Originally posted by Carson123 lol I gave up on this a while ago. If this is how the company is going to run things im not wasting my time on thier games. I am going back to WoW at least they are reliable.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.. WoW? Reliable? Guess you didn't spend that much time on their forums BEFORE the beta begins. WoW was supposed to "open its portal" in 2003, that's what was written in the preview on the WC3 CD. And still after 5 years of developing this P.O.S. they don't have half of what was promised.
If you really want to judge on a company, wait till you paid to play it, before that you can't say anything about it. If KFR thinks it is not the right time to let more people in, it's maybe because he has a reasonnable doubt about how we're going to react to the game in its present state.
Would you prefer getting in right now and find yourself lagging or unable to "play" due to bugs and stuff? Or would you rather be able to enjoy your TESTING time to a full with a product nearing completed state and knowing you'll be able to play it right once it goes live?
I know i would rather get in and be able to explore with little to no lag and be able to do a good testing on the game. And that means i'll have to wait until KFR thinks it's gonna be ok.
And don't give me that WoW didn't have that much bug when it came out. I was on the beta, i was there at release date and NEVER will i pay for that game again. They do have something good going on right now, but it took them too much god dam time to get their act straight and it burned me to the bones.
Also, what is so reliable about WoW? Still having queues at times to get on a server, having queues IN GAME to join a battleground, still having bugged resources (eg: some mining nodes won't open and bug your character, same with herbalism and skinning), they still have terrible lag spikes throughout the servers. Broken quests, a lot of spells not functioning correctly. Lots of bugs are reported daily in game AND on the forums, some of them have been reported countless times since launch and still they are not fiexd. Yep, that seems very reliable.
Originally posted by MrLeX007 Originally posted by Carson123 lol I gave up on this a while ago. If this is how the company is going to run things im not wasting my time on thier games. I am going back to WoW at least they are reliable.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.. WoW? Reliable? Guess you didn't spend that much time on their forums BEFORE the beta begins. WoW was supposed to "open its portal" in 2003, that's what was written in the preview on the WC3 CD. And still after 5 years of developing this P.O.S. they don't have half of what was promised.
If you really want to judge on a company, wait till you paid to play it, before that you can't say anything about it. If KFR thinks it is not the right time to let more people in, it's maybe because he has a reasonnable doubt about how we're going to react to the game in its present state.
Would you prefer getting in right now and find yourself lagging or unable to "play" due to bugs and stuff? Or would you rather be able to enjoy your TESTING time to a full with a product nearing completed state and knowing you'll be able to play it right once it goes live?
I know i would rather get in and be able to explore with little to no lag and be able to do a good testing on the game. And that means i'll have to wait until KFR thinks it's gonna be ok.
And don't give me that WoW didn't have that much bug when it came out. I was on the beta, i was there at release date and NEVER will i pay for that game again. They do have something good going on right now, but it took them too much god dam time to get their act straight and it burned me to the bones.
Also, what is so reliable about WoW? Still having queues at times to get on a server, having queues IN GAME to join a battleground, still having bugged resources (eg: some mining nodes won't open and bug your character, same with herbalism and skinning), they still have terrible lag spikes throughout the servers. Broken quests, a lot of spells not functioning correctly. Lots of bugs are reported daily in game AND on the forums, some of them have been reported countless times since launch and still they are not fiexd. Yep, that seems very reliable.
By all means, bash WoW () But please don't defend redbedlam for this joke of a contest. If they don't want people in at this time, then at this time they should NOT run a contest! simple as that.
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Originally posted by Siphons By all means, bash WoW () But please don't defend redbedlam for this joke of a contest. If they don't want people in at this time, then at this time they should NOT run a contest! simple as that.
I have all the confidence in RB. I am sure they had good intentions when they announced the contest with MMORPG.COM. I do understand there's been a few drawbacks since, maybe big, maybe little, but for what i understand there's not too many people in the dev's management team. If they have problems OR they prefer to let us in only when they have a much better product to show, then i'm all for it. I have all the time in front of me, during this unfortunate waiting time, i have my job, my family and my friends to make me think of something else.
To all those out there yelling for a publicity stunt, do you really think 180 person waiting for a beta spot on a single website is a publicity stunt? They would certainly have made it much bigger with thousand(s) of beta spot and have everyone download the client THEN have a rep post something like "We ran into some problems, you'll have to wait to get in". The fact that we were not able to register as beta testers and not able to download the client makes me believe it was really a problem and not just a publicity contest.
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Wow you remembered me , but dont put him next to me he might eat me, hes hannibal lector.
And i too cant WAIT TILL this weekend, but the reason for that is because im going on holiday so im friggin bombed that ill have to wait a week to get into the test. I hope they dont like have a thing like if you dont receive your accounts in a certain amount of time then we'll give them to someone else cause i dont wanna miss it cause of this holiday!
By all means, bash WoW () But please don't defend redbedlam for this joke of a contest. If they don't want people in at this time, then at this time they should NOT run a contest! simple as that.
