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EA is voted Worst Company in America, Now What?

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by red_cruiser

    I know EA sucked, but beating out Bank of America, Monsanto, Wal-Mart and Exxon-Mobil is something else.

     

    This is what i thought a well.

    Gamers need to get some perspective and look beyond their emotional wailing at their PC once in a while.

    Makes me sad for America tbh... is the world of the modern internet user so damned limited?

  • Rider071Rider071 Member Posts: 318

    Wow, not one mention of how they gutted and abused and made the example of DAoC as the standard for all companies to follow.

    But I digress, for those wondering how EA won? look at the brackets close. I'm actually amazed BoA made it where it had over Chase and Wells Fargo, BoA CS is far superior to theirs (though yes their non-CS deeds are horribad).

    EA on the other hand, there is no comparison to their CS, it's the worst in the world, and they won their title fair and square because of it. Nothing quite like calling an apathetic online gambling site to funnel your CS issues. 

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527

    Originally posted by spookydom

    I laughed long and hard at this, then I cried that one of the most powerful voices on the planet belong to self entitled little spoilt shits, then I laughed again. Then I started thinking. What, instead of beeing such dick asses? What if gamers used all their powers for good? Just imgaine it!  What could they acomplish? Am I dreamer?........Maybe guys, maybe. Am I an idiot?....More than likely. :D

    Well so far gamers have proven if wanted bad enough they can fully fund a game project thru Kickstarter, imagine if they could donate towards building a spaceship to travel to the most habitable planet for humans.....I would definitely chip in for that if I got to go....


  • fenistilfenistil Member Posts: 3,005

    Originally posted by Vesavius

    Originally posted by red_cruiser

    I know EA sucked, but beating out Bank of America, Monsanto, Wal-Mart and Exxon-Mobil is something else.

     

    This is what i thought a well.

    Gamers need to get some perspective and look beyond their emotional wailing at their PC once in a while.

    Makes me sad for America tbh... is the world of the modern internet user so damned limited?

    It is called stupidity and making decision based only on emotions instead of using brain.

     

    Funny thing is that those who voted propably feel good about doing "something against bad EA" , while folks at EA sit and laugh counting dollars , cause they don't care if conumers mitigate their bad emotions in a pool as long as people still spend money on their product.

     

    Of course gamer will bitch & moan and vote in sillty pool and then go buy Fifa, Mass Effect , Battlefield , Swtor ,etc - cause NOT buying a product cause you don't agree with corporation policy is much 'harder' than clicking vote in silly pool 

     

    lol , silly people

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641

    Originally posted by troublmaker

    Originally posted by Greymoor

    What games did EA ruin?

    It's not that they ruined any game.  It is their business practices being bad for the consumer.

    They have highlighted two major aspects of EA business practices that make them bad.  The first is nickle and diming the consumer with Day 1 DLC making people pay a few dollars here and there for stuff which in sum total is going to cost over $100.  They see EA as being the pioneer and the main violator of this nickle and dime DLC strategy.

    Games cost a awful lot more to develop and promote these days and the price in the UK is still only £40 and even less online. When I started PC gaming in the late 90's it was £30, so a decade has passed with a 25% increase but probably 10 fold increase in costs to make.

    A friend of mine recently complained that Star Wars Kinect costs $200 when you count in the cost of the Kinect.  I kind of laughed at this because most games cost $200 when you add in all of the DLC.  League of Legends is something like $450 for all microtransactions.

    Choice to the player and also LoL has ongoing costs

    Maps used to be something that was free.  Starcraft 2 to this day still makes and distributes free maps.  They even support free map development.  EA makes you pay for every single map in Battlefield 3.

    The Sims is pretty terrible as you spend a fortune on all of their "expansion packs" and DLC elements.

    The paying customers have a choice buy or not buy no-ones holding a gun at their heads

    Wrath of Heroes will cost players about $30 per hero.  That is steep.  Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun will cost about $20 per deployment.

    A second argument is made that since EA has an exlucisivity agreement with many sports corporations (FIFA and NFL) they are creating the exact same game every single year with very little innovation and pushing it out and selling it to all of the fans.  Because there is no competition for them they are allowed to push out the same stale games over and over and over.

    Blame the Sporting bodies it is their license praticies. In the UK the Premiership football was dominated by BSKYB satelite TV until the government intervined and told bosses at the Premiership to open the bidding to all comers and not sign up to one company, so now ESPN UK has the football on its channels. Also when I played Football games I played PES as I thought is was better than FIFA so there is an alternative.

