeks or less, no journey to level cap just a straight run and bang, a brick wall. The only comparable MMO you mention is WoW, and then call yourself an experienced MMO player, I say no more.

Wicoa · February 2012

Getting a new job and back to wow for me which I havent played for a year. Why? The features provided are the most superior in a theme park mmorpg and the virtual world is seamless. In fact I have never felt more on rails than I have in SWTOR having to exactly follow the quest line and 0 choice as to where I want to go next. I am also playing Battlefield 3.

When developers copy the theme park element they have to at least offer the same or better than the dominant market player. SWTOR fails on all counts except for one thing VO acting which I found annoying in the end apart from the class story. Many of my friends and family feel the same way.

GW2 and Diablo 3 will nail SWTOR to the wall as its playerbase isn't stable enough to hold onto paying customers unless they pull a golden rabbit out the hat. Perhaps next year swtor will be in a better place.

The sad fact is if this launched as a CRPG selling expansions every 6 months it would have taken the market by storm. It is just not worth the monthly subscription.

I am planning to play

GW2

Diablo 3

Planetside 2 (RELEASE SOON!)

Wildstar

City of heroes 2 (Please announce it soon)

Wicoa · February 2012

Originally posted by Loke666
TOR haven´t really failed yet. Lets have this discussion in a few months when/if that happens.

To pick up on this point. In my view it hasnt failed either, it seems to have made half its investment back in box sales alone the rest will come with a drip feed of subscribers over the next few years. I am never saying never to returning they just have some work to do for me to play it again, it needs to marinade for a year.

xenogias · February 2012

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by Axxar

SWTOR ultimately wasn't for me, although I did enjoy myself most of the first month. Currently I'm not playing any MMO, although I'll probably try Guild Wars 2 and Mists of Pandaria. Currently playing UFO: Enemy Unknown, Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition and Skyrim.

I'm also playing Skyrim which I love, but thats not an MMO and unrealistic that it will ever be one soon until 10M WOW players all upgrade their computers to top of the line Alienwares. Mists of Pandaria offers nothing that SWTOR doesn't already offer except the ability to read walls of text that everyone ignores without hitting a space bar. GW2, can't wait, but so far that game is all theoretical until we can try it in beta and see how bugless that came will be. UFO, not sure what that is. Isn't that a strategy game? lol.

And here is the problem with your question. I didnt like SWTOR. What MMO am I playing now? Absolutly nothing. Why? Because I dont really care for themepark combat anymore. I might try TERA. I will be trying GW2 and Planetside 2. I guess the point being is when someone says none and then lists current non MMO games they are playing you cant really try to debunk what they are saying. Truth is what they are saying is they dont really care for/hate SWTOR and every other current MMO out there.

As to what WoW offers now that SWTOR doesnt? You cant really believe WOW doesnt offer anything that SWTOR does. Lets just name a COUPLE things in PvE. These are just a couple thing not all of them and just because YOU may not care for them has nothing to do with it, its still offered. Various factions, mounted combat, proper achievements (legacy system doesnt count since its hardly implimented yet). I'm not saying its fair to compare things like that to swtor but they will all be in the kungfu panda expansion which means it actually does offer things that swtor does not.

As to what I'm playing? BF3, Kingdoms of Amalur, Skyrim, Terraria, FF7, Xenogears, and Tribes Ascend. Thats right, no MMO's currently. I think all current MMO's that arent old/outdated (wtb updated graphics/controlls Asherons Call) are junk. I also realise I may verry well be burnt out on MMORPG's in general.

dinams · February 2012

Im playing crusader kings 2 now

and no, SW:TOR can't beat it

alkarionlog · February 2012

Originally posted by keithian
I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history and a huge number of subs. It has had almost all positive reviews from professional outlets. In response to that I heard stupid comments like "they were all paid,etc", but prior to this games launch there were certain individuals that couldn't wait to post a negative impression of those same outlets about 1/2 year to a year ago. I guess they are only paid when they don't agree with you.

Throughout the first 30 days, all I heard was how the game was going to drop drastically after the first free month. That hasn't happened despite the duplicate threads here. On the fleet, the numbers at the times I play are just about the exact same as they were a few weeks ago. My guild has just as much or more online at the same time. I have no trouble finding groups. Now I do feel this game has a large room for improvement and I provided that feedback to Bioware, but all in all its a solid MMO to a huge number of people out there.

To those people here who continuously critique TOR, please post the MMO you are playing and loving now or something that you think is better so we can compare it against this game and try to figure out if that game offers so much more in features, choices, story, graphics, innovation etc that this game has to offer. I want to see how those games differ so drastically from the WOW forumula and what made them successful. Just remember we have your forum history to compare against (except those that mysteriously only post here with like 10 posts or so) and the reality of how those games have done up until this point.