I tend to agree. They should not have gone through with a contest for beta accounts if they could not provide them. If the server wasn't ready, then they should not have proceded. Its a joke. Still they say the same things "we are close it will be soon." and weeks pass. Talk is cheap. If I tried to do something like this to my customers with my IT projects and pilots I'd end up without a client. If you say you can deliver something, and then don't. Its as simple as you cannot deliver.
I seriously doubt that this MMO's going to be anything different then anything else out there for the one reason that the development team is full of empty promises, just like every other MMO on the market. Talk is cheap. Put action to the words, then my opinion will change.
How are they not providing for what they promised? They delayed your acceptance as beta tester because of beta reasons.
You are not customers. You are testers. You have been granted to oppertunity to contribute to an immense development.
You are not paying for a service. You are servicing them.
Your opinion; Because RB is is delaying your acceptance as a beta-tester to contribute to a beta game, for reasons stated by the president of RB (namely that the game is in development), you conclude that RB is full of empty promises and will not deliver.
And at least the the makers came here to tell us what the problem us. if you couldn't understand what they said then that's your issue. I doubt many other companys would have done that. Almost every game i've played, the admins never talk to the public.
First it was an analogy. i've never claimed to be a customer. But like it or not, beta test is a promotion for the company. On top of that, its not just a standard beta that normally gets passed around word of mouth. It was a contest. I didn't apply to the beta prior to the contest. I made it in through the contest. The contest was done to do what.
anyone...anyone...Bueller?...anyone...To promote the game. By stepping into using the beta as a promtional venu, they are stepping into the realm of providing me something if I win. Guess what. I won. The contest rules would have dictated that I would have been provided that which the contest first told me I would receive. A beta account.
Now I understand this isn't a paid service, and by nature it isn't something I can be called a customer. But I'm something much more then that. I'm a Potential customer. Let's say that together. Potential customer. Now lets say we have a fictional Potential customer, that's today's phrase boys and girls, and I see a contest for a game beta account. Now the game intrigues me I apply to the contest and low and behold I win. As a potential customer, I'm going to be evaluating that game, and how that company interacts with me. Now as an individual I'm just one gamer, I'm a $40 up front fee and a $14 revolving fee to them, which in small scheme is nothing. however I'm a walking advertisement. Did you know that people with bad experiences are much more prone to speak about those experiences then people with good experiences? And depending on the degree of bad experience they will often times say something where normally they wouldn't.
Now let's expand this theory of walking billboards called gammers. Let's I'm playing a mmo. Well chances are I'm playing with a group of people. Some might call this a 'virtual community'. Now on this virutal community discussions often break out, and being a community of gammers, that discussion often flies to a shared interest, gues what that is. Well, beer and woman yes, but aside from that it'd be games.
now take that walking billboard with a bad expereince. Was promised a beta account because he won a contest. now it isn't a testing account to him as much is it is a what? anyone...anyone...bueller...anyone? A reward for a won contest.
Now winning and award but not providing it is an empty promise. And them coming on over the past few weeks saying that the time will come we are having problem but eventually you'll get it is like telling a bill collecetor the check is in the mail. I'm sure it will come, and I'm sure the intent is to provide it. however the image it protreys while in waiting is an image of a company that really doesn't know when to do something, or how to provide a promise in a timeframe that reflects the upfront commitment.
You guys just don't get it do you? We all understand it's beta, but thanks for restating it.
So i'll restate for you what's happening. Redbedlam ran a contest. The contest was for one-hundred and eighty beta slots for their upcoming game, Roma Victor. This contest earned Roma Victor a lot more attention from the MMO community, and their very own forum on this site. Redbedlam received all of this press and attention based on a lie. There has been GoCat testing between the end of the contest and now. The winners were not invited to these testings, because they didn't win a beta slot as advertised. They won (if they DO ever get in before release) a preview of the game before release. Beta entails dealing with bugs and problems with the game, and they don't think the winners can handle it. They advertised a contest for beta slots. They didn't intend to follow through, or changed their mind half way through. Redbedlam is not an honest company. It's great how they have a connection to the community like no other company out there, but it would be better if they were honest too.
I was raised to do what you say, or just don't say it at all. I hope this reaches some of the fanboys.
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Originally posted by Siphons You guys just don't get it do you? We all understand it's beta, but thanks for restating it. So i'll restate for you what's happening. Redbedlam ran a contest. The contest was for one-hundred and eighty beta slots for their upcoming game, Roma Victor. This contest earned Roma Victor a lot more attention from the MMO community, and their very own forum on this site. Redbedlam received all of this press and attention based on a lie. There has been GoCat testing between the end of the contest and now. The winners were not invited to these testings, because they didn't win a beta slot as advertised. They won (if they DO ever get in before release) a preview of the game before release. Beta entails dealing with bugs and problems with the game, and they don't think the winners can handle it. They advertised a contest for beta slots. They didn't intend to follow through, or changed their mind half way through. Redbedlam is not an honest company. It's great how they have a connection to the community like no other company out there, but it would be better if they were honest too. I was raised to do what you say, or just don't say it at all. I hope this reaches some of the fanboys.
