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If you can't find a single sandbox MMORPG that you like, then you're not an MMORPG sandbox fan.
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I'm sick of people creating threads to whine that there aren't any good sandbox games out there. Which is completely absurd, as I've played several. And I haven't played EVE, so it's hardly the only good sandbox game out there.
Now, different games will appeal to different people. So I'm not saying that a sandbox fan should like all of the sandbox games out there; some games really are just terrible games, or simply not what you're after. I can also understand if you've played a couple sandbox games and liked them, but eventually got tired of them, and only want to complain that there aren't enough good sandbox games.
But I don't have any sympathy for people who can't find a single sandbox game that they like, and want to whine loudly about it. Even if they think they're sandbox fans, they're not.
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as someone whos played Eve, Darkfall, Xsyon, FE, dawntide, swg, and a few others i cannot think of at the moment...please tell me what sandbox games youve liked. I loved SWG and somewhat liked FE. hated the rest.
Currently playing Wurm. Best sandbox ever.
Yay, someone bashing me without knowing me at all. My lucky day!
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Having just come from a resub of 5 months to Darkfall I can say EVE is the only good option for Sandbox fans. Yes that is my opinion and no I don't think my opinion is worth more than yours. I am aware there are more options out there for sandy boxing.
As far as a well developed MMO with thousands of people all playing in one place, EVE has the rest beat by a mile. Unfortunately quality matters.
You're not a sandbox fan is a "bash" where you're from, eh?
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
The problem with the debate over sandboxes is that there is no clear definition over what a "sandbox" actually is. Some people believe all a sandbox game has to have is an open environment and a player-run economy, with a decent variety of tools to interact with other players. Others want the genre to give players the ability to morph the environment to their will, create complex governments and add custom content to the game beyond the developers' control. I'd say the second group needs to lower their standards a bit, because that kind of interactivity simply is not possible with the level of graphical quality we expect out of MMOs these days. They want something like a universal Minecraft with the graphics of Skyrim when reality looks more like Grand Theft Auto with the graphics of The Sims. I'm afraid that unless technology manages to improve dramatically they will remain disappointed.
When there's a modern MMO version of minecraft is the day I stop dreaming about a better sandbox. Can't stand Wurm. Takes a century to perform any action, graphics are crap, combat is crap.
I thought I was a sandbox fan. OP just made me feel like a terrible person instead. What can I say, I'm as fragile as a package marked... frágil.
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To be fair, I think people are just waiting for a sandbox of similar quality to a major AAA title. Eve is a excellent game. Its definitely a sandbox. My issue is, I havent found one which fits the setting and graphical quality I am looking for. Although Archage sure looks like it mite fit my desires.
'Good' is a subjective term
So because I can't find any decent restaurants, I'm not a fan of food?
What?
Not only is this the 'internet', it's also MMORPG....expect pretentiousness ;P
Eve is the best sandbox out there and in my opinion the best mmo period.
After that the quality of choices falls off a cliff.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
So you consider yourself a sandbox fan who doesn't like any sandbox games?
How does that work?
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I get what Quiz is mad though. With so many supposed sandboxes out there it can appear were being picky or selfish. That being said he needs to respect the fact so many people havent found the one they desire or the setting.
Everyone deserves fair representation in the mmorpg genre. Its what we all what after all. To have something we fit into. Ok deserve mite be a strong word. After all there are some genre styles which arent feasible.
I don't like any current sandbox games (that I have tried). I am signed up for beta/forums/newsletters on a few newer ones being made. I hope I will enjoy them if/when they hit the shelves.
Does that work or should I make a powerpoint presentation? (protip: I like the animations and transitions!)
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I got kicked out of my sandbox on Dec 15th. I'm messing with themeparks atm. If I get the itch, I'll try out UWO.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Face it you're all shiny graphics fans. You don't care about good gameplay or you'd still be playing the proven Sandboxes.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
I liked one of these sandboxes for a time, SWG, quite some time ago though...not sure how a game getting destroyed and then shut down fits into this...
The threads aren't about the lack of sandboxes (though that is certainly true, there hasn't been a single sandbox MMO with a decent budget since SWG) it's the lack of MMOs. In this strange twisted post WoW MMO world when you describe an open world game without any instances people assume you're talking about a sandbox, which is weird because none of the original MMOs had instances, yet not all of them were considered sandbox.
I want a DAoC2, not a sandbox. But I'd settle for a sandbox with a decent budget.
I might play Wurm if I didn't have to spend the majority of my play time watching a progress bar fill up...
there hasnt been a fun sandbox since uo, but uo is too old now, its just so fugly, someone should retool uo into a 3d game with directx11 graphics, ild love me some of dat.
I can't find a single first person shooter that I like. You know why? Because I don't like first person shooters. It's not an insult. It's a simple statement of fact. But I don't go to first person shooter forums and complain that all the first person shooters on the market are terrible.
If you want an AAA sandbox game, then stop whining about it and go play one. Here, I'll even give you a link:
http://uwo.netmarble.com/index.asp
And if you want to complain ~30 years of experience in designing games, several hundred million dollars in annual revenue, and the sort of large budgets you'd expect from a company of that size isn't enough to make Tecmo-Koei an AAA developer, then you've got too narrow of a definition of AAA.
If you like one sandbox game and not another, that's fine. If you don't like sandbox games at all, that's fine, too. But what I don't like is people coming in to loudly whine that there aren't any good sandbox games at all. I say the reason for that is that such people don't like sandboxes, and they should stop whining about it.
Title doesnt compute.
For example:
I like the idea socialism.
There wasnt a single implementation of it that is any good.
Sometimes people like an idea, but not any implementation of it.
QFT.
Perhaps the OP should stop 'whining' about people having perfectly legitimate discussions/desires/concerns about computer games on a computer games website.
If the sandboxes you play (I'm guessing mostly UWO and Tale in the Desert by the amount you plug them) tick all your boxes then fair play, have fun. But for a lot of people in certain aspects these games just dont cut the mustard.
With the former, for me, I didnt like the cash shop. The latter, the lack of combat and dated graphics.
I'd be surprised if you really can't see how these variables might be of some consequence for some gamers?
It's a question of implementation (as this guy quoted has said) and quality control, you are sated, most are not.