    On this similar note they are accused of attempting to take out the competition.  If a studio is getting too big and too powerful they will buy it out or purchase a similar studio and fill it full of money to develop something huge to get rid of the competition.

    If a company is bought by a bigger company thats not the fault of the bigger company its good business and has happened for centuries and its not as if EA has no competition in Activision, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Capcom, Nintendo, Sega etc... and they all do the same thing.

    When Blizzard was getting big because of Warcraft they bought out Redwood Studios (makers of Command and Conquer)

    Again astute business sense, and its Westwood Studio's and it had merged with Virgin Interactive in '92 so it was already own by a major coporation. So I don't see your point here.

     

    When Bethesda was getting big because of their RPGs they bought out Bioware.

    Again astute business sense and you are going love this.... when Bioware merged with Pandemic they were funded by a private Equity firm called Elevation Partners and one of the founders of Elevation Partners was none other tha current EA CEO John Riccitiello. So now you understand how EA purchased Bioware. And Bioware were as big as Bethesda.

    When social games starting taking over they bought out Popcap Games

    Good business

    When Simulators became huge they bought out Bullfrog Productions (makers of Theme Hospital) and Maxis (makers of Sim City)

    Good Business

    They bought out DICE when shooter became huge to try and knock Activision out of the game.

    Good Business nad now BF3 is selling as many games as CoD with great reviews across the board.

    They bught out the Virgin Group after Ubisoft was having massive successes in child themed console games.  For the same reason why bought out Pandemic Studios.  Pandemic of course was making Activision titles until this point.

    Source? Pandemic merged with Bioware in 2005 funded by Elevation Partners.

    And most of these studios don't exist anymore.  Maxis is a brand now, it is not a studio.  In fact out of all of these the only studios that are really still around are Popcap Games and Bioware.

    Are EA as damaging to America as most of the companies on this list?  No, they do not have that kind of influence.  Are their business practices some of the worst for consumers?  Definitely.

    Don't be ridiculous.

    If banks took the same approaches that EA does the country would fall apart instantly.

    Banks have done exactly the same for centuries.

    Rebuttals in Orange.

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.

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  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359

    Originally posted by Calerxes

    Originally posted by troublmaker


    Originally posted by Greymoor

    W....

     

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.

    It really shouldn't be surprising that EA won...

    People vote for personal reasons.  Even if someone knows that BoA royally f$%ked some other guys, they will probably vote for the company that just minorly f^$ked them personally.

    And let's face it, that's exactly what it is.  Most people have not been royally f$@ked by BoA...but many people have been minorly f%@ked by EA.  So it should be no surprise that they won.

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  • fenistilfenistil Member Posts: 3,005

    Originally posted by Calerxes

     

     

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.

    Gamers dont care if EA went from small firm to huge company or if they would stay small or develop into medium sized ,etc

    Gamers and GAMERS and they don't give a damn about investment returns , sales ,etc  and that's just normal.

    Why should they?

    Investors and managment or eventually EA workers should think about stuff like that not consumers. Consumers should think about THEIR OWN well being not about corporation well being.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,629

    Not even remotely shocking, I could had predicted that after the 200 million dollar flop of a title.

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  • SlampigSlampig Member UncommonPosts: 2,342

    Originally posted by Thomas2006

     




    Originally posted by Greymoor

    What games did EA ruin?




     

    Do we really need to name them all? You can start with Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and then we can start listing off all the failed MMO's they started and killed in record time. Earth and Beyond, The Sims Online, Motor City Online, ect.

    What is the etc? You only listed 5 games, EA has been around for many moons...

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Slampig

    Originally posted by Thomas2006

     




    Originally posted by Greymoor

    What games did EA ruin?





     

    Do we really need to name them all? You can start with Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and then we can start listing off all the failed MMO's they started and killed in record time. Earth and Beyond, The Sims Online, Motor City Online, ect.

    What is the etc? You only listed 5 games, EA has been around for many moons...

     

    I still haven't forgiven them for Bullfrog...

    But that aside? Worst company in America? Someone who just makes and sells games? Some folks need to use the internet for more then games and pron IMO.

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641

    Originally posted by fenistil

    Originally posted by Calerxes


     

     

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.

    Gamers dont care if EA went from small firm to huge company or if they would stay small or develop into medium sized ,etc

    Gamers and GAMERS and they don't give a damn about investment returns , sales ,etc  and that's just normal.

    Why should they?