As a pretty experienced MMO player, I am more than ready for innovation and the next level of MMO, but denying that this game isn't even a half step up from previous MMOs AT LAUNCH is incomprehensible to me, especially if you prefer PVE!

AION, DDO, Dynasty warrior, Darkeden, battlefield 3

for non mmo CIV 5, RoTK 11

Azerin · February 2012

For my MMO, I've been playing Rift since saying bye to TOR. I considered going back to WoW, but I'm really digging Rift, it has a lot of the WoW-like features that give me that "comfort zone" feeling a lot of longtime WoW players usually look for in another MMO. I'm really liking the fleshed out features, graphics, art design, and the overall more mature direction of the game. Oh, and zone events are really fun, everyone just bands together to fight off an invasion. I'm still sad about TOR, I wish it and BW the best, but it's just not what I was looking for.

For my single player game of choice, I've been diggin' KoA (Kingdoms of Amalur), it's like Skyrim meets Darksiders IMHO. I really enjoyed the combat, art, and story of Darksiders, and KoA fills that niche. Plus, anything touched by R.A. Salvatore + Todd McFarlane = WIN for me. I recommend the game for anyone looking for a good ol' action RPG fix.

Selka · February 2012

Nothing > SWTOR

Timzilla · February 2012

Originally posted by Xasapis
Well, SW:TOR is an awesome single player game with a co-op mode strapped on. I guess Bioware could do the same with Mass Effect 3 and name it MMO as well, right?

For me that's where the problem lies with SW:TOR. It's not about other games, it's just that this particular game is not an MMO yet, so once the personal story is over, the game appeal ends as well.

That's pretty much why I left SWTOR the MMO. I'm currently playing SWTOR, the RPG, and I am quite enjoying it. Will drop sub after I play through a couple story lines.

nikoliath · February 2012

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by zytin

Your premis is faulty. That, and you didn't really ask a question in your long winded pro TOR rant.

His premise isn't faulty. He's asking for comparisons from the people who post long winded anti TOR rants on a daily basis.

Your post is a challenge, not a question.You are challengeing the readers to tell you what MMO they currently play that is better than TOR . You don't stop there, though. You go on to list a long string of requirments that attempts to force people to compare TOR with wow based on several variables (graphics, story, et al).

Since those are the very things that people like to gripe about I see nothing wrong with throwing that criteria back in their face. If TOR is so bad, then obviously there was something better in the past or now that we should all be playing. I notice many like to say WOW did this better, or DAOC did this better etc. They take different stuff from different games and say that since TOR doesn't have all these things it fails. Well, if that is the case, then show a game that has all those things PLUS what TOR offers. See people like us who DO like this game for what it is are going to have a hard time going back to the supposedly "superior" mmos when they don't measure up to our standards. Expectations are a two way street.

Im going to tell you a secret.. do you want to hear it? probably not. Reason why TOR might or might not be sinking is that It can even be compared to other games. I mean things like TOR has BGs and TOR has quests and TOR has mouse wheel endgame content is what puts many people of the product in the first place. If TOR dident have all these things anny comparision to other games (like WoW, WAR, LOTRO, Champions online, AION, etc etc) would not be admissible. I personaly dont understand why they just dident do a totaly diffrent game.. Its not hard and it sure isent Rocket sience coming up with a new concept. Draw from outer platforms, like FPS, RTS, FInd other things like a deep crafting system that is actually worth doing instead of a side game, make an Open WORLD, make peoples Toons start as childrean and slowly grow... Just come up with something that we havent seen before.

I want to be amased, and I want to be entertained when i play games. I dont want to feel like "dam it feels like I have done this like 100 times before" And VO cant save anything if you build it ontop of the same gamdesign that has been used for a decade now...

Wow, first off you think you're an "activist for injustice..." but what made me stop reading your posts was;

"I personaly dont understand why they just dident do a totaly diffrent game.. Its not hard and it sure isent Rocket sience coming up with a new concept."

SW:TOR is an MMORPG, which is genre and sub genre of the RPG, this dictates that it must contain certain mechanics and aspects otherwise it would not be an MMORPG.

Do you own a copy of TOR?

Valkaern · February 2012

Nothing.

Swtor is the last game I bought and I'm currently choosing to play nothing rather than play Swtor. Although I may check out Kingdoms of Amalur soon.

There are a few games on the horizon to look forward to at least.

snapfusion · February 2012

Originally posted by Valkaern
Nothing.

Swtor is the last game I bought and I'm currently choosing to play nothing rather than play Swtor. Although I may check out Kingdoms of Amalur soon.

There are a few games on the horizon to look forward to at least.

So there is not a single MMO out there that is good enough for you? Maybe its not the games.............

snapfusion · February 2012

Originally posted by Selka
Nothing > SWTOR

So your playing nothing too, another guy thats too good for any games currently out. Again Im thinking its not the games.

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