How do you know? You got a friend on the inside? You got a magic ball telling you we'll be in only 2 weeks prior to launch? From what Kannoth said earlier, the ESTIMATE RELEASE DATE is fall 05. Key word here is ESTIMATE. You're going to tell me that an ESTIMATE is something near those dates? WoW was ESTIMATED to be released by November 2003 (watch the preview on the WC3 CD), and from what i remember, i was playing the retail in november 2004, NOT 2003. Until you get your invite mail, you CAN'T say that RB is a dishonest company. We were promised beta spot, true we don't have them right now due to some technical problems, but the ETA can easily be postponed later in the year and we will have plenty of time to test the game.
What you're doing here is speculation AND diffamation. You should be careful about such allegations, RB can now sue you whenever they want for atempting to their reputation.
Like Kannoth said in a post, Conspiracy Theorist rules! and YES, it applies to you.
Ever tell someone you were going to come over to their house? Ever have something come up that causes you to change those plans? Do your friends call you dishonest and negligent for not anticipating that your grandmother would suddenly get ill, or <insert problem here>? Course not.
This isnt the control group guys, this is real life. Sometimes it throws you a curve ball, and we were caught swingin.
hehe sure, some of us might be fanboys, from mild to heavy degrees. But are you anti-winners hypocrits?
You guys who have spoken out so soundly about this corrupt, negative beta contest, if you won one of the 180 spots, have you sent an email to Redbedlam saying you are removing yourself from the beta and forfeiting your beta slot? Have you?
Oh, oh wait. Double standards. But I won. But, but it's- it's a sham, they're an evil, fake company.. but I.. I might just hang onto this beta slot...
Wtfever. If you're going to talk that talk, let us know when there are more beta slots coming up because you've sent a letter of 'resignation' from the beta. Coz I know a few people who would love to get one of those spots.
If you haven't got the balls to go through with that, well shut the **** up and deal.
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Originally posted by Maximos anyone...anyone...Bueller?...anyone...To promote the game. By stepping into using the beta as a promtional venu, they are stepping into the realm of providing me something if I win. Guess what. I won. The contest rules would have dictated that I would have been provided that which the contest first told me I would receive. A beta account.
Who said you won't reveive it? I never saw a date in the contest, only afterwards, when they said we would receive another e-mail within 48 hours. I give you that, they do have a different view on 48 hours, but still, they never said you won't get your account.
I'm a $40 up front fee and a $14 revolving fee to them, which in small scheme is nothing.
Doesn't it say on RV's website there won't be any annual fees? I might be mistaken, but i think it says they want to run on a donation model.
however I'm a walking advertisement.
Advertisement? With a NDA on your back? This must be the new kind of adds people are so much talking about. Even if you were a walking advetisement, 180 winners, on a 250K members website, when the MMO community revolves around 10M gamers, yep.. very big publicity stunt.
Now winning and award but not providing it is an empty promise. And them coming on over the past few weeks saying that the time will come we are having problem but eventually you'll get it is like telling a bill collecetor the check is in the mail. I'm sure it will come, and I'm sure the intent is to provide it. however the image it protreys while in waiting is an image of a company that really doesn't know when to do something, or how to provide a promise in a timeframe that reflects the upfront commitment.
You can't say they did not provide the award, not yet. And whinning about a company not GIVING YOU something for FREE in a "reasonable" timeframe does not make you look cool at all, more like a cry baby. (this is not a flame directed at you, but to everyone yelling about not being in right now)
Originally posted by MrLeX007 What you're doing here is speculation AND diffamation. You should be careful about such allegations, RB can now sue you whenever they want for atempting to their reputation.
Let them try and sue me, I'd like to see it. I'm sure I could enjoy the counter suit. Anyway back on topic. Lets get some things straight. There are those of us who are techies, geeks, and professional ones at that. I make a living in all things IT related. IT stands for information technology, that's the buzz word for computer stuff. Now those of use with this profession know from experence what a company says, is just that what they say. in the end its always show me. Saying you can do something is not doing something, and entitles you to little or no respect.
In the end, they stated it was a beta slot contest. And even if it was a technical fubar that caused the accounts to be postponed, that's not better. In fact that's much worse. I'd rather have it stated that they were dishonest in their original statements rather then incompitent. And in the end in the IT world, not delivering means just that, that you cannot deliver. They should have had the tech factor done and squared away long before they even thought about handing out 100plus accounts as a contest. The fact they don't means they don't have the ability. Now if it were one day, ok I can see a delay. A week, sure it happens. But we are talking multiple weeks with still a "in the near future, it will come." That's not being able to meet the technology demands that that are required of there previous contest statments. That's what we call, inept in the biz.