    Investors and managment or eventually EA workers should think about stuff like that not consumers. Consumers should think about THEIR OWN well being not about corporation well being.

     

    Though if you read all my rebuttals in that post they all stand so if you are going to criticise a company business pratices get your facts right. Life is full of disappointments with the life and death process but that is progression gamers should just get used to it and stop bleating "you broke my favorite toy".

     

     

    Also companies sell out for various reasons my company has just been bought out at first we were really pissed off bt then it energed the boss had been wanting to sell out for a couple of years for personal issues but could not find the right buyers.

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  • RaysheRayshe Member UncommonPosts: 1,279

    Im Neutral in the whole EA hate thing. i have plenty of games from EA that i love, but a gaming company taking this title just screams Fanboyism. Wal Mart destroies lives, but EA is worse. Tim Hortans uses slaves to pick their Beans but EA is worse. Multiple clothing companies use sweat shops to get their products out. however EA is worse because they made you unhappy. seriously people who voted for EA need some bloody perspective.

    I'm going so far as to say anyone who voted for EA is imature and childish. Because your showing that Issues don't matter nearly as much as your entertainment.  

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  • HurvartHurvart Member Posts: 565

    Originally posted by Calerxes

    Originally posted by troublmaker


    Originally posted by Greymoor

    What games did EA ruin?

    It's not that they ruined any game.  It is their business practices being bad for the consumer.

    They have highlighted two major aspects of EA business practices that make them bad.  The first is nickle and diming the consumer with Day 1 DLC making people pay a few dollars here and there for stuff which in sum total is going to cost over $100.  They see EA as being the pioneer and the main violator of this nickle and dime DLC strategy.

    Games cost a awful lot more to develop and promote these days and the price in the UK is still only £40 and even less online. When I started PC gaming in the late 90's it was £30, so a decade has passed with a 25% increase but probably 10 fold increase in costs to make.

    A friend of mine recently complained that Star Wars Kinect costs $200 when you count in the cost of the Kinect.  I kind of laughed at this because most games cost $200 when you add in all of the DLC.  League of Legends is something like $450 for all microtransactions.

    Choice to the player and also LoL has ongoing costs

    Maps used to be something that was free.  Starcraft 2 to this day still makes and distributes free maps.  They even support free map development.  EA makes you pay for every single map in Battlefield 3.

    The Sims is pretty terrible as you spend a fortune on all of their "expansion packs" and DLC elements.

    The paying customers have a choice buy or not buy no-ones holding a gun at their heads

    Wrath of Heroes will cost players about $30 per hero.  That is steep.  Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun will cost about $20 per deployment.

    A second argument is made that since EA has an exlucisivity agreement with many sports corporations (FIFA and NFL) they are creating the exact same game every single year with very little innovation and pushing it out and selling it to all of the fans.  Because there is no competition for them they are allowed to push out the same stale games over and over and over.

    Blame the Sporting bodies it is their license praticies. In the UK the Premiership football was dominated by BSKYB satelite TV until the government intervined and told bosses at the Premiership to open the bidding to all comers and not sign up to one company, so now ESPN UK has the football on its channels. Also when I played Football games I played PES as I thought is was better than FIFA so there is an alternative.

    On this similar note they are accused of attempting to take out the competition.  If a studio is getting too big and too powerful they will buy it out or purchase a similar studio and fill it full of money to develop something huge to get rid of the competition.

    If a company is bought by a bigger company thats not the fault of the bigger company its good business and has happened for centuries and its not as if EA has no competition in Activision, Sqaure Enix, Ubisoft, Capcom, Nintendo, Sega etc... and they all do the same thing.

    When Blizzard was getting big because of Warcraft they bought out Redwood Studios (makers of Command and Conquer)

    Again astute business sense, and its Westwood Studio's and it had merged with Virgin Interactive in '92 so it was already own by a major coporation. So I don't see your point here.

     

    When Bethesda was getting big because of their RPGs they bought out Bioware.

    Again astute business sense and you are going love this.... when Bioware merged with Pandemic they were funded by a private Equity firm called Elevation Partners and one of the founders of Elevation Partners was none other tha current EA CEO John Riccitiello. So now you understand how EA purchased Bioware.

    When social games starting taking over they bought out Popcap Games

    Good business

    When Simulators became huge they bought out Bullfrog Productions (makers of Theme Hospital) and Maxis (makers of Sim City)

    Good Business

    They bought out DICE when shooter became huge to try and knock Activision out of the game.