I'm not saying the won't deliver. I'm not saying they cannot deliver given enough time. I'm not saying that they aren't communicating, they are communicating, although with large corporate speach and vaguness.
I AM saying that they've already missed the mark. For those fanboys and the kids out there it doesn't mean anything, still looks like a great game. But for those of us in adultland that work for our money, and have experience in various interactions of this type it has already made a bad impression and from here they are gonna play catch up.
"we don't have them right now due to some technical problems"
technical problems, BS. That's what the beta is for, technical problems. What a previously posted were not allegations, it's the truth staring right at you in the face. You fail to grasp the PRINCIPLE of the matter. This is not some rant because i'm afraid the game will release before I get a chance to test... Shameless hype stunts shouldn't just be ignored. do you get it? Sue me? Hah! I didn't set up a hoax contest, they did! This isn't China, this is the internet, and i do have the right to point out facts, no matter how evident (though some refuse to acknowledge.) I feel like i'm arguing politics. there's no point.
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To the statement about "there being GOCaT testing between then and now," I'd like to point out that you are right. On the other hand, there is one thing you didn't mention, perhaps because you didn't think of it:
Originally posted by [RB]KFR [Edit: P.S. Oh and don't worry, we're not expanding the team in the meantime - the contest winners were bundled into an existing pending batch that was waiting to be added back when the contest was drawn.]
So, they've been waiting to get in for just as long as the people who applied for the testing phase via the offical method and were accepted? I suppose those people would be just as annoyed, but I don't seem to have heard any word about them having this problem. And, there's one other quote I wanted to respond to:
"Now as an individual I'm just one gamer, I'm a $40 up front fee and a $14 revolving fee to them..."
As an individual, that's all you can be until you start participating in the community, which you can do before being allowed in the game. By the sounds of it, if you guys put this behind you when you finally get in, they'll probably appreciate your helpfulness Of course, I don't quite agree with the revolving fee part, but then I don't plan on paying beyond the inital fee.
Originally posted by Maximos In the end, they stated it was a beta slot contest. And even if it was a technical fubar that caused the accounts to be postponed, that's not better. In fact that's much worse. I'd rather have it stated that they were dishonest in their original statements rather then incompitent.
So you're saying that a BETA product SHOULDN'T have any kind of problems? Let me know if you are free sometimes, i'd like to offer you a job as a dev on a very large and revolutionary MMO i plan to publish. With you on the team, i'm sure it won't take me more than 6 months to have it delivered.
I AM saying that they've already missed the mark. For those fanboys and the kids out there it doesn't mean anything, still looks like a great game. But for those of us in adultland that work for our money, and have experience in various interactions of this type it has already made a bad impression and from here they are gonna play catch up.
Last time i checked, i am part this "adultland" you call. I'm 27, got a 4 years old kid, been with my wife for 6 years now, and i pay ALL of my taxes. Let me know if i don't qualify as an adult please. I had a company that was mainly Windows Troubleshooting at home, i am not the IT pro that you are but i do know about computers and what's related to their operation, yes that includes bugs. I droped the company to become a real estate agent, much more money to be made there and less "repetitive" problems. Now, you say they missed the mark and they'll play "catch up" from now on? Well, that's YOUR opinion, from my point of view I understand there's been a problem somewhere and that they don't have all the human resources like Blizzard to work on that project. So no, they won't be playing catch up with me.
As far as me being considered a fanboy, well, i didn't sign up because it's Roma Victor, i signed up because i love doing some testing on games. I didn't even know about RV 4 months ago. But one thing that impress me, is the fact that Kannoth AND KFR are coming here, to let us know what's really going on and not just ditch us with some "We have problems, can't tell about it but you'll be in soon" a la Blizzard (wich basicaly takes every customers they have for 12 years old kids)
Originally posted by MrLeX007 Advertisement? With a NDA on your back? This must be the new kind of adds people are so much talking about. Even if you were a walking advetisement, 180 winners, on a 250K members website, when the MMO community revolves around 10M gamers, yep.. very big publicity stunt.
NDA's are eventually lifted. And the experience of beta testers plays HEAVILY into a game's success. Always has, always will, word of mouth reigns surpreme in adverising.
doesn't matter anyway, I refuse to debate this more. I was merely trying to point out to the fanboys that'd been flaming people raising valid concerns.
And the IT world, sure problems arise. But they are mostly required to be handled in a timely manor with a great deal of haste. Like I said, if I were to go to a client with this I wouldn't have a client. It's just something that should be taken to heart, and the message wasn't for the fanboys, it was more for RB.
Doesn't it say on RV's website there won't be any annual fees? I might be mistaken, but i think it says they want to run on a donation model.
They do however have the plan to have people pay/donate/whatever you wanna call it, for in-game money. Of course, many will probably take them up on this offer, either to help support them, or to, as some suggest, "Keep up with the Joneses."
Advertisement? With a NDA on your back? This must be the new kind of adds people are so much talking about. Even if you were a walking advetisement, 180 winners, on a 250K members website, when the MMO community revolves around 10M gamers, yep.. very big publicity stunt.
They let 180 people in, but was that the number of people who saw the contest and got interested in the game because of the contest? By the looks of it, there were more people. Heck, because of the amount of publicity it recieved, forum members here got their own forum for RV...hey, look, we're posting in it!
I feel like i'm arguing politics. there's no point.
Originally posted by Maximos NDA's are eventually lifted. And the experience of beta testers plays HEAVILY into a game's success. Always has, always will, word of mouth reigns surpreme in adverising.
If the game is good and the company is listening to it's testers, you won't remember that you got your beta acceptance e-mail a little later than originaly told. If you didn't like the game, that's another story. But for now, saying that RB will suffer a lot from this situation is purely speculations.
doesn't matter anyway, I refuse to debate this more. I was merely trying to point out to the fanboys that'd been flaming people raising valid concerns.
Ah come one, we're having an adult and civilized debate here, don't tell me it's not fun? I know i like it. And as for the flaming, you are right, flaming and calling people names or such things is not a good thing and has no place here. Just to make sure (i don't want to re-read everything i wrote), nothing in my posts should be interpreted as flames, unless otherwise stated.
Originally posted by PrJdGmr They let 180 people in, but was that the number of people who saw the contest and got interested in the game because of the contest? By the looks of it, there were more people. Heck, because of the amount of publicity it recieved, forum members here got their own forum for RV...hey, look, we're posting in it!
And how many of them only clicked on the contest link to have a chance on a beta spot without even knowing about the game? I know i did, and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one.
You have to admit that there are a lot of people here only interested in beta testing games, whatever the company dev'ing/publishing it.
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Its all good, come or not it doesn't matter to me. It is still only a game.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.. WoW? Reliable? Guess you didn't spend that much time on their forums BEFORE the beta begins. WoW was supposed to "open its portal" in 2003, that's what was written in the preview on the WC3 CD. And still after 5 years of developing this P.O.S. they don't have half of what was promised.
If you really want to judge on a company, wait till you paid to play it, before that you can't say anything about it. If KFR thinks it is not the right time to let more people in, it's maybe because he has a reasonnable doubt about how we're going to react to the game in its present state.
Would you prefer getting in right now and find yourself lagging or unable to "play" due to bugs and stuff? Or would you rather be able to enjoy your TESTING time to a full with a product nearing completed state and knowing you'll be able to play it right once it goes live?
I know i would rather get in and be able to explore with little to no lag and be able to do a good testing on the game. And that means i'll have to wait until KFR thinks it's gonna be ok.
And don't give me that WoW didn't have that much bug when it came out. I was on the beta, i was there at release date and NEVER will i pay for that game again. They do have something good going on right now, but it took them too much god dam time to get their act straight and it burned me to the bones.
Also, what is so reliable about WoW? Still having queues at times to get on a server, having queues IN GAME to join a battleground, still having bugged resources (eg: some mining nodes won't open and bug your character, same with herbalism and skinning), they still have terrible lag spikes throughout the servers. Broken quests, a lot of spells not functioning correctly. Lots of bugs are reported daily in game AND on the forums, some of them have been reported countless times since launch and still they are not fiexd. Yep, that seems very reliable.
Who are you? Webster?
SPEAKA ANY ENGLISH?
Why do you say that? You think i'm a living dictionary?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.. WoW? Reliable? Guess you didn't spend that much time on their forums BEFORE the beta begins. WoW was supposed to "open its portal" in 2003, that's what was written in the preview on the WC3 CD. And still after 5 years of developing this P.O.S. they don't have half of what was promised.
If you really want to judge on a company, wait till you paid to play it, before that you can't say anything about it. If KFR thinks it is not the right time to let more people in, it's maybe because he has a reasonnable doubt about how we're going to react to the game in its present state.
Would you prefer getting in right now and find yourself lagging or unable to "play" due to bugs and stuff? Or would you rather be able to enjoy your TESTING time to a full with a product nearing completed state and knowing you'll be able to play it right once it goes live?
I know i would rather get in and be able to explore with little to no lag and be able to do a good testing on the game. And that means i'll have to wait until KFR thinks it's gonna be ok.
And don't give me that WoW didn't have that much bug when it came out. I was on the beta, i was there at release date and NEVER will i pay for that game again. They do have something good going on right now, but it took them too much god dam time to get their act straight and it burned me to the bones.
Also, what is so reliable about WoW? Still having queues at times to get on a server, having queues IN GAME to join a battleground, still having bugged resources (eg: some mining nodes won't open and bug your character, same with herbalism and skinning), they still have terrible lag spikes throughout the servers. Broken quests, a lot of spells not functioning correctly. Lots of bugs are reported daily in game AND on the forums, some of them have been reported countless times since launch and still they are not fiexd. Yep, that seems very reliable.