    Good Business

    They bught out the Virgin Group after Ubisoft was having massive successes in child themed console games.  For the same reason why bought out Pandemic Studios.  Pandemic of course was making Activision titles until this point.

    Source? Pandemic merged with Bioware in 2005 funded by Elevation Partners.

    And most of these studios don't exist anymore.  Maxis is a brand now, it is not a studio.  In fact out of all of these the only studios that are really still around are Popcap Games and Bioware.

    Are EA as damaging to America as most of the companies on this list?  No, they do not have that kind of influence.  Are their business practices some of the worst for consumers?  Definitely.

    Don't be ridiculous.

    If banks took the same approaches that EA does the country would fall apart instantly.

    Banks have done exactly the same for centuries.

     

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.



    I think there is a moral problem if company A buys smaller company B only to destroy it. Typically in that case they have no intention to continue to sell company B:s products or use its ideas. Even if they are better products and ideas. Probably because company A already invested a lot of money into its own products/ideas. And it makes more sense to just kill company B.... Of course some customers will recognize what is going on and get upset because they can no longer buy company B:s products and the plans that company B had will never happen...

    I mean if you are a consumer and prefered company B:s products this is all bad. And it is perfectly normal if you dont like company A anymore.

    Unless you own company A there is no reason to think its good.

  • Darth_OsorDarth_Osor Member Posts: 1,089

    Originally posted by achesoma

    So all these corporations that have far more damaging effects on the world and EA gets voted the worst.  Mind is blown.  I understand people are upset or disappointed about a few video games but it's kind of ridiculous.  My fellow Americans really need to get their priorities straight. 

    Seriously...first world problems.  They "ruin" a couple video games and they're the worst company in America?!?  Give me a mother frickin break.  I don't remember EA stealing billions worth of investors' money or building houses on toxic waste sites.  The dumbing down of America continues.

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641

    Originally posted by Hurvart

    Originally posted by Calerxes


    Originally posted by troublmaker


    Originally posted by Greymoor

    What games did EA ruin?

    SNIP!

     

    How is any of this bad? It took EA from a small American publisher ie Electronic Arts to a global corporation and thats has never happened before has it? Gamers and their ridiculous petty grievances because someone took away their precious toys.



    I think there is a moral problem if company A buys smaller company B only to destroy it. Typically in that case they have no intention to continue to sell company B:s products or use its ideas. Even if they are better products and ideas. Probably because company A already invested a lot of money into its own products/ideas. And it makes more sense to just kill company B.... Of course some customers will recognize what is going on and get upset because they can no longer buy company B:s products and the plans that company B had will never happen...

    I mean if you are a consumer and prefered company B:s products this is all bad. And it is perfectly normal if you dont like company A anymore.

    Unless you own company A there is no reason to think its good.

     

    Morality is a personal thing and we do not know why certain game IP's disappear it could just be natural entrophy in that that IP has had its day. I always like this saying "no company leaves money on the table" so it something is worth keeping they'll do it its that simple.

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641

    Originally posted by Darth_Osor

    Originally posted by achesoma

    So all these corporations that have far more damaging effects on the world and EA gets voted the worst.  Mind is blown.  I understand people are upset or disappointed about a few video games but it's kind of ridiculous.  My fellow Americans really need to get their priorities straight. 

    Seriously...first world problems.  They "ruin" a couple video games and they're the worst company in America?!?  Give me a mother frickin break.  I don't remember EA stealing billions worth of investors' money or building houses on toxic waste sites.  The dumbing down of America continues.

     

    I think its part of the first world living comfortable lives but not realising it, so petty problems are blown out of all proportion. A few weeks working in Rwanda, Sierra Leone or Central America might cure that.

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  • LoekiiLoekii Member Posts: 430

    Originally posted by Darth_Osor

    Originally posted by achesoma

    So all these corporations that have far more damaging effects on the world and EA gets voted the worst.  Mind is blown.  I understand people are upset or disappointed about a few video games but it's kind of ridiculous.  My fellow Americans really need to get their priorities straight. 

    Seriously...first world problems.  They "ruin" a couple video games and they're the worst company in America?!?  Give me a mother frickin break.  I don't remember EA stealing billions worth of investors' money or building houses on toxic waste sites.  The dumbing down of America continues.

    Odds are it is just an indication of different contexts than what you are thinking.

     

    I doubt respondants were seriously considering EA as the 'worst' in every sense of the word, but rather more along the lines of 'the worst' in terms of customer satisfction, or perhaps 'worst' in their own personal experience -- which would remove far more corrupt and 'evil' companies from their consideration.