By all means, bash WoW (
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All you friggin suburban white kid wannabe poobutts that are in love with G-Unit are sad and pathetic. Find your own identity
I have all the confidence in RB. I am sure they had good intentions when they announced the contest with MMORPG.COM. I do understand there's been a few drawbacks since, maybe big, maybe little, but for what i understand there's not too many people in the dev's management team. If they have problems OR they prefer to let us in only when they have a much better product to show, then i'm all for it. I have all the time in front of me, during this unfortunate waiting time, i have my job, my family and my friends to make me think of something else.
To all those out there yelling for a publicity stunt, do you really think 180 person waiting for a beta spot on a single website is a publicity stunt? They would certainly have made it much bigger with thousand(s) of beta spot and have everyone download the client THEN have a rep post something like "We ran into some problems, you'll have to wait to get in". The fact that we were not able to register as beta testers and not able to download the client makes me believe it was really a problem and not just a publicity contest.
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, but dont put him next to me he might eat me, hes hannibal lector.
And i too cant WAIT TILL this weekend, but the reason for that is because im going on holiday so im friggin bombed that ill have to wait a week to get into the test. I hope they dont like have a thing like if you dont receive your accounts in a certain amount of time then we'll give them to someone else cause i dont wanna miss it cause of this holiday!
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I tend to agree. They should not have gone through with a contest for beta accounts if they could not provide them. If the server wasn't ready, then they should not have proceded. Its a joke. Still they say the same things "we are close it will be soon." and weeks pass. Talk is cheap. If I tried to do something like this to my customers with my IT projects and pilots I'd end up without a client. If you say you can deliver something, and then don't. Its as simple as you cannot deliver.
I seriously doubt that this MMO's going to be anything different then anything else out there for the one reason that the development team is full of empty promises, just like every other MMO on the market. Talk is cheap. Put action to the words, then my opinion will change.
How are they not providing for what they promised? They delayed your acceptance as beta tester because of beta reasons.
You are not customers. You are testers. You have been granted to oppertunity to contribute to an immense development.
You are not paying for a service. You are servicing them.
Your opinion; Because RB is is delaying your acceptance as a beta-tester to contribute to a beta game, for reasons stated by the president of RB (namely that the game is in development), you conclude that RB is full of empty promises and will not deliver.
yea great analogy. geeze.
And at least the the makers came here to tell us what the problem us. if you couldn't understand what they said then that's your issue. I doubt many other companys would have done that. Almost every game i've played, the admins never talk to the public.
Some RB fans here...lol
First it was an analogy. i've never claimed to be a customer. But like it or not, beta test is a promotion for the company. On top of that, its not just a standard beta that normally gets passed around word of mouth. It was a contest. I didn't apply to the beta prior to the contest. I made it in through the contest. The contest was done to do what.
anyone...anyone...Bueller?...anyone...To promote the game. By stepping into using the beta as a promtional venu, they are stepping into the realm of providing me something if I win. Guess what. I won. The contest rules would have dictated that I would have been provided that which the contest first told me I would receive. A beta account.
Now I understand this isn't a paid service, and by nature it isn't something I can be called a customer. But I'm something much more then that. I'm a Potential customer. Let's say that together. Potential customer. Now lets say we have a fictional Potential customer, that's today's phrase boys and girls, and I see a contest for a game beta account. Now the game intrigues me I apply to the contest and low and behold I win. As a potential customer, I'm going to be evaluating that game, and how that company interacts with me. Now as an individual I'm just one gamer, I'm a $40 up front fee and a $14 revolving fee to them, which in small scheme is nothing. however I'm a walking advertisement. Did you know that people with bad experiences are much more prone to speak about those experiences then people with good experiences? And depending on the degree of bad experience they will often times say something where normally they wouldn't.
Now let's expand this theory of walking billboards called gammers. Let's I'm playing a mmo. Well chances are I'm playing with a group of people. Some might call this a 'virtual community'. Now on this virutal community discussions often break out, and being a community of gammers, that discussion often flies to a shared interest, gues what that is. Well, beer and woman yes, but aside from that it'd be games.
now take that walking billboard with a bad expereince. Was promised a beta account because he won a contest. now it isn't a testing account to him as much is it is a what? anyone...anyone...bueller...anyone? A reward for a won contest.
Now winning and award but not providing it is an empty promise. And them coming on over the past few weeks saying that the time will come we are having problem but eventually you'll get it is like telling a bill collecetor the check is in the mail. I'm sure it will come, and I'm sure the intent is to provide it. however the image it protreys while in waiting is an image of a company that really doesn't know when to do something, or how to provide a promise in a timeframe that reflects the upfront commitment.
You guys just don't get it do you? We all understand it's beta, but thanks for restating it.
So i'll restate for you what's happening. Redbedlam ran a contest. The contest was for one-hundred and eighty beta slots for their upcoming game, Roma Victor. This contest earned Roma Victor a lot more attention from the MMO community, and their very own forum on this site. Redbedlam received all of this press and attention based on a lie. There has been GoCat testing between the end of the contest and now. The winners were not invited to these testings, because they didn't win a beta slot as advertised. They won (if they DO ever get in before release) a preview of the game before release. Beta entails dealing with bugs and problems with the game, and they don't think the winners can handle it. They advertised a contest for beta slots. They didn't intend to follow through, or changed their mind half way through. Redbedlam is not an honest company. It's great how they have a connection to the community like no other company out there, but it would be better if they were honest too.
I was raised to do what you say, or just don't say it at all. I hope this reaches some of the fanboys.
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All you friggin suburban white kid wannabe poobutts that are in love with G-Unit are sad and pathetic. Find your own identity
How do you know? You got a friend on the inside? You got a magic ball telling you we'll be in only 2 weeks prior to launch? From what Kannoth said earlier, the ESTIMATE RELEASE DATE is fall 05. Key word here is ESTIMATE. You're going to tell me that an ESTIMATE is something near those dates? WoW was ESTIMATED to be released by November 2003 (watch the preview on the WC3 CD), and from what i remember, i was playing the retail in november 2004, NOT 2003. Until you get your invite mail, you CAN'T say that RB is a dishonest company. We were promised beta spot, true we don't have them right now due to some technical problems, but the ETA can easily be postponed later in the year and we will have plenty of time to test the game.
What you're doing here is speculation AND diffamation. You should be careful about such allegations, RB can now sue you whenever they want for atempting to their reputation.
Like Kannoth said in a post, Conspiracy Theorist rules! and YES, it applies to you.
If this was a perfect world, you'd be correct.
Ever tell someone you were going to come over to their house? Ever have something come up that causes you to change those plans? Do your friends call you dishonest and negligent for not anticipating that your grandmother would suddenly get ill, or <insert problem here>? Course not.
This isnt the control group guys, this is real life. Sometimes it throws you a curve ball, and we were caught swingin.
Hope to see you guys in game.
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
But are you anti-winners hypocrits?
You guys who have spoken out so soundly about this corrupt, negative beta contest, if you won one of the 180 spots, have you sent an email to Redbedlam saying you are removing yourself from the beta and forfeiting your beta slot?
Have you?
Oh, oh wait. Double standards. But I won. But, but it's- it's a sham, they're an evil, fake company.. but I.. I might just hang onto this beta slot...
Wtfever. If you're going to talk that talk, let us know when there are more beta slots coming up because you've sent a letter of 'resignation' from the beta. Coz I know a few people who would love to get one of those spots.
If you haven't got the balls to go through with that, well shut the **** up and deal.
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
Who said you won't reveive it? I never saw a date in the contest, only afterwards, when they said we would receive another e-mail within 48 hours. I give you that, they do have a different view on 48 hours, but still, they never said you won't get your account.
Doesn't it say on RV's website there won't be any annual fees? I might be mistaken, but i think it says they want to run on a donation model.
Advertisement? With a NDA on your back? This must be the new kind of adds people are so much talking about. Even if you were a walking advetisement, 180 winners, on a 250K members website, when the MMO community revolves around 10M gamers, yep.. very big publicity stunt.
You can't say they did not provide the award, not yet. And whinning about a company not GIVING YOU something for FREE in a "reasonable" timeframe does not make you look cool at all, more like a cry baby. (this is not a flame directed at you, but to everyone yelling about not being in right now)
Let them try and sue me, I'd like to see it. I'm sure I could enjoy the counter suit. Anyway back on topic. Lets get some things straight. There are those of us who are techies, geeks, and professional ones at that. I make a living in all things IT related. IT stands for information technology, that's the buzz word for computer stuff. Now those of use with this profession know from experence what a company says, is just that what they say. in the end its always show me. Saying you can do something is not doing something, and entitles you to little or no respect.
In the end, they stated it was a beta slot contest. And even if it was a technical fubar that caused the accounts to be postponed, that's not better. In fact that's much worse. I'd rather have it stated that they were dishonest in their original statements rather then incompitent. And in the end in the IT world, not delivering means just that, that you cannot deliver. They should have had the tech factor done and squared away long before they even thought about handing out 100plus accounts as a contest. The fact they don't means they don't have the ability. Now if it were one day, ok I can see a delay. A week, sure it happens. But we are talking multiple weeks with still a "in the near future, it will come." That's not being able to meet the technology demands that that are required of there previous contest statments. That's what we call, inept in the biz.
I'm not saying the won't deliver.
I'm not saying they cannot deliver given enough time.
I'm not saying that they aren't communicating, they are communicating, although with large corporate speach and vaguness.
I AM saying that they've already missed the mark. For those fanboys and the kids out there it doesn't mean anything, still looks like a great game. But for those of us in adultland that work for our money, and have experience in various interactions of this type it has already made a bad impression and from here they are gonna play catch up.