     

    Imo, it seems pretty clear that  you and achesoma thinking of in an entirely different scope (all companies and their moral misdeeds) than the respondants that voted for EA (likely considering companies customer satisfaction and/or limited first hand experience).  

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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319

    I find it pretty hillarious becuase it shows that the voters can't see past their own noses if they think a entertaiment company is the worst company in the country.

     

     

    Like Pony says: First-world problems.

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • RaysheRayshe Member UncommonPosts: 1,279

    This is the flaw of using popular vote. but at the same time, Popular vote is what they will want. People don't want to know about the Ethrical and Moral destruction other companies do. instead they wish to get angry when they buy a product and its not to their satisfaction.

    These children to voted on this make me sick.

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  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,402

    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I find it pretty hillarious becuase it shows that the voters can't see past their own noses if they think a entertaiment company is the worst company in the country.

     

     

    Like Pony says: First-world problems.

    http://consumerist.com/wcia_bracket_2012_round5.png

     

    Look at the companies on that list. There is a reason why you dont see monsantos and haliburton on there.

     

    And first world nations have first world problems. Id love to gripe about starvation in darfur and rape in africa, but i honestly wont even pretend to care. Neither will you, neither will 90% of the population.  Its easy to act superior on a forum though.

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  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards Member Posts: 778

    Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I find it pretty hillarious becuase it shows that the voters can't see past their own noses if they think a entertaiment company is the worst company in the country.

     

     

    Like Pony says: First-world problems.

    http://consumerist.com/wcia_bracket_2012_round5.png

     

    Look at the companies on that list. There is a reason why you dont see monsantos and haliburton on there.

     

    And first world nations have first world problems. Id love to gripe about starvation in darfur and rape in africa, but i honestly wont even pretend to care. Neither will you, neither will 90% of the population.  Its easy to act superior on a forum though.

    He has a point though. other day people were complaining that there country isn't woth living because they have slower internet. maybe they should move to countries like India and pakistan and they would thank God million times that the only thing they have to complain about is slow internet.

    Problem is people never stop for a moment and think that how lucky they are for everything they have right now.

  • dronfwardronfwar Member Posts: 316

    Yea, you would send the right message to a company who supports slave labor or poisining of water, if you give them 'The Golden Poo Award'. You fail to understand that this award is a joke and it is well deserved by EA.

    The website is called consumerist and Mosanto isn't represented because they are only in contact with producers. A company like Mosanto doesn't care about their public image because they don't have one. It wouldn't be funny at all and disrepectful for people suffered serious damage.

    EA is a pioneer. Riccitiello should put that thing into a nice frame and hang it into his office. An achievement. Next year is an election year too so go there before you complain.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    I guess that either they're ignoring the consequences of a company's moral choices, or they have extremely bad priorities for judgement.

    You can choose whether or not to buy a company's games.  There are few markets that justify being ruled by the dollar with as little regulation as possible than the gaming market.  It should always be less about morality and more about good business, though those two things are often one and the same.  Games are an optional commodity, and there are plenty of other companies to get that commodity from.

    To beat out Bank of America, whose actions have left folks homeless and helped destroy our economy over the past 5 years all while their execs walked away with golden parachutes and NO fear of legal trouble...

    EA is bad, but "worst company"?  Only to folks with poor priorities.

     

  • BoatsmateBoatsmate Member Posts: 208

    Well,it goes without saying that issues like hunger,slavery, and destroying the world with pollution aren't even in the same league as ,"EA ruined my games", and if you compare, it makes responders look petty. But understand that this is a Gaming site, not Facebook or a Cnn blog. People just automatically realate news to games, as they should. They are on topic. I doubt on a msn blog about tainted food that someone complains about the pvp in SWTOR. Well...again...they might. Imagine Whirled Peas.

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  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards Member Posts: 778

    Originally posted by Boatsmate

    Well,it goes without saying that issues like hunger,slavery, and destroying the world with pollution aren't even in the same league as ,"EA ruined my games", and if you compare, it makes responders look petty. But understand that this is a Gaming site, not Facebook or a Cnn blog. People just automatically realate news to games, as they should. They are on topic. I doubt on a msn blog about tainted food that someone complains about the pvp in SWTOR. Well...again...they might. Imagine Whirled Peas.

    I know its a gaming forum and for gamers it might be a big deal but that still doesn't stop people from pondering how 'petty' all this really is.

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