"we don't have them right now due to some technical problems"
technical problems, BS. That's what the beta is for, technical problems. What a previously posted were not allegations, it's the truth staring right at you in the face. You fail to grasp the PRINCIPLE of the matter. This is not some rant because i'm afraid the game will release before I get a chance to test... Shameless hype stunts shouldn't just be ignored. do you get it? Sue me? Hah! I didn't set up a hoax contest, they did! This isn't China, this is the internet, and i do have the right to point out facts, no matter how evident (though some refuse to acknowledge.) I feel like i'm arguing politics. there's no point.
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All you friggin suburban white kid wannabe poobutts that are in love with G-Unit are sad and pathetic. Find your own identity
To the statement about "there being GOCaT testing between then and now," I'd like to point out that you are right. On the other hand, there is one thing you didn't mention, perhaps because you didn't think of it:
So, they've been waiting to get in for just as long as the people who applied for the testing phase via the offical method and were accepted? I suppose those people would be just as annoyed, but I don't seem to have heard any word about them having this problem. And, there's one other quote I wanted to respond to:
"Now as an individual I'm just one gamer, I'm a $40 up front fee and a $14 revolving fee to them..."
As an individual, that's all you can be until you start participating in the community, which you can do before being allowed in the game. By the sounds of it, if you guys put this behind you when you finally get in, they'll probably appreciate your helpfulness
Of course, I don't quite agree with the revolving fee part, but then I don't plan on paying beyond the inital fee.
So you're saying that a BETA product SHOULDN'T have any kind of problems? Let me know if you are free sometimes, i'd like to offer you a job as a dev on a very large and revolutionary MMO i plan to publish. With you on the team, i'm sure it won't take me more than 6 months to have it delivered.
Last time i checked, i am part this "adultland" you call. I'm 27, got a 4 years old kid, been with my wife for 6 years now, and i pay ALL of my taxes. Let me know if i don't qualify as an adult please. I had a company that was mainly Windows Troubleshooting at home, i am not the IT pro that you are but i do know about computers and what's related to their operation, yes that includes bugs. I droped the company to become a real estate agent, much more money to be made there and less "repetitive" problems. Now, you say they missed the mark and they'll play "catch up" from now on? Well, that's YOUR opinion, from my point of view I understand there's been a problem somewhere and that they don't have all the human resources like Blizzard to work on that project. So no, they won't be playing catch up with me.
As far as me being considered a fanboy, well, i didn't sign up because it's Roma Victor, i signed up because i love doing some testing on games. I didn't even know about RV 4 months ago. But one thing that impress me, is the fact that Kannoth AND KFR are coming here, to let us know what's really going on and not just ditch us with some "We have problems, can't tell about it but you'll be in soon" a la Blizzard (wich basicaly takes every customers they have for 12 years old kids)
NDA's are eventually lifted. And the experience of beta testers plays HEAVILY into a game's success. Always has, always will, word of mouth reigns surpreme in adverising.
doesn't matter anyway, I refuse to debate this more. I was merely trying to point out to the fanboys that'd been flaming people raising valid concerns.
And the IT world, sure problems arise. But they are mostly required to be handled in a timely manor with a great deal of haste. Like I said, if I were to go to a client with this I wouldn't have a client. It's just something that should be taken to heart, and the message wasn't for the fanboys, it was more for RB.
Doesn't it say on RV's website there won't be any annual fees? I might be mistaken, but i think it says they want to run on a donation model.
They do however have the plan to have people pay/donate/whatever you wanna call it, for in-game money. Of course, many will probably take them up on this offer, either to help support them, or to, as some suggest, "Keep up with the Joneses."
Advertisement? With a NDA on your back? This must be the new kind of adds people are so much talking about. Even if you were a walking advetisement, 180 winners, on a 250K members website, when the MMO community revolves around 10M gamers, yep.. very big publicity stunt.
They let 180 people in, but was that the number of people who saw the contest and got interested in the game because of the contest? By the looks of it, there were more people. Heck, because of the amount of publicity it recieved, forum members here got their own forum for RV...hey, look, we're posting in it!
I feel like i'm arguing politics. there's no point.
I bet everyone feels like that by now
If the game is good and the company is listening to it's testers, you won't remember that you got your beta acceptance e-mail a little later than originaly told. If you didn't like the game, that's another story. But for now, saying that RB will suffer a lot from this situation is purely speculations.
Ah come one, we're having an adult and civilized debate here, don't tell me it's not fun? I know i like it. And as for the flaming, you are right, flaming and calling people names or such things is not a good thing and has no place here. Just to make sure (i don't want to re-read everything i wrote), nothing in my posts should be interpreted as flames, unless otherwise stated.
And how many of them only clicked on the contest link to have a chance on a beta spot without even knowing about the game? I know i did, and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one.
You have to admit that there are a lot of people here only interested in beta testing games, whatever the company dev'ing/publishing it.